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tangawizi
I am now so into Hindi movies...can anyone give any recommendations of acclaimed historical hindi movies?
Jhangora
Mughal-E-Azam

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More recommendations coming up biggthumpup.gif .
pun187
The Legend of Bhagat Singh!!!

You gotta watch this movie sis, it's about the life of the revolutionary and martyr of the anticolonial movement in India, Sardar Bhagat Singh Ji, the REAL hero!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0319736/



Jamie4mIndia
Well historic .. not much i know, but if u like to see classicals, see mother-india, barsaat, awara, umm zillions more but i dont know their names icon_wink.gif
Jhangora
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And a new version coming up.

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Akbar Khan's CHANGEZ KHAN, will be in English

Filmmaker Akbar Khan has decided to make his next historical epic, CHANGEZ KHAN, in English. "I have deliberately chosen to make it an English language film because I want to prove that English language films aren't merely the domain of Hollywood producers. Indian producers are equally capable of making quality English language productions with the same technical finesse and special effects," he reveals.

Khan has already started research on the film and is planning to assemble an international cast for the film. "I am hoping to rope in some prominent Hollywood names in it," he reveals, adding that the film will be shot in Mongolia, Uzbekistan and several other places in the world. The interesting part of the film though is his decision to present the ruthless Mongol king in an altogether different light. Says Khan, "We only know him as a villain, whose quest for power made him an autocratic dictator. Few of us know that he was also a great visionary who built palaces, edifices and bridges."

CHANGEZ KHAN will commence shooting sometime in December 2006, according to Khan. Meanwhile, the small detour that Khan had initially planned with another film, TAXI DRIVER, has now been postponed for a later date.


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pun187
1947 - Earth

It's with Aamir Khan, loved his acting as the "Ice Candy Man" biggthumpup.gif
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0150433/



ExpressYourself
I don't remember if "1942: A love story" would be considered historical. I barely remember what that movie was about, but it took place during British colonialism.
tangawizi
Thanks folks, keep it coming! My local Hindi DVD store is gonna lurve me! One of the later productions I have seen is Kistna - a fictional account of a love triangle story between colonial girl and Himalayan shepherd and his cowgirl.

Jagger
There's two more great historical Indian movies starring Aamir Khan:

Lagaan: Once Upon a Time in India (2001) - A 19th century story about a small Indian village challenging British officers to a cricket match.
http://imdb.com/title/tt0169102

The Rising: Ballad of Mangal Pandey (2005) - A biopic of India's first freedom fighter who was responsible for the downfall of the British East India Company during the 1857 Indian Mutiny.
http://imdb.com/title/tt0346457

Another great histocial movie you should check out: (although it's in English and a bit old)

Gandhi (1982) - An Anglo-Indian production about Gandhi's life, who was partially responsible for the downfall of the British Empire. The film beat ET and Blade Runner at the oscars after winning eight academy awards.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083987
tangawizi
The Rising was magnificient! I found the portrayal of Mangal Pandey by Aamir Khan compelling.. he's by far the best actor from India.

He was again riveting in Lagaaan. Funnily, Lagaan is the movie that taught me to understand the thinking behind cricket for the first time in my life! embarassedlaugh.gif
Jhangora
Sohrab Modi made a lot of historical movies. beerchug.gif .

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Prithvi Vallabh

1943-Period Film


PLOT DESCRIPTION
Sohrab Modi directs this lavish period drama adapted from a book by K.M. Munshi. Prithvi Vallabh (Modi) is the kind and just king of Avantipur, who has won successive battles against his dark-hearted fellow sovereign Tailangan. The evil king eventually succeeds in capturing his rival through the devious schemes of his bull-headed sister, Mrinalvati (Durga Khote). Yet when Mrinalvati tries to humiliate Prithvi Vallabh in public, she finds that she has fallen in love with him. When Prithvi Vallabh escapes from prison he tries to find his love, only to learn that Mrinalvati has betrayed him. The good king is subsequently sentenced to be trampled to death by elephants. ~ Jonathan Crow, All Movie Guide



SuperiorHominid
Don't forget Aśoka.
BTW, Mughal-E-Azam is not non-fiction. My mom and her friend were talking about it one day and a lot of the history in it has been corrupted. Plus the Mughals were mongoloid, the actor is caucasoid
northwestern_student
i highly recommend this:

The Immortal Story of Dr. Kotnis, directed by V Shantaram
Najjiah
u want history? to me modern history is movies like company, vastaav, & ab thak chappan. mumbai underworld yeah!



but fiza & mission kashmir is good if u wanna know about the hindu/muslim riots & conflicts.

