Full Version: Reunification
What's your view on the reunification of North and South Korea.I know it's a sensitive issue.I feel North and South Korea are one nation and the division is an accident of history.Both nations should come together to form a bigger and stronger Korea.
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Ideally, yeah that would be totally awesome. The North posess great mineral resources and a powerful war machine. If they were to reunite and join with the South's superior economy, labor force, and agriculture than Korea's position as an advanced country would be elevated even more so. They might even grow to be the most dominant country in that part of the world, for a little while. Unfortunately, I don't see that scenario even having a chance of happening at all. It would take a an act of God to reunite the two nations. I wish that they would.
You sound pretty pessimistic Kyung.
Pessimistic eh? Well, what can I say, I'm a realist. Do you really think that Kim Jong-Il even thinks about giving up any of his power? Absolute power corrupts absolutely. It's so sad that the people of North Korea have been brainwashed for so long. Unfortunately, something that seems so good and righteous doesn't come free. Look at the fall of the Soviet Union. Everybody said yay this is so cool, no more iron curtain. Now poverty and civil war run rampant through much of the old Soviet Union. Nobody really does anything about it. Also the amount of nuclear weapons being sold on the black market is incredible due to this. Hey I'm sorry but that is the harsh reality in which we live in.
I want both Koreas to unite but if they do reunite, Korea will be behind 5-10 years in terms of economy. Hopefully they can reunite the best way possible
Like mentioned in countless other threads, the two Koreas are simply not capable of unification. Ofcourse everyone wishes it to happen, but's it's not as simple as pullin' down the fence. The economic differences, different political system etc. doesn't make it ideal at all at the moment.
We'll have to wait longer ... but it will eventually come, and I sincerely hope it's during my lifetime ...
We'll have to wait longer ... but it will eventually come, and I sincerely hope it's during my lifetime ...
i dont see how korea will ever be reunited in peaceful manner. said that, both nations should move on if they want to avoid war.
They should first of all sign a god damned peace treaty instead of still being technically at war with each other. I mean, if both are technically at war, then how the hell can the south keep sending the north aid and all? Sheesh, both of you sign a real peace treaty not a stupid armistice.
Reunification is all but impossible I think unfortunately with politics and the economy especially being so different from both of them. The South's economy would collapse if they unified and so would their society with all the north korean refugees just flooding into the south.
Reunification is all but impossible I think unfortunately with politics and the economy especially being so different from both of them. The South's economy would collapse if they unified and so would their society with all the north korean refugees just flooding into the south.
QUOTE(rahul1000 @ Jun 25 2006, 01:36 PM) 
The South's economy would collapse if they unified and so would their society with all the north korean refugees just flooding into the south.
which is why it should be done slowly
All to often people look at the economic or political costs of reunification. Sure, those are tough to figure out, but by extrapolating figures from German unification some people have given some mind blowing estimates.
That is not my concern though. Economics I think can be oversome by the Korean "can-do" spirit. it is the societal problems that worry me most. North Korean defectors have a very tough time adjusting to life in the South. Finding out that most of what they were taught was a lie and adjusting to a market economy is not easy for them. As well, most South koreans do not go out of their way to welcome them. The number one complaint for North koreans living in the South is that they have no friends.
I predict that social woes will outweigh and fiscal problem.
That is not my concern though. Economics I think can be oversome by the Korean "can-do" spirit. it is the societal problems that worry me most. North Korean defectors have a very tough time adjusting to life in the South. Finding out that most of what they were taught was a lie and adjusting to a market economy is not easy for them. As well, most South koreans do not go out of their way to welcome them. The number one complaint for North koreans living in the South is that they have no friends.
I predict that social woes will outweigh and fiscal problem.
Korea is divided not just at the 38th parallel but also at the Yalu River. Since the beginning of time, Manchuria, which is located north of the Korean peninsula between the Yalu and Amur Rivers, was occupied by Koreans and other Korean-related tribes such as the Manchus. In 1931, the Japanese Empire took Manchuria from the Manchus. In 1945, Russia took Manchuria from the Japanese. In 1947, the Han Chinese, under Mao Zedong, took Manchuria from the Russians. In the short space of 16 years, Manchuria was transferred from the Koreans/Manchus to the Han Chinese. Today, the fact that Manchuria is a part of the Republic of China is quite misleading, as historically Manchuria was only recently annexed to China. Thus, for there to be true reunification of the Korean people, South Korea & North Korea & Manchuria would have to be reunified as one land.
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Protecting North Korean territory from Chinese influence is already a near impossible task, and you want to speak about Manchuria?
QUOTE(wang lee @ Jun 26 2006, 09:03 PM)
Korea is divided not just at the 38th parallel but also at the Yalu River. Since the beginning of time, Manchuria, which is located north of the Korean peninsula between the Yalu and Amur Rivers, was occupied by Koreans and other Korean-related tribes such as the Manchus. In 1931, the Japanese Empire took Manchuria from the Manchus. In 1945, Russia took Manchuria from the Japanese. In 1947, the Han Chinese, under Mao Zedong, took Manchuria from the Russians. In the short space of 16 years, Manchuria was transferred from the Koreans/Manchus to the Han Chinese. Today, the fact that Manchuria is a part of the Republic of China is quite misleading, as historically Manchuria was only recently annexed to China. Thus, for there to be true reunification of the Korean people, South Korea & North Korea & Manchuria would have to be reunified as one land.
And thus why the Chinese gov. is trying to re-write history in the region.
