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Nosamaker
Yeah, I really think so. Flame me all u want, but I'm a huge Marvel/DC fan and my sister reads Fruit Basket. I tried to get into it but its just so terrible. Any comments?
kunomchu
I love American comics and the many different universes. Lately I been reading alot of the Marvel Ultimate Series like Spiderman, X-men, and Avengers. I also like Frank Miller comics. After watching the movies Sin city and V for vendetta, i went back to read the comics.

Manga is okay but its directed toward little kids. Unless u read mangas like berserk, gantz, or other really really violet mangas, everything else has too many simple plots and 1 dimensional characters.
- Nosferatu -
maybe for the guys

american comics are more of guys comics. Only about a bunch of superheros and villains fighting.
Archie and Sabrina comics are okay.

manga is unisex and more varieties.
Jaimu-Jaimu

American comics are so bleh.
Manga doesn't interest me much either but it's a little bit better. icon_redface.gif
supernovasp
QUOTE(Jaimu-Jaimu @ Jul 6 2006, 12:07 PM) [snapback]2025419[/snapback]

American comics are so bleh.
Manga doesn't interest me much either but it's a little bit better. icon_redface.gif

Gatts
theres no bl in american comics so i pass
kunomchu
bl?
stillarook
mangas are fun. they have lots of jokes.
Asylum
The problem with mainstream American comics is that they refuse to kill off villains or heroes and when they do kill them off they bring them back again. The Joker has killed hundreds of civilians and yet he still won't get the death penalty no matter how many times he escapes from prison. None of the Bat villains will get the death penalty or die. What gives?

Alan Moore, Jeph Loeb, Garth Ennis and Neil Gaiman are the only writers that I like but lately they haven't written anything worthwhile. Even Frank Miller is starting to lose it.

Nosamaker
QUOTE(Asylum @ Jul 6 2006, 02:35 PM) [snapback]2026489[/snapback]

The problem with mainstream American comics is that they refuse to kill off villains or heroes and when they do kill them off they bring them back again. The Joker has killed hundreds of civilians and yet he still won't get the death penalty no matter how many times he escapes from prison. None of the Bat villains will get the death penalty or die. What gives?

Alan Moore, Jeph Loeb, Garth Ennis and Neil Gaiman are the only writers that I like but lately they haven't written anything worthwhile. Even Frank Miller is starting to lose it.


I agree that villians keep getting killed and yet they usually come back. I think though, that it would be hard to kill off for good certain primary villians like Magneto, the Joker, etc. cuz there is no one else who could take their place. It would take alot to put new villians into the same echelon as the Joker and Magneto.
boogie brat
I used to read a lot of comics. But now I can't be bothered picking up a series on a monthly basis. Once in a while I read the occasional TPB. I still like to read Hellboy. Mignola is a wonderful artist. I'd rather watch animé instead of reading manga. Too much speedlines. I now mostly read Graphic novels. I like the subjects they deal with a lot better. Just everyday life things...

There are three books that own both comics and manga. If you like rock, games, chinese schoolgirls, ex evil boyfriends, you should read Scott Pilgrim. These books are simply awesome.

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Asylum
QUOTE(Nosamaker @ Jul 6 2006, 02:58 PM) [snapback]2026575[/snapback]

I agree that villians keep getting killed and yet they usually come back. I think though, that it would be hard to kill off for good certain primary villians like Magneto, the Joker, etc. cuz there is no one else who could take their place. It would take alot to put new villians into the same echelon as the Joker and Magneto.


But these guys have been around for at least 40 years. There aren't anymore creative ways to use them. Don't get me started on the Spider-man universe. So many villains died and then come back alive again. How many Green Goblin derivatives are there? How many superman and spider-man clones are there? They always make some lame clone story to justify an important death.
SagaciousLuDa
Marvel Comics and DC comics roxors
Nosamaker
QUOTE(Asylum @ Jul 6 2006, 03:46 PM) [snapback]2026682[/snapback]

But these guys have been around for at least 40 years. There aren't anymore creative ways to use them. Don't get me started on the Spider-man universe. So many villains died and then come back alive again. How many Green Goblin derivatives are there? How many superman and spider-man clones are there? They always make some lame clone story to justify an important death.


I agree that maybe they're starting to run out of ideas for the main villians. But I think they should be kept around because they're so important to the mythos of the characters they represent. That and have u seen some of the new characters that Marvel hashed out for Spidey? There's this 1 guy, I forgot his name who attacked by throwing razor sharp letters LOL. If that's the future, then there is no reason for the Green Goblin to stay dead permenently.
Gatts
QUOTE(kunomchu @ Jul 6 2006, 11:14 AM) [snapback]2025629[/snapback]

bl?

boy love
Nosamaker
QUOTE(Gatts @ Jul 6 2006, 11:58 PM) [snapback]2028069[/snapback]

boy love


And that is one of the many reasons why manga is just plain weird. biggrin.gif
kunomchu
QUOTE(Nosamaker @ Jul 7 2006, 12:56 AM) [snapback]2027716[/snapback]

I agree that maybe they're starting to run out of ideas for the main villians. But I think they should be kept around because they're so important to the mythos of the characters they represent. That and have u seen some of the new characters that Marvel hashed out for Spidey? There's this 1 guy, I forgot his name who attacked by throwing razor sharp letters LOL. If that's the future, then there is no reason for the Green Goblin to stay dead permenently.



