The recounting of historical grievances is nothing new to me or probably anyone here, but his interpretation of the effect of Korean Confucianism is insightful.

http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/biz/200607...20020911910.htm

lol

I'm pretty sure that they're pissed that Japan brutally colonized Korea.

I'll put on here what I put on Dave's:

Wow, all of Korean history in one page... great article. :roll:

The questions are so glossed over it makes me puke.

Seriously, they never bother to delve into why the Japanese (or any foreign power for that matter) was able to walk so easily into the peninsula.

The article does the typical "blame them" routine that I have heard regurgitated so many times before.



So, the Koreans were not able to liberate themselves eh? Well I guess that's why those in the Norht are so confident - they actually believe they did! Again, why not look to the root of the problem; Korea's own political mismanagement.



What utter BS. I have to wonder if the writer ever reads the news. JAPAN HAS APPOLOGIZED many times. Now if that appology is not accepted - fine. But for this writer to claim that is irresponsible.


This article is a joke and a waste of time for anyone who knows more than guidebook knowledge of Korea.

The author's a major dumbass.

yes, they have. but look at the current PM.

Koizumi: i'm sorry Asia for what Japan did in the past...*goes to Yasukuni* that's what people see

and i agree with santa's comment

You are right.
Guys, just think about this

WHY THE WHOLE EUROPE FORGIVES GERMANY, AND MOST OF THE ASIAN COUNTRIES DON'T FORGIVE JAPAN?

So, is it the fault of the rest of the asian countries? or Japan does really have problem.

Actually, Germany apologizes for their WWII crime every year, and they arrest every extreme left winger or pro-Nazist they found. Germany ask people to FORGIVE him, and Japan try to make their own people to FORGET the history. We can forgive, and we should forgive, but we will never never never forget. Coz We should remember how our ancestors use their blood and lives to defend our homeland, our people, and our culture.

Japanese always try to complicate such a simple issue. Koreans hate Japan because Japan brutalized Korea during the colonization. It is really that simple, but Japan keeps trying to look for other complicated lame excuses to shift the blame and make it looks like Koreans are hiding some other motives for hating Japan.

Japan just can't face or accept the simple truth.

lol, right-winger.

Actually, none of the Asian nations that were invaded by Japan has forgotten nor forgiven Japan. They just don't lash out at Japan all the time because they all have to do business with Japan. The smaller, weaker nations like Singapore, the Philippines and (especially) Taiwan don't want to upset Japan because of the economic and power disparity. Like Taiwan HAS TO depend on Japan or ANY foreign support it can get. Little countries in East Asia cannot afford to offend Japan.

On the other hand, China and South Korea are getting back on their feet and becoming stronger, more self-sufficient and more confident, so they don't really give that much $hit about how Japan would feel when they say "we don't like you" right in Japan's face, especially given how Japan had stepped on China and Korea when they were down. And Japan is really irritated because it has looked down on other "lesser" Asians for so long -- it has been over one and half century since Japan has started teaching its people that Japanese are the "superior" Asian race that can do no wrong. That mindset has become an integral part of Japanese culture and belief. So now Japan can't adjust and treat other East Asians as equals or have other "lesser" Asians pointing out Japan's sins and wrongdoings.

Saying sorry is not very hard to do.

Japan right now might be facing some hardships with their relationship with Korea. Korea might be acting very cruel and saying outrageous remarks to Japanese people. But it nowhere matches up to what has happened in the history.

Yes. Japan is different today, but Korea is different today. But what happened in the past is still the same. We all know what has happened to Korea in the past. That past is part of Korea's history. And History is something that can never be forgotten and is something that will always be kept in the hearts of the people. Also this event is not too long ago either.

Also Korea's hurt is not recognized or known by anybody in the world. Thats why stupid questions come up like , "Why are Koreans so angry at Japan?" This just puts a bad image on Korea because the world does not know what ever happened to Korea. They think Korea just hates Japan for no reason. They see Japan as innocent and feel pity for the hate coming at them. Well Its because nobody knows about it.

Obviously Japan knows why Korea is so mad at them. But they should at least do something about it. There is no way to resurrect lives. They might as well do Korea a favor. An apology goes nowhere.
Korea: hey you killed so many of our people!!
Japan: sorry about that.

Korea is very hurt. for this event was probably the darkest and miserable and also most recent tragic moment in Korean history.

