what do u think nowadays filipino identify more with white folks or asian???

To the dazed and confused.

Filipinos are Filipinos. Not caucasian nor the generic Asian.

I'm begging to wonder what thread would next pop-up asking what Filipinos are...

these threads are getting more pathetic each day.

We should have a poll asking if we have any alien DNA or somethin, cuz this whole BS is turning into some comical joke..


I guess the more questions we get like these further enhances the answer yes in the thread "Are we idiots?"


Could i ask the mods to go check the threadstarters IP and see whether this is just some d!ckwipes (Troll)impression of a practical joke?

Im just saying...its like us flips are always trying to claim were anything but flip.

Is it due to the fact that we look down on being filipino. Is it really cooler to be a PI or hispanic then being pinoy???

If filipinos are not asian, then why do you guys have a culture section on asianfinest?lol

walang kwentang topic

ano ba 'to? hmmm...

since when did we end up being caucasoid

caucasian..? wow

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WE ARE FILIPINOS PERIOD

HERE'S A STORY ABOUT SPANISH & PORTUGIS ARRIVES FOR THE FIRST TIME IN PHILLIPINE BUT BEFORE THAT THEY'VE BEEN SETTLED IN NORTH SULAWESI INDONESIA FOR SEVERAL YEARS.

1511
Pedro Alfonso, a Portuguese sailor discovered Ternate.The Portuguese arrived in Indonesia, after their conquest of the Islamic Empire of Malacca. They were followed by the Spanyards. Both began to propagate Christianity and were most successful in Minahasa/North Sulawesi and Maluku, also known as the Moluccas. However, it wasn't until the arrival of the Dutch that Christianity became the predominant religion of North Sulawesi.
D'Abulquergue, the leader of the Portuguese ships opened a sea passage towards the Maluku islands.

1512
The trading Portuguese armada formally sent Antonio de Abreu to Maluku. In that year the Portuguese also sent three sailing ships to Manarow (todays Manado Tua island). From this island the Portuguese asked for help from the Babontehu tribe to introduce them to the Walak head of Wenang, Dotu Ruru-Ares.


The Bay of Manado
The Portuguese already saw many Chinese Junk boats in the bay of Manado. Moreover, from the Chinese sailors the Portuguese obtained the location of Macao (and found it later in 1523).


1518
The purpose of the Portuguese coming to Wenang was to rent a piece of land. But the mission to rent land in Wenang failed because the Walak head Ruru-Ares disagreed to give them a place. After this failure the Portuguese then went to Uwuran (todays Amurang) and there they established Fort Amurang.
When they arrived in Uwuran, the Portuguese, who brought more traders and spiritual leaders than soldiers, did not yet dare to enter the hinterland. They could only .establish stone fortresses at the seaside and the islands around the Minahasa, like in Siauw.

1520
Meanwhile the Sultan of Demak in Java brought the downfall of the powerful kingdom of Majapahit. A strong Muslim empire developed with its center at Melaka (Malacca) on the Malay Peninsula.

1521
The route to the Maluku islands had only just been established by Portugal. Before then the leader of the Spanish ships, Ferdinand Magelhaens, found a sailing route as the Portuguese had done. The difference was that this route was made round the cape of South America crossing the Pacific Ocean and landing at the Sangir Talaud islands in the Sulawesi sea.
The Spanish established a trading office (Loji) in Wenang, located in pasar 45 (todays Pasar Jengky), with permission from the Walak head of Wenang, at that time it was Dotu Lolong Lasut.

Manado
Since a Spanish trading office was already present, the Chinese started to establish their place close to that office. Before then the Chinese as well as the Portuguese dropped their goods on the island Manarow, which at that time was more popular with the Spanish-Portuguese than Wenang.
The Spanish made the island Manarow a transit to take in drinking water. From that island the Spanish ships entered into the North Sulawesi mainland via the Tondano River (todays Manado River).
The Spanish wanderers made contact with the inhabitants through economic barter trade, starting at Uwuran (Amurang) on the banks of the river Rano I Apo. The barter goods were rice, resin, honey and other forest produce against fish and salt.