I would also like to add that American comics are always constantly reinventing itself. There are tons of Universes and each has its own unique original spin. Take for instance the Ultimate Series, Green goblin and Venom are not the same as the originals.
Gatts
QUOTE(Nosamaker @ Jul 7 2006, 02:47 AM) [snapback]2028262[/snapback]

And that is one of the many reasons why manga is just plain weird. biggrin.gif

do comics tackle complex topics such as bl?
kunomchu
QUOTE(Gatts @ Jul 7 2006, 12:18 PM) [snapback]2029033[/snapback]

do comics tackle complex topics such as bl?



of course embarassedlaugh.gif Need not look futher than Batman and Robin.
Gatts
they might be gay but they dont embrace it,,.serious question man im saying complex $hit like love between your friends girl and $hit like that...
chynagongju
I love both. icon_smile.gif

LOVE Ultimate X-men!!!

And for once I want to read from beginning to end, Neil Gaiman's Sandman.
Asylum
QUOTE(Nosamaker @ Jul 6 2006, 09:56 PM) [snapback]2027716[/snapback]

I agree that maybe they're starting to run out of ideas for the main villians. But I think they should be kept around because they're so important to the mythos of the characters they represent. That and have u seen some of the new characters that Marvel hashed out for Spidey? There's this 1 guy, I forgot his name who attacked by throwing razor sharp letters LOL. If that's the future, then there is no reason for the Green Goblin to stay dead permenently.


It sounds like you're saying that American comics can't come up with anything original anymore. It's not like the classic villains are all that great either. The riddler threatens people with lame riddles, the Penguin attacks people with a fancy umbrella, and god knows what the Mad Hatter does.

QUOTE(kunomchu @ Jul 6 2006, 09:56 PM) [snapback]2027716[/snapback]

I would also like to add that American comics are always constantly reinventing itself. There are tons of Universes and each has its own unique original spin. Take for instance the Ultimate Series, Green goblin and Venom are not the same as the originals.


I'm not sure if that's really reinventing itself, it's just the same characters with different personalities. You'd have to completly come up with new characters and villains that are cool to reinvent itself. There were a bunch of other X-men spin- offs but they didn't last very long cause they just weren't good I think.
kent666
I'm not quite sure about that. But for me IMHO manga still rules!! biggrin.gif

It all boils down to the readers.
kunomchu
QUOTE(Asylum @ Jul 7 2006, 06:24 PM) [snapback]2030077[/snapback]

It sounds like you're saying that American comics can't come up with anything original anymore. It's not like the classic villains are all that great either. The riddler threatens people with lame riddles, the Penguin attacks people with a fancy umbrella, and god knows what the Mad Hatter does.
I'm not sure if that's really reinventing itself, it's just the same characters with different personalities. You'd have to completly come up with new characters and villains that are cool to reinvent itself. There were a bunch of other X-men spin- offs but they didn't last very long cause they just weren't good I think.



comics are different from manga. Manga franchises only last a few volumes.
Gatts
with comics they keep on reinventing the story...and the more they do that the more inconsistant it becomes..
kunomchu
not if you keep the universes separate.
Jaimu-Jaimu
QUOTE(chynagongju @ Jul 7 2006, 05:59 PM) [snapback]2029211[/snapback]

I love both. icon_smile.gif

LOVE Ultimate X-men!!!

And for once I want to read from beginning to end, Neil Gaiman's Sandman.


You're so girlie. embarassedlaugh.gif
Jagger
Manga are superior. American comics are too repetitive.
epicanthics
I read somewhere (I think wiki or animenfo) that 50% of all printed matter in Japan is Manga. They should be better by volume alone, since anyone's bound to find something they like.
fraggo
comics just all seem the same to me, hardly any variations thats what I HATE about them
kunomchu
QUOTE(fraggo @ Jul 11 2006, 09:42 PM) [snapback]2041561[/snapback]

comics just all seem the same to me, hardly any variations thats what I HATE about them



u HATE comics? Lil too emotional don't u think?
Gatts
i dont even read comics...so im bias
rx7boy
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From the Morning Edition of the Chunichi Newspaper for July 4th, 2006:

According to the July 3rd edition of the French newspaper Libération, 2 16-year old girls from the Paris suburbs, who were both manga fanatics, left home without notifying their families because they “wanted to visit the land of manga.”


They tried to traverse Russia by rail, however they were apprehended in Poland on the 2nd and their dreams never came to fruition. The pair were obsessed with Japanese manga and rock music, and told their families that they were visiting a friend before leaving home on the 22nd of June.
The pair assumed that “visa wouldn’t be necessary if you went by rail or sea” and intended to cross over to the Korean peninsula from Russia, and then enter Japan by ship. Japanese manga and anime are immensely popular among younger French people, but they are also causing some concerns such as distracting them from studying.