Jagger
I almost forgot Asoka starring Shah Rukh Khan:

Asoka (2001) - Set in the 3rd century BC, this film is a fictional biopic of Asoka the Great, who ruled over the world's most powerful empire at the time, the Maurya Empire. He is often considered the most humane emperor of the ancient world and was responsible for the spread of Buddhism abroad, but that was after many brutal conquests while unifying India in his earlier life, which is what this film is based on.

QUOTE(SuperiorHominid @ Jun 27 2006, 06:44 PM) *

Don't forget Aśoka.
BTW, Mughal-E-Azam is not non-fiction. My mom and her friend were talking about it one day and a lot of the history in it has been corrupted. Plus the Mughals were mongoloid, the actor is caucasoid

The Mughals were part-Caucasoid and part-Mongoloid. They came from Central Asia, not Mongolia (a common misconception). Furthermore, Akbar's wife and Jahangir's (also known as Salim) mother was a Rajput Indian. Jahangir's wife and Shah Jahan's mother was also a Rajput. With each generation, the Mughals began looking more like "typical" Indians.

At least in the movie, it looked like they were trying to make Akbar look a bit Mongolian (or maybe it's just me).

But thanks for reminding us about Asoka, which was a great movie in my opinion.
Jagger
QUOTE(northwestern_student @ Jun 27 2006, 06:50 PM) *

i highly recommend this:

The Immortal Story of Dr. Kotnis, directed by V Shantaram

I've heard that film was quite successful in China during the 1940s because it was about the Sino-Japanese War. I haven't seen it though.
ExpressYourself
QUOTE(Jagger @ Jun 27 2006, 06:05 PM) *

Jahangir's wife and Shah Jahan's mother was also a Rajput.




How embarassing! ...I didn't know that. icon_redface.gif


And that just disregards the misconception that the Rajput gene is only dominant in the father figure.


Sorry, it's just something I've heard among other people around me.
Jagger
QUOTE(ExpressYourself @ Jun 28 2006, 01:09 AM) *

How embarassing! ...I didn't know that. icon_redface.gif
And that just disregards the misconception that the Rajput gene is only dominant in the father figure.
Sorry, it's just something I've heard among other people around me.

You're a Rajput too right. I know you are because you've said it like a hundred times. embarassedlaugh.gif

I think only the paternal lineage (father's genes) counted when considering someone's ethnicity (which was probably the same for Rajputs). That's probably how it was like for most ethnicities.

Jahangir (Salim) was 1/2 Rajput and Shah Jahan was 3/4 Rajput, but they were always considered Mughals rather than Rajputs, because they only cared about their paternal lineage.

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that the Mughals were descendants of both Timur the Lame and Genghis Khan, so they do have distant Mongolian origins.
Jhangora
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SIKANDER - 1941


Starring
Prithviraj Kapoor, Sohrab Modi, Vanmala

Story and Lyrics
Sudarshan

Cinematography
Y.D. Sarpotdar

Music
Mir Saheb, Rafiq Ghaznavi

Produced by
Minerva Movietone

Directed by
Sohrab Modi



Synopsis


The film is set in 326 B.C. when Alexander the Great aka Sikander (Kapoor) having conquered Persia and the Kabul valley descends to the Indian Border at Jhelum. King Porus (Modi) stops the advance with his troops. Sikander ignores his teacher Aristotle's advice and falls for a Persian woman Rukhsana (Vanmala). Fearing for Sikander's life she extracts a promise from Porus that he will not harm Sikander. In the battle with the Macedonian army Porus loses his son and is captured. An elaborate verbal duel follows in court when Porus is brought before Sikander. Impressed by Porus's valour, the two kings become friends. Sikander lets Porus go and withdraws from the Jhelum.

The film

Sikander was the greatest success of Minerva Movietone, which specialized, in historic spectacles. Its lavish mounting, huge sets and production values equals the Best of Hollywood then particularly for its rousing and spectacular battle scenes and was rated by a British writer as...

"…well up to the standard of that old masterpiece The Birth of a Nation."

The film follows pure Parsee theatre using frontal composition and staging the narrative in spatial layers. Its dramatic, declamatory dialogues give both Prithviraj Kapoor and Sohrab Modi free reign to their histrionic proclivities. It is Prithviraj's best known performance. He makes a handsome, dashing Sikander and the film heightens his enduring reputation for playing royalty, enhanced further by his role as Akbar in Mughal-e-Azam (1960).

