For the believers, its freedom of religion, whatever the faith may be, is essential. And CCP is well known for its bans or at least intruding their religious affairs. I support the Falun Dafa practitioners simply for their deserved right.

Your English is so poor for an American. Troll. from brotherhood of trolls.

you can practice your $hitty @ss religion, just dont preach that $hit here

Total BS. Why on earth will Chinese people be jealous of Falun Gong?

lol they are jealous that FLG ppl are simply too hot that they catch on fire once a while

I want to FLAME ON like the guy from Fantastic four too!!

If anything, he Falun Gong crazies harass random Asians on the street. A friend and I were harassed by some nut. He insisted on giving me pamphlets and told me to practice FLG and come to the light or something I was like fook dis and walked away and he got pissed and started yelling at me. So much for what they preach for huh? Ren.

I have been physically attacked by Falun Gong practicioners on the street on three occasions. So if there is any sort of harassment going on, it is from the FLG to the normal people, not the other way around.

Falun gong practicioners should bring back the Crocodile Hunter.

Amen.

I want Steve Irwin back. He was a true Aussie Legend.

IF the CCP want to prove that their government is the most powerful, most effective, most whatever, they should stop spreading lies abt the fulong gong and torturing and killing the innocent ppl who follow this practice.

All they are displaying is an insecure government who gains power by oppressing their people.

Every time my aunty wants to go back to china shes has to change her name all because she practices the Falung Gong, its stupid

I'm with the CCP in this one. Take that $hit out before it grows by feeding on people's insecurities.

so are you saying that you support the government taking out the internal organs of the Falung gong followers and mentally and physically torturing them ?

This has already been debunked by the Australian media, as well as the US State department.

I don't care what they do, just get rid of FLG. Banning it was a good idea. Now after the trend died out, most people now see it as a distant memory.

http://tian-xia.org/blog/2006/04/09/holoca...or-compliments/

Who the hell cares if she's practicing or not as long as she doesn't make trouble for the CCP. There is no mark on her head saying she's a FLG. She and most of the FLG practitioners could have had an easy time practicing but they tried in China to enforce their views on those people that wrote bad things about them and stage a protest in front of a government building. Who was the idiots that brought the wrath down upon themselves? idiot practitioners. They are paying for their mistake now and I'm one that doesn't care for those FLGers.

Your auntie can probably still go back to China safely if she doesn't broadcast herself as a FLGer.

Most FLGers have been disabused by the CCP already, and the ones who haven't been disillusioned have been bombarded with CCP propaganda against FLG, so this really shouldn't be an issue.

Maybe for the people under us that want to know more about the CCP: http://ninecommentaries.com/

Practitioners are gettin tortured in China and their organs are takin out, it's already been proved: http://investigation.go.saveinter.net/

Guus

Guus, probably you have read the #17 post. I posted, do you have any common about the my scientific method theory, and how could you explain how FLG works to other members here.
We need some numbers to believe FLG. Can you provide the ratio of the people die in sickness between FLG member and normal people? If the ratio is far lower than normal people, that might mean something.
Please quote it from some western mainstream media, I don't want to see anything from CCP or Taipei Time or Epoch time. They are full of bias. Especially Epoch Time.
In order to believe FLG, you guys need to convince people that FLG is based on Scientific Method. If it is religious, please don't tell me by practicing FLG will bring people health ( You said that a couple times in your post). If it is not, if it is like TaiChi, you must be able to provide some source to support your "healthy"theory. You know, Taichi is taught in most Univeristies in USA also. Because it is proved that it is good for health by most scientists.
Please don't be disppointed if people don't believe in FLG, if it is truely good for our kind, it will exist forever. However, if FLG is an evil religious, it will vanish thru time. Our next generation will never know such a thing.
God bless you.

BTW, the sources you provided are not from main stream media. If CCP really did such things, why those western mainstream media don't tell people? You know, they are afraid of nothing. Such 89 tiananman square incident, it was reported by all meanstream newspaper at that time. Even USA officials did not mention anything like FLG members got "organ removed" by CCP?
May I ask you a question, if CIA can't get those information. How can those FLG member know it?
Please don't avoid my questions, face it, be brave.

It doesn't matter me if people believe in Falun Gong or not. The only thing I want to tell people is that Falun Gong is good, and not a cult, or that practitioners are bad people. Many Chinese people have only heard the lies of the CCP, so I want to tell them our story.

