narrow mind huh rofl...if paradise is where you dont get tired and theres no risk of diseases wheres the fun in that huh...wheres the fun in smoking a cigarette when you know theres no risk involve...wheres the fun when you know theres no risk involve..theres nothing like the trill of putting your life on the line and comming out the victor.

let me say this again how the fu-k do u know... did you go there youself..?... the moment you desire something it comes to you where did that come from.... what happen to all that hard work and patience you were preaching about..? you cant make a dollar out of 15 cents ps can you not put what you learn in use in this "paradise"

really though you really believe in what youre told huh ....events in the past that have been told for hundreds of years tend to be distorted come up with definite proof then you got something to say


what miracle...were u there when it happen or you just believe everything your told

examples rofl did you see it or was it hearsay from a book....wheres the evidence...this wouldnt hold 3 sec in court


how you tell me show me your evidence


you answer a question with another question wow...world war one and two were documented by the countries that were involved.... how do we know it ever happen? well in both wars they implimented the usage of moving pictures..wartime documents and wartime pictures...the buildup of arms..alright i can go on forever so ill drop this..

alright why dont you prove to me without a doubt that paradise is what you claim it to be...im putting what you say on the chair so prove to me that it is what you claim it to be// forget what i said in the previously posts and focus on one thing at a time..mla format onegai

Skeptic,

Samsparky is not contradicting herself or commiting a logical fallacy from her point of view which is Islamic. Because Islam does not claim that man can comprehend God. Islam teaches that one can recognize and know attributes of God. At least this is how I understand Islam. Islam also, to my understanding, would equate destruction as an ability of God.

Of course you have a point, but that point losses ground when accepting Islam derives it knowledge of the attributes of God through revelation, and not specifically scientific means. The purpose of Islam from this stand point is moral formation, by compelling the Muslim - or student have you - to conduct his or her behaviour as closely towards the divine attributes as one can as revealed by the prophets including the prophet Mohammed as not just God's attributes than man need know, but that which is pleasing to God if man assumes.

But yes, if you would argue, Skeptic, that at some point religion, Islam included, can only utilize logic so far before it departs into faith, you would be 100% correct.



I think there is a problem in your position here. To observe something, one must be outside of it, that man is part of nature he can never observe nature from outside of it. So I don't see how we can say with certainty that "nature has existed eternally."

Yes. And because it departs on faith, that faith cannot say with such certainty, as Sam gives in his/her post, that Allah/God did not have a creator. The only reason I can think of to postulate that God had no creator is to stop the "bump in the rug." I just can't figure out why (see my sig) that bump can't stop with the universe itself.



Because eternity is marked by time and there was no such thing as time prior to the Big Bang. So, whatever it was that "existed" "prior" to the Big Bang may have existed there for all eternity and...oh, screw it. Trying to say that the whatever which was the precursor to the Big Bang existed and did so eternally is nonsensical in that context. And that is EXACTLY my point.

Taoism is cool.

Ok, fair enough. But a dictionary term of "eternity" is meant to explain a common use of the word. As the purpose of a dictionary is to do that with all words. However the purpose of a dictionary is not to explain a thing or the essence of a thing - this is a commom error and misuse of the dictionary by people.

Haveing said that, I think we can fairly conclude, samsparky use of the word "eternity" was meant to encompass a state before time as well as when the state of time began and continues.

Oh, yes. I agree. But since you cannot measure what occurred prior to the Big Bang, whatever it was that "sparked" the Big Bang, what "contained" it, must have "existed" in order for this event to occur and begin the clock, so to speak. So, that "something" needn't be a conscious entity with attributes, but whatever "Nature" Is before Nature is.

So in other words you think that a chalk and a board can come together by nature and "naturally" write something???

What is written will have a size, shape, colour - all these happened rather than others - the one who wrote it is the one who specified it as such.

If you will say that by chance the world turned out like this then it is as if you are saying: by chance writing appeared on the board in a certain size, shape & colour "naturally".