The release of the film coincided with World War II at its peak and in India too the political atmosphere was tense, following Gandhiji's call to Civil Disobedience. Sikander further aroused patriotic feelings and national sentiment. Thus though Sikander was approved by the Bombay censor board, it was later banned from some of the theatres serving army cantonments. However its appeal to nationalism was so great and direct, it remained popular for years. It was revived in Delhi in 1961 during the Indian March into Goa.



tangawizi
Is there any movie about Yoga? And the Mahabhrata?
ExpressYourself
QUOTE(Jagger @ Jun 27 2006, 07:34 PM) *

You're a Rajput too right. I know you are because you've said it like a hundred times. embarassedlaugh.gif

I think only the paternal lineage (father's genes) counted when considering someone's ethnicity (which was probably the same for Rajputs). That's probably how it was like for most ethnicities.

Jahangir (Salim) was 1/2 Rajput and Shah Jahan was 3/4 Rajput, but they were always considered Mughals rather than Rajputs, because they only cared about their paternal lineage.

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that the Mughals were descendants of both Timur the Lame and Genghis Khan, so they do have distant Mongolian origins.



Call me a femi-nazi, but by that logic-This woman would be accepted as fully Indian? laugh.gif

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Even though her dad was half-Indian, her granfather was full Indian. So, that would make both of them be counted by his lineage only. sure.gif Yes, who wants to take this lovely Indian larki home to momma? laugh.gif


Some Rajputs still expect both parents to be Rajputs, in order to be counted as one. I think the Gharasia tribe is made up of Rajput males inter-marrying with tribal lower-caste females. They're not accepted into the mainstream Rajput community.

Some people don't accept Preity Zinta either, since her caste was created by Rajputs inter-marrying with the British. But, the Zinta consider themselves Rajputs more than British.

Me-I dont' give a sh*t. Call yourself African if you want. laugh.gif
xxmiyaxx
QUOTE(tangawizi @ Jun 28 2006, 02:08 PM) *

Is there any movie about Yoga? And the Mahabhrata?


I second request that lol! But Yogas just a peice of art, I dont think thered be a movie on it? Bt, i havent seen Asoka, but I think itd be lot better than lagaan or magal pandey, cuz those two bored the hell outta me ..but Asoka looks SO good!!
Tenjikuronin
QUOTE(ExpressYourself @ Jun 28 2006, 01:13 PM) *

Yes, who wants to take this lovely Indian larki home to momma? laugh.gif



Depends on how drunk she is..... embarassedlaugh.gif
Jagger
QUOTE(ExpressYourself @ Jun 28 2006, 09:13 PM) *

Even though her dad was half-Indian, her granfather was full Indian. So, that would make both of them be counted by his lineage only. sure.gif Yes, who wants to take this lovely Indian larki home to momma? laugh.gif
Some Rajputs still expect both parents to be Rajputs, in order to be counted as one. I think the Gharasia tribe is made up of Rajput males inter-marrying with tribal lower-caste females. They're not accepted into the mainstream Rajput community.

Some people don't accept Preity Zinta either, since her caste was created by Rajputs inter-marrying with the British. But, the Zinta consider themselves Rajputs more than British.

Me-I dont' give a sh*t. Call yourself African if you want. laugh.gif

Well it depends on the ethnicity. Some ethnicities want both the mum & dad to be the same ethnicity, while for others, only the paternal lineage (dad's) or maternal lineage (mum's) count. For example, just look at the Ashkenazi Jews (white Jews). They look nothing look their Semitic ancestors! (The same goes for black Jews, Chinese Jews, Indian Jews, etc.)

Does Preity Zinta really have some British descent? Where did you hear that from? icon_confused.gif

And I'm sure Jiggy would be proud to call himself African. embarassedlaugh.gif

QUOTE(tangawizi @ Jun 28 2006, 07:08 PM) *

Is there any movie about Yoga? And the Mahabhrata?

QUOTE(xxmiyaxx @ Jun 29 2006, 08:15 PM) *

I second request that lol! But Yogas just a peice of art, I dont think thered be a movie on it? Bt, i havent seen Asoka, but I think itd be lot better than lagaan or magal pandey, cuz those two bored the hell outta me ..but Asoka looks SO good!!

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The Mahabharata (2007)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0474788

It's currently in the making, so you're going to have to wait till next year. I've heard all 3 Khans will be in this movie: Shah Rukh Khan, Salman Khan and Aamir Khan! (Not sure if it's true though)

There's also a Ramayana movie in the making:
http://www.indiafm.com/news/2006/06/22/7341/index.html

It would be interesting to see both the ancient Indian epics released at the same time.
Jhangora
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Call yourself African if you want.


Modern humans originated in Africa so we are all Africans.

There was a TV series on Mahabharata.
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THE MAHABHARATA
was written by Rishi Ved Vyasa, during the avatar of Lord Krishna and is the longest poem in the world containing 100,000 stanzas. The Bhagavad Gita is a part of this monumental work. It encompasses all aspects of human nature from the utterly base to the completely divine.