The website about the report of the two Canadian investigators isn't from Epoch Times. Those people have searched for themselves the truth and have collected evidence of the persecution. Then they publiced it and showed it to the people of the world.

Western media did tell people about the persecution. Since the publication of the report about organharvesting, many newspaper (also in my country) have publiced it. Every government of the world knows about the evil persecution. But they have close ties with China, and the CCP will give those nations money if they look the other side. Also many nations are affraid of China.

Guus

I don't think FLGers are evil. Probably their leader is evil. What they are is misguided. Saying CCP is evil is just an uneducated evaluation of the entire situation. US sent a group to that Suting hospital and did not see this basement where 6000 FLgers were kept. The Flgers are getting just as good in propaganda as the CCP.

FLG's leader is living in NYC, USA for at least 5 years. If FLG is so good and beneficial to people, everyone in the USA will believe in it by now. USA is a free country. You are free to believe anything you want. You don't need to come here and tell how good it is.

You response is typically those kind who lack trust of government. ( I mean the governments of western world) You just simply use "every government of the world have close ties with China" to explain everything. Such as those people believe in UFO and they always use "government knows, they also captured a Alien too, but they tried to cover everything".
It is lack of credit and hardly to be believed.
It is really matter for people to believe in your theory or not, that's your only purpose to post such a thread here.
Like what I said, the story I know is totally difference from yours. My aunt was in FLG, she quited because she felt people there are crazy, coz the leader told her not to see a doctor while she was sick !!!
Did you read the newspaper, two FLG leaders died in sickness, OUTSIDE CHINA. Therefore people can't claim that they are killed by CCP.
Not like you, I won't judge FLG is good or not. It should be tested throught thousands of experiements, and it need to be test throught scientific method.

FLG is a cult. Deal with it fags

Falun Gong is banned cult there fore it is illegal.

I think I'll have to change my name too if I go to Singapore and chew gum.

FLG members' typical answer to everybody is:
"I have never got sick since I practice FLG". I guess there will be no people die in sickness amony those FLG members. right? but does it possible?

Maybe I can explain that with this: http://www.theepochtimes.com/news/6-4-17/40494.html The investigations are ruled by the CCP. They simple 'destroy' evidence and show the investigators that they haven't anything to hide.

But that's why the two canadian investigators want a independent investigation. But the CCP does not answer on that one.

Here more info about lies like the fire-incident and other lies, maybe the photo's will help you understand: http://photo.minghui.org/photo/images/pers...ce/E_lies_1.htm

It's better that it's banned anyways. Crazy @$$ cult.

Dear Guus, would you mind to show me the evidence that the dead of sickness amony FLG members are far less than normal people?
Since I heard FLG member claim that they had never got sick since they practice FLG, therefore I assume the dead of sickness of FLG members should be much less than normal people. or they are simply making it up. please tell me I am wrong, and please kindly explain why.
If FLG is true, it should face the challenge of modern sciense. Same as you, be a brave FLG member, PLEASE FACE THE QUESTION AND PROBLEMS.

I know...is it like their tagline or something?
The person known as Juna in this other Falun Gong thread says the same thing.

"I was eager to make money, and had a strong desire of lust, now I know the real meaning of life, so I donot care too much about personal gain, I have a heart of helping others.

I was very weak when I was a child, now I have kept heathy for 10 years for practicing Falun Dafa.

Falun Dafa's profound teaching and great benefit has made so many practitioners believe this is a righteous practice. "

I would rather it come from a neutral source rather than proFLG web sources. That's almost like asking OJ simpon's lawyer if OJ killed Nicole or not.

That depends on you. What do you count as evidence? I don't want to prove anything, I know for myself that it works. I don't know where you live. But you can find Falun Dafa-practitioners on www.falundafa.org Maybe you can contact a practitioner? And than you can bring him to a hospital and search for illness?

Guus

Will you live forever for practicing it?
How many more years will you get more from life for practicing it?

how much money have the "CEO" of Falung Gong made so far?