Chalk and blackboards are not living things. Life evolved on this planet and this was not a "random" process.

The world itself exists as it does based on a huge number of physical laws. ANY other planet in ANY other similar circumstance would have evolved under the same set of laws. Just as one apple falls from a branch in a tree according to natural law, another apple, on another branch, also falls to the ground according to the same natural law. The apples falling do not re-write how to fall every time they do so and, dare I say, no one gives them a shove in order for gravity to exist.

You are suggesting, of course, that the earth is the way it is because someone "willed" it to be this way. The earth is the way it is because it was intentionally designed. Knowing what we know about the earth, what does this say about your supposed "designer"? Would you like to see some examples of his "handiwork" and what these examples reveal about him/her/it?

Logic is the religion that is the most logical...

islam.

Definitely not Scientology

Nature can be defined as the specific normal characteristics of something. e.g. the existence of gravity. The laws of nature do not create. They are there because they are created. They did not just come by themself. Like I said, nothing created is without a creator.

The proof that they are created is that they operate in a specific way rather than any other way. This specificity means that they had to be specified. That means they are created. And the created can not create himself because that would require him to exist before himself and that is illogical.


The earth was created not as a Paradise. This world is not worth a wing of a mosquito. Every worldly pleasure in this world is not pure pleasure. It is always mixed with some displeasure and that is what many have become used to. Hence those people think that that is the ultimate pleasure. Those people don't know what pleasure is - pain-free, worry-free, stress-free, discomfort free - not for a few seconds - forever.

You can't get that on this earth because it's not created as a Paradise.

Paradise is for those who use their minds and acknowledge that there is no creation without a creator.

The ones who believe in the message of the Messengers of God who were sent with miracles.

And many many signs that happen to show their truthfulness and the truthfulness of the Divine Books.

Many prophecies fulfilled. and many prophecies to be fulfilled.

All Messengers preached the same belief in God.




Specifics are shapes, colours, time, and place.

The Creator is not subject to these. He is not subject to being punished or rewarded. He creates and destroys. He creates good and evil.

As for nature, i replied to that above.

i say it once and ill say it again how do you know what paradise is like?
is it all hearsay? have you been there? do you have first hand experience with it? where is your support and evidence? explain this to me mla please.
*how about this i view one of the pleasures in life is spending time with my love through thick and thin... hard times and good times... are you gonna call it fake pleasure just because my love includes hard times?

You are an excellent example of those who have learnt to enjoy cheap pleasures that are mixed with displeasure lol. The one who tastes rotten food all his life and thinks it's normal and doesn't know that there's something better might actually start calling his food nice.

So are you saying to me that you would like a hurricane to happen to you, injure you from head to toe and put you in a wheel chair for the rest of your life, unable to speak or go to the toilet on your own, etc.

Is that pleasure to you?

What about dying? Is that pleasure to you as well?


The hard work is in this life for the one who enters Paradise in the next.


So you agree that deny WW1 and WW2 is silly - that's good. But you and I and all of us know that moving pictures can be faked or manipulated. So how come you still believe it?

If you live just say in the north pole - how come you believe that there is an australia?

Isn't it because a lot of people are saying the same thing?

Not only tens of people but people who don't know each other are also saying the same thing, people who don't like each other are saying it.

This means that it is impossible for them to have agreed to lie about it.

That's how we know about the flood of Noah, the staff of Moses, the miracle of Jesus and many other Prophets.

People who might not even like each other relating the same stories.

From many different routes.

But if your mind is closed then you will say that you do not believe anyone about anything.








God revealed the knowledge about Paradise to the Messengers who came with miracles.


Open your mind.

