islander
Oct 1 2006, 06:13 PM
Seems that these days The Philippines and Spain get along and are getting closer. While searching for something else found this:
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The Spanish government has informed us that they will need about 100,000 Filipino workers over the next two years
Got above quote from:
http://www.ofwguide.com/article_item.php?articleid=456 Seems Filipinos along with Latin Americans are given preference in some things in Spain. Following is a paper which deals mainly with the Filipinos.:
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:z1Z-b...lient=firefox-a
Sonofvisayas
Oct 1 2006, 06:16 PM
I didnt read the article, what kind of works they need filipino workers for?
Sirikittong
Oct 1 2006, 06:18 PM
Hm. Dont do that! These imperialists can recruit somewhere else. Have some kind of pride and deny it--why should the filipinos acquiesce and accept anything from a former imperialist parasite?
National Pride must come first. Filipinos can do without Spain.
ASEAN! Thailand-Philippines!
islander
Oct 1 2006, 07:17 PM
^The Spain of centuries ago is not the Spain of today. The majority of the Ppl. didn't have any say for centuries how there nation was ran until after 1975 when true democracy (constitutional monarchy) took control of the gov't.. The world belongs to the Philippines not just one region which in long run makes more sense. Better to have many markets instead of just one regional market. But it does seem some Filipinos doing better in Spain than in regional nations close to the Philippines.
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Filipino domestic workers in Spain seem to be satisfied with their work, as reflected in my study (Pe-Pua, 2003) and based on reports from the Philippine Embassy (POLO Madrid, 2003). The pay ranges from US$550–1,000 a month (1999 data) which is better than the pay that Filipinos domestic workers in Hong Kong and Singapore get (which range from US$125–400) (Pe-Pua, 2000). Internas also get bonuses (13th and 14th month pay), social security, vacation leaves, and days off.
@ Sonofvisayas - Its suppose to be 100000 in Spain mostly in medical industry. In Canada 400000 mostly in oil industry.
Other info.:
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On the whole relations between Spain and the Philippines is very amicable. Both governments are accepting of the presence of the other in their respective countries. Spanish immigration and labor laws provide a basically good ground for favourable working conditions for Filipinos, compared to conditions existing in some other countries of destination of OFWs
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The Philippines and Spain have entered into a Social Security Agreement in May 1988 which was enforced in 1991. Benefits are paid to recipients enrolled under both Social Security Systems (SSS)
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Another bilateral agreement protecting the rights of overseas Filipino workers is the Bilateral Tax Treaty for the Prevention of Double Taxation. For example, “taxes paid in one state shall be credited to tax against the tax payable in the other state
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Some issues are being pursued for discussion between Spain and the Philippines. The major one is the bilateral labor agreement whereby more opportunities would be open for Filipinos to come and work in Spain, not only in the area of service or domestic work, but in professional areas as well.
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Filipinos can apply for naturalization to become Spanish citizens after two years’ residency. A substantial number of Filipinos have availed of this preferential status to acquire Spanish citizenship
martin_nuke
Oct 1 2006, 09:28 PM
There are a lots of Filipino workers in Spain and Italy mostly engineers, technicians and medical professional and and the filipino population there is rapidly growing in those areas and I have read in an article that Spain is directly hiring professionals from the Philippines by the thousands.
I think Spain is the only recognized ally of the United States in the European Union that is why there are a lot of terrorist bombing activity there.
Kanlungan
Oct 1 2006, 09:53 PM
Balita ko walang tax sa nurses sa Spain kapag galing ka dito(I don't know if it applies to all). If it's true, they might attrack a lot of Pinoys who will colonize Spain through their vast numbers. Hehehehe
Torete_ako_sa_yo
Oct 1 2006, 10:42 PM
It's so cool to be Filipino.... we are a global underground unnoticed but still present. See, Spain allows people from former colonies to be permanent residents in only 2 years - this is because it's hard to prove Spanish ancestry since Spaniards basically fcuked everyone. So they say, former colonies instead of asking for evidence of direct ancestry of a Spanish citizen.