1523
Even though the women living around the seaside already had many sexual relations with the Portuguese, the female inhabitants of the mountain regions just married the pale skinned people from Spain. One example was a young woman from Kakaskasen Tomohon by the name of Lingkan Wene who married a Spanish Captain named Juan de Avedo. Later their son was given the name Mainalo Wula'an because he had clear round eyes (Indo Spanish). The marriage of Minahasa women with men from Spain was not liked by the Portuguese because the Portuguese assumed that the Spanish were gaining control over the Minahasa area.

1540
Europeans came to the area of North Sulawesi; the area was nominally subject to the Sultan of Ternate, who exacted tribute from the coast tribes and introduced the Muslim religion among some of the maritime inhabitants.
When the Portuguese obtained power and influence in Ternate and made its Sultan their vassal, they also took possession of the Minahasa and established a factory in Wenang.

Map of Minahasa 1679
1541
The name Manado was placed on the world map by the cartographer Nicolas Desliens. At first it indicated the island Manarow (todays Manado Tua), however, when Wenang became the center of trade the name Manado indicated Wenang, making the island Manarow Manado Tua (Old Manado).
Minahasa became important to the Spanish because of the rich soil and was used by the Spanish to plant coffee that came from South America, to be traded in China. For that reason Manado was developed to become the center of commerce for the Chinese traders who traded the coffee in China.

1550
Spain already had established a fortress in Wenang by cheating the Walak head Lolong Lasut. He used the skin of a water buffalo from Benggalen India that the Portuguese brought to the Minahasa. The Spanish convinced Lolong Lasut they needed land the size of the skin of that water buffalo. What they meant was a piece of land the size of a piece of rope made from that skin. The Spanish then used people from Mongodouw to sit in the Portuguese fortress in Amurang in the 1550s so that eventually the Spanish covered all of the Minahasa.

1570
The Portuguese and the Spanish conspired to kill the king of Ternate and created a big commotion in Ternate. Because of that many Islamic traders from Ternate and Tidore escaped to Ratahan. Attacks by sea pirates in Ratahan increased through Bentengan; the pirates used slaves to row their vessels. The slaves of the pirates escaped to Ratahan and the armada of pirate vessels were destroyed by the soldiers of Ratahan - Pasan.

Replica of
The Duyfken
1595
The first Dutch expedition to Asia with the aim to reach the spice islands.The 'Compagnie van Verre' sent three well equipped and armed ships under leadership of Cornelis de Houtman (1565-1599) and Gerrit van Beuningen. Captain Pieter Dirksz de Keyser had the route descriptions from Jan Huygen van Linschoten (1563-1611) who had ever made the journey with a Portuguese ship. The 'Mauritius', the 'Hollandia' and the 'Amsterdam', accompanied by the small yacht 'Duyfken', left on 2nd April 1595 from Texel and arrived in Bantam, the most important pepper harbour on West Java, in June 1596. The trip was difficult with many conflicts and losses of life. In August 1597 the three ships returned with 87 survivors of the original 249 crew members. Even though it was no financial success the trip had proven the trip to Asia possible.

1598
Traders berthing in harbour
of Bantam
The 'Oude Compagnie' (a fusion of a newly established company with the Compagnie van Verre) from Amsterdam equipped a fleet of eight ships under the command of Jacob van Neck (1564-1638). This so called 'Tweede Schipvaart' (Second Ship Voyage) was very succesful and came back from Bantam one year later with four richly laden ships. The other ships sailed onwards to the Molucca islands. Wijbrand van Warwijck (1569-1615) berthed Celebes, Ambon and Ternate, Jacob van Heemskerck (1567-1607) berthed Banda.Also in the harbours Middelburg, Veere and Rotterdam companies were established that sent a total of 14 ships to Asia, under the command of amongst others Gerard le Roy, Cornelis de Houtman and Olivier van Noort (1559-1627).

1599
The Dutch in Council
in Ambon
The Oude Compagnie equipped a total of 7 ships under the command of Steven van der Haghen (1563-1624) and Jacob Wilckens, the 'Nieuwe Brabantse Compagnie' equipped 4 ships under the command of Pieter Both (1550-1615). Steven van der Haghen received the use of the castle Van Verre in Ambon from the inhabitants of the peninsula of Hitu in exchange for military support against the Portuguese. An attack on the Portuguese Leitimor fortress in east Ambon failed. Cornelis de Houtman berthed in Atjeh and died in a battle with the local population.

