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little_egg
Keris is a unique weapon synonymous to the Malay kingdom. In the ancient time, a man without a keris was akin to being naked. Simply defined, a keris is a double edged wavy blade dagger. However, what makes a blade a keris is not at its wavy form but the intricate details found at the surface of the blade; details that only exist in a blade named ‘keris’. There is always adventure and nobility in a keris. Because of its substantial significance to the Malay world, keris is always highly venerated and placed at the uppermost stature.


Keris is a unique weapon synonymous to the Malay kingdom. In the ancient time, a man without a keris was akin to being naked. Simply defined, a keris is a double edged wavy blade dagger.

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However, what makes a blade a keris is not at its wavy form but the intricate details found at the surface of the blade; details that only exist in a blade named ‘keris’. There is always adventure and nobility in a keris. Because of its substantial significance to the Malay world, keris is always highly venerated and placed at the uppermost stature.

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forrestcat
The Keris of Muslim Malays differ from the ones from the ones the Hindu Balinese uses. Balinese keris have beatiful carvings of gods and animals on the keris hilt, sheath and sometimes on the blade.

Meanwhile, since Islam forbids such figures and carving of gods and animals, Muslim Malay keris are usually plain without any carvings or have carvings of Koranic verses on the hilt,sheath and cover.

Despite the differences, both Malay/Balinese cultures believes that the Keris could summon magic.
little_egg
QUOTE(forrestcat @ Aug 1 2006, 05:02 PM) [snapback]2114747[/snapback]

The Keris of Muslim Malays differ from the ones from the ones the Hindu Balinese uses. Balinese keris have beatiful carvings of gods and animals on the keris hilt, sheath and sometimes on the blade.

Meanwhile, since Islam forbids such figures and carving of gods and animals, Muslim Malay keris are usually plain without any carvings or have carvings of Koranic verses on the hilt,sheath and cover.

Despite the differences, both Malay/Balinese cultures believes that the Keris could summon magic.



Good information forrestcat, even thought I am not sure about that.

Does anyone know where in Malaysia can I find a well-crafted keris? Not the one used as souvenir? confused.gif
jason76
interesting read, more pictures?
forrestcat
I ave watched a documentary about Keris on Discovery Channel, hence, I had some knowledge on the differences between pre-Islamic and Islamic Keris.

As I recalled, the best place to get a Keris is in Bali and Java. The biggest Keris in the world is in Bali where there are still Keris makers and is quite old about 100 years or so. I am not aware of any Keris makers in Malaysia, modernisatiom might have killed off the trade in Malaysia. My granduncle has a Keris inherited from my great granparents, he takes good care of it and it still sharp and very beautiful. I last saw it when he made some sort of ritual for medicinal purposes on his daughter, my granduncle is kinda like a part time bomoh in my family.
HangPC2
Keris in Okinawa


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Bhaskara
Err...I'm kinda disagree on the synanomousity of Keris with the Malay Kingdom. Of course I admit that Keris is important to Malay, but it's also important to many ethnic group in Indonesia.

The culture of Keris is still very much alive in Indonesia, notably in Java. The Keris is a sacred weapon, it is made with the most care and not everybody can make them. A person who make keris is called an "Empu", and they are higly revered (this is true especially in the past).

Nice pics, btw. I would love to see more. I think I ever saw a Malaysian Keris but with much more golden ornaments. Do u have any pic on that?
Betong
Long keris

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Taming Sari in hand of Perak Sultanate

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Largest keris in the world
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Keris Pendek (Kedah Sultanate)
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malaccan
QUOTE(Betong @ Nov 15 2006, 08:36 AM) [snapback]2483784[/snapback]

Long keris
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That was so last year. This is from yesterday.
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Sirs, less rhetoric, more substance please.

QUOTE(Betong @ Nov 15 2006, 08:36 AM) [snapback]2483784[/snapback]

Taming Sari in hand of Perak Sultanate
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Wrong caption lah Betong.
I tried to look for the real Taming Sari at Sungai Duyong where Hang Tuah had cast them. No luck. icon_sad.gif
Betong
^^^Story about Taming Sari....

