which religion do you think is most logical?
christianity
judaism
islam
buddhism
taoism
confucism
shintoism
amnism
any other

Daoism.

God please forgive me....

But I think Buddhism is.

Those religion are all man-made.
Except for Judaism,Christianity and Islam.

What?

If Judaism, Christianity and Islam are not man-made, what are they?
(drum roll, please)

God-created given to people on earth via the prophets.

Really? How do you go about giving evidence of this?

Has Afif fallen into skepticguy's web?

off topic

the girl in your sig is pretty good looking

Do you know that according to your religion, there were 124.000 Prophets ? What religion/s did they bring to the people ???

Shhh.

That is me...lol Thanks.

coughing ....coughing




Hamm...hmmm mmm

well those 3 are also men's made sorry to be the one to have to say it ...
now everyone will hate me ..lol




what i ment to say is actually...

But im not the only one!!
(who thinks its a mens made)

athiesm

Definitely not in my mind.

Religion isn't meant to be logical stupid. Pragmatic, maybe. But not logical.

That's a very good observation. I'm reading a book right now, "Religion Explained," by Pascal Boyer, and what I've covered so far would seem to support what you're saying, sunset. I wish I had the book with me right now, I'd quote from a page I just read last night which echos what you wrote. I'll try to remember to bring it in to work tomorrow. Good stuff.

Buddhism. Its more of a philosophy.

so all of a sudden just pop out of no where god, then he create two white people who had sex with each other and give birth to sons and miraculously they had children with something to form all the people across the land. religion is a philosphy and people believe in it to cease their fears and imagine something else is there, anyone who is religous does it because they want to believe, i know i do.

Funniest post today

Here is my logic:

If one goes to a desert and finds no house built, would one wait for sand to turn into bricks and be laid to form a house without a builder? A person who waits for this to happen would be mad. Therefore, what can one say when looking at the universe with all its planets, stars and sun? It is obvious that it has to have a Creator, just as you cannot have a house without a builder, you cannot have a universe without a Creator.

There are things that are possible to the mind and things which are impossible to the mind. For example, it is impossible for the mind to accept that the world could fit into a normal sized cup. However, it is possible for the mind to accept that the cup could be made large enough for the world to fit inside it.

People who deny the existence of God can be classified into three categories. Firstly, those who believe the universe created itself; secondly, those who believe the universe was created by nature and finally, those who believe the universe happened by chance or coincidence.

For those who claim the universe created itself, are claiming a logical contradiction. For example, if someone claims Mr. X created himself, that would mean that Mr. X had to exist before being created to be a creator and then was brought into existence again to be a creation! Like hello he is either already existing or not existing yet and then created by other than him.

Another example to clarify this point is if someone was in a room and knows there is a book on the table. When this person leaves the room and knows that no one will enter it and when he returns he finds the book on the chair. Would he accept the book moved by itself? The answer is simply "No", because we all know that books cannot move by themselves. In the same way creating is not an attribute of the universe itself.

For those who claim the universe was created by nature, it is obvious that nature is a part of the universe. Since nature is a part of the universe, it is as if they are claiming a part of the universe created the entire universe! These people are referred back to those who claim the universe created itself and we have already proven this cannot be the case. Another example to clarify this point is when one sees a table; can that table make another table? The answer is simply "No".

As for the BIG BANG theory where they claim that the entire universe was formed by a single particle. Whoever believes in this BIG BANG theory is easily cornered by this question: "Who created this so-called single particle to begin with?" Obviously as proven above it can't create itself.

As for those who maintain the idea that the universe existed by chance. There once was a teacher who was teaching his students that the universe happened by chance without a Creator. One of his students knew that this was not true, so when lunchtime began the teacher and his students went to lunch except the student who knew what the teacher had said was not true. He stayed back and wrote on the blackboard in big writing: "OUR TEACHER IS A DONKEY", before going to lunch. When the teacher and his students came back from lunch, the teacher saw the writing on the blackboard and asked his students: "Which one of you wrote this?" None of the students replied. Pointing at the blackboard he yelled: "Who wrote this about me?" Still none of the students answered. Then the teacher got very angry and told them that they would all have to stay back after class until an answer was given. The student that wrote it stood up and asked: "What makes you think that one of us wrote it?" The teacher replied: "It is impossible that the writing on the blackboard just happened by chance, someone had to write it!" The student replied to the teacher telling him: "You are teaching us the universe happened by chance without a Creator, but you cannot accept that the writing on the blackboard appeared without a writer!" The teacher was shocked and had nothing to say. It is enough proof for anyone to see the perfect order and precision the universe is in, which becomes obvious that such order cannot happen by chance or coincidence.

I've never seen anyone go and create a tree. Seems to become a member of the forest through very natural means.

May I ask what kind of 'creator' wouldn't give bats hollow bones like he gave birds? Why create billions of worlds out there no one will ever know about? I've got a lot more questions, but maybe we can start with just these few. I'll turn up the heat if this shows promise.



Step into my parlor, friend!

Answer this:

1. Who created the Creator?

Should I really say more ...

Islam.

