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Canh Thong Do


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Do, an American citizen and Silicon Valley engineer, was arrested Aug. 14 in central Vietnam while vacationing with his family. The Vietnamese government accuses him of plotting a terrorist attack on an American government building in Vietnam, according to U.S. Embassy officials there. The U.S. Embassy in Vietnam said last week there is no evidence linking Do to any terrorist plot.



Cite: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canh_Thong_Do


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kpham001
That is all bull$hit.

An american citizen would never attack an american ambassy. Plus, there is no evidence at all. It is just an excuse to hold and detain him for whatever reasons.
ddha
God... when are they going to stop doing that?
chosenone22
QUOTE(kpham001 @ Sep 19 2006, 11:34 AM) *

That is all bull$hit.

An american citizen would never attack an american ambassy. Plus, there is no evidence at all. It is just an excuse to hold and detain him for whatever reasons.



I wouldn't use the word never though.
blacklight
QUOTE(kpham001 @ Sep 19 2006, 11:34 AM) *

That is all bull$hit.

An american citizen would never attack an american ambassy. Plus, there is no evidence at all. It is just an excuse to hold and detain him for whatever reasons.

They are probably pumping him for all the info he has about everyone he knows, even as we speak. They know they will have to release him eventually and in reasonably good shape, though. My best guess as to when he will be released is when the US Embassy will throw a fit.
justme
they're prob trying to make $$ out of the dude, i guess..but i don't think he was planning to bomb the US embassy when he himself is a US citizen with a good job in the Valley. it just makes no sense.
bluelakedragon
His name is Đỗ Thành Công and not Do Thong Canh or maybe he has more than one name.

This shows the CSVN can just jail anyone they want and can accuse anyone with anything -"jungle laws".

This might be just another game for them. Bush is coming to Vietnam in November and will tell the CSVN that democracy is the way to go and respect human rights. Just before Bush arrived to Vietnam and before the international attention, CSVN will announce that Mr. Cong will be released. Thus, this makes CSVN looks like an angel.

The reality right now is that CSVN been questioning and harassing Viet democrats all over the country. They are afraid that these democrats will stage a demonstration.
landsknechts
Why is this guy got arrested while there are like thousands of other Vietnamese tourists out there who do not get accused/arrested for this crime? This guy sure is who hell of an "innocent" victim.
arun
He's Nguyen Huu Chanh's pal.
xyz
He has admitted he's a member of the so called People Democracy party, even his wife didn't know about this until she was informed by the U.S consulate in HCM city.
bluelakedragon
QUOTE(landsknechts @ Sep 20 2006, 12:08 AM) *

Why is this guy got arrested while there are like thousands of other Vietnamese tourists out there who do not get accused/arrested for this crime? This guy sure is who hell of an "innocent" victim.



He is a member of a "Democracy Party" and which law says that its illegal for a tourist to be a member of some Democracy Party. CSVN can arrest anyone and keep them in jail for months and years without trials. And without trial, they don't have to show any evidence. Thats why for years, critics like the Venerable Thich Quang Do and Thich Huyen Quang demand trial but CSVN ignore and still keep them in house arrest.

Last month, three young people released from a 9 months jail without trial. Two people from Vietnam and one from the US. Lisa Pham from the US was accused of working for the CIA and stuff but they have no evidence. Those young people just chat about democracy and freedom on "paltalk".

CSVN accused Mr. Cong of planning to blow up the US embassy in Vietnam. Even the US embassy personnel says that there's no evidence. I like to believe that he's innocent until proven guilty but for CSVN, you're guilty and we don't need prove! confused.gif
landsknechts
QUOTE(bluelakedragon @ Sep 19 2006, 10:27 PM) *

He is a member of a "Democracy Party" and which law says that its illegal for a tourist to be a member of some Democracy Party. CSVN can arrest anyone and keep them in jail for months and years without trials. And without trial, they don't have to show any evidence. Thats why for years, critics like the Venerable Thich Quang Do and Thich Huyen Quang demand trial but CSVN ignore and still keep them in house arrest.

Last month, three young people released from a 9 months jail without trial. Two people from Vietnam and one from the US. Lisa Pham from the US was accused of working for the CIA and stuff but they have no evidence. Those young people just chat about democracy and freedom on "paltalk".

CSVN accused Mr. Cong of planning to blow up the US embassy in Vietnam. Even the US embassy personnel says that there's no evidence. I like to believe that he's innocent until proven guilty but for CSVN, you're guilty and we don't need prove! confused.gif

That monk Thich Quang Do only get house arrested?
bluelakedragon
QUOTE(landsknechts @ Sep 20 2006, 12:48 AM) *

That monk Thich Quang Do only get house arrested?


