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Butterfly
QUOTE (holamon @ Jun 2 2004, 03:40 PM)
FYI, some Americans eat cow balls. They call it Rocky Mountain Oysters. Below is a link to the recipe for how to cook it. Bon appetit icon_wink.gif

Rocky Mountain Oyster Recipe

eek.gif woah.. Nasty but.. To each his/her own I guess.. maybe they think it works like ginseng or Viagra?.. sure.gif embarassedlaugh.gif
Kewell7
QUOTE (Ek-ek @ Jun 3 2004, 12:08 AM)
QUOTE (Kewell7 @ Jun 3 2004, 05:18 AM)
QUOTE (poknat @ Jun 1 2004, 06:58 PM)
Yes, That is what we call cyber crime.......

By the way it is not endemic to the Philippines that dog eating is also popular in China, Korea ,Thailand and Vietnam!

Sorry, but dog eating is not popular in Thailand.

icon_rolleyes.gif But you must admit it that dog eating also exists in Thailand too!

Yes it exists but its not as popular to the other countries mentioned.
redhotchili
QUOTE (hgnis @ Jun 4 2004, 04:17 AM)
In Dominica I believe they eat a type of frog called the mountain chicken.
Still, anyone that would eat Lassie or InuYasha needs to have their head examined.

oh yeah of course, these people are crazy for sure. i mean, who would eat those expensive dogs??? shrug.gif
maogmang_aki
Hey, i only knew people eating dog meat when there is a beer drinking session! it's just pulutan (what's this in English na nga?), not really a delicacy, or something that is served by a self-respecting restaurant. And no, nobody's idiotic enough to eat a pet dog, and most especially when it is several thousand pesos worth, hehehe. What Pinoys eat are Askals, (that asong-kalye or strays for you peeps not familiar with the term.) and in the Philippines, you seldom see pedigreed dogs stray in the street, so even guys who's had several bottles of beer tucked in their tummy cannot possibly eat Lassie type dogs. hihihi

Other exotic food eaten in the Philippines: a species of frog, a monitor lizard, giant fruit bats, common pigeons, and sometimes, pythons. There!

But check this out, i know a guy who wouldn't eat chicken, because he's got some pet chickens! hihihi
JMAC
^ hehehe pulutan! beerchug.gif
Somebody
QUOTE (tool666 @ May 29 2004, 02:42 AM)
son of a domestic helper in HK a.k.a ejay1 said:

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You don't eat dog because they are man's best friend. Besides dogs are 80 percent sh!t anyway. In the Philippines we don't eat dog, only the chinese immigrants do.

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Who eats more dog chinese or vietnamese.

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We don't eat dog in the Philippines were civilized. Only asian countries have people who eat dog ala Vietnam. Maybe you are refering to the vietnamese who live in the Philippines.


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Im sorry we don't eat dog in the Philippines. But we make a sh!t load of money by selling our stray dogs to Vietnam. They seem to can't get enough of that stuff.

A dog barking=food in vietnam



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The Dog Meat Trade in Baguio City and Cordilleras

    Dog meat eating has been associated with the Cordillerans or the Igorots, even before the American era. In fact, Igorots were described by an American author in the early 1900’s as dog eating people.

    To date, every Igorot or Cordilleran is faced with that stigma, most especially nowadays that dog eating has become commercialized.

    While Ilocanos and residents of the nearby provinces also eat dog meat, majority or almost 95% of the dog meat being eaten in the country is consumed in Baguio City and the rest of the Cordilleras.

    But the dog meat supply in Baguio City and La Trinidad Benguet come from as far down the Southern Tagalog provinces like Laguna and Batangas. Sources also revealed that there are frozen dog meat which come as far as Mindanao.

    The passing of R.A. 8485 or the Animal Welfare Act in 1998 did very little to help.

    As a matter of fact, despite the law, restaurants serving the dish (dog meat) are growing in number, and are being allowed to operate by the local governments of Baguio and Benguet. In Baguio City and La Trinidad alone, there are about 20 restaurants and eateries serving dog meat as a specialty. This is aside from the other restaurants who have dog meat in their menu cooked as azucena or samlok (but not a specialty). A known restaurant in Session Road serves dog  meat (samlok).  Even local officials are known as dog meat eaters, who patronize these restaurants.

    Since the passage of the law, there was no actual effort from the local governments of Baguio and Benguet to stop the trade. In fact, two of the thriving restaurants serving dog meat and maintaining illegal slaughterhouses are just a stone’s throw away from the Benguet Provincial Capitol.

    The apprehensions done by the police on those inhumanely transporting dogs for dog meat purposes are either accidental (in lieu of a traffic violation), or spearheaded by NGOs.

    There were already pocket apprehensions in 1998 of motorists violating the law. However, it was only in the year 2000 when the Political Animal Lobby (PAL), a United Kingdom based non-profit organization, initiated a raid on dog slaughterhouse with the cooperation of  the DILG’s Task Force Jericho. The 2 cases filed out of the raid, however, were dismissed by the Court.

    In the second quarter of  2002, another foreign based organization, the International Wildlife Coalition (IWC)– UK headed by Charles Wartenberg, also tried to initiate a police raid on dog slaughterhouses. However, Wartenberg and his cohorts ended up facing a case of violation of the law themselves, filed by Baguio-based group, Linis Gobyerno. The case is the first to be filed in the Baguio City Prosecutor’s Office and in a Baguio Court. Linis Gobyerno has accused Wartneberg and cohorts of violating the Animal Welfare Act, when they unjustifiably subjected the dogs to euthanasia



Animal welfare cases going nowhere

    Complaints regarding the illegal dog meat trade were never treated seriously in this part of the region. As observed with the turn of events in almost all of the cases that were filed in line with R.A. 8485 or the Animal Welfare Act, after pleading guilty, violators will just pay the fine, or pay the bail bond, then they go back to their dog meat trading business. The records of the Baguio and Benguet Prosecutors’ offices show that as of June 25, 2003, 18 complaints have already been received by their respective offices. 5 of which were filed at Tuba-Sablan MCTC, 8 at La Trinidad MTC, and 5 at the Baguio MTC.

    Out of the 18 cases 2 were dismissed while 7 are still on going trial. The respondents in 9 cases were convicted.

    All those convicted, however plead guilty upon arraignment. None of those  cases reached a full blown hearing. The violators were just made to pay the fine that ranges from P1, 000 to P5,000. Most of them however were meted with a P2,500 fine, a far lesser expense than pleading “not guilty” and having a lawyer to defend them. The latest offender who plead guilty at the La Trinidad MTC was made to pay a measly fine of P1,000. The judge’s explanation for the ridiculous fine is because the respondent is a first offender. So far the highest fine imposed is P5,000, meted to a certain Severina M. Ortega, it being her second conviction for the same offense.

