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FLG practitioners tried to get the PRC to establish FLG as a religion. Now THAT is what was weird, the religious aspects of it.
QUOTE(Suijen @ Sep 7 2006, 01:52 PM) 
FLG practitioners tried to get the PRC to establish FLG as a religion. Now THAT is what was weird, the religious aspects of it.
What are the religious aspects of Falun Gong?
Does the FLG practitioners consider the founder of FLG a God? If he is, this god is pretty trendy. Living in a loft in NYC with millions of cash...
If practicing FLG can cure every sickness, than I have a suggestion. Infect 100 or even better 100'000 FLG believers (for statistics) with Aids, if they can cure them self I'm sure as hell that FLG can surpass every other religion. It would be enough if only the leader of FLG makes that (I mean he should be a true believer and practicer, right?), if everything is observed by some neutral experts and some anti aids foundations no one could denie the results.
Probably every FLG believer should infect himself with that virus, than they would know if they realy are true believers.
@Mods if you want to ban me for that comment, do as you wish
(sry for my bad writing, still learning english)
Probably every FLG believer should infect himself with that virus, than they would know if they realy are true believers.
@Mods if you want to ban me for that comment, do as you wish
(sry for my bad writing, still learning english)
QUOTE(W&N @ Sep 7 2006, 12:42 PM)
If you want to convince us CCP has spread many lies about FLG, then you should prove the proof that their claim is incorrect, and they are lying. Therefore, you should pay attention to proof that FLG is really good for the health of our human being. Therefore I ask you for scientific data and information from Experts.
If you wanna to tell everybody that FLG practitioner are persecuted by CCP, you should aslo provide link and resource from western mainstream media or official government report. I don't wanna hear what investigation is going on. I need to know the official result.
Please admit it, you come here to convince us to believe something, FLG or FLG parctitioner being persecuted. YOU NEED TO BE RESPONSIBLE TO FLG, therefore, please answer every questions, and provide valuable source (No Epochtime please) to support your statement !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have already show you a report of two canadian investigators. It's about the organharvesting. If you still don't believe it, search on website's of amnesty international or human rights watch: http://www.amnesty.org/results/is/eng or http://hrw.org/english/docs/1999/11/09/china1959.htm
If you want to know more about Falun Gong, then study the books.
Guus
QUOTE(BigBenChow @ Sep 7 2006, 01:48 PM)
You don't know. Yet you follow it blindly? Is this a smart thing to do?
How does it get purer?
Will it get purer than someone who goes to the gym and eats healthy? Will you live longer than the people living in Okinawa where life's expectancy is 81.2 years old?
American fu-kable logic:
Anti-China = Freedom Fighters
Anti-USA = Terrorists
Anti-China = Freedom Fighters
Anti-USA = Terrorists
^what has American logic to do with FLG? O_o
lol this thread is gay anywayz 
How sad! please google Feng Lili. Professor Feng Lili (Baylor Medical School) died from pancreatic cancer.
