I quote wikipedia:

what if they get ugly features of both races?
Example: from asian parent: small eyes, and flared nostrils and from white parent:thin lips and big beaked nose. Big beak-like nose with wide nostrils can you imagine the horror? :O

no $hit. mixed people just like to say this to make themselves feel better

Only an insecure person would say such a thing.

You're genetically inferior to most people. Get over it.

boring, typical predictable person backlashes to relieve self of anxiety.

Shut up, mndeg. Though I don't believe that mixes end up looking better (it's the same with everyone: if you look good you look good nothing to do with race) it doesn't matter who it's coming from. Monoracial people who scream to high heaven that they're the most attractive because they're "pure" are just as insecure as mixes who say they're genetically superior hybrids. There are insecure $hits and egomaniacs in every racial category, so fu-king shut up about it.

Did I say pure is good or even better than mix?

Insecurity again.

You don't seem to remember, I've been around for most of your anti-mix rants. And usually I hold my tongue (even though one of the main reasons I first joined AF was because I read some of the $hit you said). The only reason you notice mixes who say $hit like this more than you notice monoracials who say $hit like this is because YOU'RE MONORACIAL. Insecure people are insecure. It may manifest itself in how they view their racial background, but at it's core it has nothing to do with race. I think you're insecure and in some subconscious way buy into all the mixed superiority crap or else you wouldn't b!tch about it so much. It's agreed by pretty much anyone with a brain: monoracials aren't superior because of some imagined purity, nor are multiracials superior because of some imagined hybrid theory. So get over it and stop being so goddamn judgmental. You don't see me jumping on every monoracial who says $hit about purity. You pretty much imply this is an accepted opinion of biracials and preach like a little twat. I've had about enough of that $hit.

The thread was about how hybrid vigor does not exist in a way that people say it does. (mixed = better!)

The only rant I have against mixing is when people use something like hybrid vigor as a way to justify their self-hate.

Let's examine what I said.

When mixed people mention hybrid vigor is it in a good light? Yes. Does it make them feel better? Yes.

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When monoracial people talk about racial purity, do they mention it in a good light? Yes. Does it make them feel better? Yes.

Look, I'm not even talking only about this thread. I'm not going to dig up a $hit load of old threads, but you've made your stance pretty clear in the past. Mixes are ugly. Mixes are delusional. Mixes are insecure. Great, that's how you feel, but don't pretend it has nothing to do with your own insecurity.

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depends on the mix, and there is a reason for it. and it's not because they are mixed.

As for mixed mentality, it can be scary. How could you possibly disagree with that? I thought you were the biggest anti mixing-is-the-best-thing-ever person?

Don't try to simplify my thoughts to some kind of blind hate.

And it's obvious why you and tree made illogical attacks (both of you part white).

Because of that comment, even though it being true, is an attack on mixed people if you don't actually think about it logically and rationally.

First off, you're lying about not noticing the racial purity supremacists among Asians by disagreeing with the first part. Just like there are mixed people who hate themselves for not being pure and there are mixed people who love themselves for not being pure, so is it also split up with monoracials. There have been a lot of nasty attacks against mixed race people in the threads of AF, and a lot of comments from you personally which I have chosen to ignore.

I've already said that. Beauty has nothing to do with racial backgrounds. If someone's beautiful, it's not because they're mixed or because they're pure. It's because they're BEAUTIFUL.

I am anti most interracial relationships. I'm also confounded and disgusted by a lot of things that mixed race people say about hybrid superiority. But I'm also confounded and disgusted by a lot of things monoracial people say about purity.

Your thoughts don't need to be simplified. You're more pissy about mixes who are overly vain (most likely because of insecurity) than you are about monoracials who are overly vain (for the same reason) BECAUSE YOU ARE MONORACIAL. You're playing favorites. Somehow I suspect that if you had been mixed your feelings would be the exact opposite. Whereas I see both mix supremacists and monoracial supremacists as what they are at their core: insecure.

Tree and I may have made attacks because we're mixed, but they weren't illogical. You're insecure. That's why you b!tch and b!tch and b!tch whenever mixed race people are brought up. I at least have enough respect for my Asian heritage that I don't talk mad $hit every time some pathetic, insecure full Asian starts screaming about purity. You obviously have no respect for mixed people, you judge us as all the same, and as inherently less than full bloods. I'm done pretending to ignore your inherent insecurity and hypocrisy.

