I think Kairy should shave his head and join Thai army!!! C'mon Kairy!!!

MERDEKA !!!!!

The Patani struggle is NOT some religious jihad aimed to Arabized the "Thais."

This is a question of emancipation from a century of Thai colonization of the old Malay Kingdom of Patani.

This is an ethnic thing: Patani MALAYS vs T'ai colonizers.

Religion became the issue only when the Thais insist on tagging the Patani populace as "Thai Muslims." Hence, the only avenue to differentiate the "Thai Muslims" (the Patani Malays) from other Thais is the "Muslim" tag. The Patani Malay liberation struggle then became the Thai "Muslim" insurrection, where the "Muslim" part tripped all the red flags and lights and induced frenzied concern among a largely ignorant global media, equating the insurgency with some laughable jihadist neo-caliphate agenda.

A new book on the Patani Issue is out soon.

http://patanibook.blogspot.com/


Read it and come back for a more intelligent discussion.

Thanks KijangMas

Dude Sukothai,Srivichai,Ayttaya ,Lanna and Pattanee were all once an independent state.Now we all merged to become one.

All of us are the owner of this country with the rights to vote or run for congressmen.

It's just some group of people with their benifitual lost and interest that causing this incident ;not the majority of the Southerner.

'Coz people in the south used to live in peace; regardless of what skin color or religion they believe in.

You're right they should not used the religion as the main strategy and tool to falsefully brainwash our new generation

people against the government.

Territorial wars were part of our Southeast Asia and the world's history and rules in the past.We did it all in the same manner.


Now it is the modern day with modern rules which agreed by the whole wide world to keep us in peace. Respect the rules will you please?

PeaceMan, let me try to make sense from your response, if i understand your "Inglit collectly."




Why are you mixing all these different entities from different eras into your Thai tom yum kung?

Anyway, can you pls explain to us how and when Negara Patani Darussalam became:-
- the Thai changwats of Pattani, Yala, Narathiwat, and
- the Songkhla amphurs of Thepha, Chana, Sabayoi and Na Thawi ?

Did the Patani Malays willingly let their Patani Kingdom become today's collection of assorted Thai provinces and districts? What happened to the last Patani King, Sultan Abdul Kadir Kamaruddin in 1902? He willingly decided to abdicate and take a slow boat at gunpoint up the Menam Chao Phraya for a 3 yr vacation in the Pitsanulok dungeon while his country and subjects are raped, pillaged and brutalised?



Where did you get these "facts"? Thai Army Channel 11? Gen. Pisarn Pinmanee? Khun Thaksin?




What rock or Krung Thep dungeon have you been hibernating? Patani has never been at peace since the 16th century when Ayutthaya decided to launch military adventures against the Malay kingdom.




Hey man, you sound soooo typically Thai of the Korat or Isaan variety. What I said was, the THAI GOVT. should not use religion (in this case, Islam) as the cause of the Patani conflict. This is an ethnic thing. Sonthi is a Muslim, but he would not give a hoot about Malay men being abducted or murdered by Thai forces because he is an ethnic Thai, not an ethnic Malay. Remember everyone, this is NOT a religious crusade the way the Thai state wants the world to perceive.




So you mean to say that you thais can invade someone else's country in 1902 and then say, "mai dai, mai dai, no more war pls. Pls follow the rules." What rules? YOUR rules? If you can invade and subjugate a land and people by force, why can't these colonised people adopt the same method to expel you? Why you Thais so special? Imagine Churchill telling the Brits in 1943, "listen chaps, the Jerries have won Europe, we should follow 'the rules,' stop fighting. We're all Germans now." Same logic applies to Asian countries invaded by Japan.

Let me give you a bonus question. OK, since you're big on "rules," lets use the "rules" of the modern world, the UN Charter on the Right to Self-Determination. OK? The UN rule says that aggrieved regional populations that can no longer be reconciled with the central authority can seek recourse via referendum (go check your "Inglit" dictionary if you're unsure of these alien words). So, lets make the 3-4m people of Changwat Pattani, Yala, Narathiwat, Satun and Songkhla vote in a referendum. Simple Yes/No answer to the question:"Do you want your province to be a part of Prathet Thai?"

So Buddy, YOU choose the option: 1) As Is (... meaning continued war of attrition where the Thai state will ultimately lose against a determined population) or 2) Referendum (....YOUR "rules").

