We know that on Asia Finest, not many Japanese people participate in the debate and discussion. Therefore in many issues, we do not get a full Japanese view. This is not constructive and healthy for a representative and fair discussion.

Like a topic needed to be made about this.

This is important and I strongly believe this issue should be heard.

LoL, Now I'm concerned for YOUR safety Socal

If I was Japanese I dont think I'd want to post here either.

Anyone that frequents Jchat already knows there arent many Japanese regulars, its not like we need a topic about it.

rockbatam, Ogumo, maybe michinobu, maybe nakatainamoto (troll)

There are alot of AF HAFU Beetches here

It is unfortunate that this kind of situation happens.

How can we solve this predicament?

Ino

You will protect me right?

mebbe some of you should spam in japantoday forum.

If only Nakata would come back

nakata just shut Asian Haven down for "recreational purposes" lol

someone said nakatainamoto wasnt japanese..

We have enough idiots as it is.

Yeah, same here.

most japanese are too busy with their lives to worry about what mostly american asians think about them in AF.

plus japanese westerners are very whitewashed.

Yeah no offense, but Japanese are definately the most whitewashed of all east asians, especially Japanese Americans, who hardly at all hold onto their old traditions and culture.

what japanese westerners? no such thing! it's all white over here! bananas are white biatches!

Shows how much you know.
You live in Texas. Do I even need to say anymore?

Japanese people are reserved and polite in real life.

Perhaps, they are also reserved and polite onlife as well.

I dont recall Nakata being an idiot


Now that is an idiot.

^Do you mean "online?"

Yeah, it's unfair, but they're not interested in this site.

It's actually better if you divide the Japanese in the US into two groups.

The Japanese who have been in the US since internment, and the Japanese who arrived after.

I call the former purely American.

You are one of the posters here at AF that I like seeing around Suijen, especially for acknowledging that. Other people arent so great at analyzing things.

i agree.




What do you mean by "whitewashed"?

He means that they give up their culture in the other country the easiest, meaning they assimilate the easiest.


US history would say otherwise.

not true.
most Japanese are indifferent to foreigners in general including Americans.



I was asking about Japanese in Japan, not Japanese americans.

Ogumo openly admitted being a Westerner NOT a Nikkei or Japanese national @ YW,there are some Japonphile white dudes faked as Japanese.I've encountered a few white-Americans fluent in Japanese written scripts @ one Japan-oriented forum.



Does Yukichi Fukuzawa ring a bell,he successfully advocated the concept of " LEAVE Asia ENTER Europe " in the late 19th century led to Japanese school children are indoctrinated Japan is part of Western World.

I used to think so before I got to know about 2CH, which is the biggest Japanese forum site.

reserved and polite? Big LOL.

Well, of course, they hardly represent the Japanese people's thoughts in general.

But it would be dissapointing if you had a particularly high opinion of the Japanese netizens.

I have a high opinion of Japanese in everyday life. Their netizens are a different story.

A lot of people think that Japanese are extremely careless about their culture and race, but I like to think of Japanese as closet nationalist. This is talk from personal experiences The only reason why Japanese mix and mash heavily with Non Asians is because its a way to spread their culture.

Japanese are generally ethnocentric in my opinion,they've submerged their nationalism under the shadow of American military occupied forces.

It's some naive white-Americans see a need to bring back patriotism or nationalism teaching at Japanese schools.

I understand Fukuzawa brought the idea, feeling the need of modernization from feudal state or mindset.
He saw many feudal asian states suffered from Western powers, and need to learn from them in order for Japan to be indepedent. I don't any of his statement referreing to the abolish of Japanese culture which was out of line of modernization.



we can't expect too much from this forum.

i wish i could hear more opnions from Taiwanese, Hk people N. Korean, and so on.


I don't even think that opinions in other forums are representative.
ya, but it's good there are at least more native people, and people who do understand the countries in other forums.

One Japanese poster in one Japan-oriented forum I regular on daily basis,he cut and pasted an article detailed a debate among Japanese politicians during that time on direction of Japan whether to culturally politically leave Asia or Pro-East Asia with participation of Korea and China to counter Western Imperialism.

It's written in Japanese,I could only understood the Kanji words therefore not fully grasp the entire scope of this historic episode in Japan.

ok, i understand here we are not talking about Fukuzawa Yukichi.


Along with Japanese introduction of western technologies that was necessary for modernization and independence of Japan, there were influence from western culture such as food, clothes, architecture, art etc.

But the fact cannot lead to the ealier staement by rahul:
"Japanese are definately the most whitewashed of all east asians"



the popular notion at the time in Meij was 和魂洋才.
that means to learn advanced western science, technology, culture while preserving Japanese very core spirits, and to keep them harmonious.

http://dic.yahoo.co.jp/dsearch?enc=UTF-8&a...e=0&dtype=0

How about this?

At the time and usually in general, Modernization was/is viewed through the Western lens by the recieving peoples (Japanese). Meaning Modernization was tied in with Westernization and the reception of Western culture. Food, Clothes, Architecture, and Art included.

Rahul's statement of Japanese being the most Whitewashed is weak no dobut but it does hold some merit. During the time Japan's doors got open. French & Dutch were already influencing Japan. Europeans were the only kind of people from the West to bring these sort of advances. This continues during the mid and early 20th century. The policies America had towards minorites at the time of Japanese absorption of Western culture helped shape the Japanese viewpoint of what Modernization and being Modern is.

That fact along with how America did Japanese people gives rahul's statement some merit from an historical developemental point of view.

Well, then it applies to many countries in Asia which achieved modernization from the western achievments, along with influence from western culture.

just by seeing Asian people today, i don't see the rahul' statement:
"Japanese are definately the most whitewashed of all east asians"

Interesting concept.

I haven't read any Chinese written articles or books mentioned these 4 Kanji words.

I've seen one 1980's Japanese TV dorama Meiji era epic with one scene had narration on Japan's ruling elites implemented " 2 FACES of Japan " policy.The internal side of Japan on preserved traditions,and artificial westernized version of Japan present to the outside world.

I have heard Chinese has similar concept as 和魂洋才 tough i forgot and don't know how common it is used

it is inevitable to receive cultural influence when we try to learn western achievments in science, techgnology, political and social policy, and so on.

the reason why Japanese-Americans are whitewashed is because they are mostly 3rd generation. Japanese immigration to the US decreased dramatically after World War 2 as Japan became richer.

If anything, Chinese-Americans are the most whitewash. Compare to koreans and japanese, chinese are least interested in holding onto their culture.

i know some 3rd generation chinese americans who are still very in touch with their culture.

its because while growing up, they were surrounded by american culture and thats all they know so they're interested in exploring their heritage. Yes, Ive met some 3rd generation chinese-americans too and they are a good group. Very open-minded and respectful about China.

Its the 2nd generation who are the worst.

(1) Correct .... the Chinese phrase has 4 Kanji characters as well,I can't remember them at the moment.I will update it in later post.

(2) Sadly though,Chinese never could instrumentally put that concept into use to this very day.

uh... most of us here are 2nd generation..

i wonder why...

ive just met a lot of 2nd generation chinese who have absolutely no respect or feelings toward their native countries. they speak english all the time and almost feel embarassed speaking chinese. they disgust me.

This is no where near the truth,there are now some American-born Chinese either speak English like foreign borns or with thick accent in broken English.

California had drastic demographic changes since 1990's,most local city schools are swamp by Chinese and other Asian immigrant children barely speak English.