Legend had it that the mystical keris Taming Sari could fly and seek out the enemy, just like modern missiles. Not only that but it would even rattle in its sheath to warn its owner of potential danger.

In the 15th. Century, when he wanted to ask for the hand in marriage of Majapahit princess Raden Galoh Chandra Kirana, Sultan Mansur Shah traveled to Java with his royal bodyguard, Hang Tuah.

Unfortunately, Hang Tuah, instead of the Sultan, became the center of attention there.This was the opportunity that Pateh Gajah Mada had been waiting for to oust Hang Tuah permanently from the Sultan’s favourite list.

The envious palace official engaged a Javanese warrior, Taming Sari, to kill Hang Tuah but the tables turned and Hang Tuah won the fight as well as Taming Sari’s keris (also named Taming Sari). Thus began the legendary saga of Malaysia’s most celebrated dagger.

Taming Sari, classified as keris kuasa or bawar, is made of an alloy of 20 metal composites, some said to come from bolts holding Mecca’s Holy Kaabah gates.

A keris kuasa is said to poses supernatural powers and has to be “cleansed” in the melimau ceremony periodically to retain its potency.

When he could not persuade Puteri Gunung Ledang to marry Sultan Mahmud, Hang Tuah threw the Taming Sari into Sungai Duyong out of frustration. One legend said that if the Taming Sari surfaced up Sungai Duyong, Melaka will be famous again

Another legend said that Tun Mamat did history a favour when he recovered the Taming Sari for the Sultan’s safekeeping.

In 1511, the Portuguese conquered Malacca and Sultan Mahmud fled to Johor-Riau and later to Kampar in Sumatra.

Taming Sari finally found a permanent home in Perak as part of its state regalia when Sultan Mahmud’s son, Sultan Muzaffar Shah 1, was installed as the first Sultan of Perak and the keris was passed on to his successors till present day.

Footnote: The keris is a weapon peculiar to the Malay Archipelago which encompasses Thailand’s Pattani region, Malaysia, Indonesia, the Philippines’ Mindanao region and certain parts of Cambodia. Historians believe the first keris was developed in 9th. Century and perfected by 14th. Century. In Aceh, the keris is call rencong and Sulawesi, badik.

The keris is surrounded by mystery and there are tales of deaths being caused by simply thrusting the keris into a victim’s footprints.
Sculptures of keris, dating back more than 400 years have been found in Central Java’s Chandi Borobudur where it is known as kujang.

Another keris frequently mentioned in Malay forklore is Keris Mahsuri though no one really knows where it is today. It was said to be the keris used to kill Mahsuri who was wrongly accused of adultery.

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HangPC2
Malay Canon (Meriam Melayu)

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Sri Pattani (Pattani)

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Rocky Cuong V
Looks like a bow and arrow.
Betong
^^^Bravo...
We dun have to use keris anymore
Malay_guy
Keris is nothing but a object of wood and steel. The only mystical properties came from the practice of dark magic. it is forbidden in Islam to practice dark magic.
Bhaskara
I wonder if u can unsheathed the largest keris in the world...'cos if u can't then it'd only be a statue...
Betong
Mystical Weapon from Champa. But rite now in my house...

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Bhaskara
Keris Taming Sari's story is a little weird. If it was a keris of a Javanesse warrior (which was a Hindu Empire back then), it wouldn't hold the bolts from Mecca.....
Betong
Hang Tuah modified it laugh.gif
Bhaskara
Nice theory biggrin.gif
Protoculture
BTW, in Sarawak National Museum, there is an exhibit of Keris Sula collection. Evidently, during Brunei Malay Empire later taken by Brooke White Rajah Dynasty, Keris Sula is used in execution, primarily used to pierced the condemn from the lower abdomen (specifically speaking, stabbed the arse-buttock- & upward) & death are often excruciating.