This is the real world, Dude. The era of hiding behind untruths and lies on the Patani issue is truly over. The world now know who the real bad guys are.

See these reports:

http://hrw.org/reports/2007/thailand0307/

http://www.unhcr.org/cgi-bin/texis/vtx/hom...mp;id=4291a0764

http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.d...mplate=printart

Haha, Why don't you go and ask the REAL regional population there that they want independence or not?
My friends from Songkhla said that most people there just want peace, and of course, they don't want to be ruled by
terrorists, and they don't want to be the Islam state, the free religion is better in anyway.

As for myself, I think that the terrorists who kill a whole load of innocence people should not gain any authority.
Or people there will forever live in misery.

1902!? If it's this long, this land is Thai's already. It's just too long. If you want to use the history to regain land, then even the US would have to give their land back to North America natives, or England should give their land back to the Saxon or Roman or whoever that conquered them long ago.

Be real man, in the past of SEA, wars happened a lot, land always changed from one king to another.

Hey "G in BKK", relax buddy. Take it easy.

You know what, YOU are a prime example of a miss-led degenerate sustained on a diet of misinformation and deception by the Thai state.

Let me see.

G in BKK here claimed: “Why don't you go and ask the REAL regional population there that they want independence or not? My friends from Songkhla said that most people there just want peace, …”

OK G, it’s a deal. Lets "ask the REAL regional population there” on what they actually want. Listen up man, this is called a “Referendum” per my post above. I agree, lets ask everyone in the 5 captive Malay provinces on their true desire. If they want to continue to be colonized as “Thai Muslims” then its fine by me. Life goes on. If not, you G and your Krung Thep katoeys must stand aside, be quiet, be nice, and let the southern Malays administer themselves.

This kid further said, “…they don't want to be ruled by terrorists, and they don't want to be the Islam state (sic), the free religion is better in anyway (sic).”

Wow folks, see the inbuilt hatred and misconception in this guy’s pathetic mind. Who’s the “terrorist” here? The Malay populace or the Thai occupation forces and their bogeymen? Don’t you read history man? C’mon, lay off your counterfeit Chatuchak Donkey Kong video game and learn to read history. Then you’ll understand WHO started the killings and atrocities in the Patani Region. Yup, its YOUR kind since the first cowardly Ayutthayan invasion in 1601 and over 20 wars for the next 300 years thereafter. And what “Islam state” fantasy are you talking about? Why the heck must you care what form of state the Patani populace desire? What are you? A petty video game dictator? You Thais can have your Buddhist state from Trang-Phatthalung northwards. The Philippines (except Mindanao) revels in their Catholic utopia, India is Hindu Nirvana, Utah is Mormon haven, …… ad nauseam. So why should YOU care what form of govt. a soon-to-be-sovereign land prefers?

As for the rest of this kid’s comment, its just more of the tired Thai propaganda, calling everyone who oppose the colonization as “terrorists.”

Now, his second posting.

G of BKK said: “1902!? If it's this long, this land is Thai's (sic) already. It's just too long … Be real man, in the past of SEA, wars happened a lot, land always changed from one king to another.

Hmm, OK kid. Lets see. Pay attention for a crash course in political history. So you think a century is too long?? Spain was colonized and settled by North African and Berber Moors for over 700 years from the 8th to the early 15th centuries. But the Spanish regained their land literally inch by painful inch in hundreds of battles and ancient guerilla warfare and resistance not unlike today’s Patani Insurgency. Imagine if the Spanish race think like YOU? (No mas, no mas, senor, we are now Moors, we were Spanish too long ago. Be real amigo”). You know what, Vietnam was ruled mercilessly by Imperial China on four occasions – 207BC-39AD, 43-544AD, 602-905AD and 1407-27AD – for a total of 1,070 years! But did the brave Vietnamese gave up and became “Chinese” after a millennium of colonization? No. With this kind of practice, now you understand why the French and Americans were reduced to springrolls by the Vietnamese? China itself was ruled by the Mongols for a century in the 13th-14th centuries and ruled for almost 300 yrs by the Manchus until the early 20th century. Did the Chinese capitulated and became “Mongols” or “Manchus”? Of course not. They just don't think like this "G in BKK" character. They are fighters! India was ruled by the British Empire for almost two centuries until 1947. Are the British there now as rulers? Indonesia was under crippling Dutch rule for 350 yrs but reemerged after WWII to kick the crap out of the Dutch from Aceh to West Papua. Based on your petty logic, why the heck should Hong Kong revert to China after 156 yrs as a British Crown Colony? And Macau was a Portuguese colony for four hundred years before reverting back to their Chinese brethrens. I can go on and on ………………