1600
The Dutch assisted the native chiefs of the Moluccas to expel the Portuguese, whose influence in these countries they acquired and have ever since steadily maintained.

Directors of the
Kamer van Hoorn
1602
On 20th March 1602 the Dutch 'Staten Generaal' issued a monopoly to trade and shipping in Asia for the duration of 21 years to the 'Verenigde Oost-Indische Compagnie', VOC. This patent would be extended in the years to come. The Staten Generaal also allowed the VOC to build fortresses and to deal as much damage as possible to the Portuguese and Spanish interests in Asia.
The company had six divisions or 'Kamers' in the Netherlands, in the cities Amsterdam, Middelburg, Rotterdam, Delft, Hoorn and Enkhuizen. The Kamers equipped ships themselves, the management was stipulated by the 'Heren Zeventien', a commission consisting of delegate leaders from the six Kamers, who in turn met in Amsterdam and Middelburg. The company capital (6.5 million guilders) was collected by shareholders who received dividend according to share from the profit of the return cargoes from Asia to the Republic.

1603
The first VOC fleet of twelve heavily armed ships stood under the command of Steven van der Haghen. One of his tasks was to attack the Portuguese establishments in Goa and Mozambique. The VOC established a trading post in Bantam, which the English had already done a year before.
The Spanish built a fortress on the Moluccas.
The rulers of Manado wanted to get rid of their Spanish invaders. They asked for help from the Dutch VOC in Ternate.

1605,
Steven van der Haghen expelled the Portuguese from the Moluccas and baptised Leitimor fortress into Fort Victoria. He drafted a contract with the inhabitants of Hitu for the supply of cloves. With Banda an agreement was made for the supply of nutmeg.

1606
The Spanyards from the Philippines invaded Fort Tidor which was abandoned by the Portuguese in Halmaheira.

1607
VOC ships for the first time entered the port of Manado to buy rice and other food produce needed as stock for the journey to China. They did not succeed because the Spanish who already controlled trade in North Sulawesi forbade it.
Governor Cornelis Mattelief from Batavia appointed Jan Lodewijk Rossingeyn to establish trade relations but it was refused by the Spanish.
The VOC maintained friendly relations with the notables of the sultanate of the Moluccas who hated the Spanyards. This happened because the Spanish had imprisoned Sultan Sahid Berkat and banished him to Manilla. The Ternate sultanate approached the Dutch as an alternative for the power of the Spanyards.

1610
Efforts to approach the Minahasas were continued when the VOC leaders in Batavia appointed Captain Verhoeff who also failed. Verhoeff reported at length about the potential of the Minahasa to attract interest from Batavia to gain control over North Sulawesi for the safety of the VOC in the Moluccas.
A guarantee for safety from the VOC was obtained by Ternate when prince Sahid, Sultan Modafar was raised to the throne in 1610 without interference from the Spanish.

1614
The VOC started to consolidate a force in Ambon to take the Sulawesi Sea from the Spanish. A brief battle between the Spanish and the Dutch raged in the month of August on the islands of Siauw, which was won by the Dutch. After losing Siauw, the Spanish centered its force in Manado. To counter Dutch attacks they established a fortress on the seashore of that city facing the island Manado Tua.

1617
Steven van der Haghen was appointed Governor of Ambon.

1630
Old Tondano Wedding
The child of Lingkan Wene and Juan de Avedo, by the name of Mainalo Wula'an, was married to a girl from Tanawangko. From their marriage resulted a boy who was then named Mainalo Sarani. When he became an adult, Mainalo Sarani was given the title Muntu-Untu whereas his wife was given the title Lingkan Wene.
Muntu-Untu and Lingkan Wene were baptised Christian by a Spanish missionary named Ordo Fransiscan. Then they were given the status of King of Manado.
Simon Kos, a Dutchman, official of the VOC in Ternate entered the Minahasa when it was under Spanish regime. Kos reported the results of his journey to Batavia which at that time was the center of government under control of the trade alliance of the ‘Verenigde Oost-Indiesche Compagnie”.