Volumes.

Christianity with out doubt. Please understand I'm answering to logic not to truth or best.

Protestantism is the most logical theologically out of Christianity, whereas Catholicism and Orthodoxy are more sacramental or mysterious. However Catholicism and Orthodoxy are more logical when it comes to history - that is not just the place of history in man but the historical roots of the Church herself - in this sphere Protestantism approaches history not by the foundation or first floor, but rather by jumping out the second story window.

Given the frequency of the Orthodox Church and her faithful to point out an critizes the Catholic Church and Western Church (Western: being Catholic & Protestant) for being to logical, and for Catholicism to have begun the process and era of to much logic, which resulted in the herey of Protestantism they would say, I fell I would not be to far off base by listing the three streams of Christianity in terms of approaching theology the most logical being: first, Protestants; second, Catholics; thirdly, Orthodox.

Christianity inherited and assimilated Greek system of logical thought most out of all religion. It can be seen most especially through the entire dynamics of Western (Western Christendom) growth. From dress, to formation of economy, to Western way a warfare, to her art. Western art throughout Christian nurturing evolved and became scientific, just like her economy and warfare, and eventual "scientific revolution."

This is not to say the East never contributed technologically or scientifically to the advancements of the world. But the West took to adaption and evolution and systematic thought unlike any other region of the world. One can just look at the history of dress fashion in the West and how often it evolved in comparision to say some place like Afganistan which retains dress fashion that is hundreds of years old if not thousands of years old.

Christianity - most especially Western Christianity - inherited and assimilated into her Roman system of law, It was through Catholicism after the fall of Rome to the barbarian Germans that the Roman law system was retained - per canon law in the Church - and spread into the secularized elements of society.



"Eastern religions" are more esoteric. Though profound many of them are, their less than systematic logical thought to theology or philosophy would never be tolerated within the modern circles of Christian theologians today. Many "Eastern religions," with perhaps the exception of Islam, tend to say a lot of flowery things in their theology which gives the impression of saying more than it does. Like saying something like: The swan sways west and east before the triple folds of the heaven allows the illumination of the superb celestial sun. "Eastern religions" theological writings tend to way heavier on emotional sway and on allowing the actual reader to do most of the thinking and figures out if you will. Which is not without benefit and perhaps in some ways superior to the logical theology of Christianity. However [b]just on the issue of logic[/i] Christianity is more systematic, less emotional, and approaches questions and problems in her theological writings much more mathematical. And math as we all know is quite logical and requires no emotional based sway and flowery language at all. 2 + 2 = 4 regardless if the swan sways west or east or no matter how many "triple folds" be in the heavens.





Sir Issac Newton wouldn't think so. And the fact that the official atheist Soviet Government persecuted medical scientist that asserted "evolution" certainly doesn't prove athiesm superior in reason and intellect than religion or religious followers.

To my knowledge the Soviet Empire was the only official atheist empire to ever exist in recorded human history. Certainly the Soviets accomplished a number of good things, but they also had their failures.

I am trying to learn more about Buddhism. I think I like what I have learned so far but I am just starting.

Feudalism if anything drastically conflicts to the teachings of Christianity. Why would God want the followers of Moses yet again trapped as serfs in poverty essentially benefitting little from a manipulative system. Feudalism evolved into capitalism which multiplies yet again the amount of "God's sheep" being manipulated by the system. Yet clearly, the world seems to worry more about money than morals. Didn't Jesus say, rich men don't enter heaven? We live in a society that has enough weapons to destroy the world several times over, yet we continue to quietly support further weapons research. What exactly are these weapons for? What exactly are we protecting? Logically asserting that some Creator created us so we could commit suicide in the worst possible way is an extremely weak argument.

You're trying to ascertain that the Western way of doing things is logical. I don't think it is. Explain further what you mean by this.

Arabs, during early Islam, were actually the ones that revived and preserved Greek thought. You could say Islam had it's own Renaissance before the West. They even expanded on it. It was not until later in the Dark Ages that Christian monks and scientists also began cultivating the scientific revolution. The fact that these monks were Christian, I believe, is a wrong premise to associate Christianity with the technological prowess of the West. It is the fact that these monks could read and write. They could read, write and understand the Greek thought. During the writing of the Bible, they thought, "hey, this Greek stuff sounds pretty cool, let me incorporate it with Christianity while I'm writing this Bible." If these Western monks could read, write and were Muslims, I presume, the scientific revolutions would've have occured anyway. It has nothing to do with any specific religion. If anything Christianity acted as an inspiration.

people wait for bricks, haha.

Trees don't come about by themselves. The first trees were created by God and the later ones were from seeds of trees.

Trees don't just spring out of the ground by themselves. There has to be a seed or otherwise it would have been created (brought from non-existence into existence by the Creator).

God creates things with wisdom - even though your small mind that doesn't even know the number of hairs on your own body doesn't get it.


No thing with specifications can exist on its own - it must have a Creator which specified it with those particular specifications rather than any others.

God - THE Creator is not subject to such specifications. He Exists without a size, body, shape or colour. He is not created because He is not subject to specifications.

