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IniTiaL V.
Hi there, I'm currently studying on a major historical personality and event in modern history and I decided to do Pol Pot. ATM I really can't find any detailed information about the genocide. If you have any links that would be greatly appreciated.


Ofcourse, I would love to hear your opinions on Pol Pot too.
Goombaking209
i dont really know him, but based on his actions and rules i think it's retarded .. becuase during the cultural cleansing, he wanted to destroy everything that was khmer .. how retarded is that?

personally i see no french influence in apsara or carving apsara figurines from wood.

destroying buddisim is destorying the culture -- "durh!"

what i really wonder is "what was his true intent?" ..
Happy Asian
I personally admire him for his patriotism- towards Cambodia, but I hate him for his crimes against Vietnam.
dynomite925
Pol Pot unlike those other mass murderers of our past, was possibly one of the worse because of that fact that he prosecuted his own people. He didn't want a better world, he just wanted one where there are only farmers and uneducated people so that they would not question what he was doing and a plausable reason as to why. I wrote my junior thesis on the whole Khmer Rouge era and that crap was FLIPPEN BRUTAL. there were times where the khmer rouge soldiers who were often brain washed KIDS would tattle on their own parents because they didn't know any better, then there were times when those same soldiers would kill an entire family right in front of their other family members, AND THEY DIDN'T EVEN CARE!

Hun Sen i'm sure was one of the officials or leaders in the whole thing, i swear i don't understand why that @$$hole is still alive and is ranking so high in Cambodia now. Oh and Pol Pot, wasn't the "official" president of Cambodia at the time, i dont think he was one at all actually...but the real man was some guy name Kheui Somphan...i know i spelled that wrong...

i found it kind of ironic and quite scary, that, Pol Pot's real name was Salot Sar (again i apologize for the wrong spelling. but his real name meaning White-Sar,,then theres the whole Khmer Rouge name-red, and the actual president's name has Kheui-blue. (red+white+ blue= american flag-our colors....) that seriously freaked me out...well...theres so much more to say..but not enough time..i hoped this helped.
Guyer
QUOTE(dynomite925 @ Aug 10 2006, 01:59 AM) [snapback]2154312[/snapback]

i found it kind of ironic and quite scary, that, Pol Pot's real name was Salot Sar (again i apologize for the wrong spelling. but his real name meaning White-Sar,,then theres the whole Khmer Rouge name-red, and the actual president's name has Kheui-blue. (red+white+ blue= american flag-our colors....) that seriously freaked me out...well...theres so much more to say..but not enough time..i hoped this helped.

Interesting, red, white and blue are both American and Cambodian flag colours, cool!
crew.
^Merely a coincidence.
Goombaking209
QUOTE(dynomite925 @ Aug 9 2006, 11:59 PM) [snapback]2154312[/snapback]

Pol Pot unlike those other mass murderers of our past, was possibly one of the worse because of that fact that he prosecuted his own people. He didn't want a better world, he just wanted one where there are only farmers and uneducated people so that they would not question what he was doing and a plausable reason as to why. I wrote my junior thesis on the whole Khmer Rouge era and that crap was FLIPPEN BRUTAL. there were times where the khmer rouge soldiers who were often brain washed KIDS would tattle on their own parents because they didn't know any better, then there were times when those same soldiers would kill an entire family right in front of their other family members, AND THEY DIDN'T EVEN CARE!

Hun Sen i'm sure was one of the officials or leaders in the whole thing, i swear i don't understand why that @$$hole is still alive and is ranking so high in Cambodia now. Oh and Pol Pot, wasn't the "official" president of Cambodia at the time, i dont think he was one at all actually...but the real man was some guy name Kheui Somphan...i know i spelled that wrong...

i found it kind of ironic and quite scary, that, Pol Pot's real name was Salot Sar (again i apologize for the wrong spelling. but his real name meaning White-Sar,,then theres the whole Khmer Rouge name-red, and the actual president's name has Kheui-blue. (red+white+ blue= american flag-our colors....) that seriously freaked me out...well...theres so much more to say..but not enough time..i hoped this helped.



Yeh, i was freaked out from Sar as a surname ...

pol pot's riegn probably still lives on cause there is this one freaky arse family that i know carries that surname.. and man, they are insanely brutal .. yes they're khmer, and they lie alot, but i took them seriously when they claimed to be decendents of pol pot..