Pain is not enjoyable. If you can have pleasure without pain why would you put you and whoever you love through pain?

cheap pleasures huh...have you ever enjoy this "pure pleasures" my orginal question is how do you know these pure pleasures of paradise exist? from the word of god to whom? messangers? wishfull thinking who knows right?



when did i say having a hurricane is pleasure...of course its a b!tch but what you do afterwards like helping the recovery effort or saving a life makes it all worth it to be a human.
i mean caring for others or taking advantage of them when they are in need isnt that part of being human?

yes dying is one of the pleasure of mankind... who would really want to live forever outside of time watching events as they go by...? watch highlander lately?


your reward system again huh


i still believe because ghetto tech of the ww1/2 days isnt the only evidences..there is the land that was decimated in france..there are veterans..there are spy pictures...newspaper picture...poems that sprung from that era..songs that sprung from that era... factories that was built for the sole purpose of helping the effort. need i say anymore?


if i really doubt the existance of australia i could always buy a ticket and find out for myself if it exist or not.... with my own eyes unlike your paradise where you just say what ever u wanted to say



could the same be said about how tommy hilfiger was racist? tens of people who dont know each other are also saying the samething does it mean its the truth? eventhough those people believe in such facts is it true?
or how about the existance of vampires ghosts zombies warewolfs? tens of people who dont know each other once claim that its real? i dont know you tell me if you ever seen one..?

my mind is closed thats really funny cause i was thinking the samething about you..i would instantly believe once i experience it i would instantly believe if lets say that pac came back from the dead and told me that there is a heaven for a g..i would change sides so quick.... if jesus comes here and make my crystal geyser in to dom perrion i would run down the street naked...but unlike me who would believe in an instant when theres personal experience,evidence and or definite proof but sadly circumstantial evidence just wont do..u who with ammounting evidence to the differ have not even once concider the opposite or state that there is a possibility of the opposite..

Islam

www.islamalways.com

www.thetruereligion.org

Not just tens of people know the flood of Noah happened. Millions of people know.

The story got passed down because all humanity nowadays is offspring of 3 of the sons of Noah.

The miracle of the staff of Moses is acknowledged by Muslims, christians and others.

The story was passed on.

Don't think that there is a lack of documentation or evidence for the existence of Messengers of God.

There are historical sites, many grand children or great grand children of eye-witnesses, poems as well.


Prophet Jesus is coming to this earth as a sign of the nearing of Judgement Day.

For the ones who live to that time - good for them. For the ones who die as unbelievers because of their stubborness, they are accountable for that on Judgement Day.


Living forever in this world is undesirable because it is not Paradise.

As for what some people call ghosts - have you ever seen someone possessed?

Have u ever seen an excorcism?

I think it's about time you came into the reality.

agnosticism but i dont think thats a religion....so if anything, it would be Buddhism...since it is base on philosophy.



your logic is terrible.


flood of noah is a sham. it was some documentary on tv or discovery. and they said if there was such a flood then there would be evidence in the ground....signs of history or water/flood markings, SOMETHING! but no cigar. there was some floods but not close to a Noahs Ark flood. plus with a boat the large it can be found yes? no boat either.


id like to ask the creater or anyone, why a guy like me have nipples.

Since you are so keen on watching documentaries on your TV. There was one where top scientists were brought together to debate and the issue of the flood of Noah was brought up and they admitted that the means by which it happened is something related to Religion as it can not be explained by any water cycle.

If it had rained on the ground directly, the ground would have been destroyed. But the ground released its water and the rain fell on that water so the ground was not destroyed.

The Kaabah however was destroyed except for its bases from which Prophet Abraham and his son rebuilt it.


And men normally have nipples. That is a part of you. It is as if you are asking why are my eyes on my face and not somewhere else? or why does my nose have 2 holes and not 1?

All these things were created with a wisdom. Some of the wisdoms we are informed about through Messengers of God and others not.

I seem to recall reading that Nature "creates" a great number of things. Nature has "created" things from avalanches to zebras, hurricanes to snowflakes. I think you need to open a science book, sammy. You've got a lot of reading to do.



Completely unsupported assertion.



Depends, of course, on what you mean by "creator." Physics can be said to "create." Evolution can be said to "create." But there is no goal, no conscious purpose in mind.