So, how long was Patani ruled by Thailand? Too long for you? Toughen up man. Nationalist struggles are fought over hundreds of yrs over many generations. The 3-4m Patani Malays will NEVER be Thais. You can torture them, make many of them "disappear," put them in concentration camps, change their names, change the names of their towns and cities, erase their ethnicity and language and so on .......... BUT you will NEVER make them Thais. There are better odds of YOU being a "Burmese" than the Patani people becoming Thais.

Folks, simpletons like this “G in BKK” are what complicate matters down south. Unfortunately, they form the majority in the 68 other provinces of “Thailand Proper” and will continue to influence the nation’s mindset on how to solve the Patani Issue.

My advise to all: learn the area's history. Understand the real issues. Unearth the truth.

Explore this: http://patanibook.blogspot.com/

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh309/p.../BTABCover1.jpg

68? Try less, a lot less! This kind of revolt reminded me of Chiapas, Mexico and the Zapatista Revolutions led by Subcomandente Marcos.

Yeah, maybe much less. I figured "Thai"land proper encompasses ~50 provinces. The rest are periphery subjugated territories predominantly inhabited by non-T'ais, but these people were comprehensively assimilated into the "Thai" cultural yoke over the past 50-60 yrs, beginning with Phibun's "Thai Ratthaniyom" policy of the 1930s and 40s. Except the Patani Malays, of course, who belong to the much larger Malay World of the Nusantara of over a third of a billion people and see no need to capitulate and assimilate into the comparatively miniscule Thai ethno-social order modeled on the ethnic-T'ais of the Menam Chao Phraya basin.




Indeed. Anyway, what happened to Commandante Marcos? A lifetime ago back in the 80s, I spent a lot of time understanding the Central American natives languishing in the barrios of East LA while doing graduate work at USC. Sad stories prevail. These hombres were marooned between their lost Mayan/Aztec heritage and the dominant Hispanic world of Mexico southwards. Many ended up in the "Anglo" world of the U.S. with their butts literally at the end of the line at the Pacific Ocean.

Losing one's identity, heritage and the control of one's destiny (collectively as a society) are traumatic. The Chiapas uprising was an outlet. The Patani Insurrection is just another example of this malady.

Referendum with UN supervision is the way to go. Indonesia already did that after a bloody history with East Timor, and now while East Timorese happily struggle to fend for their own independent country, most Indonesians almost forget they used to have a province called East Timor and went on with their lives.
Come on people, there is a higher value bigger than ethnicity or nationality, and that is humanity. Let's end these bloody conflicts once and for all, for peace

Hahaha... Don't forget Sarawak and Sabah ... Please note that our founder has stolen Sarawak and Sabah from their people with dirty trick assisted by British .. Did you know that Tunku Abdurachman want also to steal Sumatra island but his idea was rejected by British ..

For me.... It would be better if Malaysia could give back Sarawak and Sabah to their native people and/or to Indonesia as a real owner of that lands ...

Just get over it alright KijungMas, Patani is and will always be a province of Thailand. if u wanna blame someone, it was the incompetence sultans who had failed to protect patani (kelantan, tranganu well pretty much half of the malay peninsular) from Siamese forces. Pattani was weak, period. The main reason why the south has failed to integrate into the general thai population is not because they are malay but because they are muslim. Thailand is not just 'Thai' and 'Malay' u know, we have other races and ethnics as well. Muslims just do not integrate. for goodness sake, even shiite and sunni are blowing each other up let alone mixing with people from other faiths. Name me a country where muslim minority is fully integrated into the society??

I have said this before and I will say it again, independent Pattani will become a failed state, a pest breeding ground, full of muslim terrorists and extremists. On earth, we use money to buy food so by just remembering every line in ur holy book will not put food on the table. so tell them, in stead of b!tching about thai government, go to school (not ponok) learn thai and get a job. Really, both Thailand and Malaysia are better off with Pattani as a province of the Kingdom of Thailand.

