Read carefully the link you have provided. You are contradicting yourself. I also don't know who you are, but you seem to be too obsessed being a Chitpavan and hating the north indians. Let me show you what is in the link you gave me.

It says that Chitpavans could have Irano-Scynthian ancestory. Let me tell you that Scynthians were a barbarian tribe. Scythians

Now read this link carefully.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Scythians

It clearly states that the people you call barbarians came from the same stock that you belong.

Now some more of the link you gave.

So it is not you but many Chitpavans try to compare thamselves to the mediterranean people and east-europeans. Is there any genetic comparison of Chitpavans with the Northern Brahmins ? Non right. Show me some evidence to convince me that how Chitpavans are more closer to the medeteranian people and less to the north indians. The central asians were the real barbarian hords and this link says Chitpavans are related to them. Read it carefully.

Above all I took my arguement from wikipedia may be I confused Chitpavans with Goud Saraswat Brahmins of Konkan-Goa-Maharastra region. I took my arguements from this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goud_Saraswat_Brahmins.
But don't blame me for that because there is no recorded history of Chitpavan Brahmins prior to 14-15 A.D.

Shouldn't you be watching KBC or oppressing dalits?! I have nothing to do with Pakis or Northies. My own genography test which was administered by National geographic/IBM linked me with people from from the Czech Republic and Southern Russia. With genome test more common it seems Chitpavans may not be homongenous group.

Why on earth do u want to associate with ppl from Czech Republic and Southern Russia? Tha's like going backward nd barbaric!

Since u r bent on going back couple thousand years, i am sure, a thousand years prior ppl came from Africa. So, why not go all the way back?

Interesting thread

The link you gave says Chitpavans have Irano-Scythian origins, which would mean you are related to the Persian "barbarians" after all. The Jats and a few other Northwest Indian ethnic groups also have Indo-Scythian origins, so you are related to some Northwest Indian/Pakistani "barbarians" aswell.

if gomeny wants to put himself in a box, let him. Deeper issues are at work here.

What kind of arguement is this?


It is Genealogy and not genography. I can see that you don't even know the correct spelling. If you had researched enough before taking this kind of test you might know that it is a highly innacurate test. It is only based on the information that the customer provides about his/her ancestors, surname, nationality etc and experts map out the customers ancestory with the help of a database they already have. It is just a money minting thing.

You answer me that how Chitpavans are more closer to the czech and southern russians and less to the north indians. Can your genealogy test determine that much? I think no.

It seems you have nothing to do with India as well. If you are so much linked to the czechs and russsians why you are in India Chat. Why you referred to KBC and opression of Dalits? You should rather whine over Chechen problem. If you go to Czech Republic they will think you are a Roma. Now google for "Roma" you will know what I mean.

Have your genome test I think it is better if your so much concerned of your roots. Take a north indian along with you for the test I am sure he will be more similar to you genetically than a czech or a russian.

Just because some Indian's have light eyes does not make them look white. They still have Indian faces, and features, and skin color. You can see Indian/Oriental mixtures in their looks. Its quite obvious.

Here's the difference between Pakistani blue eyed people and Indian light eyed people. You can clearly see a difference in facial features, especially Pakistani's who have more integration with Persians, because they are our neighbours. Here's Paki-people from Balochistan, and mountains north of Rawalpindi (Punjab).
Pakistani people are fairer and more frequently light eyed than Indian's.

^ What type of arguement is this. Pakistan was part of India before theres not much difference betwen the two. Your only showing pictures of people from North-West Frontier Province and Kashmir. Why you people love to worship the Persians?


This is Indian territory. Give us back our territory.


The man is an ethnic Pastun from North-West Frontier Province, which is traditionally more similar to Afghanistan rather than Pakistan. The eyes of this man is hardly visible in this photo.

Only blonde hair strands are visible in all these pictures. Eyes are not properly visible at all. Even if they are visible they appear as dark brown rather than blue. Show me the eye color.

Uh, this kid looks pretty Indian to me regardless of the bright eyes. Round face, brown skin, big eyes, etc. He even has the deep under-eye circles that Indians are stereotyped to have.

That man looks more like a Kalash or Nuristani rather than a Pashtun. The Kalasha and Nuristani tribes are known for having more people with blonde hair and blue eyes. There is also a smaller Kalasha community in India aswell, in parts of Kashmir and Ladakh.

I think that's semi-true. Pakistanis tend to have lighter skin than many Indians, but it's a skin colour that's pretty common amongst North Indians.

Pakistani features are also closer to Indians more than anyone still, due to the fact that it was India until only 60 years ago, so to claim greater integration with Persians isn't correct.

Indians (and South Asians in general) also have a great amount of variety, as there's no specific features that can be attributed to the people, so again, to claim Indians with light eyes don't look white (which they might not, but there's also just as good a chance they will) is again incorrect.

Since a lot of Pakistanis are proper Indian migrants before the partition, do the light-skinned or light-eyed Muhajirs still count in the tally up of your observation?


I've always wondered that.