Not at all. God operates in a specific way rather than any other way. This specificity means that he had to be specified (God doesn't grow like a tree. God doesn't produce sprouts. God doesn't sweat. God is omniscient. God is omnipotent. These are specifics). That means that God was created. And since God was specified that means he didn't exist before he was created; it is quite illogical to think otherwise.



Two thoughts for you to ponder:

1.) Perhaps Paradise is for those who reject these silly notions and acknowledge that God triggered the Big Bang and has since left the universe to run under Natural Law. Nothing was "created" on purpose; not any more than a ball which is sent rolling down a hill was intentionally pushed so that it would hit specific rocks along the way down and bounce into a green bucket at the bottom of the hill, tipping it over and sending old rain water onto the porch steps. If not, why not?

2.) "This earth," if created, is the ONLY example of this creator's handiwork that we have. We have NO REASON to believe he can do any better. If you drive a car off the Ford assembly line and it falls apart within a year of ownership --and this is the only model of Ford ever assembled and released to the public--what evidence do you have that the "secret, invisible" car model that Ford has behind the factory doors --that no one has ever seen or driven--is any better than the one they expended a great deal of their energy making for public consumption?



Isn't that convenient. You have to be brainwashed first before you understand that strapping a bomb to your body and blowing yourself up with young men, women an children at a sidewalk cafe is a good thing to do. You are deluded.



Name one.



Name one.



As long as the God they preached was your God. Right.


Well, $hit, sammy. When you create the criteria, you can make anything fit it.

ok first of all if we are all offspring of the three noah son then where is the female..nvm that... but more importantly if what you claim is true there would be a very tight bottle neck in our genetic code due to the lack of diversity in the genetic pool


circumstantial evidences will at best get you a search warrant..


same old reward system huh


wow you actually believe in that $hit wow wow really wow no comment on my part you believing this $hit actually....wow nvm man no comment ...


reality hahaha wow you should take a step back and take a look at your bubble world that you have created...
like i said
"my mind is closed thats really funny cause i was thinking the samething about you..i would instantly believe once i experience it i would instantly believe if lets say that pac came back from the dead and told me that there is a heaven for a g..i would change sides so quick.... if jesus comes here and make my crystal geyser in to dom perrion i would run down the street naked...but unlike me who would believe in an instant when theres personal experience,evidence and or definite proof but sadly circumstantial evidence just wont do..u who with ammounting evidence to the differ have not even once concider the opposite or state that there is a possibility of the opposite.."

Like I said, nature is referred to as the specific normal characteristics of something. It is created. God created it. When a hurricane happens, it happens by the creating of God. He created nature.

A creation does not create, the most it can do is be a reason or a cause.

When I say creating I mean bringing things from non-existence into existence. No one creates with this meaning except God. Even when you put a chair together you are not creating with that meaning, you are putting already created things together in a different shape & arrangement.

And for your info I study science and I'm not going to listen to a bunch of blind followers who think this whole universe can come because of an explosion. They havn't even gotten to the point of proving anything as a fact, it always stays as a theory because someone made it up and can find "some evidence".



And I did support my assertion that the laws of nature are created. I said they work in a specific fashion so that means they were created to be like that.

Something without a will can not create it can only be a cause or a reason. It itself needed a creator who created and made it the reason that precedes a particular result.




The Attributes of God are those of Godhood. That means, the Creator MUST be Attributed with these things for it to be logical that He is the Creator. For example, the Creator can not be Attributed with ignorance. Because that is weakness and contradicts Godhood.

See how it is not a specification but rather a mental deduction - it can't be any other way - that is why it is not a specification.




God is not a body. He is not like what we imagine. He Knows with an eternal and Everlasting Knowledge. His Will is Eternal and Everlasting. Everything that happens is according to His Eternal Will and Destining and Eternal Knowledge.

Nothing at all can come into existence for even a blink of an eye without it being by His Destining.

Because no creation happens without a Creator.

The human does not create. When he cuts an apple, he is the reason & the knife is the reason but the creator is God. God has the Power to create a cut in the apple without a knife or a person.