Producer-director Dr. B.R. Chopra, one of India eminent filmmakers has captured the magnificence, the grandeur and drama of this epic. It consists of 94 episodes totaling of 65 hours.









ExpressYourself
QUOTE(Jagger @ Jun 30 2006, 03:11 AM) *



Does Preity Zinta really have some British descent? Where did you hear that from? icon_confused.gif






Which ethnicities focus on the mom's lineage only? My friend said Kerala is very matrilineal.



Preity said this in an interview.

http://www.bollywhat.com/Biographies/PREITY_bio.html



But those who are in the know are aware that her ancestors were true blue British. In the early 18th century, when the Rajputs had earned a reputation for 'killing for their honour', marital alliances between the two races became quite common. Thus emerged the Zinta clan. That's quite a pedigree: a mix of British and Rajput blood.



I added her name under "famous Rajputs" in wikipedia, and it kept getting deleted. embarassedlaugh.gif
raindropz
their going to remake the Mahabharata, srk, ash, bipasha, john, abhi, arjun and huge star cast is suppose to be in it
Jagger
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QUOTE(Jhangora @ Jun 30 2006, 11:01 AM) *

There was a TV series on Mahabharata.

The Mahabharata TV series aired on a UK TV channel in the 90s. I remember watching it and it was really good. Although the special effects were quite bad, it managed to cover everything form the ancient epic, and the story was just as deep and meaningful (since it was 65+ hours in total).

I doubt the Mahabharata movie will be able to cover nearly as much as the TV series. For the longest epic ever written, even a movie trilogy at 4 hours per film wouldn't be able to cover it all. In that sense, the TV series might actually be better, but the movie will probably be more accessible to the mainstream audience. Either way, we'll have to wait and see how the movie turns out.

QUOTE(ExpressYourself @ Jun 30 2006, 02:42 PM) *

Which ethnicities focus on the mom's lineage only? My friend said Kerala is very matrilineal.
Preity said this in an interview.

http://www.bollywhat.com/Biographies/PREITY_bio.html
But those who are in the know are aware that her ancestors were true blue British. In the early 18th century, when the Rajputs had earned a reputation for 'killing for their honour', marital alliances between the two races became quite common. Thus emerged the Zinta clan. That's quite a pedigree: a mix of British and Rajput blood.
I added her name under "famous Rajputs" in wikipedia, and it kept getting deleted. embarassedlaugh.gif

I think it's because the Rajput article is currently semi-protected from edits:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajput

I've heard some Jewish ethnic groups focus on the female lineage, rather than the male lineage. However, these kinds of groups are not as common as the ones that focus on the male lineage.

As for Preity Zinta, that's news to me. I didn't know she had some Anglo-Indian descent. Either way, I'd still hit it. embarassedlaugh.gif
ExpressYourself
^I could be wrong, but from what I've read, I don't see her rubbing her British bloodlines in another people's faces....I've heard her just call herself the "Rajput girl from Shimla"
Jamie4mIndia
[Rajput girl from Shimla]

she doesnt belong to simla? I guess she only had her high school in simla.
My cousin is in same school where she used to be. I am sure she belongs to Rajasthan. Well never listened/read about foreign mix in preity.
tangawizi
What is the Mahabharata about? Can u elaborate further on the plot?
Jhangora
QUOTE(tangawizi @ Jul 7 2006, 09:21 PM) *

What is the Mahabharata about? Can u elaborate further on the plot?


Mahabharata is about embarassedlaugh.gif Mahabharata embarassedlaugh.gif .

Mahabharata - A Synopsis

ExpressYourself
QUOTE(Jamie4mIndia @ Jul 7 2006, 01:07 AM) *

[Rajput girl from Shimla]

she doesnt belong to simla? I guess she only had her high school in simla.
My cousin is in same school where she used to be. I am sure she belongs to Rajasthan. Well never listened/read about foreign mix in preity.




Her roots are Rajasthani, if that's what you mean. But, I think her family settled in Himachal Pradesh...ndnboi said that too also, I think. He knows his stuff. icon_wink.gif
VAMAN
Bumping this old thread up. laugh.gif

QUOTE(ExpressYourself @ Jul 8 2006, 02:17 AM) *
Her roots are Rajasthani, if that's what you mean. But, I think her family settled in Himachal Pradesh...ndnboi said that too also, I think. He knows his stuff. icon_wink.gif

During the period of Muslim invations lot of people from Rajasthan and Gujarat fled to hilly regions. Some of them the entire kingdom for example like Nahan in Sirmur district in Himachal Pradesh, some king or king's brother took all of his men and their families along with him from Jaisalmer and set up a kingdom there in Nahan.
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