He Existed Eternally (without a beginning) and eveything else was created by Him.

God's Existence was not preceeded by non-existence. No creation can ever have this attribute of being without a beginning because there was a point in time when the creation did not exist. God, the Creator of time, is not subject to time. He Existed Eternally before it without it.

Only the Creator who specified each creation with its specifications Exists without being created (i.e. He Exists without non-existence preceding His Existence).

You would also have to acknowledge that this Creator deliberately causes genocides, hurricanes, monsoons, wars, famines and other plights of humanity.

If you assume the Creator is all-good and intelligent, these causes of human misery are completely unnecessary.

If you assume he is all bad, well you don't have much on an argument.

If you assume he is somehere in between, this compromises his intelligence.

God created this world and sent Messengers to the people as a mercy.

They told us that this world is the place of hard work, patience and calamity for the one who wants to gain a lot of reward through patience.

This world is not Paradise.

In Paradise is the place of no sickness, no hurricane, no other calamities or any distress.

This world is not Paradise, nor was it meant to be.

as a mercy rofl hahha mercy hahahhahahahhahah rofl


they huh er right....rewards dont appear out of thin air...you wont gain anything much through patience.. you have to put in work to get some.... risk a little..


it can be paradise if you wish it to be...it will be paradise when you create it yourself..


paradise isnt paradise when there isnt anything interesting going on,,,,,it would be a boring @$$ place, stagnant in a cruel and twisted paradise where you have to obey lords like a good dawggie. oh btw how would u know what paradise is like have you been there or have u just read about it?


refer to above statements...eye of the beholder mang...


oh yeah on the realz i find your preaching...really fu-king annoying and thats my honest opinion
ps purple haze mang

Buddhism- they don't need brainwashing like Christianity.

It's pretty obvious that those three religion that I have mentioned earlier are God-given. If you study theology,you should know this. They made distinction between God-given religion and culture-based religion.
By the way, I am sure you already knew about this. Maybe you are just pretending to be ignorant just for the sake of an argument.Right?

It's pretty obvious that those three religions which tengkuafif mentioned earlier are JEW and ARAB given. If you study theology,you should know this. Brainwashed people make an odd distinction between Jew-given religions and culture-based religion.
By the way, I am sure you already knew about this. Maybe you are just pretending to be ignorant just for the sake of an argument.Right?

i think the basic concept behind religion is to make it possible for a group of few people to rule the rest



and its a rather Whorish thing to do if u ask me

Putting in work IS patience. That's what I was saying - this world is a place of work for those who want Paradise.

You have a narrow mind when it comes to pleasure. You can't prevent diseases from coming to you or tiredness. Hence, this world is not Paradise.

Did you go to Paradise to know that nothing interesting goes on. Paradise contains what each pious person who makes it in desires. There is no boredom. The moment you desire something like a fruit for example IT comes to you. There is also no going to the toilet or vommitting.

I relate what the Messengers of God taught us. They came with miracles and that is extra-ordinary events that can not be discredited.

It is logical to believe a person who performs such a miracle.

For example, Prophet Jesus wiping over the blind man's eyes and his sight returning to him. Also, by God's Eternal & Everlasting Will, his resurrection of sam the son of Noah. Prophet Moses and his staff that turned into a snake and the magicians became believers in God because they knew it was not magic - it was a miracle.

You might now say how do you know that those things actually happened.

The answer is that how do we know about WW! and WW2? How do we know about the ancient egyptians? How do we know about anciant civilisations before them?

Some is by huge amounts of people passing the story on from generation to generation. Some is by manuscript, artefacts, etc.

It's illogical to say that WW1 is just a lie.

Weren't these three religions revealed by folks who went through shaman-like experiences to spread the word of their Gods?

Your list is pretty illogical in its sequence...here's the logical listing from Wiki:

Abrahamic religions

A group of monotheistic traditions sometimes grouped with one another for comparative purposes, because all refer to a patriarch named Abraham.