Why do you try to hate so much? High levels of anxiety will make you age faster than usual.

Have not seen that in my own behavior. Therefore argument is nulled.


Not true. When have I talked about monoracial being good at all? In fact how many people even said monoracial is the best outside of chinazis on these forums and stormfront like racist forums? LOL

Insecurity is also not any of my traits. I deal with all (now past) insecurites and anxiety derived from insecurities head on and they're pretty much non-existant now.


Why not? They try to link being mixed with being hot. What if a white guy or X (gender) linked being X race with being hot?
"being (race) makes me extra hot"
Both are wrong. Fetishism, exoticism.

Then you must be one very old little boy.

Look, I'm not going to run around searching for old threads, I guess I should have just spoken up at the time instead of letting it slide out of some sense that defending mixes against full Asians is taking the side of the "more white" one. Sure you're insecurities are low, sonny, that's why pretty much every mixed asian thread on AF have some rather unsavory comments from you. If you'll agree that the same insecurity pseudo-vain mixes have is the feeling that pseudo-vain racial purists have, and is no more prevalent in mixes than it is in monoracials, then I'll drop it. Because in truth, that's the way it is. If you go to a forum like EAN, do you see a lot of insecure "we're better because we're mixed" types? Sure, but you see the same thing here only it's reversed and coming out of the mouths of racial purists. Anyway, I'm done b!tching about this $hit cause I need to have a drink. I think the blood in my veins is starting to catch up with the alcohol.

I updated my post. And monoracial-is-best-looking sentiment is seriously almost non-existent. You're basically conjuring up enemies for you to fight to "win".

And did you think I thought otherwise that whatever you put in is what you get out of it? If two ugly people of different races decide to have a kid, he/she will probably be ugly. Instead some people think that ugly + ugly = not ugly simply because of being mixed. Fetishism. Skewed perspective.

Now all we need is charlee! and runninghorse

No, I'm not, I've dealt with this a lot from Asians. Not as much as I have from whites, but enough. You know the reason why you haven't dealt with this from Asians? Because YOU'RE NOT MIXED. I agree with a lot of what you say, but you have to realize that the way mixed people feel about themselves is not one uniform thought. Nor is this hybrid vigor theory the most popular amongst mixes. It seems more popular amongst monoracials. A "grass is always greener" syndrome.

So if a mixed person were to say it would that statement not be true?

Yes, the statement was direct and probably rude.
It wouldn't of been perceived as rude if the average person learned to look within instead of lashing out without thought.

It would be true. But a mixed person saying it is kind of different. Like an Asian person saying: "Full Asians pretend to feel superior because it makes them feel better." If I made that comment, it would be rude as fu-k, if a full Asian person made that comment, it wouldn't be quite as fu-ked up.

I think you need to to take your own advice and stop lashing out without thought. I personally find "we're prettier/cooler because we're mixed" type people to be annoying as fu-k and delusional. But I don't hold this view that they're the majority. In my adult life, having finally had as many encounters with mixes as I used to have with only monoracial Asians and monoracials of other backgrounds I've learned that this is a minority view that has been blown out of proportion because it's more interesting than levelheaded mixed people statements. It's more fun to look at the radicals and supremacists than it is to look at the average joe. Now, I don't have a lot of mixed friends because, living in America, I find that the mixed people around me I have little in common with. American mixes are usually white-washed and are pretty much bananas (if they look Asian at all, which isn't always the case). But they are not usually these ultra-radical "we're the coolest" types that you seem to think they are. We're all just people, and our opinions of race politics come out based on personal experience, growth, and exposure to different backgrounds. Mixes are more apt to be insecure about race because they tend to deal with a lot more $hit than monoracials. Unless they grow up in Hawaii or Cali where being mixed is commonplace, they deal with a lot of identity crisis bull$hit that the average Asian (one growing up in an Asian community) will not have to deal with. That may explain why a lot of mixed Asians are self-hating and internally racist (whether they know it or not) but that doesn't make their screwy viewpoint any more ridiculous than the screwy viewpoint that purity is better/more beautiful.

I would've come back to this thread sooner but I was busy with something. Thanks for the support, Gretchen.


I've got no anxiety regarding this issue. I've stated in the past that one can have good genes regardless of what race/mix they are. Because of this, I believ hybrid vigor and so forth are a myth.

