First of all, please no flaming. Lets have a thoughtful, civilized discussion here.

I just read this old blog post here.
http://www.madhoo.com/archives/2004/08/white_people_bl.php

And must say I have to agree with it. It really seems to be true that Indians complain about how they are treated by white people in America but then are racist themselves against blacks and latinos for instance.

What do you guys have to say about this?

I don't think we are any more racist than the Chinese. A lot of is passed on by the parents to the children.

i dont think we are racists...in india they dont even know wot is race..

Are you joking?

That's what I was thinking. They may not know the meaning of race in an elaborate sense though, but there is some evidence of them feeling different to other Indians. The whole point of this caste system is marry within your "own breed"....or at least that's how they feel. You marry out of another caste and regional ethnicity, you're marrying another "race."

Well, I'm talking specifically about Indian Americans here.

to be honest in india there isnt alot of racism well i think there isnt all together there might be a black sheep in every community but all in all if people were racist they keep it within in them self

in india you'll find light coloured dark coloured chinese looking etc... its an every day type of thing so people are used to it in india. in india they watch alot of westen tv (mtv and $hit) so i guess you know thy idolise blacks and chinese and so on, and every one knows that there obvioursly gona like white people like the rest of asia

rahul

alot of people will complain about people been racist
when they dont see that they are been racist themself

and next thing, people who were racist in the first place will think their racist
is justified, but when the tables are turn and someone else is racist to them
they whine

Your absolutely right, I'll admit right here that I'm the same way myself.

I'm sure everyone is, you just can't openly say it of course.

ahhh well i stero type a wee bit

but im not racist

its not the same

racist have to do with hating not just stero typing to discrimation

i dont hate people

i mean if i see a chinese guy in glasses i immedately think
hes really smart, i think hes a brains man

this is the first time i have heard indian americans disliking blacks and latinos ..

Same here. I had absolutely no idea until I came to AF. I always thought Indians had good relations with us and Latinos. At least I never heard my parents say anything negative about them and me and my sister have always had Indian friends

us? so you're cambodian too?

btw, now that i think about it, if indians do not like blacks, why is it that they rave soo much about those with 'indian hair' ?

Jasel is black actually.

I don't get what you mean by this.



Jasel---It's taboo for Indians to openly express their negative feelings in public. People will only make racist comments behind closed doors, or amongst their own people.

I didn't even know Indians could be racist towards other Indians, until I started posting on Indian forums. I then realized that Indians from different areas won't say these things to your face, but they will say it when you're not there.

what i mean by that is i thought blacks and indians intermarry ALOT and quite commonly . that is why if people see a black girl with wavy non-african hair, people refer it to 'indian hair' and will come to the conclusion that 'she has indian in her' thus giving me a sense that indians and blacks intermarry and is something that's not rare ...

btw, is that caste system still present in india?

Why do you always like to compare Indians with Chinese?

yes it is

obviously

shhhhh, don't let anyone know i told you this, but yes.


Why you always make $hit post about India you c@ck sucking faggot

cause he is chinese.

I don't think most people are racist by nature but uncomfortable with people who are different from them.

What are you talking about? All of my thread topics are positive about India. Is that how you make friends?

there are some indian racists but aren't there racist cihnese, racist americans and racist europeans. racism is prevalent in every country and culture

In Africa and the Carribean, blacks and Indians do intermarry quite often but it's not as common in Western countries.

The caste system has been abolished by the Indian government but it still exists in rural areas.

Edit: Much like other Asian parents, many tradiitonal Desi parents also dislike darker skin, even among other Desis.

carribean indians consider themselves black

That's true. Although I do think there are different types of racism unique to certain cultures (I'm not saying Indians here). The "everyone is a little racist" reasoning I've never really found all that enlightening or constructive to any type of solution to the problem.

I've never seen a Carribean Indian refer to himself/herself as Black but they do generally take more pride in being Carribean rather than Indian.

Yeah man totally praise Indian democracy and how American Journalists editorialize about India.

What's funny though is that Desi parents will prefer a black-skinned Desi over a light-skinned black.

You got to love the hypocrisy.

I don't really think froglee hates India, he's probably just fond of India.


