Well do you????

It's only for those with balls, gotta face up to the ghosts.

i want to be come the shaman king LOL j/k honestly it will be great to be a shaman but even if i am/become one, i'll be lazy to do any work.

hmm...i've always thought about how it'll be like to be a shaman...i feel that it'll be very good for Hmongs who still follows the old way to have shamans...i mean...come on...a shaman is a doctor in the Hmong community (or in the Hmong communities that still follows old ways), anyhow...i thought to myself, "When it comes to shamans being wiped out and we need shamans, I wouldn't mind being one." But then again...I have to admit...it's a lot of work...and it's quite scary...I mean...a shaman is not scary...it's just the work that he or she does that is scary...like going into the spirit realm and fighting with bad spirits and all and searching for the lost soul in the spirit world which is so much like a dream...but yeah...

What for? For what? Don't see any reason why someone would.

well...if possible...i would...but just for the experience...i wouldn't want to be a shaman for life though...

of course...you don't and won't and will never see why an individual would want to become a shaman...because you're a christian and we all (well, i shouldn't say "we all" i should just say "I") *erase "we all" in your mind* [I] know that christians (like you) don't support shamans...and hey...it's fine...but just remember...there are those exactly like you (in terms of the belief system you'd follow), but they just follow different beliefs...and because you follow a different belief system...you don't, won't, and will never see why an individual would want to become a shaman...and so that concludes us with: different people have different mind-sets when it comes to belief systems and different mind-sets offers different views which then offers different reasonings...


i'd like that too

Gotta watch out for them ghosts!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHuxMc7EZNg...ch=real%20ghost




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Thank you MoryHX

i did a little interview to find out what the difference between dab kawm and dab thawj..and i found that:

dab kawm are the ones who werent destined to be shawman and were able to learn all ettiquettes of shaman, but are voiceless in the spiritual world. Cov dab thawj are destined to be shaman, which makes it easier for them to communicate with cov dab (spirits and spirits of the deceased ones)

----> in other words: whenever cov dab thawj get sick, lawd ua neeb kiag ces lawd zoo lawm, where as for cov dab kawm, it only cures them sometimes.

so!!..i guess anyone who wants to be one and aren't destined to be one..can still learn and become one

to become a shaman comes more responsiblity...with my lack of motivation, i don't think i'll be able to become one

^ oh and yes...that's very true...here's another way of seeing it: dab kawm = cons and dab thawj = pro...and wow...i didn't know that...i mean...i didn't know that con shamans are voiceless in the spirit realm! interesting...

@ henry:

I guess its always nice to try it. I wouldnt think its for everyone ; maybe good for later in life.

fu-k NO! I don't have the guts to see scary @$$ ghosts, demons, living corpses....

It's scary $hit what Shamans see....sometimes shamans see dead people walking around....Kinda like the boy in the movie The Sixth Sense ....

^ one of my uncle/relative is a shaman(he's my cousin grandpa?), my cousin ask him if he see ghost/spirit and are he scare when he see them, and he told us that he see them and are'nt afriad cuz if ur afraid then it will make thing more easy for ghost/spirit to get to u. but not all spirit can harm u though.

AHAHAHA...u typed this^^^ post as if you were a shaman before and witnessed all the above already.
so...give us more feedback??..AHAHAHHA..just teasin' you :P

Uhh..yeah...if you know any Shamans...talk to them...they will tell you straight up....you can get where they're comin from especially when the Shaman is also a peer too....

I'll take their word for it....I know i'd be scared as fu-k....they were too, at least when they first saw the things...

I wish it was a requirement for shamans to actually be the guys modeling for the youngsters too, and actually PREACH.

Read my topic:

http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?...6%2339%3Bt+deep

Hey thanks for showing your topic Ben.


Very funny!

yes..but you have to be "chosen"..and it appears that i'm not... ...but my dad is so it's okay....

I think its good for Hmong nowadays to keep Shaman in even if you are a Christian who might view it as an empty practice. Shaman is still a vital part of Hmong because its a defining characteristic in our culture and it tends to act like glue within our communities from time to time.

I'm thankful for all Hmong who still respect and believe in tradition, Christian or Shaman. If you are christian and think its pagan to an extent, fine so be it, but you have to set aside your beliefs from to time to time if you want to really be closer to your roots and traditions.

^ yep!!! and like said in other threads...religion or what the Hmongs practiced before Christianity, in other words Shamanism, is intertwined with tradition and culture which then creates that sense of identity...of what Hmong is...not is IS but yeah...

Yes traditionally one has to chosen. Although sometimes people do become "psychic" for some unknown reason.

