QUOTE(老子道君 @ Aug 4 2006, 09:46 PM)

Comfort
Hmong seem to be comfortable in their diaspora which means theres no need according to Hmong
for a country. "The idea is outdated" they think. "Its the 21st century, we cant do it" Montenegro?
Lack of Cohesion in the Community.
The truth of the matter is, most Hmong don't wanna share their slice of the pie with other Hmong.
There might be community in places like Minnesota, California, Paris etc but Hmong have been living in the
West for decades and as a result, have took the idea of Western individualism way too far. Chinese
are in the West, still keep their values. Koreans move to the West, still keep some of their values.
Hmong move to the West, its fu-k you and pay me when I see you. If Jews acted the same way
during the 1948 War, just imagine..they wouldnt have a Homeland today. Yes, thats not to say that they
were perfect, because there were was factions everywhere..but the factions that did form were smart enough
to know that no matter what our beliefs are, we are all aiming for one thing: a Jewish homeland.
Hmong don't have cohesiveness.
Lack of allys
During the early days and height of Zionist movement, Jews had much intellectual and politcal support from
the British. Hmong can't get this kind of support due the fact that Hmong are lacking in the intellectual arena and the few intellectuals that do exist don't think that a Hmong country is possible. Furthermore, Hmong seem to have this attitude that the World's boundaries have been laid and foundations have been set so that theres no more room for a Hmong country, but this is completely untrue. Once again, Montenegro is a prime example of this.
Few, if any, intellectual figures
As stated above, Hmong communities lack intellectual figures, and intellectual figures interested in
any sort of Hmong Independence movement or soverignty is nonexistant. Zionism was the main force for creating a Jewish homeland. Jewish (and some non-Jewish) intellectuals sought to create cultural, politcal, and societial foundations for their people. Jews further improved this by actively enacting the ideas of intellectuals in their growing communities.
Gimme my money
Like I stated in the beginning, with most Hmong its fu-k you and pay me when you see me.
This type of mentality ensures that Hmong never get a homeland. When the Jews finally held their little conf. and meetings, they realized that they couldnt take land through immediate force. So what did they do? They formed Jewish organizations and bought plots of farmland and created housing settlements and towns. Eventually, through small scale populating and organizations watching over these communities, Jews were able to convience the British to sign an agreement OKing the need for a Jewish homeland. Arabs werent too happy but the fact is that they knew their $hit.
All the fighting came later and they did have problems with the British, but the fact is that they were able to
secure land through legal means and got international support to do so.
With the fu-k you, pay me mentality, Hmong cant even achieve the first step.
Locations
Being a ethnic minority sandwiched between two Authoritarian regimes must be difficult, especailly for the
poor Hmong freedom fighters (prob less than 15 left) hiding out. Truth is, even if Hmong did get together and
finally decide to have better good will towards each other, neither China nor Laos would probably give it up easily, even if hmong were heavily populated there. Jews had the same issue early on. Many Zionist proposed places like Argentina, Russia, & even Nigeria and North Africa. What iam saying here is that somewhere, there are always options availible. The whole idea of comfort comes into play again. Most Hmong like to stay put and dont like to move when its time to move. Thailand's Isan region would be a ideal place then, especially since Thailand is a democratic country with voting abilities, this makes things like a referendum possible. Theres opportunity, will Hmong take it? Probably not.
Don't you think us hmong people would like to possess our own country? Hell yea we would!!!! But where are we going to put this hmong country of ours, Most of the islands or lands in this world has already been taken up and the island's that hasnt been charted on maps are too petit for us hmong people. Do you want us to become barbarians and conquer a country from another race? We're not barbarians you know. If us hmong people did have a country it would be difficult to generate income to support our country. We would have to borrow money from another nation just to support ours, putting us in a worser position than where we are now. We live with what we can get or what we have. Starting your own country isnt easy you know u make it sound as if it were easy as abc.
What you think it's easy to keep your values when you don't have a country? Dont you think its sad for us to realize that we have to take values from another nation. We know we take values from another nation, we see our hmong people assimilating to anther nation's culture and we see our values degrading; but what can we do. Do you know that our hmong vocabulary isnt as broad as you think. We don't even have words for most objects in this world. Like the weekdays and the weekends, the hmong vocabulary word for sunday is day 1. Of course Chinese and Koreans are going to keep their values when they leave for the west they still have their country to support their values man. Meaning if you have a country your values will hardly ever fade away. Plus we do share with others when they are in need of money we do give what we have to them thats why when we see them again we need the money because we're in desperate need of the money we lent to the other. You act like only hmong people are like this, I'm pretty sure other ethnicity is like this too dont be so sterotype. How can you compare us with the jews anyways man. We use to live in mountains and they use to live in cities. We almost had the same fate but the US eventually stepped into the war and saved them. They won the war. Look at us hmong people the US stepped in and lost the war and left most of the hmong people that wasn't in thailand for dead. What if the US lost the war, dont you think the jews would've had the same fate as we did. Use common sense man.
Your right we have no allies. The closest allies we have is probably the mein ethnicity. They suffered the same fate and consequences that us hmong face. You can say that the hmong and mein are like brothers.
Yes its true we have few intellects but we're doing our best to become intelligent. Its hard to become educated and try to find time to keep up with our values (one of the reason we lose our values). These two thing are very hard to balance when you dont have a country. We have hmong people that are senator, doctors, and so much more. You can consider the senator an intellect for us hmong people. That senator or our intellect person can't push for a hmong independence because she is still trying to push for the freedom and independence of all the hmong people in Lao's, the hmong in laos are currently fighting for their life. Everyday they are slaughter, rape, and are in need of nutrition. She also has to push for the safety of the hmong people in thailand since they'll soon be deported back to laos. She uses her power to let help others beside herself even with all these power she still has to yield to the US. When you yield to another nation how can you become a leader tell me.
When you talk about us having goodwill towards each other we wont go and take another nation's country because we aren't barbarians. We live with wat we have and wat we can get peacefully.
Looks like you hardly know $hit about us man, and dont fu-king compare us with the jews if hitler won the war their probably hardly be any jews left but hitler lost only reason y they are left alive......we have gone thru a lot and are still alive today......
thanks 兔兔胜 for not dissing us like whoever that guy was up here.........