Pardon me if i class it as races basis because i cant use names for his/her contribution hence by races.

Feel free to post abt contributions OF ANY ASPECTS from the majority races; the malays or indians and OTHERS too. so, tht we actually know tht in fact, all races under the one roof our beloved Malaysia has actually did good for the country developments regardlesss of race and religion so tht we can RESPECT and APPRECIATE the efforts between races.

im very sure tht without harmony, & understanding, even with the best effort from only one race will NOT in anyway expect to propel Malaysia forward since the world has bring unevitable waves of chg tht no one can actually deny tis and the only choice we hv is to respect one anothers' strength and not mock it, one way or another, there wont really be only ONE race tht will eventually OWNS msia. So dont dream it or even fight for it.

Its ur choice to live happily together, and acknowledges any races tht we're indeed all Msian after for so many decade working hard for our homecountry no matter sometimes our parents nvr really recognised us still, there's only one home if u ask me. OR, fight among ourselves while the REAL INVADERS are already planning an insidious conquest to our country and eventually, defeat ALL races in Msia and Msia probly will be lost whether U like it or not. Leave ur utopian world ,slap urself and come back to the real harsh REALITY.

While within the country itself, the real culprits r CRONISM , DRAFTS, and Govt staffs tht are not doin the job in treating us taxpayers wht we deserve WHETHER OR NOT we r chinese malays or indians. beacuse only tht will make ur live better, eg fair fuel rate, fair distribution of resources eg no AP, good governance,

My bottomline is Be smart in identifying tht ur natural enemy is NOT BETWEEN THE RACE. Between races, there's r no one whos actually wanto rob other races (-.-) because we r all msians. The REAL HAPPINESS is we get a good n transparent govvt and effective .efficient treatment and system from the govt staff because THT IS THE REAL GOOD LIVING and again, NOT BECAUSE THERES SUCH THG AS A BETTER RACE. uNLESS all u want is to live in fear when ur neighbour will kill u or torch ur hse?! like the 13 MAy and the forever tragic Indoensian riots or thailand massacre. I don think ANY races wld want death n killings as lessons to our next generation. Do u?

SO, if u REALLY USE UR HEAD instead of ur emotions and ur FU-KED-UP egos (generally as a whole), appreciate other races efforts and contributions and not live in denial. Even religion wont save u if the WESTERNERS tramp on our country. Disunity will only break out further than already wht is weak, u asholes (intended for those who thinks ths way). If u think religions will save u, fanatics like the Al Qaede,then myb uve made ur choice, tht is to hv deaths everyday whether ur sons or ur neighbous' sons or ur enemys sons because one day when someone die, they mayb the one u loves, regardless of inter-racial, is tht it ?!


PLS DO NOT TREAT THIS AS A FLAMING TOPIC AND LIMIT URSELF TO DISCUSS ONLY THE TOPIC ABOVE THANK YOU

yeah. enough already of topics on criticising and condemning other races weaknesses/traits. here we should appreciate others' strength instead

however. i cant think of any now . maybe after my exams

and can u include the race : "others", cos there are other races in m'sia besides chinese, malays and indians

Good luck for your exams

i never criticised on other races cos i never faced problems with others...and anyway...this is a good try in cooling down some of the forumers here in malaysian serious chat...cos they seriously need to give a big break to their blood pumping heart...or u guys might end up dying at early age for not being able to manage your anger

there's difference between "race" and ethnicity too. I often got confused with these words. race means a group of people related by genetics only, while ethnicity define a group of people based on racial or cultural ties. IMO we are talking about ethnicities here, because the Malays that we know today are not genetically homogenous.

just my 2 cents.

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^This is not amusing. U are making an idiot of urself.
BTW, Iron Malaysia has not been here for a while, i are just wasting ur time and my bandwidth.

I don't completely agree with ironmalay2 but I guess, I understand his frustration at Iron Malayan's views which most partiotic Chinese/Indians would find hghly insulting.