Can you pls elaborate to us the details and intricacies of the above statements. All points and arguments should be fact-based. Maybe there are facts you know that we don't know. Otherwise, you are threading dangerous waters here with many others.





Interesting. I'm all for self-determination but didn't the natives of Sabah and Sarawak in a UN-recognised referendum CHOSE to be affiliated with Malaya (and at that time with Singapore and almost Brunei as well) to form the Federation of Malaysia in Sept. 1963? The negotiations involving SIX political entities (the Malayan federal govt., the 11 state govts of Malaya, and the reps from the British colonies/protectorates of Singapore, North Borneo (Sabah), Sarawak and Brunei were exhaustive and comprehensive and involved the UN as well. Brunei pulled out of the talks at the eleventh hour after they couldn't agree on the sharing of oil revenues and the old Sultan's insistence on his primacy over the nine Malay Sultans of Malaya (many believed he wanted to be next in line to be Malaysia's King (in the country's unique rotational kingship) and not the last in line due to Brunei's late entry partly to ensure he gets a taste of life on the Malaysian throne (ironically, he was deposed by his son, the current Sultan of Brunei, in 1967..... something which would be impossible had Brunei been a Malaysian state. But thats another story).

As for North Borneo and Sarawak, these two territories went through numeorus consultations involving their native populations, including the Malaysia Solidarity Consultative Committee (which resolved to form the Malaysian federation (1961); the resolution of the Legislative Council of North Borneo (1962); Report of the Cobbold Commission (1962); the Twenty-Point Manifesto of the Sabah Alliance (1962); Report of the Inter-Governmental Landsowne Committee (1963) and finally the Malaysia Agreement (1963). Can you on your end pls show us some facts that contradict the findings of these bodies plus the UN? Who were these native dissenters? Gimme some names? In what capacity were they opposing the union? As individuals? As village headmen? As elected reps or ethnic/community leaders? Who are these natives that Malaysia should "give" Sabah and Sarawak back to?

Folks, I hate trolls.

Anyway, the people of North Borneo and Sarawak actually went through two separate processes to chose their destinies: the Cobbold Commission set up by the British Government to determine the wishes of the people of the territories via a referendum, and later a much-publicised UN team specially set up by U Thant, the UN Secretary-General, at the request of Indonesia and the Philippines. Both the Cobbold Commission and the United Nations Assessment Team found the people of North Borneo and Sarawak overwhelmingly in favour of joining Malaya and Singapore to form Malaysia. On another note, the planned Aug 31 birthdate of Malaysia (to coincide with Malaya's independence day) was delayed by over two weeks as the U Thant Assessment Team had to submit its report to the UN General Assembly for debate. When the diplomatic dust settled, the new expanded nation of the Federation of Malaysia was proclaimed on Sept. 16, 1963. As a matter of trivia, both North Borneo and Sarawak did "enjoy' full independence (without Malaya) from Aug 31 to Sept. 16, 1963 as the British colonial govt. decided to relinquish "ownership" of these territories on Aug. 31 as planned earlier and granted them self-government status in this interim period. If there was any popular dissent to the Malaysia framework, this would have been the window of opportunity. There was no significant dissent and the two Borneo territories waited patiently as the UN Gen. Assembly debated their fate. The new nation of Malaysia was then proclaimed upon procurement of the UN mandate. Within hours, thousands of troops from Malaya's elite Royal Malay Regiment had descended into both territories and maintained decorum and to discourage any Philippine or Indonesian adventurism. In Sarawak, the predominantly Iban troops of the fierce Sarawak Rangers were placed under Malaysian military command without any incident that would suggest any native dissent to the Malaysia framework and they would later be named the Royal Ranger Regiment.

DrGieL3, for the benefit of people here, can you pls explain to us the basis of your statement that Malaysia should "give back" Sabah and Sarawak "to Indonesia as a real owner of that lands ..."?? Can you pls show us when did Indonesia or their former Dutch colonial masters actually owned these two territories? If anything, Brunei (as the historical "owner" of that part of Borneo) would have a strong claim to ownership. In fact "Borneo" itself is a Portuguese corruption of "Brunei." But Indonesia?

