Yeah and most Indonesian men don't care at all. I hate when they smoke in public place, like bus or angkot.

Could never date anyone who smokes

You like the pictures, home aloneeeeeeeeeeeeee?

TRUE!!!

i can't stand around people who smoke

How is the fine in Jakarta? still be in effect?

Yeap, all the blue chips companies in Jakarta Stock Exchange are cigarette makers.

When someone being told not to smoke in a "No Smoking" area,
why still expected to be told, not to smoke politely.
I got a fight with someone because I yelled at him to put out his cigarette.

Hey in Malaysia I knew of people who always tried to smuggle Gudung/Gadung, a brand of Indonesian cigarettes which they prefered. A lot of people have said its a "good" cigarette.
Do you guys know the brand I'm talking about? If you've tried it, how is it differnet to other cigarettes, just curious.

It's mixed with spice called CLOVE.
Clove can be used for cooking food.

Ahh is that why people keep describing it as fragrant.
Not a big fan of cloves myself but in curries yummm.

Is it Gudang Garam ??

i hate those ignorance smoker...
they don't ask permission from the people around them!!!
whattapeople!!

Yup thats the one .

However, without cigarette companies' sponsor; Indonesia will not have local football leaques, basketball leaques (a lot of them try to act like Black American but can't play like their "friends" over there), badminton probably will only be played at open space...
What to do?

hm..first of all, I dont mind people smoking. its their own right. But, what I hate the most is sometimes they dont care about others. I feel funny when a father smoke in front of his baby when in restaurant. All I have in my mind is " great, you are making your children one step closer to unhealthy". So, for smokers I think its better if they polite and not smoke everywhere. Especially in Indonesia, once i go to restaurant to. there is " no smoking " sign. But still they smoke....this kind of thing should be changed.

Do you know about Lampe Berger or Bel Air products...
that say can kill germ, cut off tobacco smell .....?

yup..i know lampe berger. very expensive one rite ?

so which countries are ranked top 3?

Russia? Brazil? Vietnam?
China is probably #1, especially the "New" rich,
like to smoke imported cigarettes.

the government was publishing out the regulation PP about not smoking in front of public. it was just effectively so hard for 1 month, then later in the gavernor's office.. some staffs are still smoking.. and i saw by myself.. most people are smoking in the airport of the air asia, lion air, adam air terminal.. and i know maybe more in others terminal.. which is basically the prohibited area.. ;(

woahh we're 4th! dannggg i didn't know we smoke that much...
i expected korea to be in top 5

what needed for this is "kesadaran" from indonesian people...
and its level is still low..
becoz,,govenrment won't close cigaret factories,,they pay tax and everything...so,,cmon indonesian,,realize...smokin is bad for you!!!!!

it's quite a dilemma actually, if sanctions are imposed on the cigarette companies then the smaller companies would have to shut down their bussiness. This would result in unemployments for its workers.
But I am completely for banning cigarettes!

I was just wondering, does anybody know whether those home made cigarettes (the ones that the old generations makes by themselves) has the same effects as factory made ones? It definitely has nicotine, but I would guess that it doesn't have the additional chemicals that exist in factory made cigarettes. The thing is my grandpa smoke those since his late 20's and his last medical check up didn't show any ailments on any of his organs (including lungs)! But he isn't a chain smoker (usually only 2-3 per day)

Those hand rolled cigarettes won't have tar, which is carcinogenic. Nicotine makes neuron addiction to the tobacco. But tar is what causes cancer..

Banning cigarettes is very good, but not good for the country.
Ofcourse because employers will lose their job.

But if indonesia really is the 4th most smoking country as the say and when smoking is banned, the next month will be chaotic. People will get sick or lower their workspeed when not smoking.

I personally think indonesia is not one of the top five smoking countries, because i have seen worse in other countries.