I witnessed how their dad 'disiplines' his children and one time i when he was teaching khmer class his kids participated in learning as well as other kids from the neighboorhood. His daughter was not paying attention to the lesson so he asked her "what does this read" ? she said "i dont know" then he said "what do you mean you dotn know? i've been talking about this the whole time!" .. then she said "so " ..

before you know it, the whole class heard "pang pow" the sound of what being punched really sounds like .. His arm was straight and stiff with a clenched fist, rigth on his daughter's chest he swung and a hard blow .. and she didnt cry -- the entire class was like WTF?!?! of course we were to scared to say anything so after he dismissed class, everyone stopped attending ...

My brother and my sisters told our mom about it so she was like "As long as he doesnt touch you who cares" ? sure.gif okay mom, we are never going agian!

anywho, that' is DEFINATELY KR act of violence!! is last name was Sar, and ironic enough he is a devout temple goer, participant ..
ducluu
QUOTE(Happy Asian @ Aug 5 2006, 08:20 AM) [snapback]2131858[/snapback]

I personally admire him for his patriotism- towards Cambodia, but I hate him for his crimes against Vietnam.


me too
IniTiaL V.
QUOTE(Happy Asian @ Aug 6 2006, 12:20 AM) [snapback]2131858[/snapback]

I personally admire him for his patriotism- towards Cambodia, but I hate him for his crimes against Vietnam.

i personally wouldn't, he was a stupid hillbilly who joined a youth group full of other stupid hillbillies. a man with no intelligence and envied the ones who were smart. why would someone kill a fellow countryman based on appearance or interlect? because he thought they would revolt. he knew one day the smart and intelligent would overthrow him and his government. he was a dumbass who did not know what was good for his country.
Goombaking209
really ... i read he once worked as a highschool teacher ..
crew.
I recall that he got his college degree at a French university and teamed up with other French-educated Khmers in France to form his government.

Can anybody confirm this?
IniTiaL V.
QUOTE(crew. @ Aug 22 2006, 03:09 PM) [snapback]2204992[/snapback]

I recall that he got his college degree at a French university and teamed up with other French-educated Khmers in France to form his government.

Can anybody confirm this?

he never got his degree, he failed 2 years straight and was sent back to cambodia.
crew.
Thanks for clarifying that initial_v.

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1949 - Pol Pot wins a government scholarship to study radio electronics in Paris. He fails to obtain a degree but becomes enthralled by writings on Marxism and revolutionary socialism and forges bonds with other likeminded young Cambodians studying in the metropolis, including Ieng Sary, Khieu Samphan, Khieu Ponnary and Song Sen. The members of this so-called 'Paris student group' are destined to become the leaders of the Khmer Rouge.

While in Paris Pol Pot also joins the French Communist Party and helps transform the Association of Khmer Students into a platform for nationalist and leftist ideas, openly challenging the Sihanouk government.

In a pamphlet titles 'Monarchy or Democracy' he writes, "(The monarchy) is a vile pustule living on the blood and sweat of the peasants. Only the National Assembly and democratic rights give the Cambodian people some breathing space. ... The democracy which will replace the monarchy is a matchless institution, pure as a diamond."

http://www.moreorless.au.com/killers/pot.html


I knew he was up to no good in France. embarassedlaugh.gif
candyman702
Patriotism my @$$. Patriotism by killing your own kind. Muahahaha. If anything he's more of a jackass.
Happy Asian
^He did what he thought was good.
FiRe_dRaGoN
QUOTE(Happy Asian @ Aug 27 2006, 07:48 AM) [snapback]2224544[/snapback]

^He did what he thought was good.


which turned out to be very big mistake, with the lost of so many lives.
Happy Asian
QUOTE(FiRe_dRaGoN @ Aug 28 2006, 02:03 PM) [snapback]2227454[/snapback]

which turned out to be very big mistake, with the lost of so many lives.

Off course, the percieved threat from within and from VietNam was merely an imagination.
FiRe_dRaGoN
QUOTE(Happy Asian @ Aug 28 2006, 12:03 AM) [snapback]2227694[/snapback]

Off course, the percieved threat from within and from VietNam was merely an imagination.


my dad meant a vietnamese officer during the khmer rhouge ousting who speak khmer, he told my dad tht vietnam didnt even wonna invade cambodia, but some rengade KR(heang samrin, hun sen ask them for help), and due to KR incursions, eventually staying in cambodia to long tht guy left the military, fled to thailand. yer tht invasion almost cost viet an economy no doubt to tht.
Happy Asian
^Very true.