    The heaviest penalty on the other hand was imposed on Enrique P. Panlaque. On his latest conviction, Judge Tomas Tolete of Tuba MCTC imposed upon him a penalty of 6 months imprisonment. Panlaque however applied at once for probation, which was objected by prosecutor Lilian Oliva. Her opposition which was received by the court on April 14, 2003 states that Panlaque is a repeat offender, because he was already convicted twice earlier on by the same court and by a Pasay City Court for the same offense. Aside from his convictions, Panlaque is also facing another case for the same offense (illegal and inhuman transporting of dogs) before a Baguio City MTC.  The Judge’s order on the same date (April 14), however did not make any mention of the points raised by Pros. Olivia.

    If that is sickening there is more.

    Severino Bugayong’s residence cum dog slaughterhouse located at  Km. 3, La Trinidad was raided for the first time on October 2000. Adding insult to injury Bugayong apparently was able to secure a  business permit for his illegal activity, as evidenced by his business plate, numbered 0415.  The case against Bugayong, who was 75 years old at that time, was dismissed by La Trinidad MTC’s Judge Agapito K. Loagan Jr. Worse the confiscated items from his dog slaughterhouse such as blowtorch, knives, etc. were eventually released to him. On 2002, Bugayong was again arrested for the same offense. This time he plead guilty.

    As it is, the law is perceived to be taken lightly even by the Judges, based on the penalties they give even to the repeat offenders.

    Further, in all cases involving illegal transportation of dogs in inhumane manner, the vehicles used were ordered to be released by the judges, some even before the case were decided upon. In one case at La Trinidad MTC the CIDG objected to the release of the vehicle claiming that said vehicle was used several times for the same illegal activity.

    It would also seem that the judges or prosecution do not consider the recovered dogs as part of the evidence. Nowhere in the judgment of all cases, made mention of the recovered dogs, their whereabouts, their conditions, and how they should be disposed off. Further out of   542 recovered dogs since 1998, 381 were turned-over to the Baguio City Veterinary Office, 73 were allegedly brought to the Manila City Pound, leaving 88 unaccounted for.

    It is worthy to note however, that all cases brought about by apprehensions initiated by NGOs, the law enforcers were left alone to prosecute the case. The NGOs (international at that) never extended legal assistance for the proper prosecution of the cases. In all cases that reached the courts, it is only the case filed by Linis Gobyerno which is being assisted by the group’s private lawyer.

    The law enforcers (in this place) themselves take this law lightly. In Tuba, Benguet for example, one known dog slaughterhouse operating since 1999, is just a few meters away from a Police Station, but the police never apprehended those involved.

    In the Baguio City Market, dog meat is openly being traded, but nobody apprehends the sellers, not the City Licensing Office (under of the Office of the Mayor) which gives them business licenses; not the Market Task Force of the Baguio City Police Office. The first arrest conducted on the dog meat retailers, was on June 25, when a concerned citizen, by the name of  Bythe Reed, went to the Market Task Force armed with a print out of the Animal Welfare Act (downloaded from the internet), and told the police to arrest 3 guys, who despite being warned, were blatantly selling dog meat.

    But what can you expect from these law enforcers who are mostly dog eaters?

    This is the reason why animal welfare advocates, think thrice before enlisting the assistance of the Cordillera based law enforcers for the raid and apprehension of the dog meat traders. It is a sad fact, that aside from PAL which taps the CIDG, others prefer the assistance of law enforcers outside of the Cordillera, which makes the entire process very costly.

    But raid, apprehension, and the arrest of the offenders is the easiest part of the whole process of stopping the trade.

    Freddie Farres, Executive of Linis Gobyerno said, that that battle starts after the apprehension and arrest. There are the recovered dogs that should be attended to, and there are cases that should be handled by competent lawyers so that the violators will be meted with the suited maximum penalty.

    While PAL has turned over its recovered dogs to the City Pound, Farres expressed his dismay on how these dogs were handled, as the mortality rate is a whooping  85%. Another group, the Animal Kingdom Foundation (in which Wartenberg of IWC also belongs), has claimed to have brought the dogs they recovered to as far as Manila City Pound. The court responsible for the case was never informed of the status of the dogs. Maybe because the court never asked. In some apprehensions, there were no mention of where the recovered live dogs were turned over.

    And while the law enforcers were left in the cold by the NGOs for the prosecution, the City Veterinary’s Office (handling the Dog Pound) was also left with the burden of handling the recovered dogs.

Dog adoption

    Dog adoption was never heard of in Baguio City and the Cordilleras until the end of last year, when the City Veterinary’s Office started adopting out some of the dogs that were turned over to them by PAL and the law enforcers. Of the 389 dogs in their custody, 10% or 38 dogs were said to be subjected for adoption.

    According to the City Veterinarian, Dr. Brigit Piok, the adopter is required   to pay an amount of P390 for the dog’s complete vaccination (Distemper, Hepatitis Parvo-Leptospirosis [DH2 PL] and Canine Parvo Virus [CPV]). Anti-Rabies is also being given for free. In a private clinic, DH2 PL + CPV costs P350, or P40 less than what the City Vet. Charges.

    But there appears to be a discrepancy in the amount which was said by the City Vet that they are charging and the amount which the adopters claim to have paid. In a research conducted by The Junction (in coordination with Linis Gobyerno), those adopters from the Slaughterhouse compound admitted having paid a meager amount of P60. Others claim to have paid P200-390. All of them however, thought that what was given to their adopted dogs are just Anti-Rabies. Apparently, the other shots were not explained to them.

    And while the adopters were made to sign an adoption agreement, it appears that only 2 of them complied with the terms and conditions of the adoption. One of the conditions is for the adopter to take good care of the animal and to treat it as their own pet and shall subject it for periodic inspection by any authorized representative of the City Veterinary Office. However, based on the research, it appears that the adopters themselves did not treat the adopted dogs as their own pets, because 4 dogs have died, and 2 were sold. There is also one adopter who, according to his neighbors, allegedly slaughtered the dog and ate it although he did not confirm nor deny the allegations. He however cannot give a straight answer when he was asked about the whereabouts of the dog. As to the   “periodic inspection” as stated in the agreement, it can be recalled that in an interview conducted earlier, Dr. Piok openly admitted that they do not conduct post adoption monitoring. The adopters also confirmed this by saying that no one from the City Vet, or from the PAL ever visited the dogs.