QUOTE(Sirikittong @ Oct 1 2006, 06:18 PM)
Hm. Dont do that! These imperialists can recruit somewhere else. Have some kind of pride and deny it--why should the filipinos acquiesce and accept anything from a former imperialist parasite?
National Pride must come first. Filipinos can do without Spain.
no one denies that. but without Spain - no Philippines, we'd be part of either muslim indonesia, or malaysia.
Spain may have been an imperialist murdurous rapist of a nation, but so are the british, dutch, japanese, and french. Today we've made good friends with the Japanese haven't we.
Besides 50 years ago - Spain was a sh!+hole compared to the Philippines.
Sirikittong
Oct 1 2006, 10:46 PM
I dont like how the Philippines are exporting its medical and technocratic and academic professionals to foreign countries. Let Spain handle its own medical crisis or whatsoever it may be.
The Philippines as we speak is experiencing a brain drain--the best of the best go abroad and leave the Philippine Fatherland with the left overs.
The Philippines has SO much potential to help itself first before it helps others.
Greater Philippines can be achieved without having to bend backwards to these farangs--demanding this/that.
Just my own 2 baht---from a Thai Point of view.
Torete_ako_sa_yo
Oct 1 2006, 10:59 PM
QUOTE(Sirikittong @ Oct 1 2006, 10:46 PM)
I dont like how the Philippines are exporting its medical and technocratic and academic professionals to foreign countries. Let Spain handle its own medical crisis or whatsoever it may be.
The Philippines as we speak is experiencing a brain drain--the best of the best go abroad and leave the Philippine Fatherland with the left overs.
The Philippines has SO much potential to help itself first before it helps others.
Greater Philippines can be achieved without having to bend backwards to these farangs--demanding this/that.
Just my own 2 baht---from a Thai Point of view.
Sori bro, but our professionals are being exploited by the government... We got the brains, but our politicians use them to make fatten their wallets. Labor is our best export and although it looks bad, in the long run, we have BALIKBAYANS - Filipinos that come back and do some good in the Philippines... Eventually, the years will provide us with political maturity and the government will be more efficient and this visible exploitation will cease.
j_diddy
Oct 1 2006, 11:02 PM
QUOTE(Sirikittong @ Oct 2 2006, 07:18 AM)
Hm. Dont do that! These imperialists can recruit somewhere else. Have some kind of pride and deny it--why should the filipinos acquiesce and accept anything from a former imperialist parasite?
National Pride must come first. Filipinos can do without Spain.
ASEAN! Thailand-Philippines!
let bygones be bygones
Jericho Madrigal
Oct 2 2006, 02:31 AM
QUOTE(Sirikittong @ Oct 1 2006, 08:46 PM)
I dont like how the Philippines are exporting its medical and technocratic and academic professionals to foreign countries. Let Spain handle its own medical crisis or whatsoever it may be.
The Philippines as we speak is experiencing a brain drain--the best of the best go abroad and leave the Philippine Fatherland with the left overs.
The Philippines has SO much potential to help itself first before it helps others.
Greater Philippines can be achieved without having to bend backwards to these farangs--demanding this/that.
Just my own 2 baht---from a Thai Point of view.
I appreciate your insight my friend.
But I think taking advantage of the opportunities outside of the country will be beneficial for the Philippines and Filipinos, because that way we can make room for people back home professionally, and those who decide to go overseas will help the Philippine economy with the remittances they send for their relatives education, to start a business or investments within the country. Then when the time comes that we already fixed the ills of our government and society, we wouldn't be as compelled to leave our beloved homeland, for our homeland will be the best place on earth to live in.
Also, Europe is a far better place for Filipinos to pursue their dreams than in the Middle East. Filipinos are much more respected and better treated over in Europe, especially in Spain and Italy.
VIVA LAS ISLAS FILIPINAS!
VIVA REINO DE ESPANA!
bari
Oct 2 2006, 03:45 AM
QUOTE(Sirikittong @ Oct 2 2006, 12:46 PM)
I dont like how the Philippines are exporting its medical and technocratic and academic professionals to foreign countries. Let Spain handle its own medical crisis or whatsoever it may be.