Folks, one thing that pisses me off are trolls and bots that waste bandwidth with petty, mischievious heresays based on nothing but their own inherent insecurities and frustrations.

DrGieL3, give us the cold hard facts and stats to back up your sweeping statements. Otherwise, pay attention to your history lessons in school and try to understand the world beyond your petty little problems within your social environment.

What is this? Dumb troll day??

Sorry mate, we don't buy your point. Folks, like I said earlier, Krung Thep katoeys like this Arroi kid here still languish in a Thai fairytale of a Unitary Kingdom under the King and Buddhism. Listen up kid, Patani's fate is NOT determined by people like you. Who are YOU to bark that Patani shall be Thai territory till eternity huh? Who the heck do you think you are claiming other people's land shamelessly. Jeeez, there are indeed no honour in thieves.



OK, agreed on that point. But now that the Patani populace are getting stronger in opposing Thai colonialism, why then are you complaining? When they were weak, you took advantage and invaded. Now that they are getting stronger and your people are getting weaker and disintegrating by the day, why then are you complaining? In geo-politics. the weak lose; the strong win. The 500-yr Patani-Siam saga has indeed come full circle. Too bad for you buddy. Be prepared to bring your passport next time you cross south beyond Hat Yai, if you dare that is, which I doubt.



Here we go again. Man, you people are sooooo brainwashed on this issue; you cannot even discuss the Patani Conflict without degenerating into your own anti-Muslim trap. This has become Thailand's no.1 national ailment. Islamophobia.

Let me ask you. "Integrate into the general thai population" means what?? Speak Thai? Bearing Thai names? Forced to be tagged as a "Thai Muslim"? Forced to go to Thai-language public schools? Denied the right to be called an ethnic-Malay? Forbidden to speak Malay in schools? If this is not a Malay-Thai thing, why don't you people allow Malay to flourish in the occupied provinces? Why disallow Malay language public schools? Why oppose the NRC's recommendation for Malay to be a working language in govt. in the region? Why so scared of the "Malay" word? Why must you insist that Patani Malays be called "Thai Muslims"?




Isn't Thailand already a failed state? How worst can it be in Patani? At least, the place will rid itself of the Thai army/police death squads and assorted immigrant Thai Nikom scheme militias.

As for governing, again, why do you take it upon yourself to doubt the ability of the Patani people to govern themselves? Why are you unable to perceive Patani without the distraction of a 30,000-men Thai occupation force and thousands of state-supported immigrant Thai bogeymen (a la Haiti’s tonton macoutes under Baby Doc Duvalier) terrorizing the indigenous populace? You need to be educated, man. What does “governing” in the context of a new nation mean to you? Have you heard of the UN? What about ASEAN? Listen man, by the time a territory of 3-4m people reaches the stage of “governing itself,” the whole political machinery of the UN, ASEAN and states-of-interest (inc. Thailand itself and Malaysia as well) would have instituted the whole gamut of administrative mechanisms a la Aceh and Timor Leste. Why don’t you Google “Aceh – Indonesia MoU on autonomy.”

You know what, you people have reached the end of the line on this Patani argument. You are already bankrupt of points beyond the islamic terrorist bvll$hit that you have been feeding on.

Thailand have LOST the five southern provinces for all intents and purposes. The only "govt." functioning down there are the unseen district and village committees manned by Malay insurgents and the Thai army/police mafia. For people to think that there exist a functioning Thai state administration governed by Bangkok in the region is a joke in itself. Krung Thep sino-Thais like Arroi (Ah keong?) here know nothing beyond what they read in Matichon or Thai Rath or see on Bangkok TV while splayed on their soft pink bedsheets in aircond Krung Thep flats.

You know why you've lost Patani? Your troops are unwilling to fight. These conscripts have no reason to die in defending a totally alien territory where they cannot even understand the language and are hated by the populace. They just don't belong there, much less to fight for that land. The juwae, the Malay insurgents, are having a field day popping off your troops who are sitting ducks in fortified bunkers. You know where the the Malays got their M-16s, M-79s and RPGs? yup, courtesy of the Thai 4th Army and the Thai Police 9th region. See how screwed up you are in the captive provinces? Your battalion commanders are willing to sell the very weapons used to kill young conscripts. A western scholar who surveyed the occupied lands said:-

"The security presence in the south was minimal. In five days of driving, last week, I rarely witnessed patrols. The vast majority of security forces, including army, police, rangers, and border patrol police were in fixed static positions, usually behind sandbags and concertina wire. Checkpoints are unmanned during the days, and only once was my vehicle stopped and searched. The security forces tend to go out only in reaction to events, rather than on active patrols. In only one case, did I see five soldiers on foot patrolling/searching. Most of the soldiers who are killed or wounded are on security detail for teachers; hence they do not like to leave their barracks."