I didn't know about these people before. Now I get to learn something thanks. But the man is wearing a pasto cap so I thought may be he is a pashtun. We need to ask the man in that picture about his ethinicity lolz. Are you from Bangladesh or Pakistan? You know too much about Pakistan.

I searched further about Kalash, Nuristani people and I found this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalasha_of_Chitral

To my surprise I get to know that these people worship various Gods just like Hindus and ancient Greeks. They are said to be the decendants of Greek soldiers from Alexendera's army but this theory is disputed.

And this is also a nice read. Nuristanis are former Kalash people, but forced to convert.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuristani

A lot of Indians got naturally green, hazel, and honey coloured eyes.

But my Indian friends who got blue eyes either got in contact lens or they are
mixed somehow even if it was decades back........for example their great great grandmother
Was Irish or something...

Some bollywood stars got naturally coloured eyes but a lot them also got in contacts,
Some of them wear contacts so much that u would think it their real eye colour lol
Like celina jaitley-laugh

^ Why don't you read posts in this thread and educate yourself.

I have a baby cousin with blue eyes. There's no mixed blood in there whatsoever. People in that family don't even want to marry outside of their specific tribe either, and have been living in secluded villages for centuries.

U don’t need to get offensive

I am talking about my friends
I did not say all Indians

Please read my post and don’t take offence...im really not trying to be rude

I got two Indian friends who got blue eyes
But they are mixed with Irish.....they have Irish great grandmother

Another is half Dutch

And next is wearing contacts

I don't need to educate myself in this topic..cause I already know plenty of my Indian friends who got coloured eyes-love , so all this is old news.....this topic been made so many times




how old is that baby?


what tribe is that?

My cousin is 6. She's still a baby to me though.






Why? I don't think jiggyjiggy wants to hear me repeat myself.

damn straight.

I didn't get offensive at all. Why need to feel that bad? I get offensive to someone if they say something wrong, and you didn't say anything wrong or bad.


Ok I got your point, sorry.

damn alot of these kids look rough.

I am a Bangman. I just like learning about Asian history in general, as well as Mediterranean history.

The origins of the Kalasha and Nuristanis are indeed disputed. Some say they were descendants of Greeks, while others say they were indigineous to the Himalayan regions.


I don't think Vaman meant it in a bad way lol.

another thing its just not only pakistan and india with people that have light colour skins or fair coloured and different colour eyes

in bangladesh they also hav there same

mainly in the syhlet distrct area which is the north east of bangladesh you would find the light coloured and different coloured eyed people

Do kalash people live in mountainous areas of Pakistan? People living in high elevation regions often have light hair and light eyes.

I remember reading a month ago that Kalash ppl weren't decendants of Greeks and a genetic testing proved that.

CAn't get u that link though.

I had bright blue eyes when I was a little kid. Now I have eyes that are a dull green around and a bright brown in the middle. My great-grandmother on my moms side had bright green eyes and my grandfather on my dads side has blue eyes.

That's where my family is from. Most of my family and relatives are as light as Kashmiris (or even Italians), but some of us are also as dark as Sri Lankans (i.e. me). Some of us have light eyes, but dark eyes are still a lot more common.


Light hair and light eyes originally occured in cold environments. Likewise, epicanthic folds and single eyelids also originally occurred in cold environments.


I think it's unlikely the Kalasha are descended from Greeks. Light eyes and light hair is probably more common among the Kalasha than it is among the Greeks. I've also read about their genetics, which indicate that they were already present in South Asia long before Alexander.

so jagger you syhlety r u,
thats cool i also have family from there and in my family my sister has green eyes and fair as fu-k i mean white man. i also have many other family members in the uk and bengi land that have coloured eyes also in calcuta aswell.

and i also think iv got some oriental ancestory cuz every one from my dads side is like oriental looking with fair ness and dark ness skin colour my little sister gets away of being chinese well thats wat her friends think she fair and looks chinese lol i remember joking around with her when she was young that she wasnt apart of our family that she was adopted lol

any way my little brother he also looks thailadesh the gimp stays out all day gets dark (kala)

but me and my sister who has green eyes are told that were like pakis or arab or something like that cuz were fair in colour actully my sister gets away with being white or easten european lol

Ronny, are you Sylheti or Bangladeshi or West Bengali or what exactly?

My mum, brother and sister are all just as white as Greeks or Italians. On the other hand, me and my dad are just as dark as Sri Lankans. I've got one other other sister who is medium brown though. I've also got some relatives who have Far Eastern features, like epicanthic folds, single eyelids, smaller noses, etc. They're usually darker though, but a few lighter ones have been mistaken for Chinese.

North Indians such as people from Kashmir, Punjab, Haryana, Himachal, Uttaranchal, Uttar-Pradesh and the Rajasthanis have the similar characteristics as the Europeans. North-East Indians have Mongoloid charteristics and are similar to East-Asians/Chinese.

The Punjabi-Sikhs, my friends, my family and I are light-brown to fair skin. Few of my cousins side who are from Germany, German-Indians are white-skinned Punjabis and the Germans mistake them as one of their own!!