If the human was the creator then how come he can't undo what he did? He can't uncut the apple. The Creator has the Power. But the human doesn't.



Like I said, God is not attributed with Attributes that contradict Godhood. Hence He is not attributed with imperfection. His creating a person as weak or imperfect is not an imperfection to Him. He does things for a wisdom. It contradicts Godhood to be attributed with not having the Power to create something. God has the Power to create every mental possibility.



By the way I never said I support bin laaden or any of those suicide bombers. If you want to listen then listen and if you want to stay with your mind closed its not in my hand. There is a group of people who claim to be Muslim. They only add up to about a million next to the hundreds of millions of true Muslims. They are extremists. There are 3 types of extremists and they call themselves: hizbut-tahrir, wahhabi and hisb al-Ikhwaan (JI). They are the ones killing innocent people. They don't even care of they kill Muslims along with non-Muslims because they think that they are the only Muslims. Don't you know that in London there are Muslims - how come they didn't care? My guy friend lives there and he is Turkish - he doesn't look Muslim and he uses public transport. They don't care I'm telling you. They are pests to be gotten rid of. They interpret Islaam wrongly and the true Muslims have been fighting them ever since they emerged. Don't think that just the "war on terror" is the one fighting them. For those who are ignorant Muslims and think these people are doing something good for Islaam everyday we are out there teaching them the true ways -Not to be fooled by these people. Those terrorists are there using what they think is Islam for their own political agenda and if you can't see that then you have been brainwashed by the TV.




The Prophet told us that one of the signs of Judgement Day is to see the bare-footed, naked, carers of animals build high buildings.

That is the wahhabis in saudi Arabia who used to be waylayers taking the money of Muslims who are walking on the street. Then they got rich because of the oil.




Also a Prophecy that was fulfilled is that the Prophet informed us that constantinople (Istanbul nowadays I think) which was not conquered at his time, would be conquered by a pious God-fearing prince and army. And it was.

Also, the prophecy of the increase in killings and the men wearing women clothes and women wearing men clothes.

Also the defeat of the romans.

Also, the killing of the Prophet's grandson in karbalaa'.



When I say God I mean the Creator. There is only one and that can be logically deduced.



There are 3 mental Judgements:

Mental necessity (the mind deduces that it must exist): God and His Attributes of Godhood.

Mental permissibility (the mind accepts that it could exist and that it could not exist): e.g. the existence of humans, animals, plants, etc.

Mental impossibility: the mind deduces that it can not exist. e.g. A partner to God.

The proof that there is only 1 God is that an Attribute of Godhood is that He has Power over everything and Destined everything. Each thing that happens now could not happen in a certain specific way unless it was Destined to happen that way. If someone said there is a God who destined it a different way then the answer would be that if it didn't happen the way he willed then obviously that is an attribute which contradicts Godhood.

From my understanding, all humans are first female per se, it is later on in their development in the womb (ask somebody that knows more about this than me), that persons with the Y chromosomes begin to take on the sexual identity of a male (and even after birth as infants it's not readily apparent but by gentilia). The nipples are for breast feeding children. They are evidence of the male homo sapien sapien feminized beginings to life.

The Greek philosophers, absent of modern medical technology and science, as well as the inhereters of that Greek thought - the scholastic philosophers, where wrong. All humans are not male or masuclinized at the early stages of life, and then some per flaw become female. It's more so the other way around.

You got that from some scientist who said we came because of an explosion.

I get my answer from the Messengers of God. Prophet Adam was created from the different soils of this earth - the hard and the soft, the dark and the light and what is in between.

Even if you were going to take it through scientific theory then how can they say we all came from the same amino acids supposedly formed during lightning because of the chemicals on the earth. And that we all turned out as humans or animals or plants and with different properties.

Gatts are you saying to me you've turned a blind eye to the supernatural?


There is proof out there for it. Heaps. Exorcisms happens pretty often and there was a recent one. You'd be surprised.

But knowing you you will probably say THESE moving pictures were manipulated.