You just piss me off with your views about mixed people. I'm sick of your agenda. I've held back from dissing you each time you made such a rude comment because I'm not a hateful person. But, tonight I felt like saying exactly what was on my mind. A much needed put down was in order.

Why should I, or anyone else here, let you get away these kinds of slanderous comments?

according to the same wikipedia article, doesn't it say that hybrid vigor is sometimes true and sometimes not? Therefore, it's just an unproven theory.

I know a lot of people believe in it, particularly asian females and some mixed people(I only say this because I spent enough time around a ton of mixed people to learn that many believe and spread it)but according to studies, it's not 100% proven.



insecure people may be insecure of their racial background because of their insecurity, but their racial background can't be the reason that they are insecure?

I find that extremely hard to believe.

EDIT: If it ever is proven, I think there could be chaos. Literally.

EDIT II: Hybrid vigor I mean. Not the latter point.

This thread is fraught with insecurity .

If a person is attractive , they are. End of discussion.

Like I said in another thread, it's ironic how people attribute attractiveness to being mixed-----but when a mixed kid is average or ugly, nobody blames the fact that they're mixed.

You hear people saying Halle Berry is pretty because she's half-white, but you don't hear people saying Rain Pryor is ugly b/c she's half-white.

stop generalizing u fking noobs, also mndeng, ur a fagg0t...u act all jealous and shyt fking get over it seen ur pics... not impressed

I dont see how being mixed means you have a higher chance of being attractive as attractiveness is subjective there is no set standard apart from being healthy and have symmetrical features, but you get that in all races. Certainly mixed people are unique looking because they have features from different races but that doesnt necessaily mean more attractive as I said before its all subjective.

It can be a propellent, but if a person is generally secure in themselves, it's very unlikely that they would become insecure about their racial background.

You rang

Multi-racials rock.

People just try to put us down sometimes

The people that try to put us down sometimes succeed. I've seen multi-racials converted into one racial group and get stuck there because someone told them they had to choose. Ha, not happening to me, not even in a place like Japan.(one main culture)

About the topic well I do feel that if my children take my height, intelligence and natural potential for strength (yes natural); and my wife’s beauty and elegance they would turn out better than the both of us.

Look at it this way genetics are random (unpredictable) look at me I took after my grandparents and great grand parents. It is a positive that the child WILL get some features/traits from the direct parents though.


As for the people that talk down upon us, I could name a few here on Asia Finest (small minority population), you are probaly mixed yourselves and you refer to yourselves by color of by some stupid derogatory name.

I posted as requested

keyword > sub-jective

Word. You know some Arab guy was saying how Shakira got her looks from her dad, because her dad is supposedly good-looking. How the hell do you know her non-Arab mom didn't have a hot sister or mom, and Shakira might have taken after her?

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post pics and don't leave us in the dark man!

AMEN.

aslong as you dont end up with a $hit load of dieseases and look fugly, who cares.

I understand that, but that's just not something that I agree with. Compare the mulatto Rain Pryor with somebody like Vivica Fox. Who's more attractive? I just don't see why it's hard to just accept a good-looking person as a good-looking person. Why do some people feel the need to find a reason why someone is good-looking? I hate it when people say, "I don't know why she's so pretty! I wonder what makes her look that way." Uhh.........It's the same reason why you're ugly.



Regarding that flat-chested Asian mom, how do you know she didn't have a busty sister, mom or grandmother?


EDIT: I do remember reading about a half-Indian on another forum complaining about how people assumed that he got his height from his non-Indian parent (since Indians are stereotyped to be short). His Indian father was short, BUT people failed to realize that the father's dad was over 6 ft tall.

no anxiety? come on, i've read your multiple complaints about yourself on this forum

my initial comment had nothing to do with insulting mixed people. I pointed out a fact. all people deserve insulting for some reason or another.

why is the truth so unbelievable to you people? do you craft your own nice world to live in and believe your own lies?

must be nice.

and no offense but one of the people i'm arguing with is a habitual hard drug user, the ultimate form of escapism.