He was in and out of prison many times and now under house arrest. He was also a Nobel Peace Prize nominee .
etalkishere
QUOTE(kpham001 @ Sep 19 2006, 10:34 AM) *

That is all bull$hit.

An american citizen would never attack an american ambassy. Plus, there is no evidence at all. It is just an excuse to hold and detain him for whatever reasons.


I'm with you. The only thing, through news, I know about him is that he wrote many online articles calling for democracy in Vietnam. As I said before, CSVN stinks and makes a mistake here!!! How the hell they expect a large number of overseas professionals to come back and contribute to the country while this b**$hit continues? Just stupid, IMO. They just sent out a wrong message. I hope he will be released soon, in reasonably good health condition. Otherwise, I'll be even more pissed.
TrashCleaner
I do not believe that political post like this should be posted here.
It should be moved to the serious talk section.

Makes the forum so messy.
blacklight
QUOTE(kpham001 @ Sep 19 2006, 11:34 AM) *

That is all bull$hit.

An american citizen would never attack an american ambassy. Plus, there is no evidence at all. It is just an excuse to hold and detain him for whatever reasons.

I wouldn't put anything past Tim McVeigh and his ilk. But Can Thong Do is certainly not a member of this distinguished group any more than I am.
canhong
QUOTE(etalkishere @ Sep 20 2006, 05:50 AM) *

I'm with you. The only thing, through news, I know about him is that he wrote many online articles calling for democracy in Vietnam. As I said before, CSVN stinks and makes a mistake here!!! How the hell they expect a large number of overseas professionals to come back and contribute to the country while this b**$hit continues? Just stupid, IMO. They just sent out a wrong message. I hope he will be released soon, in reasonably good health condition. Otherwise, I'll be even more pissed.

I'm sure they're very clear in their message: "spend your money, but keep you mouth shut"... icon_confused.gif

At least nowadays news like this get out to the public (perhaps partly because the man is a US citizen). Back in the days, he might just disappear into thin air (this happened to a close friend of my dad, who was living in VN c. 84-85. He was never heard from after getting "invited" to meet with district police. My dad found out later that he was a member of some underground political party/group).

There's hope that things are gonna get better, though. By the way, I assume Mr. Can Thong Do's "Democracy Party" is US-based? I never heard of it.

c...
anhpeter
thats communism for u
bluelakedragon
beerchug.gif GOOD NEWS!! beerchug.gif

There is no reason to arrest this man or many other democrats! CS sucks!

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/15574153.htm
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Vietnam deports San Jose activist

HANOI, Vietnam - Vietnam today deported an American pro-democracy activist suspected of plotting against the communist government, his daughter said.

Vietnamese-born Cong Thanh Do, 47, of San Jose was arrested Aug. 14 while on vacation in the south-central city of Phan Thiet, his family has said.

State-run Vietnam Television broadcast pictures Thursday of Cong Thanh Do checking in at Ho Chi Minh City airport.

Do's daughter, Bien Dobui, later confirmed that report, saying her family had talked to Do while he was at the airport in Taipei, en route to his home in San Jose. They expected him to arrive in San Francisco later Thursday, she said.

``I'm really happy,'' she said in a telephone interview. ``He talked to my mom on his cell phone, and they were both very emotional.''

Police arrested Vietnamese-born Do on Aug. 14 while he was on vacation in the south-central city of Phan Thiet, along with two Vietnamese citizens. Police accused them all of setting up the anti-government People's Democracy Party, and printing and disseminating pamphlets in Ho Chi Minh City and some other provinces calling for an end to the Communist Party's monopoly on power.

Do's family denies all the accusations, saying he had simply returned to his homeland as a tourist.

Earlier this week, the Communist Party newspaper Nhan Dan (The People) quoted a police report as saying that Do was suspected of plotting to attack the U.S. Consulate in Ho Chi Minh City.

He was held for more than a month without charges being filed against him.

Neither Vietnamese police nor U.S. Embassy officials were available for comment Thursday.

U.S. Ambassador Michael Marine said earlier this month that he had seen no evidence that Do was plotting an attack.

Do, an engineer, immigrated to the United States in 1982 and has returned to Vietnam several times since, his family has said.
chanoi
well he is released back to the U.S now
etalkishere
The CSVN government made a smart and right move here. He should have not been arrested in the first place, giving there was no evidence at all that he was involved with terrorism acts. He was just a tourist, visiting the motherland. I am very glad things work out very well for him and his family.
ABC in NYC
[quote name='QuangCamRanh' date='Sep 19 2006, 11:29 AM' post='2309060']
Canh Thong Do
Cite: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canh_Thong_Do
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Arrested for having a funny looking moustache. beerchug.gif
Nha Le
Will this catch and release hurt Vietnam in the global economy?
AsianForum
This world is about money. No one really cares about him.

