Turtle
Sep 9 2006, 03:54 PM
I noticed the other topic about how ppl are thinking that the Korean wave thats current is gonna fall of in China soon and possibly the world scene..
so I just wanted to know what you guys think China needs in order to take its place?
if Korean wave falls off, Japan is gonna be in for the kill and truthyfully it has an advantage over China because of the popularity of Japanese...Japanese wave could be even stronger than the Korean if it took off right..
what do u think?
next wave is probably going to be Chinese. than somewhere in SEA.
WTf is this wave thing about?
chinese media is not entertaining enough to satisfy foreigners
and some1 plz define wat the hell the krn wave was
Turtle
Sep 9 2006, 04:03 PM
QUOTE(liu @ Sep 9 2006, 04:01 PM)

WTf is this wave thing about?
chinese media is not entertaining enough to satisfy foreigners
and some1 plz define wat the hell the krn wave was
The Korean wave refers to the popularity of South Korean popular culture in other Asian countries and is otherwise known as "Hallyu"; it has been likened to the British Invasion. The term was coined in China in 2001 by Beijing journalists startled by the growing popularity of South Koreans and South Korean goods in China.[1] The "Hallyu" or Korean wave began with the export of Korean TV dramas such as Winter Sonata across East and Southeast Asia; the growing success of Korean drama was shortly matched in the fields of movies and popular music. The Wave is a source of pride for South Koreans.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Wave
millersdude
Sep 9 2006, 05:14 PM
QUOTE(liu @ Sep 9 2006, 05:01 PM)

WTf is this wave thing about?
chinese media is not entertaining enough to satisfy foreigners
and some1 plz define wat the hell the krn wave was
No, southeast Asians love them. I went to a Vietnamese video store the other days and I saw a lot of Chinese TV series and movies for rent and for sales.
arrowshot
Sep 9 2006, 08:58 PM
The problem is that some Chinese artists really suck. What's popular now is R&B/pop songs; C-pop has no representation in this industry.
ShengJieJiangJun
Sep 9 2006, 09:00 PM
arrowshot
Sep 9 2006, 09:04 PM
QUOTE(ShengJieJiangJun @ Sep 9 2006, 07:00 PM)

and also many can't sing.

to expand, compare BoA singing in Chinese to Elva Hsiao... no comparision
compare se7en or rain singing in Chinese to say Edisen Chen... again, no comparision
=T
ShengJieJiangJun
Sep 9 2006, 09:07 PM
Jarhier
Sep 9 2006, 09:12 PM
i think dramas and musics are overly done to death generally speaking..what else is left anyway..
arrowshot
Sep 9 2006, 09:14 PM
QUOTE(ShengJieJiangJun @ Sep 9 2006, 07:07 PM)

lol it's true.
all the female Chinese artists I've listened to are lalala choir schoolgirls... very weak voices that are just a little stronger than Hilary Duff's
and the males? Some are okay. Many can't sing though. Wang Lee-Hom was good until he tried to become some sort of gangster... and became really embarrasing. I will never forget watching Lee-Hom on youtube trying to hip hop dance in Korea

So... while Chinese music industry is producing choir schoolgirls, Korea is producing holy-crap showstoppers like 14-yr old trainee May Doni...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqZzBGs6gl4
ShengJieJiangJun
Sep 9 2006, 09:15 PM
QUOTE(Jarhier @ Sep 9 2006, 07:12 PM)

i think dramas and musics are overly done to death generally speaking..what else is left anyway..
philosophy and science fiction needs to intertwine with dramas and comedies.
sango27
Sep 9 2006, 09:23 PM
QUOTE
No, southeast Asians love them. I went to a Vietnamese video store the other days and I saw a lot of Chinese TV series and movies for rent and for sales.
Korean drama is so popular in the Philippines... Philippine media named them "Koreanovela"... oh that's what I see... You can watch Korean drama here at least twice a day.... Rain, Lee Dong Wook... they're somekind of popular here...
Chinovela already passed its popularity... they're also popular about 2-3 years ago.... but they're actually the taiwanese ones...
Dongzhimen
Sep 9 2006, 10:01 PM
QUOTE(arrowshot @ Sep 9 2006, 07:14 PM)

lol it's true.
all the female Chinese artists I've listened to are lalala choir schoolgirls... very weak voices that are just a little stronger than Hilary Duff's
and the males? Some are okay. Many can't sing though. Wang Lee-Hom was good until he tried to become some sort of gangster... and became really embarrasing. I will never forget watching Lee-Hom on youtube trying to hip hop dance in Korea

So... while Chinese music industry is producing choir schoolgirls, Korea is producing holy-crap showstoppers like 14-yr old trainee May Doni...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqZzBGs6gl4What school girls?
doggyji
Sep 9 2006, 10:11 PM
It's not necessarily like other Asian waves are shyly waiting for their turns. I don't like the idea of wave anyway. It's so one directional that it eventually begs antipathy.
supernovasp
Sep 9 2006, 10:47 PM
BTW there were no "Japanese wave". However Japanese entertainment had influenced most East Asian entertainment such as Hongkong, Korea, and definitely Taiwan.
Gahwe
Sep 9 2006, 11:00 PM
QUOTE(supernovasp @ Sep 9 2006, 11:47 PM)