If your dad is a shaman then most likely you too have inherited the ability.
Its probably not awaken yet until you want to awaken it.

I always thought that hmong shaman's are born not made, but lately I’ve read hmong articles that promises hmong individuals into learning how to become a shaman, I guess that if someone is passionate enough a few can become a shaman, right now I think I need not apply for shot title at shaman, when I’m older like you’re grandpa or even a little earlier before, perhaps I’ll apply then and it’s a definite must once I reach the necessarily age, besides it raises the respect in a person and one need not need call other shamans If one has already know the rituals, so I guess its not just respect you would get from others, but is also convenient. Hehe...yea...

Yes, you certainly may become one if you wish. It will be a great beneficial to your clan and every one else who are in need of shaman.

Christians can not practice dual practices, there's nothing wrong on shaman side but christian side forbids it. It's wrong for christianity, does not deserve room and respect.

"Hmong Shaman Academy" Wow!

Becoming a shaman is like wine it gets better with time.


If you learn now then you'll be really good when your older.

^ and being a con shaman...as one gets older...it's harder to ride the horse...in other words to jump on the rooj neeb...it'll take a lot of energy to do so...because the pro shamans are possessed by their nang spirits therefore they could jump for hours even when they're like old...and con shamans don't have nang spirits...or do they? maybe they do but not as strong as chosen ones...

Hmmm...all this Shaman talk....What about EVIL shamans?? Tell me more bout them!

^ those are the ones who does "black magic"...there are still a few around...i think...quite scary though...not sure if they ever used it on anyone anymore though...

some shamans are practically like psychic which i've met one and heard of another. while others are more of the usual that you see. the psychic ones are rare.


there are shamans that learn and shamans that are just chosen. when ua neej, the shamans that learn follow a strict order of chants and such that they've learned from their masters. usually these shaman don't deviate from the chants that they've learned. those shamans that are chosen, their neej tells them what to do (or more like how to solve a problem) when they ua neej. those that are chosen have masters but they also learn from their neej and are constantly learning new things, well from what i've seen in relatives. also a shaman's neej becomes less clear and less "strong" if they don't ua neej enough (meaning a lot).


on the subject of seeing the dead. it depends on the person if they see or hear or etc the dead. my some people hear the dead. it's not like the dead comes to them a lot but only on special occasions. like when this shaman was going to ua neej for a woman, the woman's husband came to the shaman and told her stuff. stuff like the woman must suffer for what she did to him (her husband) when he was sick so the shaman should not interfere.

also i've heard of a shaman who saw her dead son visit her a couple of times but he doesn't come anymore.

i've also heard of shamans who when they are sleeping and suddenly waken up by a presence (shadow) in the bedroom door. some that have doors to the outside, can feel bad things trying to come and get them. these things usually come from shamans who are not very nice (i don't want to say evil) or from black magic people do. when a person does black magic on a shaman, the shaman can feel it. it may come in different forms than the one i just said so tell those people you know that does black magic to not do it to a shaman.

if you are an honest and good-doer shaman than your neej will tell you how to deal with it when you're in these situations but if you're a dishonest and not-so-nice shaman than your neej will not be as clear when you ask them what to do or when your trying to solve something. so most shaman i know do not really get scared of these things after a while.


ok so to answer the post starter's question. i don't want to become a shaman but if it comes to me than i guess i will become one.

Yeah they do also put love spells on people.

^what evil shamans?? I've never heard of those before...???

They practice black magic, and can summon evil spirits to do wrong to other people. Very bad. I seen some shamans that can do that before. Never seen them summon, but i've seen the Shaman.

i actually know some people who knows black magic and uses it.

i think the evil shamans may not necessarily be evil but they are the kind that hate a (lot of) people in general so if they hate you they will not ua neej "completely" for you.

yeah they still do the black magic....my aunt like this one guy that did black magic..and everytime they were near each other she'll feel very dizzy and stuff....scaryy


my mom was telling me about those people that do black magic..for some if they hit you then yuo die and they can't ever get mad or anyone or the person'll die..kind of scary..it depends on how stong your "magic" is....

You mean if they physical hit you you will die instantly?

in some ways, i also would want to be a shaman but i am scerd of does things. if i dont learn that stuff, i want to learn everything about the hmong culture... like stuff to do at weddings, funerals, shaman parties, things like that.. like all the old folkls do now a days.. its gonna disappear soon too.