What I notice, Chinese in Malaysia keep bragging how they own retail sector in Malaysia and keep bragging how they controlling this small business enterpreneurship and thinking they own Malaysia economic.

What they failed to realize, Malays who rule Malaysia will just easily change the table in 1 night. By inviting international retailer sector such as carefoure, wal-mart, ikea etc on bord to Malaysia, this chinese who own the mom and pop store need to change their business to chinese restaurant or chinese antique store.

Most Malaysians weather Chinese Malay or Indian are patriotic and contribute something to the economy, from the person who cleans the public toilets to the PM himself. Sure being rich will give you a certain status and personal satisfaction but for a country to grow you also need people doing the menial jobs to do the job properly. So if you're talking about Malaysia being a successfull country, its because of the contribution of all its citizens weather Chinese, Malay Indian etc.
And Nusantara, you always claim that Malaysia is only successful because of the Malays, you can't then complain that other people brag that Chinese control the private sector. If you wish to preach, you first need to stop doing it yourself.
BTW Ikea did come to Malaysia....... it failed. And there are already big international retailers in Malaysia.

thanks man


aiyo. tsk3. so fast already off-topic talk about the CONTRIBUTIONS lahhhhh. not the bad stuff.

sigh...this topic is supposed to be the one where all of us have all the likings to each other and let things be under control...but some people just have to spoil it

I don't think its easy to describe what each race has contributed to Malaysia mainly becasue to most people they are just Malaysians. In the past you could say that the Chinese helped the private sector, the Indians were tapping the rubber trees and the Malays were feeding the nation. Now though I feel there is less distinction between the races as in everybody's doing a little bit of everything and as time goes by I think this will become more apparent.
I watched Malaysia play badminton at the Commonwealth games, there was a loud crowd of Malaysians supporting them. They were made up of Chinese, Malay and Indian, and irrespective of the race of the player playing for Malaysia, they were all cheering just as loudly for everyone. I think most people are seeing themselves as Malaysians first and their race second, well I hope so anyway .

Ooops but just to add to the above, the thing that I find really fantastic about Malaysia, is the coming together of the cultures, the Chinese culture, Malay culture and Indian culture and how each group has embraced each culture and how their culture has changed because of it.

^ thats some wicked stuff swingdoctor

i also agree. it seems now i can sort of identify malaysian people when i see on the streets, whatever their race. even chinese and indians. im not sure what it is but theres just something by the way they/we look or walk or dress or whatever. like once i was walking around town in england, then i saw a couple of indian people, i just had a feeling they were malaysians, then when they came near and i heard them talking, indeed they sound like malaysian. chinese malaysians also can sort of identify too.

im sure each race/ethnicity in malaysia have contributed something to malaysia. one thing is that all have contributed to make malaysia more colourful, interesting, more open/tolerant, etc. also if we look beyond all the negative aspects of other races, for sure there is something positive we can learn from the others. just try to avoid the negative traits of the other races laa

Well, since i like sport so much esp. at Malaysia level, i've notice something about our sports here..

Normally, there are some sort of partition in every sports..

Football - Malay & Indian & Chinese.. (but chinese are too few)
Badminton - Malay & Chinese
Hockey - Indian & Malay & Chinese (too few chinese)
Takraw - Malay (there is an Indian that represent Malaysia currently.. he is the only one that is not Malay)
Basketball - Chinese ( infact, there are tournaments just for non-chinese)
Volleyball - Chinese & Malay
Snooker - Chinese (currently, for top 10 in Malaysia, there is only 1 Malay)
Lawn bowl - malay
Bowling - Malay & Chinese
Ping Pong - Chinese (Currently there is a Malay that represent Malaysia, the only non-chinese)
Golf - Indian & Chinese & Malay ( i can say it's kinda equal)
Wushu - Chinese (currently there is a Malay boy in the squad)
Tennis - Don't know
Rugby - Malay (and some chinese)
Athletic - I think it is well balance..
Swimming - Chinese (& a few malay)
Shooting - Malay
Billiard - Chinese
water polo - chinese


ahh, what else aa? well, what i'm saying here are all at National level.. but normally, i think all of these sports were played by all races in Malaysia..