封莉莉因胰腺癌病故
[人权论坛] “法轮大法”活跃、痴迷信徒封莉莉是美国贝勒医学院副教授，专攻免疫、分子生物医学和预防传染病研究等领域。封莉莉在2003年意外发现自己患了胰腺癌，因深信“法轮大法”的神奇功效，一直拒绝到医院治疗。今年（2006年）一月份，她的病情开始加重，被迫开始大量服用止疼药。6月中旬，封莉莉的病情急剧恶化，她在“同修”们的帮助下前往得克萨斯州的一家医院寻求救治，但是为时已晚，医院宣布癌症进入晚期无法医治。6月22日，封莉莉的“同修”们一直在努力地发正念、念李洪志的名字和大法经文等，希望有奇迹出现。然而，这时的封莉莉已经不能说话了，她一直紧紧地握着同修的手并多次流下眼泪，只是没有人知道她流眼泪的含义。22日晚，封莉莉进入完全昏迷状态。6月23日，封莉莉病逝。封莉莉病逝后，其丈夫夏一阳表示，不会把她的遗体送回大陆而是葬在美国。
When I was pondering the meaning of this finding, my friend Dr. Lili Feng called me one day. Lili is an Associate Professor at Baylor College of Medicine. Both Lili and I practice Falun Dafa, an ancient mind-body practice now broadly known to the public largely due to the recent persecution of Falun Dafa in China (www.falundafa.org). I knew Lili was carrying out a project to examine the effect of practicing Falun Dafa on cells of the immune system. Lili told me that she has completed her studies on comparing the level of 12,000 genes in Falun Dafa practitioners and non-practitioners. To my great surprise, she mentioned some genes in the proteasome system. So I asked her to send me the original data and decided to take a careful look. From that point on, an amazing stream of enlightening information flowed into my research system. The data Lili sent to me was a pile of numbers assembled randomly from the experiments. But from the pile of the numbers, one clear image came out: more than 10 different proteins in the proteasome system are drastically down-regulated in Falun Dafa practitioners' immune cells. This would indicate that the proteasome system is down-sized. It would not make much sense if only this system is down-sized, since the lack of sufficient proteasome system would lead to the accumulation of junk and old proteins. But in the same set of data, more than 10 different proteins that belong to another protein system called "ribosome" are also drastically reduced. Ribosomes are responsible for making new proteins. I suddenly realized that the data is suggesting the coordinated down-sizing of the entire pipe-line of proteins production and protein consumption.
Lili then mentioned to me that she has read papers regarding correlations between proteasome system size and activity with longevity, in mouse experiments. Dr. Allen Taylor from Boston University reported that when the food supply was restricted, mice live longer and their proteasome system is down-sized (ref 1-3). I then found a paper that reported the correlation of increased proteasome system activity with many different diseases. In this paper, it was reported that the highest proteasome system activity was found in cancer cells (ref 4). A third paper from Lili added the final touch to an idea that started to surface (see below). In this paper (ref 5) it is reported that, from careful studies of protein metabolism in a cell, it seems that 1/3 of new proteins are immediately destroyed after they are made. Thus, the cell is working in a very busy and wasteful state.