The Philippines as we speak is experiencing a brain drain--the best of the best go abroad and leave the Philippine Fatherland with the left overs.
The Philippines has SO much potential to help itself first before it helps others.
Greater Philippines can be achieved without having to bend backwards to these farangs--demanding this/that.
Just my own 2 baht---from a Thai Point of view.
You are so true bro.... but i only hope that those professionals wud come back once they fatten their wallets and work at home.... my 2 peso Peace
kristleh
Oct 2 2006, 04:03 AM
@torete_ako_sayo: maraming Pinoy ang kailangan ng trabaho at hindi maibigay ng Pilipinas yun kaya sila nagtratrabaho sa ibang bansa. pero yung iba naman nagtratrabaho o nag-mimigrate lang sa ibang bansa kasi tingin nila kahit saan basta hindi sa Pilipinas, aasenso sila.
marami akong kaklase sa French class na nag-aaral lang para pampataas ng point pag i-evaluate sila ng Canadian embassy. kung hirap na hirap sila, saan nila nakuha yung pera pang French class nila diba?
: ilan lang ba ang bumabalik sa ilang libong umaalis kada taon? yung iba babalik lang para mag-retire atbp. subukan kong maghanap ng statistics para diyan.. tsaka isa pa, kahit malaki yung remittances nila paano naman yung mga estudyanteng wala na ngang libro wala pang guro o yung mga nurses? hindi ko maramdaman yung produkto ng remittances nila pero nararamdaman ko na kulang na ng mga nurses. opinyon ko lang yan, hindi ko hinuhusgahan yung mga ibang umaalis. okie?
wala na ako sa topic. hahaha. ganito lang yan. kailangan nila tayo at kailangan din ng ibang Pinoys yung opportunities na binibigay nila... so ayos lang. Wala na tayong magagawa. Pero mukhang mas maayos yung pagtrato nila sa atin kaysa sa Middle East kaya magandang alternative ang Spain kaysa sa Qatar, Dubai, Saudi, and friends. Mas magkalapit din yung kultura natin sa Spain, pati na rin relihiyon kaya hindi na kailangan pang mag secret prayer meeting ang iba para lang hindi maparusahan. hehehe
santoloco
Oct 2 2006, 06:57 AM
i heard in spain that many are racist to non white or darker skin nationals. is this true?
ive heard many of my latin friends that visited spain. they said many were rude to them and called them brown monkeys amd other stuff i cant remmber.
Kanlungan
Oct 2 2006, 07:31 AM
^really? Hmm... there are lots of skin whiterners, anyway. LOL
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Also, Europe is a far better place for Filipinos to pursue their dreams than in the Middle East
I knew someone who spent some time in the middle east.. she went to school there but she's Filipino. she told me that Filipinos are discriminated to a certain extent. Yung sa bitay, kapag Pinoy daw, announced, kapag ibang nationalities, hindi announced...
Sonofvisayas
Oct 2 2006, 08:30 AM
Alright im convinced!! Spain here i come!! Tengo que empezar hablar espagnol ahora
fu-k French lolz
grimfan
Oct 2 2006, 10:57 AM
Spaniards face discrimination in "white" society b/c they're dark-skinned, Catholic, and have had political troubles in the recent past. That's why they are more racist than other Western Euros. Maybe they want all the Filipinos to come so they can feel better about themselves.
Kanlungan
Oct 2 2006, 11:15 AM
^I didn't get the logic there. 0_o
peanutbutterjelly
Oct 2 2006, 12:04 PM
QUOTE(grimfan @ Oct 2 2006, 08:57 AM)
Spaniards face discrimination in "white" society b/c they're dark-skinned, Catholic, and have had political troubles in the recent past. That's why they are more racist than other Western Euros. Maybe they want all the Filipinos to come so they can feel better about themselves.
your first sentence makes some sense but the rest of your statement just falls flat...
