QUOTE(Sirikittong @ Jun 19 2006, 05:42 AM) [snapback]1967536[/snapback]
That is generalist claim because the term 'Thai' does refer to nationality as well it can refer to a person of ethnic Dai/Tai origin depending on the context of use. It is the same for the term 'Khmer' as it can refer to peoples within Cambodia and in terms of ethnicity; it has been used before otherwise.
Nangsbek, you fail to undersand the original differences of the peoples, 'Thai' and 'Khmer'. First of all the Khmers, which are part of the Austro-Asiatic group were a group of mongoloid-like people that immigrated to what is now continental south east asia; and sometimes contested the same time with the Malay ethnics. However, the Mon/Khmer group had a high level of intermingling with the indigenous negroid peoples that once inhabited the region; claims and proof of this would be the precursor state of Angkor, Funan, which was documented by contemporary Chinese historians as having very dark features, curly hair etc; all the characteristics of the earlier negroids that inhabited the region.
When referring to the Thai, which is in this case a term used for nationality and ethnicity, as I reiterated before, it is different. The Thais are part of the long Dai/Tai culture that was quite preeminent in what is now modern day Yunnan Province of southern china, as we had an earlier precursor state called the Nanzhao Empire, before it was destroyed in the 13th century, along with other neighbouring states by the Mongols; thus forcing the great Tai diaspora into what is now south east asia; a land that has generally beein foreign to us until the 12-13th century when our southern migration forced us to adapt to the region and established states in the region; per se the Angkorian state, which we eventually dominated in time. Ethnic Tai/Dai (Thai/Lao/Shan) have a larger body form than that of the earlier peoples that were dominated in time such as the Mon and Khmer. Tai ethnics that compose the general bulk of the population in Thailand, Laos and eastern Myanmar are genotypically similar and have cultural affinities that are observed; given that they adopted and molded into pre-existing cultures of the mon and other hinduized state, the central Thais are the ones that heavily adopted both mon and khmer culture--I have explained this in lengthy posts in the Thai Chat-History; refer to that thread. I will aquiesce that there are great similarities between the two peoples 'Thai' and 'Khmer', but there are also vast differences that lay deep inside each other's history. The Khmers seem to be a people of the south; as there is a lacking documentation of their preexisting states besides funan/angkor, however for the Thais, they were a product of the massive Tai migration to the south, of which had an original empire-state for centuries in what is now Yunnan, whose territories and domains stretched to that of northern Burma, Tibet, and peripheries. There is a great difference.
@ Dara. There are light skinned, tan skinned, and dark skinned Thai nationals. When you go to the north, the thais there are quite light skinned as the original Tais were light skinned, central thais usually are light to tan skinned, and there are darker thai nationals that have khmer/mon origin; as well as in the south, they are Malay-Thais that are the same skin tone as that of the Khmer. We're talking about a country of 70 million here, so of course theres going to be alot of variances, its not like cambodia where it only has 10+ million people.
negroids never lived in funan, they never came, you're thinking of negritoes or australoid which by the way never intermix with khmer directly, they both didn't exist when khmer came to mainland southeast asia, but khmer could have mixed with the secound waves of mongoloids who were already dominating southeast asia. archeologist can't determine who actually ruled funan, the indians malays or khmer. anyways, back to the topic, negritoes were pushed out by australoids, who in turn were push and some mix with the austronesian mongoloids 10,000 years ago, follow by another wave of mongoloids 3,000 years ago, follow by mon-khmer in 200 b.c- 300 a.d. tai people ruled nanchao, but they migrated to southeast asia in 600 a.d or later. documents by zhou daguan never called khmer extremely dark, they said regular people in the population were light brown and royalties were light. where did you think mon-khmer came from? out of no where, they came from the north and can trace back to south china and tibet, original mon-khmer are lighter than todays because they came from a higher latitude. about half of the khmer people have the eye fold thingy, skin is always yellowish but can reach brownish yellow. don't say wavy is a negrito inherited tratit since its an adaption, thats why tibetans who lived in warmer area have wasy hair and darker skin, even though they are northern mongoloids. All southeast asian are sundadont mongoloids, having diffrent dental patterns in oppose to the northern mongoloids. Eyes are almond shaped and like slanted. No mongoloids have round faces. Khmer people have flat faces like the rest of the mogoloids, thats why khmer people say 'pou azi neam mou tapeat' (asian people have flat faces). and plus lao, thai, burmese, and even chinese can have dark skin because it depends on uv-ray exposures, thats why laotians are simmiliar to khmer in terms of skin color. in terms of face shape, all southeast asian have the same structure, like northern mongoloids have the same facial structure. ps, there were no organized states before the migration south for the mon-khmer, just a domination in the yangtze river delta until chinese expansion 2000 or years ago. Mon-khmer ethnic includes many light skin people, who are in higher altitudes but they share the same features. Tai-Kadai and mon-khmer are the closest because they recently divided from each other thousand of years ago. typical khmer people have broad faces, a characteristic of mongoloids.
QUOTE(Sirikittong @ Jun 20 2006, 06:02 PM) [snapback]1973227[/snapback]
lol. I do not look like a Khmer, my face is less bracocephalic. My forehead formation and sharp facial phenotype is traditionally linked with Tai/Dai normalcy. I dont think I look like traditional khmers, maybe those khmers with thai ancestry, but no similarities with pure khmers. My facial features has the traditional central Thai features; primarily Ayuthayan (because I am Ayuthayan, lol).
Ah bahh humbug! ejay is here trying to start a flame. tsk..people dont change.
i dun hate you, i think ur peaceful and dun wanna start a war but brachyphyll is a characteristic of mongoloids, not non mongoloids. it means round odd shaped head. and plus, if u dun look khmer then why do you look like khmer people selling chicken wings and papaya salad at my city? you're skin color is exactly the same as the majority of khmer and you're eye is slanted, khmer people have salnted eyes. Many khme people get eye surgery. you look like my uncle, pure khmer from kampong chnnang, u dun hav to be mixed to look like steryotypic mongoloid.