* Judaism (see also: Jew; Hebrews; Jewish Denominations)
o Contemporary divisions
+ Rabbinic Judaism
# Orthodox Judaism
* Modern Orthodox Judaism
* Haredi Judaism
* Hassidic Judaism
+ Conservative Judaism (Masorti) (classified by adherents as Rabbinic, but not by non-adherents)
+ Reform Judaism (classified by adherents as Rabbinic, but not by non-adherents)
+ Reconstructionist Judaism (claims Judaism is a culture, not always identified as a religion)
+ Humanistic Judaism (atheistic, not always identified as a religion)
+ Karaite Judaism
o Historical groups
+ Essenes
+ Pharisees (became Rabbinic/Orthodox Judaism)
+ Sadducees
+ Zealots
# Sicarii
+ Sects that believed Jesus was a prophet
# Ebionites
# Elkasites
# Nazarenes
* Christianity (see List of Christian denominations)
o Eastern Orthodoxy
o Roman Catholicism
o Oriental Orthodoxy
+ Monophysitism
+ Nestorianism
o Arianists
+ Arian Catholicism
+ Unitarians
o Protestantism
o High Protestantism
+ Lutherans
+ Anglicans
+ Calvinist sects
# Reformed
# Presbyterian
o Low Protestantism
+ Methodists (from the Anglicans)
+ Baptists (from the Calvinists)
o Radical Low Protestantism
+ Anabaptists
# Mennonites
# Amish
# Religious Society of Friends (Quakers, quasi-Anabaptist)
+ Evangelicalism (non-denominational)
+ Pentecostals (charismatic)
o Apostolic Churches
o Unitarians
o Waldensians
o Latter-day Saints
+ Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
+ Community of Christ
+ Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
o Seventh-day Adventist
o Jehovah's Witnesses
o Mama Tata
o Messianic Judaism (Only identified as Judaism by adherents and Christian missionaries; actually Jewish-rite Christianity)
* Islam (see Divisions of Islam)
o Kharijites
o Shiite
+ Alawites
+ Ismailis
+ Jafari
+ Zaiddiyah
o Ghulat including
+ Alevi / Bektashi
+ Ahl-e Haqq
+ Yazidi
+ Druze
+ Ahmadi
o Sunni
+ Berailvi
+ Deobandi
+ Hanafi
+ Hanbali
+ Maliki
+ Mu'tazili
+ Shafi'i
+ Wahhabi
o Sufism
+ Naqshbandi
+ Bektashi
+ Chishti
+ Mevlevi
+ Tijani
o Zikri
* Bahá'í
o Bahá'í Faith
o Orthodox Bahá'í Faith
* Mandaeanists

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Dharmic religions

Religions with a concept of Dharma, also major religions of historical India. Most are monotheistic or monistic, though it is commonly thought they are polytheistic.

* Hinduism (see also Contemporary Hindu movements)
o Agama Hindu Dharma (Javanese Hinduism)
o Shaivism
o Shaktism
o Smartism
o Vaishnavism
o Lingayatism
+ Gaudiya Vaishnavism
# ISKCON (Hare Krishna)
# Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mission
o Reform movements
+ Arya Samaj
+ Brahmo Samaj
o Six major schools and movements of Hindu philosophy
+ Samkhya
+ Nyaya
+ Vaisheshika
+ Purva mimamsa
+ Vedanta (Uttar Mimamsa)
# Dvaita Vedanta
# Advaita Vedanta
# Integral Yoga
+ Yoga
# Ashtanga Yoga
# Hatha yoga
# Siddha Yoga
# Tantric Yoga
* Ayyavazhi
* Shramana Religions
o Buddhism (see Schools of Buddhism)
+ Mahayana
+ Nikaya schools (which have historically been called Hinayana in the West)
# Theravada
+ Vajrayana (Tantric Buddhism)
o Jainism
+ Digambara
+ Shvetambara
* Panth Religions
o Sikhism
+ Nirankari
o Kabir Panth
o Dadu Panth

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Other revealed religions

Believers in one God, also called classical monotheism, who follow an Indo-European culture of belief, philosophy and angelology.

* Zoroastrianism
o Magus (see Three Wise Men)
* Gnosticism
o Basilidians
o Bogomils
o Borborites
o Cainites
o Carpocratians
o Cathars
o Marcionism (not entirely Gnostic)
o Ophites
o Valentinians (see Valentinius)
* Hermeticism
* Vaishnavism (a variant of Hinduism)
* Digitalism

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Indigenous religions

The orally transmitted canon of indigenous peoples, many involving some variant of animism and many defunct

* African religions
o Akamba mythology
o Akan mythology
o Ashanti mythology
o Bushongo mythology
o Bwiti
o Dahomey mythology
o Dinka mythology
o Efik mythology
o Egyptian mythology
o Ibo mythology
o Isoko mythology
o Khoikhoi mythology
o Lotuko mythology
o Lugbara mythology
o Pygmy mythology
o Tumbuka mythology
o Yoruba mythology
o Zulu mythology
+ African diaspora religions
# Kumina
# Obeah
# Santería (Lukumi)
# Vodou
# Candomblé
# Macumba
# Umbanda
# Quimbanda

* European religions
o Anglo-Saxon mythology
o Basque mythology
o Druidry (Celtic Religion)
o Finnish mythology
o Germanic paganism
+ Norse mythology
o Greek religion
+ Greek mythology
+ Mystery religions
# Eleusinian Mysteries
# Mithraism
# Pythagoreanism
o Roman religion
+ Roman mythology
o Slavic mythology
* Asian religions
o Babylonian and Assyrian religion
+ Babylonian mythology
+ Chaldean mythology
+ Sumerian mythology
o Bön (Indigenous Tibetan belief)
o Chinese mythology
o Shinto
+ Oomoto
o Tengriism (Indigenous Mongol, Tartar & Kazakh belief)
o Yezidis (Modified indigenous Kurdish belief)
* Native American religions
o Abenaki mythology
o Aztec mythology
o Blackfoot mythology
o Chippewa mythology
o Creek mythology
o Crow mythology
o Guarani mythology
o Haida mythology
o Ho-Chunk mythology
o Huron mythology
o Inuit mythology
o Iroquois mythology
o Kwakiutl mythology
o Lakota mythology
o Lenape mythology
o Navaho mythology
o Nootka mythology
o Pawnee mythology
o Salish mythology
o Selk'nam religion
o Seneca mythology
o Tsimshian mythology
o Ute mythology
o Zuni mythology
* Oceanic religions
o Australian Aboriginal mythology
o Balinese mythology
o Maori mythology
o Modekngei (Republic of Palau)
o Nauruan indigenous religion
o Polynesian mythology