Im gonna say again. You guys out there who just love japan are really getting on my nerves. Think like a human for once. This is coming from a korean. It really hurts me as well what happened to my people. I may not know them, but it is still my people. Its like family. I dont hate the Japanese. But i really dont like what happened. And i dont think an apology isnt gonna cut it. Japan couldve put us in control without bloodshed, but it was very overwhelming and unhuman. I am not the only one feeling this way. It goes for pretty much every Korean. There are people who cry when singing the Korean anthem. My dad cried a little last time seeing how successful and strong Korea is now. He said, " It was so hard living in Korea when i was young. Also how much our people went through. I would never had imagined our country would be this great. I see so many Korean youths strong and healthy now. Our people being so successful. We went through so much." Really, there are people who get really teary when they talk about what happened, even though they werent present at the time. Its not hate, It's pain. So basically we dont hate japan, We just mad at them a lot

I'm not a very patriotic Korean. At times i try to avoid Korean things too. But when it comes to this, it gets kinda serious to me. A little heated up. So for you japanophiles who keep talking smack about us. I have no idea why you guys are doing that. I guess its okay for you guys about Koreans dying. Yeah ok sure, Koreans are inferior to Japan. yeah Japan is superior. We should all bow down. Koreans are just animals or subhumans and us dying is nothing. We are nothing. There, you faggots happy?

I'm just being reasonable here. Does Japan seriously think Koreans will forget about what happened if they keep this on? Theyre hoping that Koreans will forget all about it and hope friendship will occur. I have to say. The most tragic and darkest moment in one's history, is what one will remember the most out of all. So i dont know what Japan's plan is. I love Japan but i hope they handle this situation right. After all it is a mess they have to clean up. "Japan is not the same today." Sorry, that doesnt prove anything. Koreans aint the same today either, but we still feel the pain of the fckd up sh*t that was done to us. No joke.

Just feelings of a human. pain

I agree with Bigboy.

Well, Hitler did the same thing like imperial Japan too. He taught all german that they are the superior over all other races too. But once they failure, they realize that they should try all their best to gain trust from other european countries, and they know they should try hard to exterminate every little Nazi spirit within the territory of Germany. But, I just wonder why Japan don't just accept their failure and face their previous mistakes, and do something to gain trust from other asians?
They apologized, they ask other poeple to forgive them, but what they did is to continue hurting other people's feeling. They also discriminate other asian.

Well, it's true that Japan isn't the same today, and your or my or any East Asian descendant's grievances are as legitimate as they were yesterday.

But you know what the problem is? If we push too hard, then the Japan of tommorrow won't be like the Japan of today, but it'll certainly resemble the Japan of yesterday. And that's no good.

I think that much of the region and the world has become fixated on China's rise while ignoring the fact that Japan, a country which has remained dormant and, indeed, infantile in its political dealings with the world, is slowly awakening as well. The economic downturn that it faced in the previous decade is not so much a regression as it is a sign that Japan's development has matured and achieved the cyclical process seen in the west. The Cold War's over, the economy has stabilized, and the country's growing up. As China and Korea continue to rise as well, there will be more introspection on war. But if we push too hard and ostracize them, do you think they will be more inclined to move in the right direction? I doubt any but the few nutcases really buy the superior race crap. In the end, they're just a bunch of people that want to live normal lives.

Chill out and give 'em some time.

*blinks*

I understand Japan is different today, which is the same damn thing everybody keeps saying.

People keep saying japan got more humble, friendly, mannered, and are more Mature. Ok so sure. I agree with that. They did turn to be like this. If they really are like that, they would have no problem doing us a favor. After all, our people were slaughtered, killed, raped, experimented on, forced to be japanized, and also put into sex slavery. (i've said this about a million times now). Well then, why dont the friendly mature japan do something about it.

They cant keep this on. Also i think Japan shouldve done something about it before, because Koreans just get more angrier and angrier by the years. We have not done japan wrong. "Why are Koreans so angry at Japan?" Damn, everytime i see that question it pisses the crap out of me. Well, you should probably know that we have a damn good reason to be angry.

Well, Japan better do something about it. Who the hell do we go to then? Africa? UN? US? Russia? no, there is nobody else. So Japan has no choice. Its either they want to make peace, or they dont. Cuz there is just no way in the whole frikkn world we are going to forget. And thats exactly what Friendly Japan wants us to do. They dont want to feel the guilt and hope if they keep this up, Korea will settle down. Well, Japan is messing with the wrong people. Cuz i have to tell you, When Koreans get mad, they get "Mad." And Japan doesnt know where this is heading.