QUOTE(wang lee @ Jun 27 2006, 12:03 PM)
Korea is divided not just at the 38th parallel but also at the Yalu River. Since the beginning of time, Manchuria, which is located north of the Korean peninsula between the Yalu and Amur Rivers, was occupied by Koreans and other Korean-related tribes such as the Manchus. In 1931, the Japanese Empire took Manchuria from the Manchus. In 1945, Russia took Manchuria from the Japanese. In 1947, the Han Chinese, under Mao Zedong, took Manchuria from the Russians. In the short space of 16 years, Manchuria was transferred from the Koreans/Manchus to the Han Chinese. Today, the fact that Manchuria is a part of the Republic of China is quite misleading, as historically Manchuria was only recently annexed to China. Thus, for there to be true reunification of the Korean people, South Korea & North Korea & Manchuria would have to be reunified as one land.
QUOTE(freefallz @ Jun 26 2006, 11:42 PM)
Just wondering was manchu an independent country before the Japanese invasion?
In 1900, the Russians seized Manchuria from the Ching Empire. Japan then stepped in and the Russo-Japanese War was fought, mostly on and around the Korean peninsula and in Manchuria. In 1905, the victorious Japanese received possession of the Liaotung peninsula in SW Manchuria while the rest of Manchuria was returned to the Ching Empire. Then in 1911, the Ching Empire and the Manchus were overthrown by Sun Yat-Sen, with the Han Chinese spending the next 26 years fighting a bloody civil war amongst themselves. Amidst all the chaos, the Japanese were able to conquer all of Manchuria in 1931, renaming the region Manchukuo.
Before 1900, the Ching Empire of the Manchus had controlled Manchuria and all of the land we now call China since 1644. There was no such land as "China" between 1644 and 1911. The Manchus were not Han Chinese but were very closely related to the Koreans. The original homeland of the Manchus was not Manchuria but the NE corner of N Korea. The Manchus were driven out of N Korea and into Manchuria by King Sejong (inventor of the Korean alphabet) of Choson in 1444. Before 1911, the last time the Han Chinese had controlled "China" was during the Ming Dynasty (1368-1644), after the fall of the Eastern Mongol Empire. Since Manchuria was never a part of the territory of the Ming Dynasty, it can be reasonably inferred that from 1368-1900, the sole inhabitants of Manchuria were either Koreans or Manchus (also known as Juchens). And even today, the majority population of Manchuria is Korean (around 2 million), many of whom are actually Manchus who identify as Koreans.
The last 100 years has marked the first time since the last Ice Age that Manchuria has not been under the direct control of Korean-related tribes. The dramatic rebirth of China in 1911, after 300 years of rule by the Korean-related Manchus, and China's annexation of Manchuria have created the false impression that Manchuria has always been a part of China. It is clear from the historical record that Manchuria only recently became China's property.
How to achieve reunification of Manchuria & N Korea & S Korea? First, N Korea & S Korea must be reunified, but this can realistically happen only if the US army leaves S Korea. When Silla unified the Korean peninsula in 676 AD, it used the help of the Han Chinese military, but when the Chinese refused to withdraw their troops after the conquest of Koguryo, Silla drove the foreigners out by force. The expulsion of the Chinese military marked the beginning of a unified Silla. So must it happen with Korea today: the foreign US military must be expelled in order for there to be any possibility of N Korea & S Korea reunifying. Once Korea is reunified, efforts can be made toward reclaiming Manchuria from the Republic of China.
Manchurians more like originated from the outer fringes of Manchuria.
And the majority population of Manchuria is Han Chinese(over 100 million), not Koreans(2 million). Stop talking out of your @$$.
And KJLost is correct. We should be more concerned about kicking China out of NK than "taking" Manchuria.
And the majority population of Manchuria is Han Chinese(over 100 million), not Koreans(2 million). Stop talking out of your @$$.
And KJLost is correct. We should be more concerned about kicking China out of NK than "taking" Manchuria.
North Korea belongs to Manchus, not South Koreans. North Koreans are silla-nized mohe. Manchus are direct descent of mohe. So they are somehow related. South Koreans are direct descent of Baekji and Silla. They are branch of Japanese yamato race. Period.
QUOTE(wang lee @ Jun 28 2006, 12:27 PM)
In 1900, the Russians seized Manchuria from the Ching Empire. Japan then stepped in and the Russo-Japanese War was fought, mostly on and around the Korean peninsula and in Manchuria. In 1905, the victorious Japanese received possession of the Liaotung peninsula in SW Manchuria while the rest of Manchuria was returned to the Ching Empire. Then in 1911, the Ching Empire and the Manchus were overthrown by Sun Yat-Sen, with the Han Chinese spending the next 26 years fighting a bloody civil war amongst themselves. Amidst all the chaos, the Japanese were able to conquer all of Manchuria in 1931, renaming the region Manchukuo.
Before 1900, the Ching Empire of the Manchus had controlled Manchuria and all of the land we now call China since 1644. There was no such land as "China" between 1644 and 1911. The Manchus were not Han Chinese but were very closely related to the Koreans. The original homeland of the Manchus was not Manchuria but the NE corner of N Korea. The Manchus were driven out of N Korea and into Manchuria by King Sejong (inventor of the Korean alphabet) of Choson in 1444. Before 1911, the last time the Han Chinese had controlled "China" was during the Ming Dynasty (1368-1644), after the fall of the Eastern Mongol Empire. Since Manchuria was never a part of the territory of the Ming Dynasty, it can be reasonably inferred that from 1368-1900, the sole inhabitants of Manchuria were either Koreans or Manchus (also known as Juchens). And even today, the majority population of Manchuria is Korean (around 2 million), many of whom are actually Manchus who identify as Koreans.
Prc shold purchase NK from kim like USA purchased Alaska.
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