It was believed the 2nd Rajah White Rajah abolished sula-death execution later on. A Sula Keris tip must be broken after it is commissioned to be retired, as failure to do so will influence the spirit of the Keris to haunt the owner (usually the executioner) to be overcome with madness & committing amok!
Betong
Could you post the picture pls Proto...
I love to see Keris Berhantu ni...
Protoculture
QUOTE(Betong @ Dec 6 2006, 03:41 AM) [snapback]2546219[/snapback]

Could you post the picture pls Proto...
I love to see Keris Berhantu ni...


Unfortunately, no images available online. The ones exhibited in Sarawak museum mostly have their keris tips broken, which lend credibility to the folk tale.

The collection actually former keris sula used in actual execution during White Rajah's time until sula execution was abolished during late 1880s.
dalawapo
QUOTE(Betong @ Dec 5 2006, 02:17 AM) [snapback]2543115[/snapback]

Mystical Weapon from Champa. But rite now in my house...

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how did you come to own a champa keris betong???!! eek.gif

u mean champa from vietnam??
Betong
QUOTE(dalawapo @ Dec 6 2006, 12:46 PM) [snapback]2546786[/snapback]

how did you come to own a champa keris betong???!! eek.gif

u mean champa from vietnam??

I just kidding...
I only have that picture in my house icon_smile.gif
AEROFORCE1
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Malay Canon (Meriam Melayu)

Sri Pattani (Pattani)

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This is the biggest cannon which locate opposite the Thai grand palace. In 2004 Before the mess in the south happen ,some soldier face the cannon to the RTA head quater by the accident ,then they have to move this cannon.
Betong
I just got this from The Star...

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Blade of power and tradition

THE Malay keris is about loyalty and honour. Most Malaysians are familiar with the picture of first Prime Minister Tunku Abdul Rahman, hand raised in the air, shouting “Merdeka” three times. Fewer know that in February 1956 in Malacca, when announcing the date for independence, the Tunku had raised the unsheathed keris to symbolise Malaya’s achievement of independence.

Turning the clock back a few centuries, Hang Tuah’s legendary keris, Taming Sari, was supposed to have been able to “fly in air”, striking whomever harboured evil intent against its owner. And it served only one master – Hang Tuah himself.

Torn between his loyalty to the Sultan of Malacca and his love for his childhood friend, it was with the Taming Sari that Hang Tuah killed Hang Jebat. Then, filled with remorse, Hang Tuah returned the “keris of invulnerability” to the sultan.

It is believed that this Taming Sari is housed at the Istana Iskandariah, in Bukit Chandan, Kuala Kangsar and is used during special ceremonies.

It was with these values in mind that Umno’s founding fathers chose two crossed keris as the symbol of Malay strength for their party flag in 1946. The context of the keris then was the fight for independence, spearheaded by Malay youth movements and Saberkas (Sayang Akan Bangsa, ERtinya Korban Apa Segala), which itself was later absorbed into Umno.

That fire for independence may no longer be relevant but, as the recent Umno general assembly demonstrated in its call to Malay unity, strength and sense of purpose, the fervour has not really waned.

When Umno Youth chief Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Hussein had the Keris Panca Warisan ceremoniously carried into last year's Youth convention, pledging to uphold the Malay struggle, many non-Malays became perturbed over what they perceived to be a call to arms.

This year, he repeated the symbolic unsheathing of the keris. Again, young non-Malays became agitated. The DAP took it up and the subject was even debated in Parliament.

But today's keris is no longer a practical, everyday weapon. Its use is largely ceremonial – and figurative.

As in Perak, each palace, including the Yang di-Pertuan Agong's, has its own royal keris, which each ruler draws from its scabbard and kisses upturned upon his installation.

These sacred keris are not to be trifled with as they hold the ruler's “daulat” or royal power. The concept of power and responsibility to one's subjects is very much tied in with a heritage that spans the Malay world of Indonesia, Malaysia and the southern Philippines.