    The agreement further states that the ownership of the animal shall remain under the adopter’s name and shall not be removed or transferred without written permission from the City Veterinarian, which is again another agreement only in paper because some of the adopters claim that the dogs they adopted were brought to their respective provinces, but the exact addresses were not given. It is also a question how the ownership can be legally transferred as the dogs are not registered and are not tagged. The agreement also states that, the adopter shall report immediately to the City Veterinary’s Office once the animal gets sick or dies. Based on the research, 4 adopted dogs died, 1 escaped but these were not reported. The other 21 dogs were not seen since some of the adopters are either not in their respective residences at the time of the interview or are no longer residing in the stated addresses. The neighbors of 10 adopters who are not at their respective residences, however said that they have seen no signs of dogs at the residences of the adopters.

    Only one was seen to have a doghouse.

    Out of the 38 dogs only 3 are confirmed to be alive and in good condition. These were adopted by a Korean couple, Sung Soo Lee and Huh Hee Kyung, and an elderly, Flora Armas of Loakan.

    As it is, the dog adoption program of the City Veterinary’s Office needs a lot of improvement mainly procedures and implementation.

    It is believed that the adoption program of the City Veterinary’s Office is an offshoot of the case filed by Linis Gobyerno against the Director of International Wildlife Coalition (IWC) in United Kingdom, a certain Charles Wartenberg, when he together with his cohorts “put down” or killed the recovered dogs thru euthanasia. R.A. 8485 is specific that the killing of dogs is allowed under certain conditions, but it should be done through the use of most scientific methods available as may be determined by the Committee on Animal Welfare. To date, the committee has not set the standard said “most scientific” method of killing the dogs.

    It is also observed that based on the summary provided by the City Veterinary’s Office the recovered dogs in the year 2000 and 2001 were not reflected. Court records show that in the year 2000, at least 5 dogs were turned over by PAL to the dog pound. As to how those dogs were disposed off, is still not clear, as they were not accounted for.

http://www.linisgobyerno.org/dog_meat_trad...uio_city_an.htm



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Dog-eating and my culture
by Bing A Dawang

JUST before World Animal Day, which coincides with the feast of St. Francis d'Assisi, the patron saint of animals, a local (USA) newspaper defended the dog meat trade in the Philippines, in particular in Baguio City and the Cordilleras, by claiming that dog eating is a part of the Igorot indigenous culture.

As a full-blooded Igorot, I take offence.

The newspaper quoted Isikias Isican, said to be curator of the St. Louis University museum, as saying that there is a clear cultural basis for butchering dogs because they were "butchered by Igorot tribes before going to war, or to cure certain afflictions."

Isican generalized that dog-eating is a part of Igorot tradition by recalling that in 1904 a few Igorot men and women were displayed at the Louisiana Purchase Exhibition ("world's fair") in St Louis, Missouri. Described as heathen Pagans, they butchered a dog as part of the show.

In the same article Hanzen Binay, formerly defence counsel for several dog meat traders and now a Benguet prosecutor, questioned the wisdom of the Philippine Animal Welfare Act. Stating that the law was supported by British animal advocates, Binay asked rhetorically why Britain does not respect the Igorot culture.

As an Igorot, I vehemently do not accept dog eating as my culture. I was not raised to eat dogs. Dog meat is not a part of my diet, nor has it ever been. I find it insulting that Igorots are branded as dog-eaters, not only in the Philippines but abroad. It is a shame, and because Igorots are Filipinos, dog-eating is a Philippine national shame.

It is true that in ancient times some Igorot tribes butchered their dogs before going to war. It was the belief of the then Pagan Igorot that the spirits of the sacrificed dogs would guard them in battle.

In times of tragedy, the family dog might also have been sacrificed to appease the spirits, and to assign the soul of the dog to guard the spirits of the living family members.

Dog sacrifice always connoted bad luck, tragedy, or death. When a family butchered a dog, which had to be the family dog, not just any dog bought from nowhere, the family was not feasting but was either mourning, in extreme pain, or involved in some other activity connected with death.

Dogs were not butchered as drunkards' fare, nor as a daily or regular part of the Igorot diet. Igorot families much preferred to avoid the circumstances which might lead them to sacrifice their dog.

Dog sacrifice for religious purposes is allowed under the Philippine Animal Welfare Act. But the act also requires that dog sacrifices must be recorded and reported. Five years after the law was passed, the Bureau of Animal Industry has yet to receive any such reports from the Igorot elders.

Igorot culture has greatly changed since 1904. Headhunting, for example, was also part of the Igorot culture and way of life 100 years ago. We now recognise and reject that practice as murder (would Isikias Isican expect this 'tradition' also to be 'respected'?). This is adaptation. This is cultural evolution. We discard bad customs and traditions, and adopt good ones from other cultures and as an Igorot, a Filipino, a law-abiding citizen, and a lover of dogs, if I see anyone butchering and selling dogs for meat, I will not hesitate to bring criminal charges.

Incidentally, anyone who believes that the Philippine Animal Welfare Act was passed chiefly through the lobbying of British citizens, or Americans, or members of any nationality other than Filipino is misinformed. Foreigners helped, but most of the work was done by Filippinos, represented by Philippine groups, including the Philippine Animal Welfare Society, reorganized in 1986 by Nita Hontiveros-Lichauco, and the Philippine SPCA, formed on December 13, 1904 (the year of the Louisiana Purchase Exposition), now headed by Edgardo Aldaba.

We have in common, besides our cause, one hero: the dog Dagul, an askal, whose kind are commonly captured and butchered. Dagul, however, was adopted by Wilmar Castillo and family. Dagul rewarded their compassion in May 2003 when he alerted Wilmar Castillo to an avalanche of mud just in time to save the young man's life.

Honoured with the Lewyt Award for Compassionate and Heroic Animals, as described in the September 2003 edition of ANIMAL PEOPLE, Dagul and Wilmar Castillo demonstrated the relationship that we believe should exist among humans and dogs. Kindness toward dogs and other creatures is fundamental to my culture.