And like I said:

"Prophet Jesus is coming to this earth as a sign of the nearing of Judgement Day.

For the ones who live to that time - good for them. For the ones who die as unbelievers because of their stubborness, they are accountable for that on Judgement Day."

Samsparky is a young lady not yet in her 20's. She is a devote Muslim, whom loves Allah with her heart, and shows faith in her umma and fidelity to her community (the umma). She attempts to treat people well, be charitable, and desires to be a good wife and mother. There is truth in that beyond all logical arguments or appeals to science. Not that logic and science doesn't have it's place. But her Islam is what has formed her into the beautiful young lady she is. I see no reason to denigrate that or discourage that. Especially in light of all the young women coniving (sp?), dumping their children in trash dumpsters, trying to get over on as many men as they can for money, only desireinf dudes with the most expensive car rims etc.

Sam is not an educated Muslim scholar or theologian, one must remember that. One must also remember her education in science and other studies are limited. She's 19, loves God, and seeks a husband of character. To me that's a good thing. Many young women in the U.S. of her age would be trying to get a Crip or Blood gang member for a boyfriend and a "my baby's daddy," instead of the pursuits of Sam's.


Keep your head up Samsparky.

I'm sick of you talking past me, sammy. Take my posts and reply to the points one-by-one. I'm not going to keep dissecting your sermons. You do know how to use the quote feature, right?

Just briefly, if males are not meant to have nipples then they wouldn't have them.

There are some conditions where a male may be born looking like a female until he reaches adolescence and gets the genitalia.

There are also chemicals that can arise in a lady due to a condition called polycystic ovaries syndrome and as a result she might have some male features like more body hair, broad shoulders - her reproductive system might get destroyed.

I'll bring more details about this if you want. I just had a lecture about it recently but I stil didnt download the notes lol.

Luckily I wasn't one of them.

not sure what youre asking but i think the answer to you question is in the primordial soup theory

yes that what im saying to you also peep this ill believe it when i see it..


the moving picture $hit is getting real gay..so yeah and i still have no idea what your saying wat moving pictures what? where? is there more to this post? are you gonna edit?

what the hell does jesus coming to the earth got to do with movie pictures oh nvm... jesus christ man you got to organize better learn the quote feature

1)The primordial soup theory was what I was referring to. They say that amino acids formed out of it.

So that means they are saying all humans, plants and animals are from one origin. How come you accept it from them but not from me?

2)If you want to see the supernatural that's up to you, you look for it. There's heaps of it around.

3)I was referring to a video of someone possessed recently and there are others. What country are you in?

4)Jesus coming to the earth is something you can see if you live that long.



good for you extra hour

I found what I was talking about earlier.

It says that:

In early embryo there are two internal
duct systems
–Wolffian (male)
–Müllerian (female)

at 7 weeks in the mother's womb, undifferentiated gonads to develop
as testes or ovaries.

Genes on the Y Chromosome
• Cause the indifferent gonad to develop as
a testis

Once testes develop they secrete two
hormones
– Testosterone
–Müllerian Inhibiting Hormone (MIH)

Females Develop in the Absence of Y
• Embryonic gonads develop into an ovaries
• Testosterone not produced
–Wolffian system degenerates
• MIH is not produced
–Müllerian duct system develops to form
oviduct, uterus and parts of the vagina

Maybe it goes like this:

Sicne the common denominator of Islam and Christianity is Judaism and the Jews are supposed to be the "chosen one"...

...when the hell did i say id accept anything?


er right i should look for it now huh...heaps of it around now huh...sure yeah gotcha yeah


still have no idea what video your talking about? are you talking about a movie? anyone know what hes talking about here?


what makes you think hes gonna come?

You are the one who is questioning how we get variation if we are all from the same human.

I'm saying that scientists say that we are from the same origin anyway.

You didn't tell me what country you are in.

Havn't you heard of those bloody pagan societies that worship the devil?

No I'm not talking about a movie. I'm talking about a recording of an exorcism.