So i encourage Koreans to be angry at Japan for being so friendly and mature.

Also this is kinda off topic. I remember when Ichiro made comments about Korea like it smells like garlic and all this other crap. Koreans are already made like devils at Japan and this dumb @$$ is kinda crossing the line. I swear if that guy appeared in koreatown during wbc, he seriously wouldve been beatin down and get beat with anything or stabbed with anything a korean can find. They would crowd over him. There would be people of all ages from 4-70. They reall would turn him into chopped up sushi. Insults about Korea coming from a japanese is probably what could Make a Korean pissed the worst way. There are in no position to talk like that.

Also the westerners dont giv a crap as long as they get their anime and video games.

We are human, and we deserve to be treated like humans. As humans, we feel pain. And as humans, we react to it.

Clenched fists and watered eyes.

For those that dont know, Just shut up and walk around in our shoes.
Doesnt take a rocket scientist to know what we going through.
Just think like a human.

most young people in Korea don't feel this way. I take it you're in your 40's and born in the U.S.?

From I've read, Japanese still regards themselves as the superior Asian race and culture. It's an integral part of their education and culture. And the superior race does not apologize to lesser races.

I know, I have a friend who just visited Tokyo. He was trying to hire a whore, however, when the whore knows that he couldn't speak japanese. She told my friend that she was only available to japanese. That really pissed my friend off.


oh, thx. I always confuse about left and right.

Damn, thats fu-king cold.

Anyways, if I were Korean or Chinese, I'd harbor at least some resentment for Japan.

Show me a people who aren't racist and I'll show you a bunch of damn liars.

I'm not a very patriotic chinese, but I got the same feeling with you. btw, GOOD POST.

There are some who dislike Japan, some who love Japan and some who dont feel either way

There are some Japanese who dislike KOrea, some who love Korea and some who dont feel either way

There are some Chinese who dislike Japan, some who love Japan and some who dont feel either way.

There are some English who dislike France, some who love France and some who dont feel either way.


an entire race cant hate another race, every race is the same in this matter.

As far as I know, Chinese whores do not discriminate.




Prostitutes are really just into money and have very little self-esteem to speak of. It is not like a Japanese prostitute is going to advertise and let anyone she know find out she has been sleeping with Chinese or Korean. If even prostitutes in Japan discriminated against Korean/Chinese, then you would know how bad the racism and discrimination are. The mindset that Koreans and Chinese are "lesser" sub-specie must be deeply embedded into Japanese minds to make even a prostitute to not want to take Korean/Chinese client. It's like, prostitutes do people, not non-humans like dogs or donkeys or horses. Koreans and Chinese are not exactly that low but you get the point.

BTW, I have watched hunderds of Japan AV movies, have you ever seen a japanese AV star have sex with a korean man or chinese man, or any other kind male asians?

I don't hate Japan, I don't hate japanese people. In fact, I used to listen to their music, watched their movies. But later on , I found Korean movies and music are more attractive.
well, anyway, I even like Japanese culture, and Japanese attitude toward their jobs, and their creativities. and I will have japanese sushi 4-5 times a month in average.
However, I really hate japanese government's behavior and their attitude toward other asian countries, and they even brainwash their citizens to discriminate other people. They talk friendly, they let the rest of the whole world recongize them as a civilized country. But indeed, Japanese government insult all neighbors and keep creating hatres between countries and their people.
Wanna be friend? Stop visiting that shrine first.

I dont know if you are talking to me. But if you are, Then here is my reply.

I dont hate Japanese. I never said i did. I love Japan. Ive been studying the langauge for a several years. I love the culture, I love the people, I have a japanese penpal, i also have Japanese relatives, but i dont like japanese anime. I love a lot of japanese things.

The things i have said, does not come from hate. These things are not about either you like Japan or not. Its not about picking sides. Its about what happened.

The wierd thing is, i dont say this stuff anywhere else. I just noticed i only do it here in AF. I never talk about this kinda stuff with anybody in the world. Only here when people say something stupid about Koreans and Japanese. I start to feel a little defensive. But yeah, I'm just being real here.

Ewww.....

how do you know if they are japanese or not...their faces are blurred most of the time

Any different if it's Japanese chicks? Or Taiwanese guys on Mainland chicks?
Who the fu-k cares. It's consentual.

Anyone been to Eurosexparties? Same exact thing, minus the ridiculous spin you guys put on it. I can hardly see how fapping to another country's women can be construed as racist. If anything, it's a compliment.