See full story: http://counterterrorismblog.org/2007/07/a_...rn_thailand.php


Sad indeed. Nothing worst for a nation than cowardly soldiers.

Never mind Ah keong/Arroi, Prathet Thai has 68 other provinces to screw up.

What a joke.

It would be better if you have also known "the real story" behind our written history ..... As well known, many of our modern history was written and manipulated by the Government (UMNO)... Hahahaha ....

You can search it from many independent sources/medias if you want to know the truth ......



Hahaha .... How can you say like that ? Do you think that Malaysia is more advanced than Thai ?

I can't also understand why Malaysia still continue to support the separation of Pattani from Thai .... as Malaysia did to Free Aceh Movement (GAM)?

Do you know for what ? ....for their crazy ambition --> Islam and Great Malay (Melayu Raya) ..... -crazy-crazy

Listen up kid, I've just wasted ten minutes of my life giving a rundown of what transpired in the formation of Malaysia. My part's done. And we are all waiting for YOUR facts and data, with verified sources written from other parties -- not Malaysian (UMNO, PAS, DAP, Hindraf or any other mosquito parties). Now, instead of giving us forummers the facts to back your outlandish claims, you instead ask ME to search "the truth" for you.

You are either lazy or don't know what the heck you're talking about or BOTH.






Whats your POINT? Why are you all worked up on your own fairytales which you have not supported with any facts?? And even if there is some truth in your accusations, why is it a concern of yours?? Whats YOUR stake in all this? Why are you so bitter and envious of Malaysia's Malays and UMNO?? We can't quite follow. Hey kid, pls tell us your story. Were you bullied by some Malay kids in school? They beat you to a pulp like I heard happened to people like you. I heard life can be rough for some people in that country. You may be one of the victims. Why don't we discuss your alternatives. What CAN you do to change things there?

C'mon, don't be lazyyy. Put some effort into this.

Very well, so you know quite a lot about your part of so called Muslim/Thailand but you should know quite as much about other parts of Thailand like the North(Lana, shan, Lao) and Eastern (Khmer) part of Thailand. Subjegated? Holly molly, you insulted our feelings. Khmer people have always been stepped on by our Siamese friends and like rice-seed we lay low and wait. All people longed to be free.
For once I agreed with you; that Thailand is a failed state. The only force that keep the empire together is the Royal Family. As for the Junta, their days are numbered. We'll see what happen when RAMA IX leave this Earth and his playboy son take over the Empire.
The world is in a constant state of change. When Thailand have a total civil war, I hope those so called Thai people have an ethnic identities to rally around. To your own ethnic you will find salvations.

Arroi, my Chinese dog breeder friend. How have you been? Have you been doing any native human breeding lately?

Hahahaha ..... you have to blame your grand grand father who created the problem in Pattani now .....

Are your people organized and united like the Patani Malays to resist the Siamese tramplings? Who are the ethnic-Khmer community leaders in Thailand? What part of today's Prathet Thai do you consider historical Khmer soil? Of course, if you go far enough into history, most of Thailand WAS part of Dvaravati (an ancient Mon-Khmer kingdom) and later formed the western half of the Kambujadesa empire. The T'ais who migrated south from Yunnan after being displaced by the Han Chinese slowly but surely displaced the khmers in the Chao Phraya basin and ultimately outfought their Khmer masters. The T'ais not only took the land, they also hijacked your culture, costume, royal rituals, alphabet and the kitchen sink and regard them as theirs while your people are written in history as an offshoot of T'ai culture and heritage.

When do your people plan to reclaim all these lost heritage? Low lying and waiting rice seeds cannot change things.