After the first wave of Khmer Rouge attacks in 1977 Hanoi offered the KR leadership a negotiated peace through diplomacy, off course the Khmer Rouge refused and continued to push into VietNamese territory. Using military force was the last resort to ensure the safety of VietNamese borders so the armed forces of VietNam launched the war against the Khmer Rouge in 1978.

The occupation of Cambodia eventually retarded the recovery of VietNam's economy and set Cambodia back several decades, that ugly episode cost both countries dearly.
SavarnnaphumKhmer
QUOTE(IniTiaL V. @ Aug 5 2006, 06:01 AM) [snapback]2130448[/snapback]

Hi there, I'm currently studying on a major historical personality and event in modern history and I decided to do Pol Pot. ATM I really can't find any detailed information about the genocide. If you have any links that would be greatly appreciated.
Ofcourse, I would love to hear your opinions on Pol Pot too.


Hi,

You came into the right place and time, if you are study about the genocide now I highly suggest you go to the section "Vietnamese Hidden faces Behind the Killing Fields" and and tell the West how it really happen and I hope this would change some viewer opinions. And for yourself it would be a great knowledge.

Enjoy

QUOTE(candyman702 @ Aug 27 2006, 01:38 PM) [snapback]2224233[/snapback]

Patriotism my @$$. Patriotism by killing your own kind. Muahahaha. If anything he's more of a jackass.


Kids with a peanut brain like yourself would have a clue about it. Get yourself an idiot guides to Cambodia

QUOTE(Happy Asian @ Aug 28 2006, 08:09 PM) [snapback]2229182[/snapback]

^Very true.

After the first wave of Khmer Rouge attacks in 1977 Hanoi offered the KR leadership a negotiated peace through diplomacy, off course the Khmer Rouge refused and continued to push into VietNamese territory. Using military force was the last resort to ensure the safety of VietNamese borders so the armed forces of VietNam launched the war against the Khmer Rouge in 1978.

The occupation of Cambodia eventually retarded the recovery of VietNam's economy and set Cambodia back several decades, that ugly episode cost both countries dearly.


Sorry but peace from the Vietnamese is dirty and nasty and your version of the invasion are from hanoi education.

QUOTE(FiRe_dRaGoN @ Aug 28 2006, 10:26 AM) [snapback]2227971[/snapback]

my dad meant a vietnamese officer during the khmer rhouge ousting who speak khmer, he told my dad tht vietnam didnt even wonna invade cambodia, but some rengade KR(heang samrin, hun sen ask them for help), and due to KR incursions, eventually staying in cambodia to long tht guy left the military, fled to thailand. yer tht invasion almost cost viet an economy no doubt to tht.


And the Vietnamese officer think your dad was a sheep that why he told him like that. I hope you have some clue my gullible Khmer

QUOTE(Happy Asian @ Aug 5 2006, 04:50 PM) [snapback]2131858[/snapback]

I personally admire him for his patriotism- towards Cambodia, but I hate him for his crimes against Vietnam.



What crimes did Pol Pot do to the Vietnamese while Vietnamese butcher millions of Cambodian?
Goombaking209
survanna, what was teh real main reason why cambodians did not escape to the US?

was it because those propaganda stories about how americans are cannibles?

my teacher went to chico state University and had a khmer student as a lab partner in chemistry .. time went by, blah blah my teacher got to know more about the cambodia situation and how that khmer student wanted his family to come .. but they were afraid 'americans will eat them cause teh KR tells khmers that'
SavarnnaphumKhmer
QUOTE(Goombaking209 @ Sep 23 2006, 09:06 AM) [snapback]2322384[/snapback]

survanna, what was teh real main reason why cambodians did not escape to the US?

was it because those propaganda stories about how americans are cannibles?

my teacher went to chico state University and had a khmer student as a lab partner in chemistry .. time went by, blah blah my teacher got to know more about the cambodia situation and how that khmer student wanted his family to come .. but they were afraid 'americans will eat them cause teh KR tells khmers that'


You tell me what is the real reason? First Cambodian should escape to Thailand than think about the U.S.
Well maybe that teacher and that Khmer student had no clue what had really happen in Cambodia at all. Are you curious about it?
lemongrass
QUOTE(SavarnnaphumKhmer @ Sep 23 2006, 05:00 PM) [snapback]2324560[/snapback]

You tell me what is the real reason? First Cambodian should escape to Thailand than think about the U.S.
Well maybe that teacher and that Khmer student had no clue what had really happen in Cambodia at all. Are you curious about it?