BTW there were no "Japanese wave". However Japanese entertainment had influenced most East Asian entertainment such as Hongkong, Korea, and definitely Taiwan.
I think, there was short-lived "Japanese Wave" in mainland China, Taiwan, and Singapore in some years ago. I don't know about in other regions.
splur
Sep 9 2006, 11:19 PM
Chinese entertainment is absolutely godawfully dreadful. I'm partially excluding Taiwanese and Hong Kong entertainment in that statement.
chinese wave is just different. people just have different taste in music that's all. i enjoy chinese music very much. =] i love folk and traditional. dont you all too?
mobi3232
Sep 9 2006, 11:39 PM
I also like folk and traditional music.
arrowshot
Sep 9 2006, 11:55 PM
QUOTE(兔兔胜 @ Sep 9 2006, 09:34 PM)

chinese wave is just different. people just have different taste in music that's all. i enjoy chinese music very much. =] i love folk and traditional. dont you all too?
Traditional Chinese is great. Trad Chinese/Western combo is also cool. I say that Wang Lee-Hom did do a good job infusing pop and traditional chinese music to create some very unique, catchy songs. One of my favorite concertos is the Butterfly Lovers Violin Concerto (story of Liang Shan-Bo his lover... forgot her name) which puts the traditional folk song into a western concerto format and evolves it into diff movements. Very cool.
However, I cannot stand Chinese opera. When my dad listens to it, my ears cringe.
hanzhongrenshi
Sep 10 2006, 12:15 AM
There is no such a wave at all. It is basically exaggerated.Maybe the Korean \\\"wave\\\" exists in middle schooler population,only kids like that stuff. The adult just frown on it and even it becomes kind of laught butt.The traditional Chinese culture alone would take one\\\'s whole life time to digest. The ture \\\"wave\\\" in China is created by USA,say, foreign ideology,custom,ecomonical anf cultural activities.
chinese_ sovereignty
Sep 10 2006, 12:17 AM
Who cares?
American music is "popular" but it's a crock of $hit and i won't listen any of the singers.
Personally i like to listen to Tchaikovsky and Wagner and hell i even like John Williams, That's called real music and real art yet how many of young people today appreciate great music?
Look at the clown assholes today stupidass 50 cent, Lindsay Loahn, Paris Hilton *shivers* etc etc etc I would be totally embarresed to be Chinese if they were the types of popular music that Chinese listen to.
arrowshot
Sep 10 2006, 12:23 AM
QUOTE(chinese_ sovereignty @ Sep 9 2006, 10:17 PM)

Who cares?
American music is "popular" but it's a crock of $hit and i won't listen any of the singers.
Personally i like to listen to Tchaikovsky and Wagner and hell i even like John Williams, That's called real music and real art yet how many of young people today appreciate great music?
Look at the clown assholes today stupidass 50 cent, Lindsay Loahn, Paris Hilton *shivers* etc etc etc I would be totally embarresed to be Chinese if they were the types of popular music that Chinese listen to.
lol actually u'd be surprised to know that classical is quite popular with some youths...
and Lindsay Lohan and Paris Hilton? Honestly, their popularity is overblown, especially Paris Hilton.
jakebear
Sep 11 2006, 12:14 AM
Because of deep history and culture China can indeed produce dramas/movies that can appeal to audience worldwide. For example wuxia stuff. When Crouching tiger hidden dragon became a hit people thought wuxia can finally capture world's audience. But look at craps like The Promise, Seven Swords that are coming out and killing the genre. They are flashy but no substance and just plain boring. Compare them to awesome classics like Swordsman II. You need to go back to good old fashioned fundamentals - good human story, memorable characters and kickass action based on real human movements!
Ling7
Sep 11 2006, 01:34 AM
QUOTE(arrowshot @ Sep 10 2006, 02:55 PM)

Traditional Chinese is great. Trad Chinese/Western combo is also cool. I say that Wang Lee-Hom did do a good job infusing pop and traditional chinese music to create some very unique, catchy songs. One of my favorite concertos is the Butterfly Lovers Violin Concerto (story of Liang Shan-Bo his lover... forgot her name) which puts the traditional folk song into a western concerto format and evolves it into diff movements. Very cool.
However, I cannot stand Chinese opera. When my dad listens to it, my ears cringe.
You mean Yingtai?

I love the music...
Also, the
Main title opening theme of 'The Last Emperor', written by David Byrne.
gogogodzilla
Sep 11 2006, 06:26 AM
QUOTE(Jarhier @ Sep 10 2006, 11:12 AM)

i think dramas and musics are overly done to death generally speaking..what else is left anyway..
God yes please stop the dramas and pop music!!!! It makes Asians look infantile. It has its place, kids need entertainment, but there are so many beautiful forms of modern art and music in Asia that get so little exposure, in part because the consumer-friendly 'waves' keep crashing over us and smashing up the delicate and beautiful under them.
Sorry that's a little over the top, but you get what I mean. Great modern Samulnori coming out of Korea, traded some awesome modernized Buddhist music with a Chinese friend last month, excellent indie bands all over Japan (and, though less so, here in Korea. don't know about the indie scene in China though.)
Mid-Night_Sun
Sep 11 2006, 03:18 PM
lol all this talk about the next "wave" as long as its less girly...actually, imo, we already hit rock bottom. dont need to post any pics, i think we all know. it can only get better! i hope!
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