Of course. We ALL know that. Thailand was extremely fortunate to have Rama IX as the king for so many yrs. When he took over from his murdered brother, the concept of kingship in Siamese society was fast dissipating. The so-called "people's revolution" of 1932 rendered King Prajadhipok into a lost, powerless figurehead. Prajadhipok abdicated in 1935 and moved to England to protest his increasing marginalisation and deterioration of his relations with the new government, which refused to even guarantee his safety amidst great socio-political instabilities. His 9 yr old nephew based in Switzerland, Rama VIII (Ananda Mahidol), was deemed unfit to rule until he comes of age. This effectively left Siam without a ruling monarch (yeah, they did have a rubber stamp 3 men Regency - Prince Anuwatjaturong, Prince Artit Thip-apa, and Chao Phraya Yommaraj - for royal ceremonies) but power was in the hands of the "reformist" quasi-democratic government. You Thais know that poor Rama VIII was shot in his bed in 1946 at the age of 20. By who? Now thats another story. Anyway, his kid brother, young Rama IX was elevated to the throne in this period of turmoil as Thailand was at the mercy of the Allied powers after siding with Japan in WW2. Against all odds, Rama IX flourished in his role and brought back credibility and prestige in Thai kingship while various dictators and politicians bungled their way through successive corrupt juntas. Rama IX turned into a rallying point for a long suffering populace and various juntas used his prestige to legitimise their own causes. Personally, Rama IX is a model king and is genuinely revered, even in the southern Malay heartland. I personally have great respect for his majesty and the queen.

After him? When Rama X takes over? This is when the honeymoon's over

Thais will be caught between the political mafiosi, trigger-happy army bosses, and a ........ hmm, interesting challenging proposition for a king. The Malay revolt in Pak T'ai will erupt in full force; a half-million ethnic-T'ais will need to do a reverse Nikom and move back from Negara Patani Darussalam to Lanna, Isaan and Korat; other ethnic groups will start to appear and demand their own rights (even now, Arroi's relatives are relearning Mandarin and beginning to understand their non-T'ai origins and will soon demand "Chinese rights"); and your ethnic-Khmer rice seeds will start to grow.

Post Rama IX, the world will witness what "Thai"land actually is. Like I said, honeymoon's over folks.

Be prepared for a wild ride into the dark side of history .............

WOW!

This is the most interesting post about Thailand I've ever read in this board.

Who are you dude?

How old are you?

What is your level of education? And in which field?

Man, your knowledges about thailand history is second to none in this forum. And your prediction of thailand future is freaking me out.

I also think that Thailand we fall into pieces. There might be at least another five new countries controllong by warloards.

Me as a southerner feeling uncomfortable breathing the same air as those Thaksin's supporters.


A teacher at my school is the most hardcore Thaksin supporter. Every three hour lecture is a real nightmare.

I have to fake smile everytime I talk to that d!ckhead. I hate him. I hate Thaksin. And I will hate Thai ppl if they elect Thaksin to run the country again.

I can see only trend that Unification of divese people is new world order, more and more the world become too small to be devided, corporation woud become so necessary that border separation will be piontless.

Unification is the key.

There are 76 provinces in the Kingdom of Thailand.

Fifty cents wager sys nobody can name 52 without a google in 60 seconds.

03:41 gmt.
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03:44 gmt: Thank you for your efforts to all contestants, but too slow.

Hi kiddo,

I advise Southeast Asian governments on foreign policy and military strategies. I've also advised various Thai and Laotian government agencies on some infrastructure ventures. Hence, I've been involved with "Thai" people on all corners of the kingdom, inc. Nong Khai and Udon Thani (with your hospitable Isaan people); Chieng Mai (with the beautiful Lanna populace); Bangkok (at one time, almost my 2nd home); and of course, the Patani Region, esp. Narathiwat (peaceful, beautiful Malays spoiled by bad Thai governance).

My advise to bright kids like you: Learn from the past. Understand history. Challenge the "facts." Find the logic and rationale of past events. Give your opinions. Engage in intelligent discussions on your country's future. BUT remember, statements and accusations MUST be backed by cold, hard FACTS. Otherwise, the statements are just rumours and heresays. Nations collapse from rumours and heresays and when the populace didn't understand their own history.

My stint in this forum is to educate you all. I see too much trash being dished out here by ignorant kids. Some of these are the product of their upbringing, not-too-nice families and social-group attitude.

Cheers

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OH! Jesus!