This is the home of the keris.

The origins of the keris date back to the early 14th century, where its earliest depictions are found in the candi (temples) of the Majapahit kingdom on Java. The names it carried were Sanskrit-derived, reflective of the kingdom’s Hindu antecedents.

When the Majapahit Empire fell apart, its Empu or pandai besi (keris master craftsmen) migrated elsewhere in Indonesia, setting up new enclaves and pledging allegiance to minor rulers. Some went to the West Sumatran palace of Pagar Ruyong and eventually found their way to Terengganu.

In many cases, their descendants continue the tradition, labouring away at simple low workbenches within the vicinity of their stilt houses in Terengganu and Kelantan.

The keris is made by forging various types and grades of metal – iron, nickel and steel are the standard – into a blade of between 30 and 38cm in length. A keris may be straight-bladed or wavy; the latter must have an uneven number of luk (curves), ranging from at least five to 47.

The hilt of the keris may be made of carved wood, horn or ivory, and embellished with a band of silver or gold. The stylised hilts are invariably bent to give a better “pistol-like” grip.

Only royalty may own keris hilts made entirely of silver or gold. According to the late Tan Sri Mubin Sheppard in his Living Crafts of Malaysia, the short keris worn by the Yang di-Pertuan Agong on ceremonial occasions has an ivory King Fisher Head hilt.

The keris is a stabbing weapon. While it could be used to attack, it was more often a weapon of defence due to its lightness of weight and relatively short blade.

Silat exponents are masters of the art, as romanticised in the black and white movies of the late Tan Sri P. Ramlee.

Today, the keris is adopted as a part of proper Malay regalia. In formal settings, a man without a keris is deemed to be half-naked.

Malay bridegrooms traditionally carry a keris, sheathed, securely tied and usually borrowed, on the left of their samping when they turn up at the bride's house. It is there to complete the baju Melayu, without which the attire would smack of impropriety.

Along the same vein, some ranking hereditary datuks are also specifically required to wear the baju Melayu lengkap, complete with the keris, at the palace investiture ceremony.

Those who turn up to receive their awards, however, are generally requested not to do so. In some instances, to do so would be deemed as being derhaka pada raja (treachery to the ruler).

In the royal palace of Negri Sembilan who are descended from Pagar Ruyong, a Yang di-Pertuan Besar who takes on a commoner bride, or marries for a second, third or fourth time, might send his keris on his behalf. Technically, the bride will then be married to his keris, but because it represents the ruler's stature and power – in fact, represents the ruler himself – it is considered culturally acceptable, especially by traditional society.

Many superstitions abound regarding the keris, especially those made over many years and designed as being “personal to holder”.

The Empu would usually go into a spiritual state of prayer, fasting and meditation before he embarks on making a new keris. Sometimes he would dream of its design.

A keris must befit its owner’s status. A soldier cannot carry the keris of a general – it would be “too heavy” for him. He might become feverish, or some calamity might befall him.

In Malay homes, keris are treated with respect, even veneration. Apart from the obvious danger of two sharpened edges and a pointed tip, it is supposed to embody a spirit, which could rattle in its sheath, warning its master of danger.

Folklore has it that once unsheathed, some “spirits of the keris” even crave blood.

And thus, goes the same legend, one should not unsheath the keris if one does not intend to use it.

Even today, keris may not simply be given away. When sold, the transaction is done for a mas kahwin or “bride price”. Keeping the tradition alive, former Prime Minister Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamed when presented with one, bought it for a token silver coin.

By the nature of their intended use, keris have to be pre-ordered. To tide them over, keris makers have resorted to producing smaller versions, with four-inch blades and obviously without spiritual powers, for the tourist market.

As a weapon, the keris has long given way to that other “Western” import – the pistol. Crime stories are full of people being shot, rather than “kerised” to death.

As a symbol of their position in the land bearing their name – “Tanah Melayu” – Malays can become emotional about the keris. But few today own a genuine one. Even fewer know how to use it.