Manga wins. xD

ktchong
Graphic novels > manga > comics.

Comics are almost ALWAYS about superheroes. No variety or whatsoever. And why would any Asians want to be a comic fan? There is no Asian superhero to speak of, not until very recently anyway, and then none of the Asian superhero has its own series, (maybe for except the new Batgirl Cassandra Cain, but she's just half-Asian, and her series got cancelled. She started out as a bad guy and ended up as a bad guy. So she is still stereotypical Asian in the American comic world.) Asians are ALWAYS villians in American comics, and they are almost always direct descendents of Genghis Khan. In fact, as Asians we should all boycott American comics because American comics are even more racist towards Asians than Hollywood.
kunomchu
you are taking it a bit too far. Its all about what sells man. Are you going to be interested in a indian super hero?
Eclectic Asian
manga and comics are on different levels.

it's like comparing goku (manga) with superman (comics).

so i guess they are on equal but different levels. just depends on the reader's taste?
ktchong
QUOTE(kunomchu @ Jul 11 2006, 08:20 PM) [snapback]2041840[/snapback]

you are taking it a bit too far. Its all about what sells man. Are you going to be interested in a indian super hero?


Well, the new Batgirl is certainly a LOT more interesting than a lot of other superhero. In fact, it is generally accepted that she is the superhero with the most interesting background in the DC world. She's either half-Asian or full Asian depending on interpretion. She was so popular that she became the first Batgirl to have her own series for a short while. Then some dumb American white boys took over the series and turned her into a bad guy. There was a lot of protest from the fans, but hey, Asians HAVE TO be a bad guy, right? Soon afterward her series was cancelled (i.e., well, by the time she was no longer the Batgirl.)

So, the character and series sell, but the inherent racism of the comic book authors (not the creators but the white boys who took over the series) dictate that there could be no Asian superheroes. Asians have to be villians.
Gatts
visual novel pwns all
tsukihime not to mention kgne too and dont forget about shuffle and AIR too and FATE stay/night
can anybody name a comic or Graphic novels that covers kgne's drama theme?
and i would like to see graphic novels that let you choose how things gonna end based on the path you choose
ktchong
QUOTE(Gatts @ Jul 11 2006, 08:26 PM) [snapback]2041857[/snapback]

visual novel pwns all

I think it's graphic novels.

Graphic novels > manga > comics

But graphic novels are usually very dark and do not have a lot of variety. Still, their quality has been consistently high.
Gatts
QUOTE(ktchong @ Jul 11 2006, 09:44 PM) [snapback]2041913[/snapback]

I think it's graphic novels.

Graphic novels > manga > comics

But graphic novels are usually very dark and do not have a lot of variety. Still, their quality has been consistently high.

graphic novel
visual novel can includes various hgames
kaleidoshuffler
i object that comics is greater than manga.

i am an avid fan of manga and has collected lots of manga myself. i tried collecting comics too, but i became uninterested later on for some unknown reason and stopped doing so.

well, that's for my side, anyway.

i object that comics is greater than manga.

i am an avid fan of manga and has collected lots of manga myself. i tried collecting comics too, but i became uninterested later on for some unknown reason and stopped doing so.

well, that's for my side, anyway.
Gatts
double post?
Eclectic Asian
i think you mean double paste embarassedlaugh.gif
Gatts
no when u double post and the times is right itll add it to the orginal post like

no when u double post and the times is right itll add it to the orginal post like so
so?im_a_chink
well it's easier to like comics because comics are much shorter than manga. manga actually takes more than 15 min.
Asylum
QUOTE(ktchong @ Jul 11 2006, 08:18 PM) [snapback]2041834[/snapback]

Graphic novels > manga > comics.

Comics are almost ALWAYS about superheroes. No variety or whatsoever. And why would any Asians want to be a comic fan? There is no Asian superhero to speak of, not until very recently anyway, and then none of the Asian superhero has its own series, (maybe for except the new Batgirl Cassandra Cain, but she's just half-Asian, and her series got cancelled. She started out as a bad guy and ended up as a bad guy. So she is still stereotypical Asian in the American comic world.) Asians are ALWAYS villians in American comics, and they are almost always direct descendents of Genghis Khan. In fact, as Asians we should all boycott American comics because American comics are even more racist towards Asians than Hollywood.


That's kind of odd. You like super hero movies don't you? But you don't like the comics that the movies are based off of? You like graphic novels but it's not like there many Asians in graphic novels either and they are also depicted as villains as well. League of Extraordinary Gentlemen anyone?
Gatts
QUOTE(Asylum @ Jul 13 2006, 12:50 PM) [snapback]2046932[/snapback]

That's kind of odd. You like super hero movies don't you? But you don't like the comics that the movies are based off of? You like graphic novels but it's not like there many Asians in graphic novels either and they are also depicted as villains as well. League of Extraordinary Gentlemen anyone?

like whoa didnt even read that part...uve made a good point asylum
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