I count those valuable source as evidence. Those source should be collected by professionals, through careful observations, and they need to record the data of their observations. The result they come out , maybe a statement, then they need to test the statement or their thoery, and they need to observate their tests. I count those as evidence. or, information provided by mainstream western media, they are all well known neutral media, therefore, I would rather believe them more than others.
I have read that book already. That's why I say, it is neither a religous nor something like Taichi. It just simply combine buddism with the so called "scientific explanation". In the book, they use many terms in science. and nearly all scientific explanation they use are lack of data support. I wouldn't recommend people to believe it.
FLG members should collect those information about the number of their sickness, because they openly say FLG will give people good health in their newspaper. If they say that simply because some member or their leader told them so, it will mislead all other member and other people, eventually turn FLG into a evil religious. and you guys also need to make all your funding history more transparency.


more than the sum of yours , mine , bigbenchows' and battleships'. Well, we shouldn't count battleship, coz he might be CSB or LHZ himself.

Well, I can answer your questions about Falun Gong. But what is the point? I don't want to prove anything (the most people on this forum don't believe in the power of Falun Gong, allright that's okay). The only thing I wanted to do is tell people that Falun Gong isn't a cult or something like that, and that the CCP has spread many lies. And to tell people that Falun Gong-practitioners are persecuted since 1999 in China. That's the only thing I wanted to do. If you believe me or not, that's not my case.

This website collect stories about practitoners that are healed: http://www.clearwisdom.net/emh/136/ You might not see it as evidence, but it is enough for practitioners, because we already believe. We don't bother if other people believe in the healing power of Falun Gong.

The question about money. Falun Gong is free of charges. You can learn Falun Gong for free. You can find everything for free on the internet, and you can ask practitoners for material (books). We don't collect money or ask people for donations, we also don't have a membership. It's up to you if you want to practice it or not, nobody can force you.

Guus

You're free to tell what you like and it's for others to believe what they want. facts are accepted as how things turns out and the evidence one supplies to back up their statement. In your case, you supply none so we will keep believing what we think is true.

ok but have Li something's wealth increase dramtically after he start Falung Gong?

I think the answer to this question is simple. I practice Falun Gong (Falun Dafa) since 2004, and not a single euro (money in europe) is asked. Falun Dafa is free of charges. In the books it is written that not a single practitoner can ask for donations or money when he learns somebody Falun Dafa.

But let's say Master Li Hongzhi is very rich. Is that wrong? Their are many rich people in this world. That isn't wrong right?

Guus

yeah makes him look less saintly and he profited from his "religion" making him like any other human.

It's superstition.

It's bs.

But more than that, it attracts a lot of idiot fanatics who do stupid $hit.

Howcome Guus isn't answering my questions?

Will you live forever for practicing it?
How many more years will you get more from life for practicing it?

The benefits of FLG are:

1. It's an exercise and meditation
2. It's spiritual so there's mental health

The negatives:

1. It's centralized
2. It's religious

I believe through practicin Falun Gong, my health will improve and my body will be purer and purer. So I think with a healthy body, I will also be able to live longer. But how many years I don't know.

Guus

You might live longer, but it's not magical Guus.

It's exercise, good living, and less stress.

However, if you get bit in the @$$ with cancer, you need to see a doctor. I eat pretty well and exercise, that doesn't make me immune from bullets.

Not mine either........

agree with Suijen,

Exercise, mediation, eating right improves mental and physical health (in the medical community, it's call primary prevention) but don't expect mediation to cure you if you have a huge infection, heart attack, or stroke. Let science deal with what it already knows (which is called tertiary prevention).

If you want to convince us CCP has spread many lies about FLG, then you should prove the proof that their claim is incorrect, and they are lying. Therefore, you should pay attention to proof that FLG is really good for the health of our human being. Therefore I ask you for scientific data and information from Experts.
If you wanna to tell everybody that FLG practitioner are persecuted by CCP, you should aslo provide link and resource from western mainstream media or official government report. I don't wanna hear what investigation is going on. I need to know the official result.
Please admit it, you come here to convince us to believe something, FLG or FLG parctitioner being persecuted. YOU NEED TO BE RESPONSIBLE TO FLG, therefore, please answer every questions, and provide valuable source (No Epochtime please) to support your statement !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You don't know. Yet you follow it blindly? Is this a smart thing to do?

How does it get purer?

Will it get purer than someone who goes to the gym and eats healthy? Will you live longer than the people living in Okinawa where life's expectancy is 81.2 years old?