Batavia in 1730
Kos reported that North Sulawesi had enough potential, in field cultivation as well as its strategical position as spice traffic route in the waters of the Moluccas towards East Asia.
The presence of the Dutch and English as controlling forces in the Maluku waters gave the Walak heads in the Minahasa breathing space to chase away the Spanish from the Minahasa by approaching the Dutch who already controlled Ternate after successfully chasing away the Portuguese forces in the waters of the Moluccas.
The meeting occured when three different Walak heads: Supit, Paat‚ and Lontoh‚ performed a diplomatic mission and succeeded in meeting the representatives of the VOC in Ternate.

1634
The Moluccas
War in the Moluccas where the VOC tried to enforce the cloves monopoly in a violent manner. With help of local partners the supplies to other consumers ('smuggle' according to the VOC) were prevented and cloves plantations were destroyed. The tough measures of the VOC evoked much resistance with the inhabitants of Hitu and that led to bloody fights. The Hitus obtained support from the king of Ternate and the sultan of Gowa.
Makassar in Gowa was an important trades center in South Celebes (Sulawesi) where spice was traded outside of the VOC.

1637
Van Diemen undertook tough actions against troops of Ternate in Hoamoal (on Ceram).

1645
Walak heads of the Minahasa, Umbo (Tonsea), Lonta’an (Kakaskasen), Lumi (Tomohon), Taulu (Wenang), Kalangi (Ares), Posuma (Tombariri), Sawij (Jurubahasa), used boats of the king of Siauw to sail to Ternate. They wanted to negotiate a cooperation with the Dutch VOC. These Minahasas are certainly not of the Walian class, they were Walak heads and Walak heads in the Minahasa are of the Tona'as class.

1648
The Spanish lost their domination in the Sulawesi Sea to the Dutch in Europe due to the Munster Agreement.

1651
War between the Netherlands and Portugal is continued. On West-Ceram (Hoamoal) insurrectionists from Ternate murdered 150 VOC members with their wives and children.Spain sent Bartholomeus de Soisa from the Philippines to defend the North Sulawesi position, especially the residential areas of the Minahasa community.
The Spanish resided in the area of Uwuran (Amurang) and a few places on the seashores with the help of soldiers from Makassar. The latter claimed North Sulawesi as a part of the region of the sultanate of Makassar.

1655
Arnold de Vlamingh from Outshoorn (1608-1661) ended the war in the Moluccas with force. Hoamoal on West-Ceram was destroyed and the inhabitants were deported to Ambon. Also Ternate was punished.
The Dutch in the Minahasa got the upperhand over the Spanish.
Under the leadership of Simon Kos, the Dutch force landed on the estuary of the river and immediately started to establish a fortress at the end of the year.

1658
The Fort ‘De_Nederlandsche_Vastigheit‚’ built from wooden beams became a violent point of conflict between the Spanish and the Dutch. Kos succeeded to convince the government in Batavia that the building of the fortress was very important to maintain the position of the Dutch in the Sulawesi Sea. By controlling the Sulawesi Sea the Dutch position in the Moluccas would be safe from the Spanish.

1660
To reduce overproduction the cloves cultivation on Ambon was controlled from now on. Planting and harvesting were subject of stringent control, the surplus of trees were dug up.

Februari 1661
Beginning of 1661, with full support from Batavia, Kos sailed from Ternate to Manado escorted by two Dutch warships, Molucco and Diamant. This force defeated the Spanish and the Makassars up to Manado and Amurang.

1662
The Spanish retreated from Ternate and Tidore.

1673
Fort Amsterdam in Manado
The Dutch consolidated their influence in North Sulawesi and exchanged their old fortress for a permanent building from concrete. This fortress received the new name ‘Fort Amsterdam‚’ and was officially opened by the VOC Governor from Ternate, Cornelis Francx on 14th July(The fortress, located in Manado city, was demolished by the Mayor of Manado on 1949 - 1950).

1677
The Dutch expelled the Portuguese from Manado and occupied the place as the capital city of one of the districts under the government of the Moluccas.
The Dutch occupied Sangir Island.