Bing A Dawang is editor of The Junction regional newspaper and is a founding officer of Linis Gobyerno Inc, Baguio City, Philippines.
http://www.k9magazinefree.com/k9_perspective/iss16p3.shtml


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I turned my suspicion towards the tricycle drivers, who hang out at the little bakery across the street from our house. It’s easy to suspect them, because they are never very friendly. These guys always struck me as a lower breed, perhaps lower than dogs. I recalled a jarring scene several weeks before when I saw some guys out catching dogs late one night on Sucat Rd., the main road which leads to our subdivision. I was driving by at about two in the morning on my way home. I heard the awful yelp of a dog, and quickly turned my head towards the cry. I saw a mangy brown mutt being scooped up inside a tricycle.
Of course, I couldn’t have stormed over to the bakery and accused the trike drivers of taking Shiggy as they would simply have denied it. But I vowed never to buy any food from the bakery anymore. Some of the neighbors were hanging outside their homes and I asked them if they saw anything. They all shook their heads. But the old lady across the street assured me that our dog was alive.
“No, no, they didn’t kill your dog,” she said. “Pure breeds are not very good to eat. They make you hot inside when you eat them. If you’re going to eat a dog, it has to be a street dog. So don’t worry. I don’t think they ate your dog. They probably sold it for P500.” Gee, how wonderful, I thought. Thanks Grandmom. I could smell cooking food wafting out of her kitchen and I excused myself before she decided to invite me to dinner.
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http://www.hey-joe.net/excerpt03.html]http://www.hey-joe.net/excerpt03.html
Yeh, I know. I should try being a dog in the Philippines and see how I like it. I should try sleeping in somebody’s dirty, mosquito infested car park night in and night out. I should try living with vermin like mice and endless parades of cockroaches and blood sucking ticks. I should try existing in a world where some of the big creatures think my flesh goes quite well with San Miguel Beer. I have thought about all that and, well, it doesn’t sway me. Every time I have tried to feel empathy and sympathy for a Philippine dog the emotion just dissipates. Probably had to go earn a living or something important like that.



ejay1, your hipocrisy and ignorance....

Dude those quotes were from an long time ago. And you didn't bother to put up the derogatory comments that even started the flaming I posted. Funny you call me the son of an domestic helper in HK when you don't even know me and me and my family never lived in HK before. embarassedlaugh.gif How about I call you the son of an prostitute working in an illegal massage parlor.
Ek-ek
QUOTE (redhotchili @ Jun 4 2004, 12:11 AM)
QUOTE (Butterfly @ Jun 3 2004, 02:12 AM)
what about horses? We eat Horse in PuertoRico (not as common as it used to be though).. its called "carnevieja" and I have no problem with it, I used to eat it when I was little. I am sure some of you might find that as repulsive as eating dog meat but to me it’s not a big deal.

tapang kabayo! this is cured horse meat. yes, horsemeat is also eaten here but it's rare, like deermeat. i still haven't tried it yet, though icon_smile.gif

embarassedlaugh.gif Yes, Tapang Kabayo!


Well, Think of San Lazaro and near those horse racing areas!
BatangDamo
[quote=tool666,May 30 2004, 06:49 AM] [quote=BishoujoHunter,May 30 2004, 06:09 AM] [quote=tool666,May 29 2004, 02:42 AM] son of a domestic helper in HK a.k.a ejay1 said:

[quote]You don't eat dog because they are man's best friend. Besides dogs are 80 percent sh!t anyway. In the Philippines we don't eat dog, only the chinese immigrants do.[/quote]
[quote]
Who eats more dog chinese or vietnamese.[/quote]
[quote]We don't eat dog in the Philippines were civilized. Only asian countries have people who eat dog ala Vietnam. Maybe you are refering to the vietnamese who live in the Philippines.[/quote]

[quote]Im sorry we don't eat dog in the Philippines. But we make a sh!t load of money by selling our stray dogs to Vietnam. They seem to can't get enough of that stuff.

A dog barking=food in vietnam[/quote]


[quote]The Dog Meat Trade in Baguio City and Cordilleras

    Dog meat eating has been associated with the Cordillerans or the Igorots, even before the American era. In fact, Igorots were described by an American author in the early 1900’s as dog eating people.

    To date, every Igorot or Cordilleran is faced with that stigma, most especially nowadays that dog eating has become commercialized.

    While Ilocanos and residents of the nearby provinces also eat dog meat, majority or almost 95% of the dog meat being eaten in the country is consumed in Baguio City and the rest of the Cordilleras.

    But the dog meat supply in Baguio City and La Trinidad Benguet come from as far down the Southern Tagalog provinces like Laguna and Batangas. Sources also revealed that there are frozen dog meat which come as far as Mindanao.

    The passing of R.A. 8485 or the Animal Welfare Act in 1998 did very little to help.

    As a matter of fact, despite the law, restaurants serving the dish (dog meat) are growing in number, and are being allowed to operate by the local governments of Baguio and Benguet. In Baguio City and La Trinidad alone, there are about 20 restaurants and eateries serving dog meat as a specialty. This is aside from the other restaurants who have dog meat in their menu cooked as azucena or samlok (but not a specialty). A known restaurant in Session Road serves dog  meat (samlok).  Even local officials are known as dog meat eaters, who patronize these restaurants.

    Since the passage of the law, there was no actual effort from the local governments of Baguio and Benguet to stop the trade. In fact, two of the thriving restaurants serving dog meat and maintaining illegal slaughterhouses are just a stone’s throw away from the Benguet Provincial Capitol.

    The apprehensions done by the police on those inhumanely transporting dogs for dog meat purposes are either accidental (in lieu of a traffic violation), or spearheaded by NGOs.

    There were already pocket apprehensions in 1998 of motorists violating the law. However, it was only in the year 2000 when the Political Animal Lobby (PAL), a United Kingdom based non-profit organization, initiated a raid on dog slaughterhouse with the cooperation of  the DILG’s Task Force Jericho. The 2 cases filed out of the raid, however, were dismissed by the Court.

    In the second quarter of  2002, another foreign based organization, the International Wildlife Coalition (IWC)– UK headed by Charles Wartenberg, also tried to initiate a police raid on dog slaughterhouses. However, Wartenberg and his cohorts ended up facing a case of violation of the law themselves, filed by Baguio-based group, Linis Gobyerno. The case is the first to be filed in the Baguio City Prosecutor’s Office and in a Baguio Court. Linis Gobyerno has accused Wartneberg and cohorts of violating the Animal Welfare Act, when they unjustifiably subjected the dogs to euthanasia



Animal welfare cases going nowhere

    Complaints regarding the illegal dog meat trade were never treated seriously in this part of the region. As observed with the turn of events in almost all of the cases that were filed in line with R.A. 8485 or the Animal Welfare Act, after pleading guilty, violators will just pay the fine, or pay the bail bond, then they go back to their dog meat trading business. The records of the Baguio and Benguet Prosecutors’ offices show that as of June 25, 2003, 18 complaints have already been received by their respective offices. 5 of which were filed at Tuba-Sablan MCTC, 8 at La Trinidad MTC, and 5 at the Baguio MTC.