Well we talked about this before remember?? In YOUR eyes blacks are not as attractive as other races. Which as I've stated before is fine, but once again you're still taking your personal tastes/views and attributing them to dozens of cultures, nations, and ethnicities around the world. As it is I've seen and heard of more non-black males trying to pick up black females than vice versa. Not to say there aren't black females that date interracially I'm sure there are plenty, but you rarely see black women clamoring over white, Asian, or Latino guys despite the fact they generally have more money then black males. You don't necessarily see the reverse much either that is true but one is definetly more prevalent than the other.

I'm not sure what you mean by black men who make it rich don't surround themselves with black women. Most married black males with money in the spotlight, especially celebrities, rappers, basketball players, still wind up marrying black women. The only two people that come to mind offhand who don't are Tiger Woods, who some don't consider black, and Seal. If you're going to go by personal experience the area I live in is predominantly black 250- 270 houses as of June 19th this year and most of the people here are upper middle or lower upper class. We have bankers, lawyers, judges, my dad makes up some of the doctors and others as well. The houses on average at this point in time sell for $500,600 yet there's only been one BM/WF couple in the past 9 years that I've lived there. And our house was the 6th built in the area. The other prominent black neighborhoods in the area (there aren't many) the Greens and Dynasty Lakes have no BM/WF relationships at all (yes I have too much time on my hands I checked). And they're much larger than mine and have been around longer. I'm not saying there aren't blacks who make money and then marry a white woman based on some preconcieved notion of his societal value, but it's alot more common (and there's ALOT more pressure) for blacks with more money to try to keep to their own. The interracial rates if anything show that there are more Asians who prefer to marry white than blacks to begin with.

As for why Asians/whites males don't go out and marry black females or even seem to approach them alot of what I've heard (and till this day I can't figure out why people feel the need to tell ME this), alot say they're just intimidated by black girls even when they like them or pretty much assume they're going to get rejected because they won't measure up to black guys in one way or another. Although there are socioeconomic and cultural issues to take in as well of course. Don't assume just because someone won't marry someone of a different race that it automatically has to do with attractivness.

Also the argument that adding any race to black makes them more attractive is subjunctive, not to mention a bit condescending and racist (I'm not accusing you of racism or attacking you before people start going on about how emo I am I'm just saying). I've had plenty of white friends, especially white female friends, who only date blacks but don't plan on marrying them because they're worried about not being financially stable or what their family will think. Not to mention the fact that no matter what the racial mix-up black genes are more dominant regardless. Which is why people with African ancestory tend to look more "black" than anything else.

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lol why are you getting so defensive?? Especially when the comments I made pretty much sync up with what you just tried to say anyway. That you're basing things on what YOU'VE seen and then try to pass it off as fact because of your shaped views and opinions. Which like I said before is fine, and you might even be right, I just don't agree with it. But I didn't come out and attack you. I just said you're personal experience, views, tastes and opinions don't necessarily speak for everyone. You seem to be saying "This is obvious because it's what I've seen and if you don't agree you're wrong." I never said I don't like anything. You're the one getting pissy and defensive over pretty much nothing even though I stated twice I had absolutely no problem with your views or tastes. Where's the consistant evidence that people DON'T find blacks attractive?? I'm not saying plenty don't. But you haven't really provided any.



I don't get what you're saying here. Money gives people choices and more opportunity. Regardless of your race and appearance (unless you're just butt ugly) you have a wider variety of choices of what type of woman you want to marry. Most black male with a substantial amount of money are with black women and most black female with money are with black men. That's all I was trying to say with that.

I said I had no anxiety regarding this issue. I hate a lot of things about myself but my race isn't one of them.

This so called "fact" is only a fact in your world. I don't recall any mixed person on AF claiming hybrid vigor. The hardcore Eurasians over at eurasiannation.com and hapas.com are split on the issue. We don't all think the same way. Some believe in hybrid vigor, others don't. You might've heard it from some mixed people you know in person but that doesn't make it a fact.

Because of you dissing Eurasians since you've been on AF, there's a stigma attached to every comment you make on Eurasian people. There's an obvious bias so how can we tell if you're making an insult or simply stating a fact or personal observation?

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Black people are attractive. Sabretooth must be on drugs. Check these people out:

dumb insecure morons some people look good mixed some look good unmixed all people have different views

i thought this applied to stuff like corn.

there's really no such thing as pure or mixed races in humanity. Jesus, you people ever take biology?

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actually i took the encyclopedia definition of hybrid vigor

'mixed' is used here as a general slang term for those whose immediate ancestry comes from multiple ethnicities