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Neopagan or revival religions

Modern religions seeking to recreate indigenous, usually pre-Christian, beliefs and practices

* Church of All Worlds
* Dievturiba
* Germanic neopaganism
o Ásatrú
o Heathenry
o Odinism
o Theodism
o Wotanism
* Hellenic polytheism (modern revivalist forms)
* Kemetic polytheism (modern revivalist forms)
* Judeo-Paganism
* Maausk
* Neo-druidism
* Summum
* Taarausk
* Wicca
o Alexandrian Wicca
o Dianic Wicca (Feminist Wicca)
o Gardnerian Wicca
o Faery Wicca
o Feri Tradition

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Non-revealed religions

Philosophies not transmitted by a divine prophet

* Carvaka
* Confucianism
* Deism
* Ethical Culture
* Fellowship of Reason
* Spiritual Humanism
* Mohism
* Taoism

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Left-Hand Path religions

Faiths teaching that the ultimate goal is separating consciousness from the universe, rather than being absorbed by it

* Dragon Rouge
* Satanism
o LaVeyan Satanism
+ Church of Satan
o Order of Nine Angles
* Setianism also spelled Sethianism
o Temple of Set
o The Storm
* Quimbanda
* Luciferianism

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Syncretic religions

Faiths created from blending earlier religions or that consider all or some religions to be essentially the same

* Arès Pilgrim Movement
* Cao Dai
* Falun Dafa (Falun Gong)
* Huna
* Konkokyo
* Manichaeism
* Unitarian Universalism
* Universal Life Church
* Tenrikyo
* Theosophy
* Seicho-No-Ie

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Entheogen religions

Religions based around divinely inspiring substances

* Ayahuasca-based beliefs
* Church of the Universe
* Matrixism: the path of the One
* Peyotism
* THC Ministry
* Bwiti

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New religious movements

See List of new religious movements for a list based on other sources

See hereunder for religions founded since 1850 with small followings

Monotheistic NRMs

* Direct Worship of the Actual God
* The Urantia Book movement

Indigenous NRMs

* Burkhanism
* Cargo cults
* Ghost Dance
* Native American Church

African Diaspora / Latin American NRMs

* Rastafari movement
* Umbanda
* Candomble

Hindu-oriented NRMs

* Sai Baba/Sathya Sai Organisation
* Hare Krishna
* Transcendental Meditation
* Sant Mat
* Swaminarayan
* Vedanta Society
* Osho/Rajneeshism
* Oneness University
* Aum Shinrikyo (Aleph)
* Eckankar
* Ananda Marga

NRMs with Islamic Roots

* Subud
* Ahmadi
* Dances of Universal Peace
* Nation of Islam (Black Muslims)

NRMs With Jewish Roots

* Judeo-Paganism
* Jewish Buddhists
* Black Hebrews

Christian-oriented NRMs

* Unification Church
* Jesus movement
* Kardecist Spiritism
* Children of God
* Peoples Temple
* Pentecostalism
* Holiness movement
* Iglesia ni Cristo

Buddhist-oriented NRMs

* Soka Gakkai
* Won Buddhism
* Hoa Hao
* Friends of the Western Buddhist Order
* Jewish Buddhists

Chinese-oriented NRMs

* Way of Former Heaven sects, including
o I-Kuan Tao ("Way of Unity"),
o T'ung-shan She ("Society of Goodness"),
o Tien-te Sheng-chiao ("Sacred Religion of Celestial Virtue"),
o Daoyuan ("Sanctuary of the Tao"),
o Tz'u-hui Tang ("Compassion Society").
* Falun Gong ("Dharma Wheel Work," a qigong meditation group)

NRMs with Japanese Roots

* Tenrikyo
* Seicho no Ie
* Johrei (Johrei Movement - Sekai Kyusei Kyo Izunome Kyodan)
* Reiki
* Oomoto
* Soka Gakkai
* Aum Shinrikyo (Aleph)

Korean-oriented NRMs

* Chondogyo
* Jeung San Do
* Juche (The personality cult of North Korean leaders)
* Unification Church

Vietnamese-oriented NRMs

* Cao Dai
* Hoa Hao

Malaysian-Oriented NRMs

* Sky Kingdom

Western Magical / Esoteric Groups

* Kardecist Spiritism
* Theosophy
* Agni Yoga
* Association for Research and Enlightenment
* Church Universal and Triumphant
* Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn
* Gurdjieff Work
* Spiritualism
* Eckankar
* Thelema
o Argenteum Astrum
o Fraternitas Saturni
o Ordo Templi Orientis
o Typhonian Ordo Templi Orientis
* Process Church of the Final Judgement
* Order of the Solar Temple