    Out of the 18 cases 2 were dismissed while 7 are still on going trial. The respondents in 9 cases were convicted.

    All those convicted, however plead guilty upon arraignment. None of those  cases reached a full blown hearing. The violators were just made to pay the fine that ranges from P1, 000 to P5,000. Most of them however were meted with a P2,500 fine, a far lesser expense than pleading “not guilty” and having a lawyer to defend them. The latest offender who plead guilty at the La Trinidad MTC was made to pay a measly fine of P1,000. The judge’s explanation for the ridiculous fine is because the respondent is a first offender. So far the highest fine imposed is P5,000, meted to a certain Severina M. Ortega, it being her second conviction for the same offense.

    The heaviest penalty on the other hand was imposed on Enrique P. Panlaque. On his latest conviction, Judge Tomas Tolete of Tuba MCTC imposed upon him a penalty of 6 months imprisonment. Panlaque however applied at once for probation, which was objected by prosecutor Lilian Oliva. Her opposition which was received by the court on April 14, 2003 states that Panlaque is a repeat offender, because he was already convicted twice earlier on by the same court and by a Pasay City Court for the same offense. Aside from his convictions, Panlaque is also facing another case for the same offense (illegal and inhuman transporting of dogs) before a Baguio City MTC.  The Judge’s order on the same date (April 14), however did not make any mention of the points raised by Pros. Olivia.

    If that is sickening there is more.

    Severino Bugayong’s residence cum dog slaughterhouse located at  Km. 3, La Trinidad was raided for the first time on October 2000. Adding insult to injury Bugayong apparently was able to secure a  business permit for his illegal activity, as evidenced by his business plate, numbered 0415.  The case against Bugayong, who was 75 years old at that time, was dismissed by La Trinidad MTC’s Judge Agapito K. Loagan Jr. Worse the confiscated items from his dog slaughterhouse such as blowtorch, knives, etc. were eventually released to him. On 2002, Bugayong was again arrested for the same offense. This time he plead guilty.

    As it is, the law is perceived to be taken lightly even by the Judges, based on the penalties they give even to the repeat offenders.

    Further, in all cases involving illegal transportation of dogs in inhumane manner, the vehicles used were ordered to be released by the judges, some even before the case were decided upon. In one case at La Trinidad MTC the CIDG objected to the release of the vehicle claiming that said vehicle was used several times for the same illegal activity.

    It would also seem that the judges or prosecution do not consider the recovered dogs as part of the evidence. Nowhere in the judgment of all cases, made mention of the recovered dogs, their whereabouts, their conditions, and how they should be disposed off. Further out of   542 recovered dogs since 1998, 381 were turned-over to the Baguio City Veterinary Office, 73 were allegedly brought to the Manila City Pound, leaving 88 unaccounted for.

    It is worthy to note however, that all cases brought about by apprehensions initiated by NGOs, the law enforcers were left alone to prosecute the case. The NGOs (international at that) never extended legal assistance for the proper prosecution of the cases. In all cases that reached the courts, it is only the case filed by Linis Gobyerno which is being assisted by the group’s private lawyer.

    The law enforcers (in this place) themselves take this law lightly. In Tuba, Benguet for example, one known dog slaughterhouse operating since 1999, is just a few meters away from a Police Station, but the police never apprehended those involved.

    In the Baguio City Market, dog meat is openly being traded, but nobody apprehends the sellers, not the City Licensing Office (under of the Office of the Mayor) which gives them business licenses; not the Market Task Force of the Baguio City Police Office. The first arrest conducted on the dog meat retailers, was on June 25, when a concerned citizen, by the name of  Bythe Reed, went to the Market Task Force armed with a print out of the Animal Welfare Act (downloaded from the internet), and told the police to arrest 3 guys, who despite being warned, were blatantly selling dog meat.

    But what can you expect from these law enforcers who are mostly dog eaters?

    This is the reason why animal welfare advocates, think thrice before enlisting the assistance of the Cordillera based law enforcers for the raid and apprehension of the dog meat traders. It is a sad fact, that aside from PAL which taps the CIDG, others prefer the assistance of law enforcers outside of the Cordillera, which makes the entire process very costly.

    But raid, apprehension, and the arrest of the offenders is the easiest part of the whole process of stopping the trade.

    Freddie Farres, Executive of Linis Gobyerno said, that that battle starts after the apprehension and arrest. There are the recovered dogs that should be attended to, and there are cases that should be handled by competent lawyers so that the violators will be meted with the suited maximum penalty.

    While PAL has turned over its recovered dogs to the City Pound, Farres expressed his dismay on how these dogs were handled, as the mortality rate is a whooping  85%. Another group, the Animal Kingdom Foundation (in which Wartenberg of IWC also belongs), has claimed to have brought the dogs they recovered to as far as Manila City Pound. The court responsible for the case was never informed of the status of the dogs. Maybe because the court never asked. In some apprehensions, there were no mention of where the recovered live dogs were turned over.

    And while the law enforcers were left in the cold by the NGOs for the prosecution, the City Veterinary’s Office (handling the Dog Pound) was also left with the burden of handling the recovered dogs.

Dog adoption

    Dog adoption was never heard of in Baguio City and the Cordilleras until the end of last year, when the City Veterinary’s Office started adopting out some of the dogs that were turned over to them by PAL and the law enforcers. Of the 389 dogs in their custody, 10% or 38 dogs were said to be subjected for adoption.

    According to the City Veterinarian, Dr. Brigit Piok, the adopter is required   to pay an amount of P390 for the dog’s complete vaccination (Distemper, Hepatitis Parvo-Leptospirosis [DH2 PL] and Canine Parvo Virus [CPV]). Anti-Rabies is also being given for free. In a private clinic, DH2 PL + CPV costs P350, or P40 less than what the City Vet. Charges.

    But there appears to be a discrepancy in the amount which was said by the City Vet that they are charging and the amount which the adopters claim to have paid. In a research conducted by The Junction (in coordination with Linis Gobyerno), those adopters from the Slaughterhouse compound admitted having paid a meager amount of P60. Others claim to have paid P200-390. All of them however, thought that what was given to their adopted dogs are just Anti-Rabies. Apparently, the other shots were not explained to them.