Well there is at least some degree of unity among Desis I guess.

thats y we are all desis. long live india

i think when they say "indian hair" they usually mean native american, or american indian...not indian from india...at least this is what my african american friends have always said. this is probably because some african americans actually do have native american blood in them.

i've seen indians and african americans marry, but it's not as common as u'd think...i dont think indians are any more racist than anyone else...it just seems more hypocritical since we are minorities, and considered "colored."

^ oh i see ..

i bet SOuth african indians arent racists lol ...

You mean Indians living in South Africa? I heard there's tension.

Racism is everywhere, so I'm certain there are some racist South African Indians.

yep. The 'Untouchables' live in very poor conditions. Heartbreaking.

That's in rural regions. There are many successful Dalits (Untouchables) in the urban regions. The previous President of India, K. R. Narayanan, was even a Dalit himself.

untouchables are not a castes.

the gov. tries to help untouchables in India, they could do more. and untouchables have nothing to do w/ hinduism. there is no such thing in hindu scripture. it's a stupid backwards practice that is outlawed, gratefully.

It's sad to see that racism is still prevelent in modern societies, all around the world, like Korea etc... Hopefully the Korean gov. will take steps to denouce the racism mixed raced children there face. against small minded backward nationalistic Koreans in Seoul. Heartbreaking.

Address Racism in Korea

^yes, well, racism is still very prevalent. subconscious, conscious.





I remember a while back, I read an article in National Geographic about the Untouchables (yes, in the rurals). Their tales almost brought tears to my eyes. I have two friends from India who are Brahmins and they used to tell me stories about their experiences regarding the Untouchables. A lot of sorrow.

true. i always thought Narayanan was a great man. i so glad india can leave old prejudices behind and move into the modern world smoothy. India is sooooooo great!


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K._R._Narayanan

There's also affirmative action towards lower-caste Hindus now.

I heard higher-caste Hindus are adopting lower-caste last names to receive affirmative action!

Tne father of the Indian constitution was a Dalit too.

Untouchables aren't part of the caste system?

The National Geographic magazine twists the truth sometimes. It claims that the degradation of untouchables is allowed in Hinduism, but they fail to realize that one of the most respected Hindu sages WAS A LOWER-CASTE HINDU (Valmiki).


There is no scriptural sanction regarding untouchables. It's a cultural thing that twisted the original meaning of the varna system.

They were kicked out of their castes.

that's so true. untouchables are the main reason i support reservations. they need to be uplifted. Dalits are some of the most courageous people in the world. i've always wondered did Kisaeng in Korean society hold the same position as Dalits did in India? I've read stories about those brave women, who were treated barbarically by Korean society. Girls from 12-16 were forced into prostitution, raped, and were made to work slave labor. It makes me cry thinking about it . They were Cheonmin, held the lowest rank and were considered as prostitutes, they were literally slaves. Sad.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kisaeng



No. There are only for true castes(Varnas). Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaishya, Shudra. That is it. Nothing else. All were ment to be respected members of society. But of course it didn't work out that way. People also need to understand that the varna system, wasn't ment to be a system that ranked people from lowest to highest. In Hinduism no one is higher than anyone else. It was ment to be a system that described the duties of each individual to society. Your varna depended on character and not birth. It was also your individual choice. Everyone is valued equally in that system. But of course human ignorance prevailed. Untouchability is a cultural practice, not religious.

The four-varna system

^ah...



wow, interesting correlation of Gisaengs to the Untouchables! One of the most famous Gisaengs though, Hwang Jinhee NON GAE, is highly respected as a patriot who scarificed her life in the process of killing a respected general during the Japanese imperialization, I believe. Again, interesting correlation!

But you're right, Cheonmins were very much equivalent to the Untouchables.

(so sorry for going off-topic, folks!)

haha, i have no idea why I said Hwang Jinhee (another gisaeng), I must have gotten confused there for a sec. Her name is NONGAE.

thanks

interesting story, is there a book, I can read about it? i definately would like to read it.

ah, no. I haven't seen an English book about her, at least not that I'm aware of... a pity.

Also, I forgot to add, I agree that Untouchables may be one of the most courageous. With suffering comes perseverance and endurance, traits found in most greatest characters of the world. They are people to be venerated in their own rights. They deserve it.