White Supremacist Religions

* Church of Jesus Christ Christian
* World Church of the Creator (Creativity Movement)
* Church of the American Knights of the Ku Klux Klan [1]

Black Supremacist Religions

* Nuwaubianism

Alien-based religions

* The Aetherius Society [2]
* Raelism
* Scientology
o Church of Scientology
o Free Zone (Scientology)
* Universe people

Other NRMs

* Antoinism
* Breatharianism (Air cult)
* Elan Vital
* Faithists of Kosmon
* Virus, The Church of

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Parody or mock religions

Groups that poke fun at other religions or religion in general

* Discordianism
* Church of the SubGenius (The cult of Bob Dobbs)
* Church of Jesus Christ Elvis
* Church of Emacs
* Fictional religions turned Parody
o Bokononism
o Jedi census movement
o Iglesia Maradoniana (The cult of former Argentinian soccer player Diego Maradona)
* Flying Spaghetti Monster (Pastafarianism)
* Invisible Pink Unicorn
* Kibology
* McMahonism

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Other religions or belief systems

* Animism
* Ditheism (Dualism)
o Monolatrism
* Humanism - non-theistic belief system
o Secular Humanism
* Maltheism
* Monism
* Monotheism
* Omnism
* Pandeism
* Panendeism
* Panentheism
* Pantheism
o Cosmotheism
* Polytheism
o Henotheism
o Kathenotheism
o Polydeism
* Psychonautics
* Rationalism - non-theistic belief system
* Shamanism
* Suitheism

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Nonsectarian and trans-sectarian religious or spiritual movements and practices
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Esotericism

* Alchemy
* Anthroposophy
* Esoteric Christianity
* Freemasonry
* Gnosticism
* Hermeticism
* Kabbalah
* Occultism
* Rosicrucian
o Ancient Mystical Order Rosae Crucis
o Confraternity of the Rose Cross
o Rosicrucian Fellowship
* Surat Shabda Yoga

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Mysticism

* Christian mysticism
o Gnosticism
* Hindu mysticism
o Tantra
+ Ananda Marga Tantra-Yoga
o Yoga
o Bhakti
o Vedanta
* Kabbalah (also part of Judaism)
o Kabbalah Centre
* Martinism
* Merkabah (also part of Judaism)
* Meditation
* Spirituality
* Sufism
* Theosophy
* Meher Baba

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Magic (religion)

* Astrology
* Divination
o Prophecy
* Exorcism
* Faith healing
* Feng Shui
* Hoodoo (Rootwork)
o New Orleans Voodoo
* Magick
o Chaos magick
o Enochian Magic
o Grimoire magick
o Goetic magick
* Miracles
* Pow-wow
* Seid (shamanic magic)
* Vaastu Shastra (Hinduism)
* Witchcraft

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Ritualism

* Prayer
* Sacrifice
o Animal sacrifice
o Human sacrifice
* Worship

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Organizations promoting Ecumenism

* Dances of Universal Peace
* Interreligious organisations

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Non-belief systems (lack of religion)

* Agnosticism - inconclusive belief in god(s)
* Atheism - disbelief in god(s) (Hard atheism is active disbelief in any deity; soft atheism is not accepting the idea of theism until better evidence for it can be produced.)

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Systems claiming not to be religions, but which have characteristics of religion

* Communism
* Juche


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_religions

Incorrect. He is specifically a creator instead of a destroyer. He specifically (supposedly) has a benevolent character instead of an evil character. God is described by a wide variety of specifics. Therefore, according to your definition, God must have had a creator. So, who was it?



Nature has existed eternally. There was no "time" prior to the split infinity of a second following the Big Bang. So, for as long as there has been "time", the universe has existed. Asking what "happened" prior to the Big Bang is as nonsensical as asking what is "north" of the North Pole, or stating something is "south" of Alpha Centari.

i would say atheism is the most logic one, or science for that matter. Yeah science is a good one.

Science doesn't necessarily have to be atheistic. Science doesn't address the existence (or non-existence) of God or anything of the supernatural. Such questions simply are not open to scientific scrutiny (despite the fact that some numbskull creationists and IDCers believe that there is direct "evidence" in the natural world of a god or an "intelligent designer"). That leaves scientists open to pursue their fields of study while maintaining a belief in God. Many of them believe they are simply uncovering the tools God used to make the natural world. So, for example, a biologist could fully accept the fact that species have evolved over hundreds of millions of years and see evolution as one of the ways God "creates." Of course, a good scientists will admit they have no DIRECT evidence that evolution was used by God, but there certainly is no conflict (with science) in believing so. I happen to think there are other conflicts but that's beside the point.

^ alright, just atheism then, happy?

skeptic and samsparky, u are gettinig bogged down with semantics.

Devil's in the details!

We're not actually discussing what is logical. We have merely shrunken to another Creationism/evolution/Big Bang debate which I find extremely boring since no progress can be made on this kind of question. There is an infinite number of possibilities to how the world began. Yes, like skeptic said, a Creator is definitely possible. Evolution and theism are definitely compatible positions.