Lili and I started to send emails back and forth. Lili has a wonderful sense of humor and a vivid imagination. One day she asked me, "Do you know what the proteasome is in the microcosm?" Then she answered for me, "The black hole." Then she sent me a set of reports on how active the black holes are now in the Universe. "You see", she said, "the proteasomes are very busy when cells are sick, and what does it mean when the black holes are very busy?" When I heard that, I thought of the phenomenon of our modern life style: mass production and mass consumption. Isn't it amazing that the different cosmic systems of cell, body, society and the entire Universe, from micro to macro, exhibit such striking similarities and correspondence?
forgot to mention her chinese is 封莉莉
转贴——封莉莉，一篇不得不做的文章
我不怕别人说我用死人做文章，封莉莉的死对很多人有好处，因此这文章应该做，我还要努力把这篇文章做大做好。
封莉莉，女，１９５２年２月２９日出生于中国江西。这是一个特殊的日子，并非因为封莉莉的出生，而是因为这一天恰好是闰年闰月闰日，在这一天出生的人每四年才能过一次生日。２００６年６月２３日（北美时间），一个极普通的日子，只过了12次生日的封莉莉在美国德克萨斯州一家医院的病床上走到了她５４年的人生终点。在她生命的最后时间里，周围陪伴的是她那些拼命发＂正念＂妄图挽留她生命的法轮功同修，其中包括她那练法轮功的丈夫及儿子。
胰腺癌是一种凶险的疾病，晚期发现者的五年存活率只有百分之五。但有时候更凶险的是精神上的疾病－－－２００３年末封莉莉偶然发现自己患上胰腺癌，因为发现的早，她是有机会治愈的，但她拒绝任何治疗，她坚信她练了四年的法轮功可以帮助她彻底摆脱身体里这个危险的敌人。事实证明她错了，和很多可悲的法轮功信徒一样，她用她的死证明她自己错了。可以肯定地说，如果她在发现之初就积极进行治疗，她至少不会死得这么早这么痛苦。曾经当过医生的封莉莉应该知道这一切，但她却选择了相信李洪志的鬼话，也就等于自己判了自己死刑。据说她死去之前两天已经丧失了说话的能力，只是握着同修的手不住地流眼泪。没人知道她为什么流泪，我一厢情愿希望这是悔恨的眼泪，因为这样一来，能让很多被法轮功假她之手所欺骗的人们不必落到用死来证明自己错了的悲惨地步。
我和封莉莉算是有过一点点交往－－－２００４年的夏天，我终于按耐不住愤怒提笔写了一封信给英国的一位研究人员，通知他发表在＜科学＞杂志上的文章被封莉莉拿来篡改之后为自称＂宇宙主佛＂的法轮功教主李洪志的胡言乱语打掩护。收到该研究人员的意料之中的回复之后，我宣布将把事情的经过写成文章发表在草色新雨论坛上。草色新雨的名气就是大，一定有不少大法徒的眼睛盯着。没过２４小时，封莉莉本人便闻风而至，我们在“亲切友好”的气氛中开始了长达两天的网上交流。在铁的事实和确凿的证据面前，封莉莉避而不谈那篇被她歪曲利用的文章，只是拼命强调“法轮大法”的超科学性。当时她留给我的印象是一种绝望，似乎她是想说服自己而不是说服我。这件事情以她要求私下电话讨论而我坚决拒绝的结果告终，那封信现在还存在我的收件箱里。文章最后以＂李洪志，封莉莉及松果体之间不得不说的故事＂为题发表在草色新雨和新语丝网站上。
封莉莉活着的时候，我很确信地骂她是骗子是流氓是无赖。她死了，证明在这一点上我以前错怪她了。我开始想了解她，为什么这个头上顶着＂医学博士＂、＂免疫学教授＂等诸多闪亮的头衔的封莉莉，却一头撞进法轮功这种低劣谎言编织的网里不能自拔，而且和那些大字不识一箩筐的大法徒一样对现代医学有着那么严重的排斥？究竟是什么让她这个受过现代医学熏陶的人被法轮功领上了拒医拒药的不归路。我寻找到很多她和她的家人朋友在网络上遗留的碎片，勉强拼起她一生的轨迹，试图找到答案。
封莉莉出生在一个不算普通的家庭，祖父是当地名人，父亲是医院院长，母亲方面据说也是当地的名门望族。想必封莉莉是在一个优越的环境中度过了她的童年。文革开始以后，她的世界发生了重大改变。她向媒体说，1969年，她13的弟弟因为不愿意承认自己的父亲变成了走资派，被殴打致精神失常，五年后在买米回家的路上遇车祸身亡。这件事情似乎对封莉莉的刺激很大，她屡次对各方媒体提及，并且总是“掩面痛哭”“抽泣”。据她本人的说法，这个心灵创伤对她日后走入法轮功有着决定性的影响。
但是，封莉莉在文革中的命运并不象她的弟弟那么悲惨。70年代初，文革进行地如火如荼的时候，她已经成为“赤脚医生”。不知出于什么原因，她对西方记者炫耀说她二十岁的时候“见过”毛泽东。见过，这是一个很含糊的概念，是接见百万红卫兵时候隔着人山人海看见过呢，还是作为特殊的人被接见过，不得而知。总之，三年之后的1975年，也就是她弟弟车祸死后第二年，她正式成为“儿科医生”。
文革结束后，封莉莉进入江西医学院学习。在那里结识了夏一阳，两人于1982年结婚。