I've met and known a lot of white folks who do not consider them as part of the white race...most of them think that the Spaniards really don't have that much different than Mexicans, Hondurans and other Latinos...
Castilians are Caucasians but definitely not Aryans...it's been proven that a vast majority of them have a trace of some sub-sarahan and sephardic Jewish dna flowing in their blood due to the Moorish invasion of Spain back in 711 AD...that explains their "mediterrean" look..
and as far recruiting Filipinos, I don't think it has anything to do with making themselves feel better as far as ethnicity as concern..they feel like they could relate more to Filipinos (along with other Latinos) better than any other Asians out there because of their cultural congruity with us...
RL33
Oct 2 2006, 12:56 PM
^
I think your referring to germanic peoples then because the term Aryans is useually used for the Indo Iranian linguistic group, . The spanish are a mixture of Latin, Iberian, Greek, North African and Germanic blood.
peanutbutterjelly
Oct 2 2006, 01:12 PM
QUOTE(RL33 @ Oct 2 2006, 10:56 AM)
^
I think your referring to germanic peoples then because the term Aryans is useually used for the Indo Iranian linguistic group, . The spanish are a mixture of Latin, Iberian, Greek, North African and Germanic blood.
I'm talking about from a 20th century non-linguistic, modern-racial point of view which unfortunately had become the normal racial connotation for non-Jewish blonde group of white people, just as how much the swastika, which was originally a sacred Hindu symbol became to what is now the symbol of the Nazis...
Torete_ako_sa_yo
Oct 2 2006, 07:32 PM
we need jobs, they need workers... simple, and according to the rule of free capitalist economics, law of supply and demand. apparantly, WE are in demand.
martin_nuke
Oct 2 2006, 08:44 PM
The real Spaniards are Iberians meaning that they are a mixture of caucacian and negroid because Spain is just right beside Africa. Real Spaniards have dark skin and hair and they also some have curly dark hair.
Since the Philippines is part of the Latin Union of 37 countries, it is written in white paper that the Latin Union countries must help each other.
http://www.unilat.org/SG/index.es.asp
Kanlungan
Oct 2 2006, 10:31 PM
QUOTE(Torete_ako_sa_yo @ Oct 3 2006, 08:32 AM)
we need jobs, they need workers... simple, and according to the rule of free capitalist economics, law of supply and demand. apparantly, WE are in demand.
and they are in need of supply
Jericho Madrigal
Oct 3 2006, 01:00 AM
Spain's Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero with Filipino President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo during the ASEM summit in Helsinki, Finland on September 11, 2006.
Gloria is making funny faces.
chinitapinay
Oct 3 2006, 02:21 AM
lets keep it simple...true spaniards are whites and filipinos are g@@ks
Jericho Madrigal
Oct 3 2006, 02:30 AM
QUOTE(chinitapinay @ Oct 3 2006, 12:21 AM)
lets keep it simple...true spaniards are whites and filipinos are g@@ks
So are the Chinese. And your point is?
EyEsTrAiN
Oct 3 2006, 06:22 AM
QUOTE(martin_nuke @ Oct 2 2006, 09:44 PM)
The real Spaniards are Iberians meaning that they are a mixture of caucacian and negroid because Spain is just right beside Africa. Real Spaniards have dark skin and hair and they also some have curly dark hair.
Since the
Philippines is part of the Latin Union of 37 countries, it is written in white paper that the Latin Union countries must help each other.
http://www.unilat.org/SG/index.es.aspFilipinos back in the Philippines will be disgusted by this!
JMAC
Oct 3 2006, 06:39 AM
QUOTE(EyEsTrAiN @ Oct 3 2006, 07:22 AM)
Filipinos back in the Philippines will be disgusted by this!
how so?
I never knew about this until now...
flipcombatmedic
Oct 3 2006, 10:06 AM
what's with all the geneticists? man I stayed at the holiday inn too, but let's keep on topic.
to siri, man it sounds noble, but if you get treated alot better in Spain, fu-k history of being anally raped, when you get anally raped today at some of those countries ie Singapore.