Once, i've met one of the important person in Malaysia Snooker and Billiard Asso. , His name is J.C Leong. he said that he really disappointed because only chinese that really snooker.. The other races doesn't really believe that snooker can make money.. because snooker mostly played by chinese, so the palyer's pool isn't large.. he really hope that all races play snooker seriously so that he can a bigger pool of players..

Thanks, my concern though is that there are some national policies that were instituted awhile ago that discriminates against some sections of the community. I understand the reasons they were started in the first place and I understand(from being on this forum) that slowly, things have been changing to make things equal again. I am concerned though that if things don't eventually go back to being equal parity, the harmony in Malaysia could be disrupted. Already you can see dissatisfaction among some forumers. Just my opinion.

Melayu people build the country by joint federation of Melayu sultanates now it is called federation of Malaysia. The Malay build the country and defend it and now among the fastest growing country economically, wealthiness, self sufficient technological advance an so on and on.

What can you do?

yes. i also share your concern. these inequalities is gonna hinder all efforts to unite and harmonise malaysians. but i have faith that eventually everyone will be treated equally. it wont be easy i guess. compromise from all races is essential imo.



yes. but other races have also contributed a lot.

lol. nusantara, ur not msian arent u?

ya. he's indonesian i believe ..

WTF Nusantara is an extremist as to my notice. From where chinese bragging about this and that, if you feel you are not competance then be it. Why u always have to bring you negative thought to others, just like the Indonesian b4 the crisis? Malaysia is not rule by Malay, Chinese nor India dummy. It is rule by ALL UMNO + MCA + MIC + GERAKAN + SUPP etc

I think if we have more people think like u then there won't be a peace Malaysia. You are self-centre and keep thinking on one side!!!!



You sound like a childish moron, Orang asli is the origins, there was no Malaysia if there is not BN at that time, KMM had fail and ruled by the Japanese in less than 1 week using bicycle, u proud of that dumb@ss extremist

not bein rude but honestly, i think ur (nusantara) claims here r pretty baseless

Seriously all races in malaysia pay the tax but the bumis get the most advantage of it example scholarship...it gone wasted as well as mostly unemployed graduates are bumis

Those who deny the Malays de facto rule Malaysia are living in a dream world. The government makes a big show about including the MCA and MIC and all those other mosquito parties in it, but in reality, do you think the MCA or MIC or Gerakan would dare to bercanggah dengan UMNO about anything meaningful? The last time Lim Keng Yaik tried to talk about making all Malaysians (as opposed to just the Malays) feel like they have a stake in Malaysia, he got his balls kicked by the Malay press and UMNO Youth. (I'm just making a statement of fact, not opinion - I don't like a Malay Malaysia any more than most Malaysians would, but it's a fact that in practice, only UMNO has any real say in how the country is run.)

And then, of course, there's no real alternative to UMNO. A vote for Barisan Alternatif is a vote for more of the same, only with more emphasis on ketuanan Islam instead of ketuanan Melayu. A vote for the DAP is a vote for Chinese rule instead, despite all the lip service they pay towards representing all Malaysians. (An exception would be Lim Guan Eng going to jail over defending a Malay girl who was raped, but that's a minor instance, and in realpolitik, you can't have Chinese Malaysians representing Malay Malaysians.)

Lets make a new political party... normally, during elections, when people ask me which party do i support, i always say birthday party.. well its better than those political party.. but seriously, if i have the chance, i would love to have a new political party that doesn't base on race or religion..

sry for repeating my favortie crude joke

MCA Money Conquers All
UMNO U Must Not Object

So whenever there r meeting btw these two partier
MIC will ask Must I Come?