    And while the adopters were made to sign an adoption agreement, it appears that only 2 of them complied with the terms and conditions of the adoption. One of the conditions is for the adopter to take good care of the animal and to treat it as their own pet and shall subject it for periodic inspection by any authorized representative of the City Veterinary Office. However, based on the research, it appears that the adopters themselves did not treat the adopted dogs as their own pets, because 4 dogs have died, and 2 were sold. There is also one adopter who, according to his neighbors, allegedly slaughtered the dog and ate it although he did not confirm nor deny the allegations. He however cannot give a straight answer when he was asked about the whereabouts of the dog. As to the   “periodic inspection” as stated in the agreement, it can be recalled that in an interview conducted earlier, Dr. Piok openly admitted that they do not conduct post adoption monitoring. The adopters also confirmed this by saying that no one from the City Vet, or from the PAL ever visited the dogs.

    The agreement further states that the ownership of the animal shall remain under the adopter’s name and shall not be removed or transferred without written permission from the City Veterinarian, which is again another agreement only in paper because some of the adopters claim that the dogs they adopted were brought to their respective provinces, but the exact addresses were not given. It is also a question how the ownership can be legally transferred as the dogs are not registered and are not tagged. The agreement also states that, the adopter shall report immediately to the City Veterinary’s Office once the animal gets sick or dies. Based on the research, 4 adopted dogs died, 1 escaped but these were not reported. The other 21 dogs were not seen since some of the adopters are either not in their respective residences at the time of the interview or are no longer residing in the stated addresses. The neighbors of 10 adopters who are not at their respective residences, however said that they have seen no signs of dogs at the residences of the adopters.

    Only one was seen to have a doghouse.

    Out of the 38 dogs only 3 are confirmed to be alive and in good condition. These were adopted by a Korean couple, Sung Soo Lee and Huh Hee Kyung, and an elderly, Flora Armas of Loakan.

    As it is, the dog adoption program of the City Veterinary’s Office needs a lot of improvement mainly procedures and implementation.

    It is believed that the adoption program of the City Veterinary’s Office is an offshoot of the case filed by Linis Gobyerno against the Director of International Wildlife Coalition (IWC) in United Kingdom, a certain Charles Wartenberg, when he together with his cohorts “put down” or killed the recovered dogs thru euthanasia. R.A. 8485 is specific that the killing of dogs is allowed under certain conditions, but it should be done through the use of most scientific methods available as may be determined by the Committee on Animal Welfare. To date, the committee has not set the standard said “most scientific” method of killing the dogs.

    It is also observed that based on the summary provided by the City Veterinary’s Office the recovered dogs in the year 2000 and 2001 were not reflected. Court records show that in the year 2000, at least 5 dogs were turned over by PAL to the dog pound. As to how those dogs were disposed off, is still not clear, as they were not accounted for.

http://www.linisgobyerno.org/dog_meat_trad...uio_city_an.htm[/quote]


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Dog-eating and my culture
by Bing A Dawang

JUST before World Animal Day, which coincides with the feast of St. Francis d'Assisi, the patron saint of animals, a local (USA) newspaper defended the dog meat trade in the Philippines, in particular in Baguio City and the Cordilleras, by claiming that dog eating is a part of the Igorot indigenous culture.

As a full-blooded Igorot, I take offence.

The newspaper quoted Isikias Isican, said to be curator of the St. Louis University museum, as saying that there is a clear cultural basis for butchering dogs because they were "butchered by Igorot tribes before going to war, or to cure certain afflictions."

Isican generalized that dog-eating is a part of Igorot tradition by recalling that in 1904 a few Igorot men and women were displayed at the Louisiana Purchase Exhibition ("world's fair") in St Louis, Missouri. Described as heathen Pagans, they butchered a dog as part of the show.

In the same article Hanzen Binay, formerly defence counsel for several dog meat traders and now a Benguet prosecutor, questioned the wisdom of the Philippine Animal Welfare Act. Stating that the law was supported by British animal advocates, Binay asked rhetorically why Britain does not respect the Igorot culture.

As an Igorot, I vehemently do not accept dog eating as my culture. I was not raised to eat dogs. Dog meat is not a part of my diet, nor has it ever been. I find it insulting that Igorots are branded as dog-eaters, not only in the Philippines but abroad. It is a shame, and because Igorots are Filipinos, dog-eating is a Philippine national shame.

It is true that in ancient times some Igorot tribes butchered their dogs before going to war. It was the belief of the then Pagan Igorot that the spirits of the sacrificed dogs would guard them in battle.

In times of tragedy, the family dog might also have been sacrificed to appease the spirits, and to assign the soul of the dog to guard the spirits of the living family members.

Dog sacrifice always connoted bad luck, tragedy, or death. When a family butchered a dog, which had to be the family dog, not just any dog bought from nowhere, the family was not feasting but was either mourning, in extreme pain, or involved in some other activity connected with death.

Dogs were not butchered as drunkards' fare, nor as a daily or regular part of the Igorot diet. Igorot families much preferred to avoid the circumstances which might lead them to sacrifice their dog.

Dog sacrifice for religious purposes is allowed under the Philippine Animal Welfare Act. But the act also requires that dog sacrifices must be recorded and reported. Five years after the law was passed, the Bureau of Animal Industry has yet to receive any such reports from the Igorot elders.

Igorot culture has greatly changed since 1904. Headhunting, for example, was also part of the Igorot culture and way of life 100 years ago. We now recognise and reject that practice as murder (would Isikias Isican expect this 'tradition' also to be 'respected'?). This is adaptation. This is cultural evolution. We discard bad customs and traditions, and adopt good ones from other cultures and as an Igorot, a Filipino, a law-abiding citizen, and a lover of dogs, if I see anyone butchering and selling dogs for meat, I will not hesitate to bring criminal charges.

Incidentally, anyone who believes that the Philippine Animal Welfare Act was passed chiefly through the lobbying of British citizens, or Americans, or members of any nationality other than Filipino is misinformed. Foreigners helped, but most of the work was done by Filippinos, represented by Philippine groups, including the Philippine Animal Welfare Society, reorganized in 1986 by Nita Hontiveros-Lichauco, and the Philippine SPCA, formed on December 13, 1904 (the year of the Louisiana Purchase Exposition), now headed by Edgardo Aldaba.

We have in common, besides our cause, one hero: the dog Dagul, an askal, whose kind are commonly captured and butchered. Dagul, however, was adopted by Wilmar Castillo and family. Dagul rewarded their compassion in May 2003 when he alerted Wilmar Castillo to an avalanche of mud just in time to save the young man's life.

Honoured with the Lewyt Award for Compassionate and Heroic Animals, as described in the September 2003 edition of ANIMAL PEOPLE, Dagul and Wilmar Castillo demonstrated the relationship that we believe should exist among humans and dogs. Kindness toward dogs and other creatures is fundamental to my culture.