If you want to see a movie go see the excorcist that's been described as close to the real thing.


Prophet MuHammad told us that Prophet Jesus is gonna come. He wasn't crucified, he was raised to the 2nd sky.

Now he's gonna tell me : what do u mean the second sky?

The sky we see when we look up is the 1st sky. Above it is the 2nd.

No scientist has been up there so why would i believe them about the structure of the skies?

All they know about is some about space which is below the first sky.



It actually goes like this:

judaism developed after Prophet Moses. Prophet Moses preached the belief about God as all Prophets did. He was sent with a Divine Book: the original Torah.

It got changed and so did a lot of stuff - by people - and became known as judaism.

Same story for christianity and the original bible.

But Prophet MuHammad's nation didn't change the Qur'aan. The Qur'aan is protected from ever being changed and the manuscripts of it are kept in museums.

Prophet MuHammad's nation are the ones that are still on the belief that the Messengers of God taught.

I'll tell you why I'm not using the quote feature.

It's because it takes long lol

and also makes the post long.

and it is for getting nitty gritty.

I don't think we are understanding each other enough to get lost in nitty gritty now.

But if you really really want me to use the quote feature then I will.

But it would be really good if you told me how to use the quote feature in an easy way.

Usually I keep having to copy and paste the command so that i can divide the quotes up. Am I doing it the long way? Is there some kind of neat trick ?

wha? i am the one who is question how we get variation if we are all from the same human? uh wha? when did i say that? where did i say that? you sure your not mixing me up with someone else? if not find my post that actually have me question how we get cariation if we are all from the same human..


well good for you that you say that scientist say that we are from the same origin?


others would of think that under my cute avatar lies the answer to that question but since you probably didnt see it due to the cuteness of my avatar im from the states.


er not really are you refering to satanists those creepy gothic peeps?...more importantlly what the hell do that got to do with anything..


a recording of an exorcism huh well im sure if it was big ill run into it..


yeah ive seens the first and the last..i think it was very funny especially when the little girl wanted sex rofl..anyways close to the real thing? wow real thing now huh wow

wait he told us now huh was it through email spam cause i empty mines everyday. hold on now..ive just freaking realized that your muslim huh wow..wow where was I man oh man holy $hit ive just realize that your a girl too oh man...
because of my chilvarious nature im gonna apologize for any offences that i might have commited and i will have to bid you good day madame

ok great kila cali means the states now loool
Just kidding



I'm referring to all those weird people that are common in australia and i would expect in the states too as they are common in many other places around the world. The reason I mentioned them is that if you want to see weird things then your gonna find it from weird people.



He told us when he was alive by Revelation and the news passed on. Us here was used by me to mean Muslims.



It's not chivalrous to swear.

thanks for the apology.

Yes , it is also my question. This person is writing alot about something that doesn't exist cannot create itself. If the creater of his god exist then someone must created god, but like he said something that doesn't exist cannot create itself. May the human mind created his god. Its the believer of his God that created his God only in their minds thou. Answer his question !! Who created your God. Did man created your god?

Whichever u believe in.

YOur explaination only shows that your God only exist in the minds of the believer. Everything you explain here is an explaination of a state which is in the mind. In the mind there are no begginning and time. In the state of mind nothing can fill it. In the state of mind there are no endings just like a memory that are past on from generations to generations. In this case your god is in the state of mind of the believer and the believer are the creaters of your God. In this case your heaven and hell is a state of mind that can never filled up. All this leds to your God is in your state of mind and heaven is a state of happiness in the mind . So this means your God is not real but something like beattle juice . It is only in the mind , it is not real and cannot be proven.



So when people get sick is it better to take them to church and not hosipital? Do you take a person that needs a surgery to church and have god heal him. Will that person not need surgery? If its that powerful why not take all the ill people in the hospital to church instead so they can get healed. Why not tell all the powerful people at church to go and heal all the people in the hospital.

So in other words you think that a chalk and a board can come together by nature and "naturally" write something???