True state in msia? Msia, truly asia

not bein rude but honestly, i think ur (Jenx) claims here r pretty baseless

Well...when the government complains about unemployed graduates, aren't the ones highlighted in the newspapers almost always Malay/Bumi? You can't blame Jenx for perceiving that most unemployed graduates are Malay when the government: 1. either works hard to make it look that way; or 2. presents the truth, which may be that most unemployed graduates are Malays.

And I think it's a bit hard to deny that most government (e.g. JPA) scholarships do go to the Bumis, mostly. There are of course many non-Bumi JPA scholars, but the vast majority tend to be Malays. (And even then, often those non-Bumis who get the scholarships are those with connections, rather than those who actually need them.)

The most important question is not whether the government prioritises the Bumis or not in its policies (because practically speaking, this priority order won't change for quite a while), but whether or not the Bumis are actually improving themselves through these benefits. They cannot just makan suap forever...the problem really is that many non-Bumis think that that is all the Bumis do. You can't exactly blame them for this when you consider that the Malays (or UMNO, which claims to speak for the Malays, at least) are still asking for more. It indicates that the past programmes haven't exactly worked.

i think why the nonbumis usually they not only survived but managed to survived with tremendous improvement in themselves. ppl strive in difficulties. in chinese language, the character Trouble has the word Opportunity in it. it cld well probly reflect how the chinese r flexible n manage to always find loopholes in many thgs n seek ways to profit it or becomes greater. Even, the recent movie Fearless by Jet Li, it truly shows tht true greatness n understanding usually comes after a self defeating, to accept the weakness only to understand the true power.
in a place where one is too comfortable or hvg crutch, there will never be desperation to fight to continue living, merely fill the empty spaces n waste national paddy rice (my chemistry always say refering useless students). where one is too comfortable, the poetentially grave complancency (as Dr.M has said) will sets in. thereon, the true danger is already brewing just under the calm unsuspected surface is where great civilisation falls. a country tht has no history of difficulties is not a country tht will be rmbr in history. same applies to human. where there's nvr crisis, one will nvr realise, upon realising it yet stubborn to admit n chg is the perfect recipe for self deception, self destruction and self defeating.

at current, i hv troubles in life and im taking big chg as i realise it is prerogative if i were to overcome my hurdle to become a greater person one day. i m in my dark moments and currently taking big chg to chg myself.


i read a good book:
1. In life, Uve decision making privileges score YOU 1-0 Life
2. Life throws u serious crisis, u fall. score YOU 1-1 Life
3. Unwilling to chg and stubbornly push forward harder in the same manner. Life doesnt give into u. You fall again score YOU 1-2 Life
4. Unless you're willing to admit ur weakness, look invertly and chg only Life will allow to get thru then u wld hv a score YOU 2-1 Life

I personally don't think it matters if an unemployed graduate is a bumi or non bumi. What matters is that the recources of a nation are being wasted. The reasons for unemployment if possible, should be determined and then fixed. University places should only be created if there is a need for it, not just to satisfy the population, and the standards of the university should be maintained, ie adequete standards need to be set and a student should not be allowed to graduate if these standards are not met.
I do agree though that Malaysia is ruled by one party ie UMNO and in the long term I fear this will be to its detrement. Most successfull countries have a strong opposition that keeps the govnt in check.

When I went through some of the topics,I was surprised by some of the dumb,ignorant and obnoxious comments made by the posters here.

all malaysian should united instead throwing $hits to other races. The change of mindset is a more practical way. Although i am a chinese, I can live very well to others.

The enemies is waiting us at outside, not inside. think 100 years from now, how should malaysia stand in the future while the outsider has already so strong that they can blow us like piece of cake.

if we continue holding our sentiment in aspects of races (since Merdeka till now, keep continue),
the only can safe us is God.

^^^I agree. For me races only social term....

Got NEP, you complain! Abolish NEP, you make noise!

Become Ali Baba, you lament! Ask you to work hard, you don't want!

And you keep on blaming other communities for everything!

"Pathetic" is the word my malay friends!