Bing A Dawang is editor of The Junction regional newspaper and is a founding officer of Linis Gobyerno Inc, Baguio City, Philippines.
http://www.k9magazinefree.com/k9_perspective/iss16p3.shtml
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[quote] I turned my suspicion towards the tricycle drivers, who hang out at the little bakery across the street from our house. It’s easy to suspect them, because they are never very friendly. These guys always struck me as a lower breed, perhaps lower than dogs. I recalled a jarring scene several weeks before when I saw some guys out catching dogs late one night on Sucat Rd., the main road which leads to our subdivision. I was driving by at about two in the morning on my way home. I heard the awful yelp of a dog, and quickly turned my head towards the cry. I saw a mangy brown mutt being scooped up inside a tricycle.
Of course, I couldn’t have stormed over to the bakery and accused the trike drivers of taking Shiggy as they would simply have denied it. But I vowed never to buy any food from the bakery anymore. Some of the neighbors were hanging outside their homes and I asked them if they saw anything. They all shook their heads. But the old lady across the street assured me that our dog was alive.
“No, no, they didn’t kill your dog,” she said. “Pure breeds are not very good to eat. They make you hot inside when you eat them. If you’re going to eat a dog, it has to be a street dog. So don’t worry. I don’t think they ate your dog. They probably sold it for P500.” Gee, how wonderful, I thought. Thanks Grandmom. I could smell cooking food wafting out of her kitchen and I excused myself before she decided to invite me to dinner.
http://www.hey-joe.net/excerpt03.html[/quote]

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http://www.hey-joe.net/excerpt03.html]http://www.hey-joe.net/excerpt03.html
Yeh, I know. I should try being a dog in the Philippines and see how I like it. I should try sleeping in somebody’s dirty, mosquito infested car park night in and night out. I should try living with vermin like mice and endless parades of cockroaches and blood sucking ticks. I should try existing in a world where some of the big creatures think my flesh goes quite well with San Miguel Beer. I have thought about all that and, well, it doesn’t sway me. Every time I have tried to feel empathy and sympathy for a Philippine dog the emotion just dissipates. Probably had to go earn a living or something important like that. [/quote]


ejay1, your hipocrisy and ignorance.... [/quote]
Are you Anti-Pinoy [/quote]
no. I have philipino friends. [/quote]
WTF? another Racist Anti-Philippines.... icon_rolleyes.gif
Ek-ek
I do not know
BatangDamo
hhmmmm....
Ek-ek
have you eaten one tapang kabayo?
BatangDamo
nope
Ek-ek
I, see
I have also not eaten one!
BatangDamo
QUOTE (Ek-ek @ Jun 7 2004, 02:46 AM)
I, see
I have also not eaten one!

back in panggasinan i remember, nung padaan na kami sa Bamban bridge, nagbebenta sila nang mga Balang (grasshopper?) never tried it yet
Ek-ek
How about eating dogs?????

As this topic ? The closes that I have been to these foods was seeing our neighbors killing their askal dog...............

And mind you .......... They just hit the dog in the head with a large steel!
poknat
The closes that I gave been into eating dog meat was in a baptismal party................
BishoujoHunter
i want to try dog meat
dalawapo
beware bishojou i've heard ppl say that you may turn out to look like the food that you eat...... hmm.... do u like baboy?
~shinken~
nope, but i've eaten goat meat... once embarassedlaugh.gif
kim_kayie
QUOTE (BishoujoHunter @ Jul 10 2004, 01:04 AM)
i want to try dog meat

please dont do that!
soooo bad! bawling.gif
dalawapo
i think bishojous likes to implement that tactic of SHOCK AND AWE!!!! icon_rolleyes.gif

DISGUSTTING!
BishoujoHunter
QUOTE (dalawapo @ Jul 10 2004, 06:29 AM)
i think bishojous likes to implement that tactic of SHOCK AND AWE!!!! icon_rolleyes.gif

DISGUSTTING!

i just want to try eating dogs and i really hate dogs especially ascals
kim_kayie
if you hate them, just hate them! not eat them!
you are disgusting!
dalawapo
serioulsy! you do have some unorthodox interests bishjojou....
flipcombatmedic
eating dogs is not a uncommon practice in malayo polynesian people, many people of malay and of pacific islanders have retained our ancestors taste for meat of dogs. igorots ate dogs like constantly, they named a portion of saint louis dogtown because in the world fair in early 1900s many people from teh philippines were exibited there, kinda gross and demeaning but then that's how they thought of was before within western peoples, and igorots who ate dogs were like missing it, so many people raised money to fund the igorots, whom gained many admirers it was the biggest exhibit in the whole fair, appetite for dogs.

but the thing is filipinos are known for this yet, the truth is filipinos actually in general eat way less dog meat compare to china and korea, or so i read in a newspaper in honolulu. i guess the fairs popularity had led to this. hawaiians and other pacific islanders have also practiced this.
kim_kayie
kumakain ka ba ng dog meat?
vn1234
i have dogs

once you have them as friends

you just cant eat them

im also vege

haha
BishoujoHunter
QUOTE
The Philippines banned dog-eating in 1996, except inf religious rituals by designated indigenous tribes, but similar practices reportedly continue clandestinely, and are linked with the sporadic spread of rabies to humans. About 10,000 dogs and 350 humans die of rabies in the Philappines each year.

http://www.animalpeoplenews.org/99/10/bloodlust.html
flipcombatmedic
QUOTE (vn1234 @ Jul 10 2004, 06:57 AM)
i have dogs

once you have them as friends

you just cant eat them

im also vege

haha

true but you see these people i referred to grow dogs like cattle, they were not like grown as pets then eaten. no, i think people have hearts no matter what culture, but then again there might have been exceptions.
kim_kayie
QUOTE (vn1234 @ Jul 10 2004, 06:57 AM)
i have dogs

once you have them as friends

you just cant eat them

im also vege

haha

i knew it!!! youre such a nice on!!!-cheers
vn1234
QUOTE (flipcombatmedic @ Jul 10 2004, 05:12 AM)
true but you see these people i referred to grow dogs like cattle, they were not like grown as pets then eaten. no, i think people have hearts no matter what culture, but then again there might have been exceptions.

yah i know - im vege so i dont enjoy killing animals to make your tastebuds happy (but vege food is much more tastier)

those farms your talking about - blek - ive also seen deer farms with the chinese community - double blek

------------ everytime i see your username - i think of starcraft and the medics

haha

im retarded

@kim kayie - not as nice as you!