Kanlungan
Oct 3 2006, 03:07 PM
QUOTE(Jericho Madrigal @ Oct 3 2006, 02:00 PM)
Spain's Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero with Filipino President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo during the ASEM summit in Helsinki, Finland on September 11, 2006.
Gloria is making funny faces.
She has a funny face.
redhotchili
Oct 4 2006, 08:57 AM
Most of today's Spanish people don't even know their country colonized us centuries ago, haha.
Our Tourism department is actively pursuing them and one of the Philippines' "attractions" is the European architecture brought about by Spain.
Sirikittong
Oct 4 2006, 12:54 PM
Bah!
The Great Kingdom of Sri Sunphatsee was greater when it was free from Spanish influence.
flipcombatmedic
Oct 4 2006, 01:50 PM
QUOTE(Sirikittong @ Oct 4 2006, 12:54 PM)
Bah!
The Great Kingdom of Sri Sunphatsee was greater when it was free from Spanish influence.
the Sovereign Kingdom of Mypantsandacoupleofthaigirlsia was alot better than that! Haha. Jk.
martin_nuke
Oct 4 2006, 09:09 PM
I think the Aeta kingdom in the Philippines is still the best with no politics, war, teritorial disputes, etc... In the Aeta kingdom, you just make babies, have many wives and tell your wives to catch bayawak and baboy damo when your hungry.
Reilynx
Oct 6 2006, 01:29 AM
Hmmmmmm...
I wonder what Spain intends to gain in being all nice to the Philippines all of a sudden.
Has Spain apologized for what they did in the past? If not, then I doubt their sincerity.
martin_nuke
Oct 6 2006, 04:18 AM
I think why spain suddenly became nice to the Philippines because Spain just recovered from its economic depression. Spain's economy was not that good after the colonial period and world war II.
Right now Spain is now an economic power in the European Union. Since the Philippines is still part of the Latin Union since 1985, Spain is just doing it's duty as a Latin Union member and leader.
It states in a draft agreement between UNESCO and Latin Union
The Latin Union is an international organization of countries of Latin culture founded for the purpose of promoting and strengthening co-operation in the cultural, scientific, technological and socio-economic fields, as well as to promote and preserve the Romance languages.http://unesdoc.unesco.org/images/0006/0006...%20objective%22
islander
Oct 6 2006, 01:12 PM
Here is an article. Seems Spain is helping the Philippines fight poverty:
http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/?page=r...ns04_feb27_2006Has for Spains economy:
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(July 2006) The Spanish miracle - Spain is a strange country. Very few empires self-destroyed so rapidly and went from unspeakable wealth to utter poverty. Europeans who grew up two centuries ago thought of Spain as a rich country. Europeans who grew up in the 20th century thought of Spain as one of the poorest countries in EUrope, a veritable third-world country in the middle of the first world. Spain managed to avoid both world wars (the only major European country to be spared those horrors) but, in between those wars, was torn by one of the biggest civil wars on European soil (and the biggest in Western Europe since centuries). Then suddenly, after the death of dictator Franco in 1975, Spain became a model of democracy and of economic progress. Under prime minister Jose Maria Aznar (1996-2004) Spain's economy took off, consistently beating the big European economies in terms of growth rate.
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Today's Spain is not a country of conquistadores but a country of realtors and office clerks. Their main concerns are pensions and soccer, not the reconquista or their colonies.
Spain represents how well this model can work. By focusing inwards, the country is making progress and may soon overtake Italy and Britain in GDP per capite.
Nonetheless, Spain has the largest trade deficit in the West after the USA, and the biggest real-estate bubble in the West after the USA.
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They don't seem to realize how similar their economy is to the USA economy.
Aqua
Oct 6 2006, 09:52 PM
I don't really give a Sh1t about Spain...maybe all u hispanic wannabes do.