See that is one advantage Christians have over the Hmong people. Anyone can be a Christian but not everyone is chosen to be a shaman. Once Hmongs have lost their culture they can never get it back.

yes...i would have to agree with you to some degree...and it's very scary that chosen shamans will be wiped out one day...well, not like "scary--AHHHHHH", but "scary--NO, WHY?"...anyhow, but I wouldn't say that the Hmongs will be losing their culture...it's just A part of their culture they will be lost, well, nah, I guess one could say that they would lose MAJORITY of their culture...i mean...from how i see it, religion, to be specific, animism/shamanism, is so intertwined with the Hmongs' culture/tradition...so yeah...but, they can get it back, i mean...to say "they can never get it back" wouldn't hold true...why? because you gots the CON SHAMANS...even though pro shamans are a lot more accurate and stronger than cons, CON shamans can at least bring some amount of comfort to those that still follow the old ways...and i'm sure there are those who are willing to be a con shaman...but damn...i'm gettin hungry...ok...that'll be all for today for me at least

hmm..this makes me curious...i wanna ask my grandpa about black magic now...in lus hmoob, black magic yog dabtsi ne????


magic dub??..AHAHHAH..:P

ahahahaha...no...i guess you could just say, "neeb tsis zoo"?

I dont think these "con" shamans to be as good as those who were chosen as a shaman.
I would prefer to see more chosen shamans though personally.

yes...that's true...i would like to see more chosen ones too, however...IF, once chosen ones don't exist anymore..."con" shamans could at "least" comfort animists...and I believe that that's kool too...it's better than nothing right?

Nope...I don't want to be a Shamen..But I'll always support them =)

Yep its better than nothing.

Won't there always be shamans??? Isnt there a saying that if one of your parent is a shaman the first child of the family will fall into a trance state and will be chosen to become a shaman..........shoot i'm not sure if its true but thats wat i heard.....but becoming a shaman.........its tough......cuz we gotta skooling to do and try to be hmong at the same time..........including become a shaman its too much responsiblity but if u r choosen then oh wells u have to do it then.....lol............i dont think i wanna become one but props and respect for the shamans.......

I dont know HmOnG_BbOy
If you look at other peoples who have lost their culture like American Black people or Native Americans (some Natives) many of them wish they have never lost their culture. They too had shamans at one time but they lost it and it has never return. Thats why its very important to preserve the culture. You lose it once it may never return forever.


But as moryHX mention there is always the "con shamans". They arnt as good as the choosen ones I would think.

the first child will not necessarily be the one to become a shaman just because the parent (s) are one. it depends on a lot of things (which i'm not to clear on and it probably won't be easily explained or listed). sometimes the kids are not the ones that become a shaman but the grandkid(s). also there will always be chosen shamans. even if they can't find a master their neej's will teach them what to do. altho i think having a master and the neej teaching is much more helpful.


black magic in hmong would be khawm khoob...well i'm not sure if the spelling is right but if you literally translate this then you've got the words "pick up needles". do you guys get what i mean?




no i don't see how christians has an advantage over hmong people. also there are hmong people who are christians and it sounds like you are saying being hmong and being christian are two different things that are not associated with one another. newho a shaman is basically like a priest or a pastor. so anyone can believe in shamanism like believing in the christianity or catholicism(sp?) but only some people have the calling to become a shaman like those that have a calling to become a pastor or priest. hopefully you understand my meaning.'


peace ^_^

But anyone can become a Christian and not every Hmong can be a shaman.
To become a shaman (in most part) means you have to inherit it.

The difference between A Christian and A Shaman is totally obvious...a christian and a shaman have different contents...they're at different levels and they don't even compare...so obviously anyone could become a Christian...say...this concept would be the same as yours, "Anyone can become an Animist and not every Hmong can become a Priest." But if you were to say, "Choosen Shamans in the Hmong community have a slim chance of being in existence while Priests in the Hmong community have a greater chance to exist." I say that because (I hope it's safe for me to type what I'm going to type because I'm just assuming but if anyone could explain to me what I'm going to state please fix my errors) unlike Choosen Shamans, Priests don't exist through ancestors while (pro) Shamans exist through ancestors...so basically...don't compare a Shaman to a Christian...but do compare a Shaman to a Priest...it makes more sense...because they're both at the same level...

And your second statement...correction: "To become a [PRO] shaman (in most part) means [one would have to inherit the neng spirits from their ancestors]." Anyone can become A Shaman...a CON Shaman that is...so it's not really true to say that "To become a shaman means you have to inherit it." Anyone can become one if they're willing to and wants to, just like how people are willing to and want to be a priest...

*sigh*

Absolutely, christian and shaman are at different level. Christian believes in God and shaman believe in deceitful spirits. Is this all you have learn from your elders? I am still waiting for your research and learning of shaman. Remember? You were suppose to learn the shaman way from your elders and get back to me. I am still active but just have not been posting because a lot of the issues here are dumb and meaningless.