Afterall, he is a member of an anti-vietnam government organization, so no innocent on his part.

Even I don't believe his so called "nonviolence" talk.



QUOTE(Nha Le @ Sep 23 2006, 10:38 PM) *

Will this catch and release hurt Vietnam in the global economy?
blacklight
QUOTE(Nha Le @ Sep 23 2006, 11:38 PM) *

Will this catch and release hurt Vietnam in the global economy?

Yeah, in the sense that overseas Vietnamese will be reluctant to invest heavily in Vietnam as individuals, unless they have ironclad guarantees regarding their personal freedom, safety and the continued ownership of their property. Frankly, the government officials who pull this sort of stunts do not mentally put the overseas Vietnamese in the same category as the foreigners, so these officials do stuff to overseas Vietnamese that would never dare try with the foreigners.
daniel2003_ca
Canh Thong Do is the pain in everyone a-ss. So is Ly Tong...These people never learn their lession well. It's over. There's no such a thing like Free Vietnam.... Do ran like a dog after 1975. No matter what the F these freaking a-ss-holes try to do. They can't harm Vietnam.
bluelakedragon
QUOTE(daniel2003_ca @ Sep 24 2006, 11:56 AM) *

Canh Thong Do is the pain in everyone a-ss. So is Ly Tong...These people never learn their lession well. It's over. There's no such a thing like Free Vietnam.... Do ran like a dog after 1975. No matter what the F these freaking a-ss-holes try to do. They can't harm Vietnam.



Do was a teenager when Saigon fell to the VC. You know who's harming Vietnam? those fu-king corrupted officials and the fu-king government system that allowed them to rob money from the country. are those $hitheads a pain in your @$$ and my @$$?????

I don't see any thing wrong with people who criticizes the government and supporting democracy. don't u??
TrashCleaner
Pls close this thread or move it to the serious chat.
Im sick of the anti-gov't thread in this part of the chat.


A bunch of people with a whole lot of assumptions with nothing better to do than throwing one-sided view into the general chat section.
supraCC
Do not close this thread. what with all commies making all type of demands? laugh.gif
AsianForum

Because we are the winner, and you are the loser. laugh.gif

QUOTE(supraCC @ Sep 25 2006, 08:19 PM) *

Do not close this thread. what with all commies making all type of demands? laugh.gif

TrashCleaner
QUOTE(supraCC @ Sep 26 2006, 11:19 AM) *

Do not close this thread. what with all commies making all type of demands? laugh.gif


commies what? dont make assumption. With your zero understanding, your assumption is probably wrong as well. Why the hell people have to be separated into commies and non-commies? grow up.

However, there is a difference between acting civilised and acting non-civilised, be respectful of others and not respectful of others. For what i know, throwing anti-gov't thread with a bunch of demands 'free this', 'free that' when no-one is educated on the subject is like to teach integration to a bunch of kids.

There is a serious chat section, if you want, go in there; your opponent is in there. Talk whatever political things you like in there. I doubt u even know anything about politics.

bluelakedragon
QUOTE(TrashCleaner @ Sep 25 2006, 08:07 PM) *

Pls close this thread or move it to the serious chat.
Im sick of the anti-gov't thread in this part of the chat.


A bunch of people with a whole lot of assumptions with nothing better to do than throwing one-sided view into the general chat section.



dude, why are you yelling??? My ear drums hurt just by looking a the font. bawling.gif
TrashCleaner
QUOTE(bluelakedragon @ Sep 26 2006, 11:29 AM) *

dude, why are you yelling??? My ear drums hurt just by looking a the font. bawling.gif



Writing can hurt your eyes but not your ear. Where is the common sense?
I bold it because some people are probably near blind, they cant see clearly.
bluelakedragon
QUOTE(TrashCleaner @ Sep 25 2006, 08:30 PM) *

Writing can hurt your eyes but not your ear. Where is the common sense?
I bold it because some people are probably near blind, they cant see clearly.


I was being sarcastic there. laugh.gif
supraCC
Some people in here are too serious. They are probably bac ky. Relax. laugh.gif
etalkishere
A man of steel, indeed!!! Hats off to your courage, Mr. intellectual beerchug.gif

``They know very well I'm not a terrorist,'' Do said. ``They just want to destroy my group.''

``What they wanted was the information in my head,'' said Do, speaking from his modest tract home in San Jose. ``They didn't get anything from me.''