For collectors, its value is almost exclusively ornamental, a piece of
dalawapo
betong u said u have a cham keris in ur house???! confused.gif
HangPC2
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GetItRight
show some gun picture
HangPC2


Tekpi

Tekpi bukanlah merupakan senjata yang berasal dan milik rekaan orang Melayu.Oleh sebab itu tekpi tidak disenaraikan oleh muzium-muzium sebagai senjata lama peninggalan nenek moyang Melayu dahulu kala. jika jepun memanggilnya sai, Melayu menggelarnya tekpi. Senjata ini juga diketahui direka oleh orang cina sejak beratus tahun lampau. Ciri-ciri senjata Melayu tidak menepati apa yang ada pada tekpi.

Tekpi adalah senjata Melayu yang mungkin berasal dari Cina, tetapi Pesilat Melayu di Malaysia, Indonesia, dan Nusantara mahir menggunakan tekpi yang sangat berbeza daripada penggunaan `sai' oleh pengamal karate. Dalam seni beladiri Cina, tekpi hampir tidak wujud! Jika anda menonton Pertandingan Wushu (Beladiri Cina), tidak ada permainan tekpi. Malah filem-filem Kungfu China tidak pernah menampilkan permainan tekpi / sai.

Persoalan sekarang bukanlah samada orang Melayu belajar tekpi daripada `sai' Jepun, tetapi bagaimanakah status tekpi dimartabatkan oleh silat Melayu. Bangsa Melayu berhak menggunakan tekpi sebagaimana yang mereka mahir dan tidak adil jika orang luar mengaitkan permainan tekpi dengan `sai Jepun' atau senjata China dan cuba memperlekehkan silat dan tekpi Melayu.

Tekpi patut dan layak dikategorikan sebagai SENJATA MELAYU yang digunakan dengan meluas - malah majoriti silat-silat Melayu seperti Sendeng Malaysia meletakkan tekpi sebagai senjata pilihan kedua selepas keris! Manakala silat Kuntau Tekpi pula menjadikan tekpi sebagai senjata utama!

Silat-silat yang menggunakan tekpi mempunyai unsur-unsur `kuntau' iaitu gerakan-gerakan keras dan pantas yang berasal dari Kuntao China. Ini tidaklah menghairankan kerana Tanah Melayu dan Nusantara menjadi tanahair kepada bangsa-bangsa Asia sejak beratus tahun lagi.

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HangPC2
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Bhaskara
Too small...
HangPC2
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Too small...




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AwangPembela
Keris is nice. It's ok for fighting against/between a small number of people.

But for killing a large number of people fast, which will be required in a big war against many enemies, a sword will be more effective, I think.

A proficient swordsman can kill 5 guys with one 'hunus', one outbound movement of his sword.

Can a keris wielder do that? I doubt it. He'll have to perform 5 thrusting movements. Right?
AwangPembela
I'm still trying t figure out how to place a pic in here. confused.gif

How do ya do that then, guys? laugh.gif
AwangPembela
Plus, you can only use a keris to stab into a soft part of the body, like the stomach, the throat.

You can't use it to stab into a hard, bony part, like the head, cos it might slip from the wielder's grasp n hurt him.

With the sword, you can hack, cleave or stab into any part of the body of your opponent to kill him, without risking hurting yourself from a miswielded sword move, cost it's got a much safer n much more comfortable way of holding the hulu for the user.
HangPC2
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hubba
Seorang ahli spiritual berkata pada saya bahwa pada masanya keris ini dimiliki oleh seorang Daeng, mempunyai kemampuan terbang menghujam mangsanya, tapi saat ini tidak lebih dari koleksi pribadi sahaja.



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dreamhunter
A piece of metal can fly n on its own force. N stab someone of its own choice.

Yeah. Right. So can an elephant, when imbued with supernatural power, magical spirits etc.