I knew it. I knew it.

I said to myself this guy must be sent from above.

And I was right!

Please guide us to the better life, my lord.

You are one scary intity. Are you being sent by ............? I am talking about the junta and their days are numbered. However, I don't think Thailand will fall anytime soon. I don't think it will fall at all. It may just transform into another nation or groups; a true democracy. I hope there will be no violence. You forgot to point out that Thailand still have a future Queen who is now a devoted Princess to her people.
I don't know who you really are. But are you being for real or just a troll. Khmer people and Thai people have such a tangible relationship that we are inseparable now. You must try to understand that whatever problems you have against Siam in the past and whatever problems that you have with Thailand now; it must be resolve overtime with the Junta.
Khmer people, too have problems with the Junta and not with the entire Thai populace. When I said about the rice seed that will wait, I'm not talking about taking over a country but to take charge of their own destinies and choose their own representative in their own regions.
I don't think you quite understand about our position. We are Buhddist just like most of the people in Thailand and we don't want to hurt each others. Whatever you want to do in your region is your broblems but just keep it down south.
You may have issues with the Thai government but we have our own issues. Our issues is trying to avoid exploitations by the wealthy class. It is just one group of people but all poor people. I hope there won't be any conflict to resolve such class struggles.

Referendum!

DrGiel3: Thank you, but we don't need North Kalimantan to join Indonesia. Your government can keep on their grip upon the native people in East Malaysia, we in Indonesia are satisfied with what we've got in Ancestor-Hindu-Buddhist-Islam times before colonial force came to our island. Note that Kalimantan island is my hometown

Hey kid, relaaax. Don't be scared. No one's gonna hurt you .... yet. No need to jump to conclusions. We are all here to discuss issues. When people STOP discussiing, then we'll have trouble.

Now I understand your point on your "Khmer rice seed" story. Next time, express your points clearer. Otherwise, others may misinteprete your true intentions.

Its good to see that your Khmer people within Prathet Thai territory and the T'ai people are "inseparable." Good to see that you don't mind the hijacking of your culture by the T'ais as theirs. Issue solved. Thats settled then.

As for the five southern captive Malay provinces, it is not MY issue kid. It is everybody's issue. If you desire peace, this will be YOUR issue as well, as peace in Prathet Thai is dependent on peace in the WHOLE kingdom, from Chiang Rai to Yala.

OK my new disciple ... ... I will guide you to the righteous path

Deposit the sum of US$899.95 into Citibank Soi Nana branch acct no. 0082-046-014 and let the healing begin ................... hallelujah, I see the light, the bright shining light ........ yesss, the shiny @$$ of Thaksin's new S600 V12. Praise the lord!!!

Ha ha ha ..... just kidding buddy.

No, I'm not some porcelain deity in need of daily poojas and bribes (.... pls, mai moo, mai moo, no more suckling moos and pineapples; gimme a pepperoni pizza for a change).

I'm here just to share thoughts and to sample the mindset of other forummers. Many are intelligent. But many others are ..... lost causes. Too bad.

Sometime you have to read between the lines.
You think that the T'ais hijacked Khmer culture, thats like saying that the French and the Spanish(just to name a few) stole Roman culture. Cambodia and Thailand are both children of the Ankorian/Khmer Empire. Thailand may have written off Khmer people as their offshoot, let them. They will eventually come to a conclusion on their own. The rest of the world is way ahead of them about Thai's history. The world Knew that Khmer people were there before Siam and Thailand existed and the rest is history. Thailand can lie to itself but cannot lie to the world about Khmer history.
As for you calling me kid is like a kid trying too hard to act like an adult. Normal adults are not as eager to go to war as you are. War is reserved for last resort. I think you are the kid here. Grow up and look for a peaceful way as your Islamic Religion preached to you.

[quote name='lemongrass' date='Jan 5 2008, 02:19 PM' post='3403440']
I think you are the kid here. Grow up ... /quote]

Wow, gee whiz.

I must be the smartest "kid" on earth then, having spent many yrs advising foreign govts and running businesses all over SEA since the time I was in mom's womb.

Gee, thanks buddy.

You made my day.


Ha ha ha ha ................

Nice kijangmas. you're the voice of reason here. me? i just simply order an invasion of southern thailand and retake back all the malay provinces.