封莉莉英文简历中自称MD，也就是医学博士，法轮功媒体也称她为博士。事实上这是极其不准确的，也可以说是一种欺诈。因为中国的医学本科生硕士生所持有的毕业证书英文版全是MD相称，但与医学博士头衔无关。很多人拿着本科证书也对外自称医学博士。封莉莉也不例外，1988年，江西医学院本科毕业的她不过在第三军医大学进修了两年并留校任助教，就冒着＂医学博士＂这个名在美国加州圣地亚哥Scripps研究所获取了博士后的位置。她暂时告别了丈夫和1987年出生刚刚一岁的儿子夏桑桑到了美国。之后，她的故事落入了一个被媒体用滥了的俗套-----海外留学生勤奋努力为国争光获得洋人尊敬。
这种个人奋斗持续了十年，期间她的丈夫儿子也到了美国与她团聚，拿到了美国绿卡。原本生活应该平静，但是1999年4月25日的法轮功围攻中南海把法轮功推入她的视野。陈师众，前＂全美学自联＂副主席，现任＂法轮功人权工作组＂负责人描述了当年他们这些＂民运精英＂一起投入法轮功怀抱的肉麻过程。（见《引导我重新回到神的怀抱》一文) 一开始封莉莉还对法轮功的教义还抱着种种疑问，但她被法轮功一浪接一浪的极端反政府行为所刺激，逐渐丧失了理性。深受反共宣传影响又对海外民运逐渐失望的她开始认定法轮功是敢于和＂中共强权＂对抗的团体，于是一家三口于5月2日盲目加入法轮功，并从此在这个精神泥潭里越陷越深。
1999年12月圣诞节前，封莉莉和丈夫夏一阳儿子夏桑桑飞到香港参加所谓的＂法会＂。活动结束后，夏一阳和夏桑桑回到美国，而封莉莉却联络另外两名加州华人大法徒一起前往中国大陆。
封莉莉因胰腺癌病故
[人权论坛] “法轮大法”活跃、痴迷信徒封莉莉是美国贝勒医学院副教授，专攻免疫、分子生物医学和预防传染病研究等领域。封莉莉在2003年意外发现自己患了胰腺癌，因深信“法轮大法”的神奇功效，一直拒绝到医院治疗。今年（2006年）一月份，她的病情开始加重，被迫开始大量服用止疼药。6月中旬，封莉莉的病情急剧恶化，她在“同修”们的帮助下前往得克萨斯州的一家医院寻求救治，但是为时已晚，医院宣布癌症进入晚期无法医治。6月22日，封莉莉的“同修”们一直在努力地发正念、念李洪志的名字和大法经文等，希望有奇迹出现。然而，这时的封莉莉已经不能说话了，她一直紧紧地握着同修的手并多次流下眼泪，只是没有人知道她流眼泪的含义。22日晚，封莉莉进入完全昏迷状态。6月23日，封莉莉病逝。封莉莉病逝后，其丈夫夏一阳表示，不会把她的遗体送回大陆而是葬在美国。
When I was pondering the meaning of this finding, my friend Dr. Lili Feng called me one day. Lili is an Associate Professor at Baylor College of Medicine. Both Lili and I practice Falun Dafa, an ancient mind-body practice now broadly known to the public largely due to the recent persecution of Falun Dafa in China (www.falundafa.org). I knew Lili was carrying out a project to examine the effect of practicing Falun Dafa on cells of the immune system. Lili told me that she has completed her studies on comparing the level of 12,000 genes in Falun Dafa practitioners and non-practitioners. To my great surprise, she mentioned some genes in the proteasome system. So I asked her to send me the original data and decided to take a careful look. From that point on, an amazing stream of enlightening information flowed into my research system. The data Lili sent to me was a pile of numbers assembled randomly from the experiments. But from the pile of the numbers, one clear image came out: more than 10 different proteins in the proteasome system are drastically down-regulated in Falun Dafa practitioners' immune cells. This would indicate that the proteasome system is down-sized. It would not make much sense if only this system is down-sized, since the lack of sufficient proteasome system would lead to the accumulation of junk and old proteins. But in the same set of data, more than 10 different proteins that belong to another protein system called "ribosome" are also drastically reduced. Ribosomes are responsible for making new proteins. I suddenly realized that the data is suggesting the coordinated down-sizing of the entire pipe-line of proteins production and protein consumption.