NOOOOOO YOURE NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT IM SAYING

Im saying that in every country in the world there are ALL types of people. Sure there are Koreans who hate Japan, but there are also Koreans who LOVE Japan. Every country has different people, you cant generalize an entire race.

Yes, Thats true. Good point to make in this thread.

I dont like it when people generalize a whole race.

Why do you say so?

^ SantaKlaws calls everyone a dumbass. That's his most frequently used word.

The anti-Japan inferiority complex is so evident in South Korea. So much so that many South Koreans consider Japan to be a bigger threat then the North!

When was the last time the Japanese military killed a South Korean? WWII. When was the last time the North killed South Koreans? 2002. 6 sailors were killed by the North Korean navy in the yellow sea. Dokdo is small potatoes compared to the tensions between North and South.


Check out this childrens artwork. Who could have taught them this hatred I wonder?

http://aog.2y.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=1550&st=0

The Internet fool. Ever been to Naver?

Because I found his reasoning to be ludicrous. Only a few morons suffering from inferiority complex try to use the past confucian hierarchy to look down on Japanese, because that $hit has no relevance in modern societies. Most Koreans simply accept the fact that Japan is more developed and we looked up to it as a model nation for the past decades(this is past tense because Japan's no longer a model nation these days, except for some ultra-conservatives).

It's not Japan's "insolence" and "ungratefulness" that pisses off Koreans. It's Japan's unapologetic behavior, not necessarily verbal, that pisses us off. Go ask the Jews how'd they feel once the German chancellor starts worshipping Hitler and Germans start using the swastichika(or whatever) on their warships.

The author's a major dumbass who has no insight in Korean culture, and just wrote that piece of $hit just to earn some money.

I think we asian can tell who is chinese and korean and japanese. right? and they speak japanese too

Its not unusual to get angry after hearing about how your people were treated badly for no reason. The way they were killed for no reason. The way girls were separated from families to become sex slaves. The way they used us as lab rats in labratories and ripping us open alive. The way they did not let us do anything Korean and forcing us to Japanize. Not a bad reason to get angry about. Also Children tend to be way more open than older people. So we see their raw feelings and how children might react. I think it is a little too early for them to be taught about this kinda stuff yet though.

If their faces are blurred I dont see how you'd magically know, unless you have a habit of perving on japanese mens buttcheeks and have noticed something the rest of the world is unaware of.
Not all japanese speakers are japanese

Japan is trying to save their face by visiting the Shrine
Its the very least they dont want to loose

German Chancellor Willy Brandt paying respects to Jewish Victims of WW2



Japanese Prime Minister Koizumi paying respects to war dead and war criminals


Any idea why Japan's neighbors are a little ticked?

BTW, not all Koreans hate Japan, so stop generalizing

Well, here's a case in point. Accusing South Koreans of an "inferiority complex" while at the same time accusing them of not knowing whats going on around their own country is pretty arrogant, no? Stop assuming the other side is stupid and maybe they'll stop looking at you like an enemy.

Take your ignorance somewhere else. South Korea doesnt see Japan as a threat, they see North Korea as a bigger threat.

South Korea and Japan are going through a time of strained diplomatic tensions.

In my experience, people over 35 see NK as the bigger threat. The young generation sees Japan as the bigger threat.

^ Actually, most younger South Koreans see CHINA as the biggest threat. That's from a newspaper article I read a while ago.

Whatever, I don't pay much attention on their male actors.
But can you say in gerneral, The discriminations toward other Asian in Japan are less than other Asian Countries? Or can you say, japanese has more reason to discriminate other asians?

people over 40 see NK as the Threat. the younger generation is caught up on japan's soft culture, id say its about 50/50 in the younger generation,

Lets see how much more we can starve-out the North Koreans - the World.

They can like Japanese culture. Doesn't mean they like every aspect of the Japanese. The government head, for example, is mistrusted even by most of the younger generation.

I'm not yet 20 so I guess I'm part of the young generation?
as KJlost said I still mistrust the japanese government, not japanese on individual basis but the government.
but NK has a lot of potential to harm SK so I'll that the most imminet threat for SK right now is NK and in the long term effect japan.
about the whole japan apologysing I think I would be really willing to streangten ties with japan if japan would just make an honest formal apology, I'm not saying I'll forget about everything but I'll most certainly truly forgive them. and please don't pay tribute to war criminals, thats just messed up