Yadda yadda yadda ... Yadda yadda yadda ... Yadda yadda yadda ...
dreamhunter
QUOTE(little_egg @ Aug 1 2006, 04:37 AM) [snapback]2114807[/snapback]
Good information forrestcat, even thought I am not sure about that.

Does anyone know where in Malaysia can I find a well-crafted keris? Not the one used as souvenir? confused.gif

Don't know if this'll be useful to ya.

Try this Pak Ali. He makes souvenir krises n swords for the Malaysian Crafts & Cultural Centre. I only hv his H/P number. It's 6-019-9504 541.

Maybe he could lead ya to a better "tukang" who would satisfy your requirements. If ya're willing to pay accordingly. I'm sure there're still a few guys around making good quality keris. The Sultans n their palace courts still need them, after all.
Henry123
QUOTE(dreamhunter @ Aug 8 2008, 02:39 AM) [snapback]3858079[/snapback]
A piece of metal can fly n on its own force. N stab someone of its own choice.

Yeah. Right. So can an elephant, when imbued with supernatural power, magical spirits etc.

Yadda yadda yadda ... Yadda yadda yadda ... Yadda yadda yadda ...


Ever heard of Ganesh?

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HangPC2
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deadfish
My following words might be rather sensitive, but no offence yar rockon.gif

Many of you are mesmerized by the beauty of keris. I like the design too. But other than being beautiful, and elegant and <insert all other positive words here>, keris reminds me of some rather negative aspects of its design.

A keris is a very cruel weapon. As compared to a normal sword or knife, many keris have wavy blades, which is considerably harder to sharpen. Why go thru so much trouble to design it wavy? Other than "looking nice" i believe it has got a better and more practical purpose: To inflict more pain to the person stabbed.

The ending of a person being stabbed in a battle or fight, whether by sword or by keris, would most likely be the same - dead or badly wounded. But in the case of keris, the stabbing and removal of the stab would inflict much more pain. This not only serve as a very very painful act of vengence, but also it serves as a good deterrence to opponents. Prevention is better than cure, who says primitive Asians aren't smart icon_wink.gif

Thus, in my opinion, keris not only symbolise beauty and culture of Malays (in malaysia), but also a hint of cruelty, vengence. A very well packaged double-edged sword(pun intended, offence NOT).
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QUOTE(little_egg @ Aug 1 2006, 03:55 AM) [snapback]2114732[/snapback]
Keris is a unique weapon synonymous to the Malay kingdom. In the ancient time, a man without a keris was akin to being naked. Simply defined, a keris is a double edged wavy blade dagger. However, what makes a blade a keris is not at its wavy form but the intricate details found at the surface of the blade; details that only exist in a blade named ‘keris’. There is always adventure and nobility in a keris. Because of its substantial significance to the Malay world, keris is always highly venerated and placed at the uppermost stature.
Keris is a unique weapon synonymous to the Malay kingdom. In the ancient time, a man without a keris was akin to being naked. Simply defined, a keris is a double edged wavy blade dagger.


According to the encyclopedia, "the term keris had a Javanese origin, though it cannot be ascertained how it came about. The term "keris" may have originated from the old Javanese word ngeris which means 'to stab' or 'to pierce'. Kris is a European rendering of this Javanese term."

The Malay adopted this weapon (which was invented by savages to stab people) before he became a Muslim, one who submits to God, help the poor and never direct anger towards anyone. Taking pride in the keris is to cling to a backward and primitive tradition. Therefore, to be a Muslim one must stop being a Malay. biggthumpup.gif

Protoculture
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Kris is a European rendering of this Javanese term."


Kris or Keris has being in both classical Malay & Javanese languages hundred of years before Western language adopted 'em, including the infamous word, 'AMOK'.

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The Malay adopted this weapon (which was invented by savages to stab people) before he became a Muslim, one who submits to God, help the poor and never direct anger towards anyone.


Europeans called Chinese as savages once. Heck, Europeans are practically savages too, educated savages they're. They launched 2 WORLD WARS to be exact. The fighting, both brutal & savages.
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