Lili then mentioned to me that she has read papers regarding correlations between proteasome system size and activity with longevity, in mouse experiments. Dr. Allen Taylor from Boston University reported that when the food supply was restricted, mice live longer and their proteasome system is down-sized (ref 1-3). I then found a paper that reported the correlation of increased proteasome system activity with many different diseases. In this paper, it was reported that the highest proteasome system activity was found in cancer cells (ref 4). A third paper from Lili added the final touch to an idea that started to surface (see below). In this paper (ref 5) it is reported that, from careful studies of protein metabolism in a cell, it seems that 1/3 of new proteins are immediately destroyed after they are made. Thus, the cell is working in a very busy and wasteful state.
Lili and I started to send emails back and forth. Lili has a wonderful sense of humor and a vivid imagination. One day she asked me, "Do you know what the proteasome is in the microcosm?" Then she answered for me, "The black hole." Then she sent me a set of reports on how active the black holes are now in the Universe. "You see", she said, "the proteasomes are very busy when cells are sick, and what does it mean when the black holes are very busy?" When I heard that, I thought of the phenomenon of our modern life style: mass production and mass consumption. Isn't it amazing that the different cosmic systems of cell, body, society and the entire Universe, from micro to macro, exhibit such striking similarities and correspondence?
forgot to mention her chinese is 封莉莉
转贴——封莉莉，一篇不得不做的文章
我不怕别人说我用死人做文章，封莉莉的死对很多人有好处，因此这文章应该做，我还要努力把这篇文章做大做好。
封莉莉，女，１９５２年２月２９日出生于中国江西。这是一个特殊的日子，并非因为封莉莉的出生，而是因为这一天恰好是闰年闰月闰日，在这一天出生的人每四年才能过一次生日。２００６年６月２３日（北美时间），一个极普通的日子，只过了12次生日的封莉莉在美国德克萨斯州一家医院的病床上走到了她５４年的人生终点。在她生命的最后时间里，周围陪伴的是她那些拼命发＂正念＂妄图挽留她生命的法轮功同修，其中包括她那练法轮功的丈夫及儿子。