What is written will have a size, shape, colour - all these happened rather than others - the one who wrote it is the one who specified it as such.

If you will say that by chance the world turned out like this then it is as if you are saying: by chance writing appeared on the board in a certain size, shape & colour "naturally".

Here's a proof for the existence of heaven
lol

There are 3 mental Judgements:

Mental necessity (the mind deduces that it must exist): God and His Attributes of Godhood.

Mental permissibility (the mind accepts that it could exist and that it could not exist): e.g. the existence of humans, animals, plants, etc.

Mental impossibility: the mind deduces that it can not exist. e.g. A partner to God.

The proof that there is only 1 God is that an Attribute of Godhood is that He has Power over everything and Destined everything. Each thing that happens now could not happen in a certain specific way unless it was Destined to happen that way. If someone said there is a God who destined it a different way then the answer would be that if it didn't happen the way he willed then obviously that is an attribute which contradicts Godhood.

The mind has a limit to its imagination. Its imagination is made up of things similar to what it sees everyday such as colours, shapes, beginnings, all of it creations.

The mind can not imagine God because He is not subject to shape, colour, place, size, etc. But the mind can deduce His Existence. The mind deduces that there is no creation without the Creator.



The doctor is a reason for being cured. The medicine is also a reason for being cured. God made this world in such a way that the result usually comes after the reason. For some special people, being cured can happen without a medicine. For example, many people got cured when they sought the blessings of the hairs of Prophet MuHammad. Even a lady who had cancer and was told that she only had a few more days to live, she found out that some people have kept the Prophet's hair and she sought blessings from it. When they checked for the cancer again it was gone alHamdulillaah.

I'm not saying don't go to the hospital but some people might take many medicines and it might not cure them.

omfgod @ related to religion so it cant be explained...thats evidence that theres no logic in religion. if it cant be explained why are you trying to explain it to me? again terrible logic... if it rained on the ground directly, the ground would have been destroyed? wth. how do they read the layers in todays world? does it or does it not rain? of course came from rain! even if the ground released its water, it should still show some type of a big flood! man your contracdictin yourself. im done with you. i knew i shouldnt have replied to religion bs.





yes men usually have nipples but its worthless. not like a lady where she can feed breast milk to her baby. what i was trying to say is its a type of morphologic like birds that have wings but cant fly. - evolution. that proves to me why this god is crazy. there is no explanation why a guy would have nipples. so just plz dont reply back. all your going to say is god did this and that. and it makes no sense.i think your nuts.

Had you read what I wrote you would have realised that Islamically suicide bombing is wrong. Those wahhabis, and so- called tahriris and so-called JI not only make the mistake of suicide bombing but their teachings contradict the basics of Islaam. When they die they don't go to heaven, they go to hell because they are astray from the true beliefs of Islaam.

Just a note, Angels are a distinct creation from humans. Angels don't come about because someone died. They already are created by God.

The person who goes to Paradise is the one who believed in what the Messengers of God conveyed and not what he desired to misunderstand and believe.



It can't be explained by any current theory that means the theory is wrong like hello.

No it is not a condition that it must leave a trace, afterall it happened many thousands of years ago.

Don't reply to Religion because you are not good at it - you swear too much and you don't think thoroughly b4 you post.



So what are you trying to say that men evolved nipples?

Actually by the looks of you I don't want to know your answer.

These are mere assertions. You have no evidence a God created anything. Prior to the formation of stars and their subsequent deaths, a great number of elements in the universe never existed. It was from these stars that these elements were "created." Without the stars, these elements would not be. That's the story. Period. You just want to say, "Yes, well, God created the stars and so (indirectly) God created these star-stuff elements." Please refer to my signature.



I don't accept your premise.



Well, you have absolutely zero evidence that there is a god and that this god creates in this way. You can push off your definitions until you have to leap off into your faith all you want, but you're not going to convince anyone. At least, however, you admit that God doesn't create such things a nickel and iron. Such creations are done completely divorced of his meddling hands.