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eat me - i look tasty don't I?

just take out your butcher knife and slit my throat

ill enjoy dying

Rocky Cuong V
Hm, i don't know about this but i think china eats more dog that vietnam. Obviously becasue of the overload population from china.
Seriously when was in vietnam 2yrs ago for holiday, i was sitting at the dinner table and everyone was enjoying dog meat. Man i could not stand then i have to go out to reasturant and eat dinner alone. Well alot of ppls say dog meet taste really good, but i prefer not to know and not have a taste at all. It just seem wrong to eat dog, but then again if it is wrong to eat dog then it should be wrong to eat pig, cows and chicken as well. Oh i don't know, i just don't like the felling a little puppy is dead inside someones stomach.
ToNguyenTrungNam
why are we fighting over which asian country eat the most dog agian?.....hope white peoples dont see this...or i have lots of explaining to do....damnit!
Horitaka
QUOTE (ToNguyenTrungNam @ Jul 10 2004, 07:22 PM)
why are we fighting over which asian country eat the most dog agian?.....hope white peoples dont see this...or i have lots of explaining to do....damnit!

for reals! embarassedlaugh.gif
dalawapo
id eat horitaka's dog if he asks me nice icon_smile.gif
Rocky Cuong V
QUOTE (ToNguyenTrungNam @ Jul 10 2004, 07:22 PM)
why are we fighting over which asian country eat the most dog agian?.....hope white peoples dont see this...or i have lots of explaining to do....damnit!

Why? True fact is Viet eats dog and they enjoy it alot. But i can't stand it though...
cyanor
I am not very particular about what I eat... I can eat most anything and everything that is well prepared. But eating dogs... Yuck that's an awfull Idea... To me it sounds almost as bad as eating humans... but that's just what I think...
dalawapo
i would eat horitaka... but not digest him embarassedlaugh.gif
Eclectic Asian
QUOTE (JMAC @ May 30 2004, 11:53 AM)
QUOTE (777 @ May 30 2004, 11:57 AM)
QUOTE (hgnis @ May 30 2004, 09:50 AM)
I do not believe that asian people are the only dog eaters - there are worse things that a person can eat. Though it has been my experience that of asians, mainly Chinese people eat dogs.

You are one ignorant fcuk. Do you even know one Chinese person who eats dogs? That's just a racist stereotype of Whites who see different Asian people eating dogs. Since Chinese is the generic Asian, if an American in the Philippines sees you guys eating dogs, he reports it in the U.S. as "Chinese people eat dogs."
There are people who eat dogs in China, but they account like 1% of the population. You Filipinos prolly eat dogs more...I'm sick of you people deflecting everything on other other Asian while making belief that you guys are some sort of saints descended from Spaniards...
annoying as fcuk

Haha, so who's the ignorant fu-ck now saying we probably eat more dogs? Do you have statistics to prove it? You're the idiot here who's starting to generalize us, so shut the fu-ck up! Do you even know that hgnis is not a Filipino???? DUH! You're so quick to past judgement and bash Filipinos without even thinking, pathetic fool!

You could've easily responded to hgnis' claim without even mentioning one generalization. Gee, I wonder who's the annoying fu-ck now.... sure.gif

i couldn't have said it any better myself JMAC..... beerchug.gif :genius:

damn, i think the enemy of all peoples is GENERALIZATION madgo.gif madgo.gif madgo.gif madgo.gif madgo.gif madgo.gif madgo.gif

for some reason reading those posts pissed me off because there was GENERALIZATION in it..... icon_rolleyes.gif icon_rolleyes.gif icon_rolleyes.gif icon_rolleyes.gif icon_rolleyes.gif icon_rolleyes.gif icon_rolleyes.gif

and no, i'm not going to point it out because you guys are smart/educated enough to know what (and where) the GENERALIZATION is.....

i'm not bashing specifically on any one person but down to those who GENERALIZE!!



GENERALIZATION
dalawapo
I WISH HORITAKA WOULD FAUKIN RECIPROCATE!!! madgo.gif im starting to feel like a mofokin stalker now!!! aye, you will love me bisch, OR ELSE! we're destined to be together... FOREVERRR
ToNguyenTrungNam
QUOTE (Cuong @ Jul 10 2004, 09:50 PM)
QUOTE (ToNguyenTrungNam @ Jul 10 2004, 07:22 PM)
why are we fighting over which asian country eat the most dog agian?.....hope white peoples dont see this...or i have lots of explaining to do....damnit!

Why? True fact is Viet eats dog and they enjoy it alot. But i can't stand it though...

.....that still doesnt answer my question "why are we fighting over which country eat the most dog"
Rocky Cuong V
QUOTE (ToNguyenTrungNam @ Jul 11 2004, 08:01 AM)
QUOTE (Cuong @ Jul 10 2004, 09:50 PM)
QUOTE (ToNguyenTrungNam @ Jul 10 2004, 07:22 PM)
why are we fighting over which asian country eat the most dog agian?.....hope white peoples dont see this...or i have lots of explaining to do....damnit!

Why? True fact is Viet eats dog and they enjoy it alot. But i can't stand it though...

.....that still doesnt answer my question "why are we fighting over which country eat the most dog"

lolz yeah its a pretty stupid topic, but hey if there isn't topic like this, then how boring wound AF be. Always talking about polititian, wars. All those serious $hit!
ToNguyenTrungNam
^^ yeah..maybe you're right....i shouldnt enter this topic in the first place, my fault.
but its hard to ignore.... LOL
Crystallised Dream
G-A-S-P! eek.gif They actually eat dogs in Philippines? Oh...how could they.... cry2.gif
flipcombatmedic
^as well as other countries is asia.
halohalo
not juz in Asia. Native American Indians used to eat dog meat too.

QUOTE
Sources of Fat for the American Indian10

Saturated Monounsaurated Polyunsaturated
Antelope, kidney fat
Bison, kidney fat
Caribou, bone marrow
Deer, Kidney fat
Dog, meat, muscle
Dog, kidney


http://www.westonaprice.org/traditional_di..._americans.html
Ek-ek
Yes , that is true.
parok_mah
my cousins in Pangasinan ages ago tricked me to eat dog meat. they told me it was a goat. it did taste like one and i enjoyed eating it until my aunt told me it was a dog. honestly, it tastes good but thinking of what i was eating and whats in my mouth that time.. i started throwing up.. embarassedlaugh.gif
Forumwalker
yumyum.. real tender juicy hotdog! anyone tried toad barbeque? embarassedlaugh.gif
JMAC
QUOTE (Forumwalker @ Jul 12 2004, 11:57 AM)
yumyum.. real tender juicy hotdog! anyone tried toad barbeque? embarassedlaugh.gif

LOL! embarassedlaugh.gif


What does it taste like?


btw whos the girl in ur sig??
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