hehe Just Free like changing the opic Title since we already know about why we're the 4th populous

cuase nobody ever thought of using condoms or birth control pills OR too many poor uneducated people

but why is it so different from SEA? it started Booming when we were in the (CMIIW) 60s? I think the situation of the whole SEA was the same

Look at Indonesia's Map:



Alot of land--and alot of people. Its only natural that it will grow--

Added to that the growth rate of indonesia is quite high--so its only natural.

No contraception?

not really, Brazil,Argentina and mexico is far more bigger than Indonesia

but they have more influence from the US, which we are big time consumers on such products that reduce risk of pregnacy ..

education plays a big role in it as well. the more people realise the cost of education, the fewer kids they will want to raise.. thus growth is sustainable, yet growing..

AND .. how does indonesia teach their youth about sex?

is there any form of sex education? when was it last revised?

Densed population only taking place in Java and Bali island and they have been like that since 1950's baby booming after Independence. While Sulawesi, Kalimantan and Papua very limited population and density of these later 3 islands very low. It is not about Indonesia but it is spesific those 2 first islands contribute to Indonesia population. Indonesia have to transfer the population of Java and Bali to Papua to spread density and securing population balance in Papua for her own good.
Actually Indonesia population growth rate lower than Singapore, Philippines and Malaysia.

I googled and made some crude calculations:

"According to Kolonial verslag: Volkstelling 1930 (Colonial Report: Population Census 1930), at the time the total number of population of the Netherlands East Indies now called Indonesia, was 60,700,000 heads, ..."
--now this is already big for that time. the US was 122 millions plus that same year.

"Indonesian population ... in 1971 was 119,232,499"
--almost 120 millions. about 100% growth in 41 yrs, so the average annual growth between 1930-1971 was almost 2,5%. this is a big figure, but common to developing countries

" ... far lower than the annual population growth for 1980-1990 period, which was 1,97 percent."
--Assuming that average annual growth between 1971-1990 was 2,0 pct (I got no figures for 1971-1980) will make our population grew 40% (OMG! 48 million) from 1971 figures in 1990. We'll get a little below 170 millions.

"Data from the 1990 Population Census show that the total. population of Indonesia is 179.3 million."
--There you go. The actual average annual growth between 1971-1980 was higher than my assumption

"The average annual population growth of Indonesia during 1990-2000 period was 1.49 percent ..."
--let's say it's 1,5%, then we can add 15% from 1990 figures (if it's 180 millions, we'll get 27 millions) to get the millenium figures: almost 207 millions

"According to the 2000 Population Census, Indonesia had total population of 205,843,000 heads"
--We started it big, and there was big annual increases between 1930-1980. We managed to slow down the growth afterwards, but the number already so huge that small percentage means big actual numbers.

Comparing it to Brazil and Argentina.. the native population(and the general population) almost died out upon the arrival of the Europeans. Nor ecord of plague was recorded in SEA..

Good research Mas Joko.....
But the question is what cause Indonesia's huge population growth from 30's to late 70's?

Maybe it's because what Indonesian people believe, that have a lot of children will be have a lot of fortune
Beside, currently KB program are not implemented with incessant again.

thanks mas Maja
IMO teh anne is right: family planning was practically unknown in those years. i think only in early 70s the KB was introduced. i remember watching pengkhianatan g30s for the first time and thinking, "wow, every general has so many kids!" hehehehe..
maybe there's another reason: we're just recently merdeka and probably the good feeling still lingers

Due to better nutrition and improved healthcare, meaning less Indonesian infants died before reaching adulthood and less people died of curable diseases.

BTW I think Suharto's KB (family planning programme) is a smashing success, since the population growth rate does not increase and even continuously decrease after the fall of Suharto.

i heard indonisians hate the chinese that live in that country, is this true?

yeap, that's because Sukarno told Indonesian people to procreate and produce as much children as possible so Indonesia would be a great country. In Sukarno's megalomaniac mind, big population = great country.

This is opposite of Suharto who promoted the successful award-winning family planning programme (KB).

That time Indonesia got a prize for KB success.
I wonder why now government not implemented it again




True

Every country in SEA has big population in comparison to their size, Philippines & Vietnam - both about 80 Millions, Thailand about 65 mil., except for Msia, Laos and Cambodia.

Most countries as the country becomes prosperous, fertility rates declins. I think as Indonesia prospers, the fertility rate and hence population will decline as well.

becoz of this thought:

banyak anak banyak rezeki..

i think it's ok to have my children..but only when you think you can raise them well...
don't just like to make them..but like to treat them too...

i think education is one of the factor as well. A lot of people who not live in the city has a lot of children

FIRST ERASE YOUR CURRENT AVATAR. IT'S RUDE.
UNLESS IT'S YOUR OWN MOTHER WITH A GRAVE DIGGER AFTER
HE JUST BURIED YOUR OWN FATHER.

NOW, ABOUT YOUR QUESTION.

YOU HEARD?
THAT MEANS, YOU DON'T REALLY KNOW ABOUT INDONESIA YOURSELF, DO YOU?

