QUOTE(Tenjikuronin @ Jul 1 2006, 12:43 AM)

I see which direction you are coming from, but according to that reasoning yoga predates even the universe.
Strictly speaking (in historical terms) the first Yoga text dates to around the 2nd century BC by Patanjali, and prescribes adherence to "eight limbs" (the sum of which constitute "Ashtanga Yoga") to quiet one's mind and merge with the infinite.
Hinduism, on the other hand, is at least 5,000 years old (if not older).
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Interesting topic!
There have been yogic scriptures even before Patanjali - it's juz he was the first to consolidate them into compendium in 2nd century BC.
'Hinduism' is based on the Vedic scriptures which date back to 1500BC; much older than Patanjali's sutras of course. But by no means was the concept 'Hinduism' mentioned in those texts.
‘Hinduism,’ is a term that came much later than these first Vedic and yogic texts. ‘Hinduism’ is a term that started to be used in the late 16th Century to categorize the diverse spiritual beliefs and practices encountered in India.
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I think it's only accurate not to confuse Yoga with Hinduism. Many of the wandering sadhus who are yogis are not necessarily Hindus. Many non-Hindu folks practice yoga too.... heard of the Buddhist and Tantric sects like Yogacara? I believe Yoga has evolved into kung fu or qigong in China. The Shaolin temple was probably started by an Indian monk who travelled to China!
Yoga is juz a vehicle that enables one to attain spiritual self-realization in whatever faith you happen to subscribe to. That's what it really is.
QUOTE(Henry123 @ Jul 1 2006, 05:30 AM)

Mostly misleading and pseudo forms of it. There are however some authentic schools/systems in the West.
eg. Most yoga schools/books in the west are watered down compare to the yoga schools taught in the India ( doing asanas are great but its only stretches if they dont include the other disciplines; they should also include tratikam, meditation, pranayama etc.)
eg. Most Tibetan Buddhism in the west are from authentic sources. Most Indian types of Tantra in the west on the other hand are Western fabrications of Indian Tantra. (Tantra in the west is view as being about only sex. Where as in India Tantra consists of many occult rituals, casting spells, vashtu, ayurvedic medicine, divination, contacting spirits & ghosts, exorcism etc. and sex is view as only a small part of tantra).
Well, in Christy's book, you'll be surprised she does talk about sadhanas, meditation, pranayama, vashtu (indian feng shui), ayurvedic medicines as part of her life practice in yoga. Don't be too quick to sweep western yogis as unorthodox.
Yoga in India was traditionally for sunyassis (renunciates). It could have died out in India if it weren't for the hippies who trekked to india and learnt from the lineages like Iyengar, Pattabhi Jois, Vivekananda etc... and brought it into the realms of the millions of householders around the world. That's what I admire about Yoga. It is not a discipline that fossilized.