胰腺癌是一种凶险的疾病，晚期发现者的五年存活率只有百分之五。但有时候更凶险的是精神上的疾病－－－２００３年末封莉莉偶然发现自己患上胰腺癌，因为发现的早，她是有机会治愈的，但她拒绝任何治疗，她坚信她练了四年的法轮功可以帮助她彻底摆脱身体里这个危险的敌人。事实证明她错了，和很多可悲的法轮功信徒一样，她用她的死证明她自己错了。可以肯定地说，如果她在发现之初就积极进行治疗，她至少不会死得这么早这么痛苦。曾经当过医生的封莉莉应该知道这一切，但她却选择了相信李洪志的鬼话，也就等于自己判了自己死刑。据说她死去之前两天已经丧失了说话的能力，只是握着同修的手不住地流眼泪。没人知道她为什么流泪，我一厢情愿希望这是悔恨的眼泪，因为这样一来，能让很多被法轮功假她之手所欺骗的人们不必落到用死来证明自己错了的悲惨地步。
我和封莉莉算是有过一点点交往－－－２００４年的夏天，我终于按耐不住愤怒提笔写了一封信给英国的一位研究人员，通知他发表在＜科学＞杂志上的文章被封莉莉拿来篡改之后为自称＂宇宙主佛＂的法轮功教主李洪志的胡言乱语打掩护。收到该研究人员的意料之中的回复之后，我宣布将把事情的经过写成文章发表在草色新雨论坛上。草色新雨的名气就是大，一定有不少大法徒的眼睛盯着。没过２４小时，封莉莉本人便闻风而至，我们在“亲切友好”的气氛中开始了长达两天的网上交流。在铁的事实和确凿的证据面前，封莉莉避而不谈那篇被她歪曲利用的文章，只是拼命强调“法轮大法”的超科学性。当时她留给我的印象是一种绝望，似乎她是想说服自己而不是说服我。这件事情以她要求私下电话讨论而我坚决拒绝的结果告终，那封信现在还存在我的收件箱里。文章最后以＂李洪志，封莉莉及松果体之间不得不说的故事＂为题发表在草色新雨和新语丝网站上。
封莉莉活着的时候，我很确信地骂她是骗子是流氓是无赖。她死了，证明在这一点上我以前错怪她了。我开始想了解她，为什么这个头上顶着＂医学博士＂、＂免疫学教授＂等诸多闪亮的头衔的封莉莉，却一头撞进法轮功这种低劣谎言编织的网里不能自拔，而且和那些大字不识一箩筐的大法徒一样对现代医学有着那么严重的排斥？究竟是什么让她这个受过现代医学熏陶的人被法轮功领上了拒医拒药的不归路。我寻找到很多她和她的家人朋友在网络上遗留的碎片，勉强拼起她一生的轨迹，试图找到答案。
封莉莉出生在一个不算普通的家庭，祖父是当地名人，父亲是医院院长，母亲方面据说也是当地的名门望族。想必封莉莉是在一个优越的环境中度过了她的童年。文革开始以后，她的世界发生了重大改变。她向媒体说，1969年，她13的弟弟因为不愿意承认自己的父亲变成了走资派，被殴打致精神失常，五年后在买米回家的路上遇车祸身亡。这件事情似乎对封莉莉的刺激很大，她屡次对各方媒体提及，并且总是“掩面痛哭”“抽泣”。据她本人的说法，这个心灵创伤对她日后走入法轮功有着决定性的影响。
但是，封莉莉在文革中的命运并不象她的弟弟那么悲惨。70年代初，文革进行地如火如荼的时候，她已经成为“赤脚医生”。不知出于什么原因，她对西方记者炫耀说她二十岁的时候“见过”毛泽东。见过，这是一个很含糊的概念，是接见百万红卫兵时候隔着人山人海看见过呢，还是作为特殊的人被接见过，不得而知。总之，三年之后的1975年，也就是她弟弟车祸死后第二年，她正式成为“儿科医生”。
文革结束后，封莉莉进入江西医学院学习。在那里结识了夏一阳，两人于1982年结婚。
封莉莉英文简历中自称MD，也就是医学博士，法轮功媒体也称她为博士。事实上这是极其不准确的，也可以说是一种欺诈。因为中国的医学本科生硕士生所持有的毕业证书英文版全是MD相称，但与医学博士头衔无关。很多人拿着本科证书也对外自称医学博士。封莉莉也不例外，1988年，江西医学院本科毕业的她不过在第三军医大学进修了两年并留校任助教，就冒着＂医学博士＂这个名在美国加州圣地亚哥Scripps研究所获取了博士后的位置。她暂时告别了丈夫和1987年出生刚刚一岁的儿子夏桑桑到了美国。之后，她的故事落入了一个被媒体用滥了的俗套-----海外留学生勤奋努力为国争光获得洋人尊敬。
这种个人奋斗持续了十年，期间她的丈夫儿子也到了美国与她团聚，拿到了美国绿卡。原本生活应该平静，但是1999年4月25日的法轮功围攻中南海把法轮功推入她的视野。陈师众，前＂全美学自联＂副主席，现任＂法轮功人权工作组＂负责人描述了当年他们这些＂民运精英＂一起投入法轮功怀抱的肉麻过程。（见《引导我重新回到神的怀抱》一文) 一开始封莉莉还对法轮功的教义还抱着种种疑问，但她被法轮功一浪接一浪的极端反政府行为所刺激，逐渐丧失了理性。深受反共宣传影响又对海外民运逐渐失望的她开始认定法轮功是敢于和＂中共强权＂对抗的团体，于是一家三口于5月2日盲目加入法轮功，并从此在这个精神泥潭里越陷越深。
1999年12月圣诞节前，封莉莉和丈夫夏一阳儿子夏桑桑飞到香港参加所谓的＂法会＂。活动结束后，夏一阳和夏桑桑回到美国，而封莉莉却联络另外两名加州华人大法徒一起前往中国大陆。
LET THIS THREAD DIE, GTFO FLG PHAGS
Falun Gong takes things way too far, they think their the Yellow Turban rebellion on that game Dynasty Warriors on PS2 & XBOX.