I HEARD, YOUR MOTHER LIKE TO FCUK AROUND,
THAT MEANS, I DON'T REALLY KNOW MYSELF,
UNLESS I SAY I KNOW YOUR MOTHER LIKE TO FCUK AROUND.

TELL YOU, THEY ARE DOING VERY FINE NOW.

BEING A GIRL,
I MUST NOT TALK RUDE BUT I TALK RUDE TO YOU BECAUSE YOUR AVATAR IS RUDE.

your a Girl?

That shocked me too

well, to be fair, most brazilians live on the coast, so in that sense it's not that much bigger than indonesia since indonesia is all coast. however, most indonesians just live on one island. i always found the massive population of java kind of interesting.

btw argentina has a population of only around 30 million.


lol wow off topic.

The population growth rate is still quite high for such a large nation. It's also important to remember that the 2000 census undercalculated the population by at least fifteen million. The BPS eventually revised their numbers up by ten million, and even that is probably an underestimation. Java has a population density of one thousand people per square kilometer, which is extremely high. For example, Java's population will surpass Russia's in about ten years. Russia has an area of seventeen million kilometers squared, while Java has an area of one hundred and thirty thousand kilometers squared. I still think more efforts should be put into populating Sumatra, which has forty-five million people. It should some day have a population the same as Java, especially since it is four times as large as Java. I don't agree with transmigration to parts of Kalimantan, Maluku, and Papua. We've seen how disastrous that has been.

The Javanese and balinese are mainly agricultural communities right? How are the agricultural lands divided? Are they in huge tracts of land or small plots?

Here, in Kenya, people have small plots of agricultural lands rather than large tracts. So the work is back-breaking and labor intensive and rural agricultural folks tend to have lots of children as the land needs so many hands to work on.

I imagine Java and Bali are similar in terms of smaller holdings of agricultural lands?

The average farm size for a family on Java is about .45 HA, or about 1 acre. The only large-scale industrial agriculture techniques being used in Indonesia that I know of are in the palm oil industry on Sumatra and Kalimantan.

That's about the same sort of smallholdings you find here in rural Kenya. The population growth rate here is exploding despite HIV education and use of condom programmes.

One Kenyan friend tells me when you live in the village, its quite boring life you know, in the sense that after the farming work is over for the day, you sit around and just drink the communal beer (in the old days, now they drink hard liquor that comes cheap in sachets of 10 cents), get drunk, and then what else but s.e.x.?

Indonesia seriously has to start from now for migrating population from Java, Bali and Sumatra to Papua, if Indonesia want to secure position of this seperatis-like province in the future, currently this propince has less than 4 million population and there are a lot of land are empty and only jungle. Indonesia goverment can find empty location and open many towns and cities to accomodating crowded island such as Java, Bali and Sumatra. I am pretty sure in the next near future Indonesia will have new source of rice production from hardworking people from crowded place Java, Bali and Sumatra who willingly settle in Papua. Indonesia has done good job with West Irian where the population already diversified and make this propince no seperatis feeling. it is time to do the same to Papua before to late.

^^ I think we still need people to migrate to kalimantan

I think such a large population should not be an issue for indonesia. The problem is in management, whether it's land or human resources. Jave is highly populated, but there is still enough space. Consider the large gap of land usage by the population. There are people in small tin shacks, and there people living in unappropriately large mansions.

It is for political gain, if Indonesia gov can open new towns and cities from papua jungle with no inhabitant and move at least 4 millions from Java, Bali and Sumatra to these new towns, Indonesia already win either economical advantage and political advantage.
Kalimantan people is different they do not have seperatist minded like melanesian papuan against other part of Indonesia.

Large swathes of Java is under industrial cultivation of tea, sugarcane, rubber, and teak-wood.

The main difference is Java is blessed with many volcanoes which made Javanese soil very fertile, allowing high food production and thus supporting large population. Sumatera, by contrast, is covered by large marshland unsuitable for rice cultivation, hence it has lower population density than Java.

We need to export our people.
But if fluburung bacilles mutates, it isnt necessery anymore.

^ For some reason, Indonesians hardly ever immigrate abroad. In SE Asia, Indonesia perhaps has the lowest emigration rate.

Will our Population Surpass USA someday?

I don't think it's likely. We have higher percentage of natural growth and probably even higher real figure for natural growth, but I think USA will still have higher net immigration (eheheheh.. i don't know if it's the right term --i made it up ) than us for years to come. It's still the land of dreams for many

I don't think Indonesia's population will surpass the US. Indonesia has a gradually declining growth rate, while the United States' has been steady at around .9% annually. More importantly, approximately 1.1 million people move to the US legally every year, and about 1.5 million move there illegally. Thus, by 2040 the US population is projected to reach 400 million. I think Indonesia's population growth will begin to level off around 400 million, which it will reach maybe around 2075.

Indonesian population should not surpass the USA, because the total land area of Indonesia is only 1.5 times the size of Texas, the largest continental US state.

More people in Indonesia means more burden on their Government.

Putting the brake on population growth: an Indonesian success story

Among Indonesia's 13,600 islands are some of the most densely populated places on earth, so it is fortunate - but no accident - that Indonesia has one of the most successful family planning programs in the developing world, run by the National Family Planning Coordinating Board (BKKBN).