However, I very much liked extra_hour's decision to change direction to how Christianity has directly affected human history. At least there we can actually derive some sort of empirical and logical results. Like I pointed out before, I think most religions are extremely flexible. The circumstances determine which face a religion will assume. Today, subsequently after the 9/11 attacks, most people see Islam as extremely rigid, but you fail to see the Arab countries have expressed plausible levels of liberalism in the past. Right now the Arab countries are in a particularly anti-West form. Therefore the religion will reflect this. I'm actually generalizing, there are a couple of liberal countries in the Middle East. Qatar comes to mind, with its liberal Westernizing. In fact there are plenty of Qataris that think Palestenians are just plain fu-king idiots. I was actually going to pretend to be for Palestine when I talked to them. I'm glad I didn't. This is why fundamentalists, moderates and liberals can all find some support in the same religion. This is why fundamentalist Catholicism of the Crusades and the Inquisition fundamentally transformed to missionaries and charities helping out the third world countries today. Christianity has slowly evolved to be compatible with the ideas of Spinoza, Locke, Rosseau etc.,

Samsparky's conception is to view God's logic as incomprehensible, which as an argument, I find extremely uninteresting. By sticking to quotes and descriptions from his book of worship, this merely shrouds any thread of truth. You don't give much room for your detractors to actually debate since we will always question the validity of your Holy Book in the first place.

It's better just to stick to history. My premise is that all religions are flexible enough to support any circumstance ranging from Nazism to liberalism. This is why I stated before, religion has nothing to do with logic.

You're not a theologian so I don't know why you delude yourself into believing you are one.

There is nothing of Feudalism - which was not eniterly bad since it had much of its premise on honor of one's word - which goes against the teachings of Christianity. Furthermore Feudalism occured largely to do with Germanic tribes steeped culture in the idealized great Chiefs.

And please tell me by your term "manipulative system" and said argument you are not attempting to pass yourself off as a sociologist whom also has studied Christian theology to the extent to thoroughly (sp?) know exactly what Christian theology states, teaches, and is inclined in thought. All economic systems in this world tied into labor are exploitive to some degree or "manipulative" if you prefer that word. That Christianity exhalts the consecrated Eucharist, which utilizes bread and wine, demonstrates in some small measure Christianity has never been against the processes of civilization or its attributes being that both bread and wine are food products that result upon human query, intellect, logic, and nurtured under the processes of civilization, as opposed to just eating an apple that falls from a tree.

It is Christian belief that men must suffer in this life, that people will labor in exercised energy, and that their labor may very well be by the sweet of their brow. Let me emphasize that I am speaking of Christian belief and not the belief of sunset rhyme as to what Jesus did or did not teach. Those are two different things.



That's not what Jesus said. Right here you demonstrate yourself to be an inadequate and untrained theologian by screwing up what Jesus said per Biblical passage. I'm not even a theologian, though I have read some theological works, and have tried to study up on the teachings of the Catholic faith, as well on the large history of Christianity, but even so I try to caution myself from over stepping my bounds of knowledge as pertains to Christian/Catholic theology and her teachings. There is something called wisdom which is to be distinguished from knowledge. It is wise to know ones self, or try to at least, and attempt to refrain from believing ones self from possessing more knowledge in a given area than they do.

First of all Jesus said a number of things, all of which can be construde at various times as him contradicting himself if one negates context, as such it is always wise to consider the greater body of Biblical work when attempting to discern singular passages. Having said that, Jesus is said in that Bible passage you speak of, to have said, in essence, that it is very hard for a rich man to enter heaven. This must be kept in context to his previous (or perhaps preceeding statement - as I'm operating off memory here) statement when queried by a rich man as to how to find salvation, Jesus tells him to find salvation all one has to do is follow the Ten Commandments, but that is he desires to be perfect he should sell all he owns and come follw him.

Hmmm [rubs chin] I do believe Christianity has monks like the Trappist and contemplative Nuns like the Carmalites, and even hermits who give up everything they have including their freedom to be subject by rule and obedience.



I never made the argument you are implying. And again you demonstrate yourself to an inadequate and untrained theologian. Given the precedence in which the Christian Just War Theory has loomed in Western society, emphasizing various elements of that theory in differing eras, it is impossible, or at least highly unlikely that a trained theologian worth his or her salt could negate or overlook the matter of Just War Theory. As I have argued more than once in my life, it is secularism and because of separtion of church and state, that the atomic bomb was created. Because had Germany or the United States been subject to the Inquistion the Pope would have ordered any leader or leaders creating a nuclear bomb disposed of.

But, morality aside (and their is a branch of theology called "moral theology"), the nuclear bomb is actually a perfect example of Western warfare and Western system of logic applied to warfare. The creation of the atomic bomb is actually an example of Western ways of war military historian Geoffry Parker uses. For greater comprehension on that consult Carl von Clauswitze (sp?). (Let me add that my suggestion has never been that Christianity continued to have a governing share in poewr like the state up to this day, but I have suggested that because of Western society ancestrial Christian thought patterns steeping a society in greater tradition of systematic logical thought, is an overwhelming reason why the West has dominated the globe militarily and scientifcially for a millineum or more.)