Where did you learned your English?
SavarnnaphumKhmer
QUOTE(lemongrass @ Sep 28 2006, 01:37 PM) [snapback]2340708[/snapback]

Where did you learned your English?


I learn in refugee camp, well my englah is really bad you can tell i'm sure about it.
dynomite925
doesnt any one wonder...if the whole khmer rouge reign never happened....most of us, here or anywhere in the US would not be here? ....still...i might've been happier in cambodia where my country was prospering with no disruption like some crazed @$$hole thirsty for power. I mean fine...he sed he wanted to build a country where the people would be happier whatever....instead he fu-ked up a once beautiful place that is now still slowly working to build itself back up...fu-ken a.
SavarnnaphumKhmer
QUOTE(dynomite925 @ Sep 29 2006, 09:30 PM) [snapback]2344505[/snapback]

doesnt any one wonder...if the whole khmer rouge reign never happened....most of us, here or anywhere in the US would not be here? ....still...i might've been happier in cambodia where my country was prospering with no disruption like some crazed @$$hole thirsty for power. I mean fine...he sed he wanted to build a country where the people would be happier whatever....instead he fu-ked up a once beautiful place that is now still slowly working to build itself back up...fu-ken a.


Only if the Viet cong war didn't spill over into Cambodia.
Saigonese87
QUOTE(SavarnnaphumKhmer @ Sep 29 2006, 04:26 PM) [snapback]2345212[/snapback]

Only if the Viet cong war didn't spill over into Cambodia.


shifting the blame over to vietnam ain't going to make cambodia richer....and i ask myself why cambodia is alway behind vietnam economically....while vietnam worry about the future, cambodia is still stuck in the past, for a better indochina mean that we should concentrate on economic developement, and not fight each other over a war that happen for more than 3 decade ago.
LVF
QUOTE(Saigonese87 @ Sep 30 2006, 10:03 AM) [snapback]2347389[/snapback]

shifting the blame over to vietnam ain't going to make cambodia richer....and i ask myself why cambodia is alway behind vietnam economically....while vietnam worry about the future, cambodia is still stuck in the past, for a better indochina mean that we should concentrate on economic developement, and not fight each other over a war that happen for more than 3 decade ago.


SO TRUE
SavarnnaphumKhmer
QUOTE(Saigonese87 @ Sep 30 2006, 05:33 PM) [snapback]2347389[/snapback]

shifting the blame over to vietnam ain't going to make cambodia richer....and i ask myself why cambodia is alway behind vietnam economically....while vietnam worry about the future, cambodia is still stuck in the past, for a better indochina mean that we should concentrate on economic developement, and not fight each other over a war that happen for more than 3 decade ago.


Me shifting blame over to vietnam! where and how did you come up with that conclusion? Cambodia are and is already rich from the start and so what do you want from Khmer? Fish, gold, Angkor? your economic how good is it, while your brothel industry is doing better. Sure the Cambodian can concentrate on helping each other but please don't play dirty tricks or stab us on the back and lesson are all the same. Only if little Ho were alive today he would have cracked your head open. Peace is good so learn your past and teach your own people and no need of you telling me about my country. biggthumpup.gif

QUOTE(LVF @ Oct 1 2006, 02:20 AM) [snapback]2348571[/snapback]

SO TRUE


Have some though because two words do you no good
Saigonese87
QUOTE(SavarnnaphumKhmer @ Sep 30 2006, 11:39 PM) [snapback]2349345[/snapback]

Me shifting blame over to vietnam! where and how did you come up with that conclusion? Cambodia are and is already rich from the start and so what do you want from Khmer? Fish, gold, Angkor? your economic how good is it, while your brothel industry is doing better. Sure the Cambodian can concentrate on helping each other but please don't play dirty tricks or stab us on the back and lesson are all the same. Only if little Ho were alive today he would have cracked your head open. Peace is good so learn your past and teach your own people and no need of you telling me about my country. biggthumpup.gif
Have some though because two words do you no good


you just dug your own grave, there are way more brothel in cambodia than vietnam, embarassedlaugh.gif
SavarnnaphumKhmer
QUOTE(Saigonese87 @ Oct 1 2006, 07:02 PM) [snapback]2350185[/snapback]

you just dug your own grave, there are way more brothel in cambodia than vietnam, embarassedlaugh.gif