Indonesia's current population of 200 million grows annually at a rate of 1.7 per cent, compared to Australia's 19 million growing at 1.2 per cent.

Although Indonesia's density of population of 107 people per square kilometre is far greater than Australia's density of 4, the population is unevenly distributed among the islands; Java has a density of more than 800, while Maluku and Irian Jaya have a density of only 7. By comparison, the Netherlands has a population density of 456 and the United Kingdom 243.

Over the past three decades, the Indonesian government's response to population problems has been startling in its success: between 1970 and 1990, Indonesia's total fertility rate - the number of children a woman can expect to have in her child-bearing years - was halved from 5.6 to 2.8.

According to Dr Gour Dasvarma, Director of the Graduate Program in Population and Human Resources in the School of Geography, Population and Environmental Management at Flinders, much of the credit for the drastic reduction in Indonesia's fertility rests with the BKKBN, which was established in 1970.

"Since then, its programs and efforts to increase the number of contraceptive users have proved highly effective", Dr Dasvarma said.

"BKKBN is internationally recognised as one of the few successful government organisations in family planning, and Indonesia is at the forefront of a large number of developing countries attempting to reduce population growth."

More recent and ambitious BKKBN programs, like the "family welfare" program which gave financial assistance to family planning users to improve their economic well-being, have had to be given a low priority due to the region's recent financial crisis so that basic family planning and associated activities can continue without hindrance.

Dr Dasvarma's interest in the activities of BKKBN is not just a scholarly one. Between 1981 and 1992, he worked in Jakarta as an adviser to the organisation, and with Dr Ross Steele, he runs the Graduate Program in Population and Human Resources at Flinders. Flinders University's formal links with BKKBN began in 1989-90, and the first intake of BKKBN staff to the Master of Population and Human Resources course arrived in 1992. At present nine BKKBN staff are enrolled in the program.

Dr Dasvarma said the theoretical and practical understanding of issues relating to population and human resources taught at Flinders have made a substantial contribution to BKKBN's training, research and development capacity. The Masters course has four core topics and two electives.

"The core topics deal with the theories of population growth, including components like fertility, mortality, migration, ageing; methods of analysing population data, estimating demographic measures from incomplete data and making population projections; and the demographic, health and educational aspects of human resource development and labour force analysis," Dr Dasvarma said.

The elective topics enable BKKBN staff to acquire skills in managing population programs and in analysing issues on women's health and child survival.

The students also write a mini-thesis, which is based on data from a province of the their choice. It enables the student to examine in detail areas relevant to the agency, such as family welfare, family planning, fertility and maternal and child mortality.

The Graduate Program in Population and Human Resources also attracts students from countries such as Pakistan, India, Sri Lanka, Nepal, Kenya , Tanzania, China, Vietnam, Papua New Guinea, Vanuatu and the Philippines, as well as local students.

Why white people always think we have only 13.667 islands?

we have more?

Dari BBC World news.



US population reaches 300 million

It is not possible to identify an official 300-millionth American
The US population has hit 300 million people, just 39 years after it reached 200 million, according to US Census Bureau estimates.
The population reached the milestone at 0746 (1146GMT) - a timing based on calculations that factor in birth and death rates and migration.

The bureau's maths suggests that the US gains one person every 11 seconds.

That pie chart is wrong as roughly half of "hispanic" people are white. Also, Indonesia doesn't have a population of 200 million as the article said. The BPS puts Indonesia's population at 222 million, but this is widely recognized internationally as a severe underestimation. Indonesia has a population of around 240 million.

^ So, since majority of new immigrants into USA came from Latin America, it can be said that within a few decades, Latinos will outnumber Anglo-Saxon whites in USA, and Spanish will be more important than English?

Latinos might outnumber 'Anglo-Saxon' whites by 2100. It is projected by 2050 non-Latino whites will lose their majority and become 49% of the population. It will take many decades for Latinos to outnumber non-Latinos, and the US is increasingly opening its doors to immigration from China, India, and parts of the Far East. Spanish will probably never become the majority language, because even though Latinos today are 14% of the population, English is the primary (or 'home') language of 90% of the population and is spoken by 99% of Americans. Thus, Latinos are Americanized at the rate they are migrating to the US.

"Every year, the State Department announces the countries whose natives are ineligible for application. For the DV-2007 lottery, natives of the following countries are not eligible to apply: Canada, China (excluding Hong Kong, Macau, or Taiwan), Colombia, Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Haiti, India, Jamaica, Mexico, Pakistan, Philippines, Poland, Russia, South Korea, United Kingdom (except Northern Ireland) and its dependent territories, and Vietnam."

http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/alerts/lottery.htm

I'm basing my numbers on actual immigration rates. You can see the numbers here: http://www.uscis.gov/graphics/shared/stati.../data/dslpr.htm

In 2003 the US allowed in 40,000 from China. By 2007 that number was 70,000. For India it was an increase from 50,000 to 85,000. Overall Asian immigration increased from 243,000 in 2003 to 400,000 in 2005. By 2010 the United States will be allowing in over 100,000 Chinese per year.