Its like get a life.
Its ok to believe in whatever makes you feel good, but to base your whole life around a religious cult like the Falun Gong is absolutley not normal & claims of a borderline mental case.
QUOTE(Bulldogg @ Sep 20 2006, 10:27 AM)
Falun Gong takes things way too far, they think their the Yellow Turban rebellion on that game Dynasty Warriors on PS2 & XBOX.
Its like get a life.
Its ok to believe in whatever makes you feel good, but to base your whole life around a religious cult like the Falun Gong is absolutley not normal & claims of a borderline mental case.
No we don't think that we are the yellow turban rebellion, and Falun Gong isn't a cult.
Guus
QUOTE(Guus @ Sep 20 2006, 11:42 AM)
No we don't think that we are the yellow turban rebellion, and Falun Gong isn't a cult.
Guus
Yes, it is!!! More and more people in Europe begin to realise that FLG is a cult and people are getting annoyed with the China-bashing based on lies propagated by FLG and they also start to question the financial as well as the political background/support of this cult. European media, unlike before, are starting to call FLG a sectarian cult.
This is good news!!
WTF PEOPLE, i said let this gay @ss thread die stop posting
QUOTE(BigBenChow @ Sep 7 2006, 02:30 PM)
What are the religious aspects of Falun Gong?
Does the FLG practitioners consider the founder of FLG a God? If he is, this god is pretty trendy. Living in a loft in NYC with millions of cash...
omg, i see a lot of falun gong demonstrations near Penn Station....
mostly pictures of people being beaten and wounded by the chinese governement.
dunno if it was true though
QUOTE(BatangDamo @ Sep 20 2006, 02:24 PM)
omg, i see a lot of falun gong demonstrations near Penn Station....
mostly pictures of people being beaten and wounded by the chinese governement.
dunno if it was true though
Well the PRC doesn't want its citizens to die off thats why it is taking out the radicals that mutilate themselves. The FLG demonstrators are just pissed because they can't gain anything.
QUOTE(BatangDamo @ Sep 20 2006, 02:24 PM)
omg, i see a lot of falun gong demonstrations near Penn Station....
mostly pictures of people being beaten and wounded by the chinese governement.
dunno if it was true though
Yes they are true. You can always go to them and ask for more information. Since 1999 the CCP started to persecute Falun Gong-practitioners. Thousands of innocent people are trown into labourcamps. Maybe you heard of the organharvesting? Two Canadian investigators have searched for evidence about the organharvesting in China. The CCP is harvesting organs from live prisoners (most of them are Falun Gong-practitioners) and sell them against high prices. They have made a report about it: http://investigation.go.saveinter.net/
Guus
QUOTE(Guus @ Sep 21 2006, 02:41 PM)
Yes they are true. You can always go to them and ask for more information. Since 1999 the CCP started to persecute Falun Gong-practitioners. Thousands of innocent people are trown into labourcamps. Maybe you heard of the organharvesting? Two Canadian investigators have searched for evidence about the organharvesting in China. The CCP is harvesting organs from live prisoners (most of them are Falun Gong-practitioners) and sell them against high prices. They have made a report about it: http://investigation.go.saveinter.net/
Guus
Stop spreading lies. Gives us sources from the UN or ai. BTW those fake torture photos can easily be done with theatre make up and photoshop.