Cakalele War Dancer
1679
The Dutch governor of the Moluccas, Robertus Padtbrugge, visited Manado. This visit resulted in a treaty on 10th January at the Dutch Fort in Manado (todays Pasar Jengky) with the local Minahasa chiefs. Minahasa was represented by Supit, Lontoh and Paat. The treaty then underwent a few changes a few times where in the end implicitly the Dutch recognized the existence of the Minahasa society and placed the Minahasa as an equal next to the Dutch.
At that time there already was a pawai-pawai according to Minahasa adat (habit). In his report in 1679 Robertus Padtbrugge said of the Minahasa that the Minahasa Traditional Soldiers all wore copper bracelets that jingle-jangled, with necklaces made of corals, and there was the sound of loud Drums.

1689
A conspiracy for murder of the Dutch in Batavia was devised by captain Jonker, a muslim and Ambonese leader in the service of the Compagnie, with the help of Amangkurat II.
After it was discovered Jonger was killed while on the run and his followers found a haven in Kartasura. Jonker was replaced as leader of the VOC Ambonese by his christian cousin Zacharias Bintang.

1693
The Minahasa win a decisive battle against the Bolaant in the south. Dutch influence grew when the Minahasa people embraced European goods and their God in their arms

1769
The French succeeded in stealing clove plants from Ambon and transported it to Mauritius and other colonies.

Do Filipinos living away from the Philippines have this problem? My goodness!!

TANG INA!!!!!!

culturally, i think filipinos have more european culture than anything. the european aspect of filipino outweighs much of the chinese and native influences. plus, theres the mestizo who are lauded in filipino society so they further propagate the idea of superiority of european culture.

So in short, you guys are culturally (and to some extent) ethnically caucasian.

Filipinos are Asian


DUH hindi naman sa Europe and Pilipinas

nah, filipinos are caucasian, just as any young filipina in the US

no @$$hole, if i find out that i have cracker blood on me, ill kill my self
btw where da fu-k did u find that filipinos are white? lol we are filipino/pinoy... and some consider themselves azn or pacific islander... rarely and pinoy would consider themself hispanic, even if most of us are small part hispanic descendant...

Whats wrong with you guys? We are CAUCASIAN, DUH~!!

duh talaga

man i love the topics here in filipino chat: "Are We Idiots?", "Are we Indians or Orientals?", "Is it true: Filipinos are Lazy?", "Are Filipinos Pacific Islanders"...really inciteful questions to our identities! Shows how our parents directed our identity...Oh wait scratch scratch "our" change it to "some retards"

imma say once you go asian, you never go caucasian.....
damn it ejay, post more interesting topics man.....
this is getting too old....

Amen.

makes me feel like singing "mga kababayan ko"

aba tama ka

first of all, Asia is the world's biggest continent and has many races to it. Mnay Asians are white, such as Israelies, Russians, etc.

Filipino are a people all of ourselves.

Our ancestors are rolling on their graves.

filipinos r experiments on asians gone wrong hahaha

well that depends.. are you mix?

Tsk! Pagkabugo! Hastang bugoa! Magbinugo ba?

I think so....I have light colored skin

So what's next: Are we black?!

QUOTE(pilipino @ Sep 17 2006, 04:12 PM)

I have light colored skin

Me to...

ooh what dialect is this?

anyways the person who made this thread must be really LOST lol

maybe he needs a world map?

lmao probably
but seriously how can u ask such a stupid question like that XD

Wat up dog?!

correction: Dawg

I think Filipinos are not caucasians, they are black

"Are We Idiots?" is probablyt he best thread title i've seen yet.

I bet you're not even filipino, and it's filipino, not pilipino.

i have no problem with either.

I guess it's okay, as long as it's not philipino, like most non filipino use.

Oh no!
Those people up's there defenetely reminds me of The northern island of Indonesia called Sangihe Talaud which is still part of North Sulawesi province in Indonesia.
Sangihe talaud the nearest island of Indonesia to the Philippine.

Guys! I'm telling you all the truth.

Is that a n!p slip? teh ban!!!

how about malay?

lol yun kagad na pansin mo?haha

They are technically called austronesians the first inhabitants of the Philippine Islands.