Actually I'm digging the grave for you bro, Cambodia has some 10,000 prostitutes and among them are vietnamese which run and operate under your viet leader who acknowledge himself as Khmer. The man i'm talking about is Hok Lundy the police chief of Cambodia but he is not Khmer. While your women spreading legs for American canon and now you also spread it into Cambodia. Sorry but Cambodian women are not like that and how they end up as a prostitute is desperation and force into such act. So sad you are blind to know such thing. icon_wink.gif
supernovasp
^^ You just revealed your true facade there, buddy.
SavarnnaphumKhmer
QUOTE(supernovasp @ Oct 2 2006, 12:34 AM) [snapback]2351007[/snapback]

^^ You just revealed your true facade there, buddy.


Don't you want facts?
Saigonese87
QUOTE(SavarnnaphumKhmer @ Oct 1 2006, 04:00 PM) [snapback]2350996[/snapback]

Actually I'm digging the grave for you bro, Cambodia has some 10,000 prostitutes and among them are vietnamese which run and operate under your viet leader who acknowledge himself as Khmer. The man i'm talking about is Hok Lundy the police chief of Cambodia but he is not Khmer. While your women spreading legs for American canon and now you also spread it into Cambodia. Sorry but Cambodian women are not like that and how they end up as a prostitute is desperation and force into such act. So sad you are blind to know such thing. icon_wink.gif


yea....and you think the vietnamese women aren't forced in to prostitution? sure.gif at least they are smart enough to do their dirty work in cambodia and not make their motherland look bad...wow vietnamese official in cambodia, vietnam pratically runs cambodia from politic to economic... biggthumpup.gif Good JOB VIETNAM
MasterTango
yes good job vietnam! beerchug.gif ur goverment does so well screwing over their own country they also try to screw there neighbors! good job! You have every reason to be proud saigonese87. Talktohand.gif
Saigonese87
QUOTE(MasterTango @ Oct 4 2006, 06:20 AM) [snapback]2359509[/snapback]

yes good job vietnam! beerchug.gif ur goverment does so well screwing over their own country they also try to screw there neighbors! good job! You have every reason to be proud saigonese87. Talktohand.gif


yes I'm very proud thank you, biggthumpup.gif
MasterTango
QUOTE(Saigonese87 @ Oct 4 2006, 03:07 PM) [snapback]2360731[/snapback]

yes I'm very proud thank you, biggthumpup.gif


If ur proud of that than i hope ur goverment never changes and continues to take advantage of its people.......continue to be proud Saigonese87.....its a good look for you biggthumpup.gif
SavarnnaphumKhmer
QUOTE(Saigonese87 @ Oct 2 2006, 02:45 AM) [snapback]2351285[/snapback]

yea....and you think the vietnamese women aren't forced in to prostitution? sure.gif at least they are smart enough to do their dirty work in cambodia and not make their motherland look bad...wow vietnamese official in cambodia, vietnam pratically runs cambodia from politic to economic... biggthumpup.gif Good JOB VIETNAM



I'm not sure if I should laught or condem such act upon women, I must say viet people are the worst at respect thier woman in all degree. Now ask your mother was she a virgin before she met your dad and how many screw did she get? You so are proud of something that you couldn't give and not event you people, that is just shame and shame icon_twisted.gif
toki
This has NOTHING TO DO WITH POL POT. get back on topic and don't get into a racial war. or warnings will be issued.
VOTAMVOTU
some people got no morals or human values, degrading other countries using prostitution really help you boost your ego and self esteem. im glad many peeps like this never amount to nothing because they are mentaly sickkkkkk.
SavarnnaphumKhmer
QUOTE(VOTAMVOTU @ Oct 26 2006, 09:26 PM) [snapback]2427344[/snapback]

some people got no morals or human values, degrading other countries using prostitution really help you boost your ego and self esteem. im glad many peeps like this never amount to nothing because they are mentaly sickkkkkk.



Yeah you think so! how about you go back study the three nations and come back with more human value toward other nations and you couldn't handle the truth brother. People like you are good for government disposal.
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