Some Random Punjabis, singers and actor

i would personaly say am syhlety cuz we speak syhlety at home but my familys wareabouts is fu-ked up man

like my dads dad his family are from calcuta but he moved to syhlet and start living there cuz hes mother was from bangladesh and my dads mum is from syhlet and also have roots further up near assam areas my mum her family is super fu-ked up dont get me wrong she's bangladeshi and so is her family but its still fu-ked up if u look at them u would know wat i mean. i dont want to bother with that but u catch the drift on wat i mean man

as you said that ur sisters and ur mum brobs get away for being greek or italian

wat a cowencidence in uni i was aproched by a gal in my class who is greek that she thought i was greek i said nope then she sid cyprus i said nope guess again italian nope am bangldeshi she was shocked lol

b!tch she was saying that " but bangalis are short and dark and fat" i was like "u wat"

b!tch kind off made me depressed rite there and then lol any ways she wanted to go out with init lol

ill tell u wat bengis aint short no more there all growing all my cusins in bangladesh and calcuta are tall my grandads tall my uncles tall am tall am 6ft but my dads short his bout 5ft6 lol

anyways man i talk to much
safe

yeah I agree with you, they have hazel, greenish-gray eyes... ppl in northern indian are likely to have these variation in eye colours oppose to ppl in other parts of India...

Finally, I'm not the only Bangman on this forum! I was feeling lonely here this whole time.

Are you a Brit too? What's wrong with how your mum's family looks like? Do they look White/Black/East Asian? Bengalis could be mistaken for almost any other ethnic group.

Height usually depends on nutrition. That's probably why first generation Bengalis are often shorter than the UK average (5'9), but their second generation kids are usually about the same height as the average Brit.


What part of India are you from? Somewhere in the north?

WTF, how come FOBBED out Indians are the most rascist(not you Jagger).

Which fob?

Proud Punjabi, jatt with gutts, and just about every other FOB here.

First of all Im no 'FOB'...you cannot be 'most racist', your either racist or not...thats a very silly remark. I dont believe I have offended any race, I may be just representing the Punjabis,Indians, which may look bais and create an impression of being 'racist' in your views, quite frankly I dont care what you percieve me as, your a very offensive person, personally I do have friends that are black, white, brown from various backgrounds and we get along very well and do not make racist remarks.

yeah am a brit

my mum theres nothing wrong is just that she has blood releatives from many areas of asia were as my dad is kinda simialr but fuk all that all i see is bengi power

any way bengalis are fu-king growing taller man no fu-king joke i mean fu-king hell there geting taller people at the past used to thinnk bengis were short but it aint gona be true for long cus there all fu-king growing there average height in bengi land now is 5ft8 to 5ft9,
but its just not bengi land every other country in asia the "now generations" are growing as well
china japan korea ect.....

Sanjay is half-Punjabi. His mom Nargis is a UP Muslim.

wats a up muslim

I meant that she's a Muslim from the state of U.P. (Uttar Pradesh). It's a North Indian state near Delhi. UP is just a shorter and easier abbreviation/way of saying Uttar Pradesh.

I know I'm offensive(usually it's to get points across), I'm self actualized enough to realize it. But you sir are in denial about your fobness and your own subconcious racialism.

As Asian countries develop, people will naturally become taller with each generation.


That made me giggle.


Being racialist doesn't necessarily mean he is racist.

I'm Bengali and while the majority of population in Bangladesh is short- You would find that the upperclass in Bangladesh tend to be a lot taller. In my own family everyone seems to be of reasonable height-all the males are above 5feet nine. In fact id say most are about 5 10-5 11. I dont know why people just assume Bengali's are short cos theres so many tall ones around!

Regarding skin and eye colour, I dont see what the big deal is. Persoally in my opinion light - medium brown skin or tanned is the HOTTEST skin colour to have. I find those with tannish skin and dark dark black eyes incredibly goodlooking. I have seen heaps of Indians, Pakistainis and Bengalis who do not have the traditional dark brown eyes- My best friend who is pakistain has the most beautfiul green eyes, tanned skin, and chocolate brown hair, my great grandmother had blue eyes, and my grandmothers sister has blueish eyes. Lots of people also have really light brown eyes which are beautiful

And actually I find the term 'fob' quite racist-isn't it racism against your own culture? Ie negating superiority with those who are the diaspora and those who are not?(BTW i myself have been bought up overseas)

so s s were u from meaning which country u are living in r u from uk or usa or some were else

Hmm, another Bangman. Are you Sylheti too?

By the way,

Agreed 100% .

Another silly remark, maybe it highlights your character...being a 'Racist' as you assume and 'Racialism' are two different issues. Anyway I have not made any racist remarks on races, I think all humans be it, black, white, brown are beautiful...Its all God's will, in Sikhism showing equality is necessary, no-matter what race,caste etc one is. Try finding me anywhere on this forum where I have made any 'racist remarks' lol. Ill save you from your embaressment, non-offensively which also gets points across, I have not...I have replied about Indians on the India Forum on Asiafinest, mainly Punjabis as I can relate and other Indians from different states of the Motherland.

FOB.