QUOTE(hanbaobao @ Sep 21 2006, 05:27 PM)
Stop spreading lies. Gives us sources from the UN or ai. BTW those fake torture photos can easily be done with theatre make up and photoshop.
I have given many sources, like the one above. UN you say? Allright: http://www.flghrwg.net/index.php?option=co...d=8&Itemid= Amnesty International: http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/ENGASA170112002 Maybe als this one: http://www.justicefortheworld.org/ and http://hrw.org/english/docs/1999/11/09/china1959.htm Maybe you cna also look back at other sources I have given earlier?
Guus
Guus your a phaggot go away with ur FLG $hit
QUOTE(Guus @ Sep 22 2006, 01:45 PM)
I have given many sources, like the one above. UN you say? Allright: http://www.flghrwg.net/index.php?option=co...d=8&Itemid= Amnesty International: http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/ENGASA170112002 Maybe als this one: http://www.justicefortheworld.org/ and http://hrw.org/english/docs/1999/11/09/china1959.htm Maybe you cna also look back at other sources I have given earlier?
Guus
LOL
Your amnesty report is from 2001 and back then most people still believed in your lies. Now people realised how stupid they were. Your UN report is a FLG report posted on a FLG website. The critical German press, who never misses an opportunity to bash China, never mentioned about any UN reports about FLG cultists being tortured in China. You are such a pathetic liar! LOL
do your self a favour, dont visit china and promote falun gong...
I hope he does and get shot like the Dumb@ss he is
I have no use for FLG or any superstition but I question whether that is the issue.
It seems to me that one has to decide what values are to be paramount.
For many people, myself included, freedom of conscience, of thought, of religion, of political viewpoint are paramount. (Yes, I admit it, I am a supporter of bourgeois liberalism). Therefore, FLG followers have a right to hold their beliefs, practice their beliefs, and attempt to convince others of the rightness of their beliefs.
It is irrelevant that they are a cult. It is irrelevant that they are wrong. It is irrelevant that their leader(s) may be corrupt.
To imprison people for their beliefs, whatever they may be, or for associating with others who share their beliefs, or who peacefully demonstrate in support of their beliefs is wrong.
NB: I would also like to take this opportunity to comment about the logical fallacy of Tu Quoque.
Tu quoque (Latin for "You, too" or "You, also") is a line of one's defensive argument based on the concept that the adversary party also engages (or has engaged in the past) in the act for which one is accused by that party.
Thus criticism of policy about Tibet engenders a retort that the USA dispossessed Native Americans. The policy concerning FLG might be excused because Mormons were once persecuted in the USA and Catholics were persecuted in England.
In general, it is not a valid argument that the policy of one country can be excused because some other country or people have at some time and in some circumstance no matter how long ago done something that might be construed as having some similarity to the policy criticized.
It seems to me that one has to decide what values are to be paramount.
For many people, myself included, freedom of conscience, of thought, of religion, of political viewpoint are paramount. (Yes, I admit it, I am a supporter of bourgeois liberalism). Therefore, FLG followers have a right to hold their beliefs, practice their beliefs, and attempt to convince others of the rightness of their beliefs.
It is irrelevant that they are a cult. It is irrelevant that they are wrong. It is irrelevant that their leader(s) may be corrupt.
To imprison people for their beliefs, whatever they may be, or for associating with others who share their beliefs, or who peacefully demonstrate in support of their beliefs is wrong.
NB: I would also like to take this opportunity to comment about the logical fallacy of Tu Quoque.
Tu quoque (Latin for "You, too" or "You, also") is a line of one's defensive argument based on the concept that the adversary party also engages (or has engaged in the past) in the act for which one is accused by that party.
Thus criticism of policy about Tibet engenders a retort that the USA dispossessed Native Americans. The policy concerning FLG might be excused because Mormons were once persecuted in the USA and Catholics were persecuted in England.
In general, it is not a valid argument that the policy of one country can be excused because some other country or people have at some time and in some circumstance no matter how long ago done something that might be construed as having some similarity to the policy criticized.
boo let this thread die 
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