``I have a very nice, comfortable life here in the United States. But a part of me is always in Vietnam,'' said Do, 47. ``I've always wanted to do something for Vietnam, so the people can enjoy what I do: democracy.''

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S.J. activist keeps democracy dream alive for Vietnam


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By K. Oanh Ha
Mercury News

Before his arrest in Vietnam, Cong Thanh Do knew he was a marked man.

Speaking at length Tuesday for the first time since his release last week after 38 days of detention, Do said he had traveled to Vietnam to meet with fellow members of the underground People's Democratic Party, a banned political group.

Shortly after meeting with two members in Ho Chi Minh City, he was followed by at least four men, he said. When a car pulled up in front of his wife's family home in central Vietnam in the morning hours of Aug. 14, he knew they had come for him.

They accused him of plotting a bomb attack on the U.S. Consulate in Ho Chi Minh City, an allegation dismissed by U.S. Embassy officials.

``They know very well I'm not a terrorist,'' Do said. ``They just want to destroy my group.''

During his imprisonment, interrogators pressed him to reveal e-mail addresses of the group's members. All members use pseudonyms, and most have never met one another. To ensure their safety, he said, he set up more than 100 different e-mail accounts to correspond with them.

Freedom fighter

``What they wanted was the information in my head,'' said Do, speaking from his modest tract home in San Jose. ``They didn't get anything from me.''

Do plans to continue pushing for democracy in Vietnam and the release of six members of his group, most of whom he characterized as intellectuals in Vietnam.

Do's arrest exposed a double life he had led for seven years. By day, he was an engineer at Applied Materials. By night, he was an online freedom fighter who wrote political essays under a pen name, Tran Nam, who pushed for an end to Vietnam's one-party communist system.

He and his wife had fled Vietnam by boat, arriving in the United States as political refugees in 1982. Even as he settled into the routines of family life, fathering three children and starting a bakery on the side, Do never gave up on hopes of helping reform his native country.

``I have a very nice, comfortable life here in the United States. But a part of me is always in Vietnam,'' said Do, 47. ``I've always wanted to do something for Vietnam, so the people can enjoy what I do: democracy.''

Do has been actively working to introduce democracy in Vietnam since the early 1990s, when he joined a San Jose-based group, Vietnam Restoration Party. Do joined after the group renounced violence to overthrow the Hanoi government, after communism fell without bloodshed in Eastern Europe.

Diem Ngo, one of the group's leaders and a prominent community member, knew Do for more than a decade as a fellow fighter and friend. When Do began writing under his pseudonym, Ngo traded e-mails with Tran Nam -- but never knew it was his old friend. ``I was really surprised when I learned it was him when he was arrested,'' said Ngo.

Do also kept his family in the dark, even though he routinely worked on pro-democracy efforts on his laptop in the evenings. ``My wife thought I was an Internet addict,'' Do said. ``I didn't tell them to protect them. This is very dangerous work.''

In 2002, Do said he began corresponding with political dissidents in Vietnam through e-mail. Soon after, he started the Democracy Club, devoted to informing the world about Vietnam's arrest of dissidents. That work eventually led to the formation of the underground political party.

Going public

This summer, Do and other members felt it was time to discuss going public so they could attract more members and develop the group more quickly. He joined his wife and son on their vacation to central Vietnam, arriving in mid-July. He went to Ho Chi Minh City without his family for two days and individually met with two members of the group at a cafe and at a restaurant. His meetings with them were videotaped and broadcast on Vietnamese television, Do said.

He was arrested and transferred to a prison in Ho Chi Minh City. His wife had been arrested that morning, too, as well as two members of his organization. One image he has of that morning is of his 9-year-old son, Nien, in tears.

Kept in a 10-foot-by-10-foot cell with two convicted felons, Do tried not to think of his family and what had happened to them. ``Otherwise I would go crazy,'' he said. ``I had to focus on my strategy for when they questioned me.''

Do said he was interrogated two to three times a day. His questioners tried to get him to confess to planning a bombing attack and pried for information about his group and its members.

He meditated and tried to preserve his energy, spending most of his time lying flat on his back. He had started a hunger strike the day of his arrest, drinking only water, milk, lemonade and a rice drink. Though he was weak, he never felt hungry, he said. He meditated to stay calm.

He credits the two cellmates for helping to keep him alive. They prepared his drinks, bathed him and cleaned his clothes because he was too weak. The only time he was on the verge of losing hope, he said, was during the first 18 days of his detention. He waited daily for a visit from a U.S. Consulate representative, but no one came.

``You die on a hunger strike if no one knows about it,'' Do said. ``When he came, I knew it would be OK.''When he came, I knew it would be OK.''
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