Further, never in my reply to the person that initiated the question: Which religion is more logical? (The underlined word being my emphasis) - Did I state or imply that a "Creator created us so we could commit suicide in the worst possible way," I simply answered the question as to which religion utilizes systematic logical thought more in its theachings and theological works. Although Christianity is actually an Eastern Religion, it has assimilated Greek logic or systematic logical thought, into her theology to a great deal, and Western Christianity moreso than Eastern Christianity. What's often refered to as "Eastern Religions" generally utilize flowerly language, much more emotional sway, and the use of parables (like Jesus often used for example).



I already have. Then you are free to reject matters of Western science or even her ways of warfare. You can adopt the Aztec system of ritualized fighting.

I think the historical evolution of Western art is a perfect example. Take ancient Egyptian art you see plastered all over the insides of their pyramids. For at least a thousand years their art retained by code, ritual formats. This is pretty much true of Japanese art and Buddhist art in the East ever before encountering the Christian West. Actually, it is even true of Eastern Christianity's iconographic art works. However with Western art work nutured under the moe logically inclined minded Western Christendom, realistic painting developled, study of gloss, gleam, shine, and how reflection works in the human optics developed facisnating evolutions in her paintings over time. How does one paint a mirror with a persons image in it? or the shine and reflection sun light can cause against a waxed apple or shined marble? Western art work under Christianity required constant query, observation, and study of how human optics work or at least percieve things. Under Western Christianity art work never remained limited to ritual format.



You are repeating half truths. St Augustine reconciled Greek Plato thought to Christian thought. Augustine lived before and after the fall of Rome the Germanic tribes so biasedly - and now outdated I might add - called the "Dark Ages." There is not a scholar around who can say Catholicism and Protestantsim has not been touched by Augustinian thought. For example it is Augustine who came up with the doctrine of "original sin" (though understood differently by Protestants and Catholics). Greek logic thought had been assimilated into Christianity long before Islam brought the abundance of lost Greek philosophy back to the West.

However, given Islams long historical appreciation for Greek philosophy, is why I stated in my first post that they might be exempted (sp?) from the other "Eastern Religions." Though Islam is iconographic and has never had the history developing the type of paintings in the West that required acute observational study of reflection, it has had the creation of beautiful geometrical art work which requires systematic logic.



Many cultures in the East could read and write prior to the grunting Anglo Saxons picking it up. The "scientific revolution" as I understand it, is most associated with Italy of the 1500's or so. Though I don't doubt the Renaissance (which was a term impossed on that era by some body in the 19th century I believe) was a cultural movement of huge and rare quality, I think it is exaggerated in its dislink and natural flow from the past. Like someone 1,000 years from now deciding when reading back on the time perido of the 1990's through year 2006, that because technology was advancing like ever before in humanistory or even the greater part of the 20th century that hence it must be evidence that the the 1990's had an untterly and total disconnect from the 1980's, 70's, 60's, 50's, 40's, 30's, and 20's. I just don't buy it. Further my human experience tells me such a presumption is less than accurate.

Jonathan Miller's book On Reflection, which is a book written about art and reflective quality such as through mirrors and shine, has had a big impact on me. Though the book is not about Christianity or even about Western ascent into logic, it has still illuminated for me the great amount of systematic logic and acute observation, as well as constant query, that was needed to go into the developement, production, and evolution of Western art work. As equal I'm convinced as any of the quoted "scientific revolution" involved in a man in the 15 or 1600's or so dropping two round objects to determine through observation and math that objects of differing mass fall at the same rate (or something like that, I might have screwed it up, all of science is not my strongest point). Jonathan Miller by the way has studied natural sciences at St John College, written for the New Yorker, and has been editor of the BBC arts programe Monitor. And is I remember correctly, I believe he is a medical doctor too. He certain goes into certain medical and psychological facts about human perception of reflection in his book.



But let me say: Just in how Western Christian theology utilizes systematic logic more than "Eastern Religions" theology and philosophies which tend to utilizes parables much more, in itself would qualify it as more logical a religion. But logic does not itself automatically mean truth or best like I pointed out in my first post. Hence Buddhism could very well contain more truth or be best.

Anyways, I can't keep arguing on things like this, at least not to this extent, as it takes to much time.

So I'm going to allow you the last word.

Not this this the place or time to get into this discussion, but I must respectfully disagree. John 18:20 / Mark 4:10-12

any philosophy of thought that steers clear of an external god is probably most logical as that would always be a subjective matter to nail down. however.

where it's internalised as an experiential state of mind, it seems humankind, in all their myraid differences, have all experienced the same transcendental sense of belonging to something which they call it in a thousand and one names, universal consciousness, ishvara, samadhi, god, enlightenment, tao, nirvana etc etc..

what is interesting is how the buddhists are trying to get neuroscientists to verify the state of this mind. if they manage to nail it down to a pill, I'll be the first to buy it, logical or not!