Sonofvisayas
Oct 6 2006, 11:01 PM
QUOTE(Aqua @ Oct 6 2006, 10:52 PM)
I don't really give a Sh1t about Spain...maybe all u hispanic wannabes do.
i do, i do give a $hit about the jobs that are being offered to jobless filipinos..Dont u think u should start giving $hit about it?
wanabe hispanic pffft
Aqua
Oct 6 2006, 11:09 PM
QUOTE(Sonofvisayas @ Oct 6 2006, 11:01 PM)
i do, i do give a $hit about the jobs that are being offered to jobless filipinos..Now u still dont give a $hit?
wanabe hispanic pffft
I hope the Philippines doesn't have to keep on relying on other countries to provide jobs for jobless filipinos. ...
martin_nuke
Oct 6 2006, 11:48 PM
Spain is not only giving jobs to Filipinos it is also planning to make the Philippines an economic hub of Asia.
Spain has included the Philippines as a priority area of its economic thrusthttp://article.wn.com/view/2006/07/03/Arro...ineSpain_Trade/
Jericho Madrigal
Oct 7 2006, 02:23 AM
QUOTE(Aqua @ Oct 6 2006, 09:09 PM)
I hope the Philippines doesn't have to keep on relying on other countries to provide jobs for jobless filipinos. ...
This is merely a stepping stone for the Philippines. It's about time we start thinking like businessmen. We have something they need, so why not provide it, and strengthen our trade and political relations with them in the process. That's how all the capitalistic countries operate.
The Philippines will acquire money first. Then when the Philippines is wealthy, it'll acquire power and influence. Once we've achieved all that, then our country will be one of the major global powers around.
Kanlungan
Oct 15 2006, 11:05 PM
When will the Philippines be wealthy
RL33
Oct 15 2006, 11:16 PM
QUOTE(Kanlungan @ Oct 15 2006, 09:05 PM)
When will the Philippines be wealthy
It was...pre american Philippines was not that populated and had become one of the wealthiest countries in Asia because of the Asian trade.
Kanlungan
Oct 15 2006, 11:21 PM
^So, I guess we have to rephrase that.. when will the Philippine be wealthy again?
islander
Dec 7 2006, 07:13 PM
Found this while looking for something else. Seems Palencia Province in Spain (didn't know they had a Palencia Province) and Aurora Province Philippines (heard of Aurora Prov.) have been declared sister provinces by both nations.
Following is from the PHI. legislature:
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Senator Angara pointed out that the Fil-Hispanic
Friendship Day has reawakened the interest of
the Spaniards in reconnecting with the Philippines,
and that, in fact, Spanish businessmen and
tourists are slowly coming in. Senator Gordon
acknowledged the contribution of Senator Angara
in bringing Spanish tourists, especially the descen-
dants of the Los Ultimos to Aurora which
put the province back in the world and history
map and impacted its development. He stated that
he and Senator Angara hold the Spanish
Ambassador to the Philippines, Mr. Ignacio Sagaz,
their friend, in high esteem for his efforts on
behalf of Aurora.
Senator Angara revealed that the Spanish
government has declared the year 2006 as the
“Philippine Cultural Year” and, in connection
therewith, would be mounting several exhibitions in
Spain highlighting Fil-Spanish relations. He added
that the province of Palencia in Spain would be
having a grand celebration in commemoration of
the Fil-Spanish Friendship Day on June 30, 2006.
He stated that Palencia is the birthplace of
Msgr. Miguel de Benavides, the founder of the
University of Santo Tomas.
Senator Angara pointed out that the Philippines
has a minor toehold on the Spanish market, and the
Spanish interest in the Philippines must be
emphasized by making the latter the gateway to
Asia since Cambodia is now part of the itinerary
of most Spanish tourists. Senator Gordon said that
he would put a portion of his PDAF in the effort
to encourage the DOT’S participation in special
activities to which Spanish travel agents could be
invited. He underscored that there is a greater
desire on the Philippines’ side to reignite and
rekindle a Fil-Spanish renaissance.
Senator Angara disclosed that in the past
three years, expenses for the celebration
of the Fil-Spanish Friendship Day came from his PDAF
and not from the national government. He noted that
Casa Asia, the special cultural arm of the Spanish
government, is spearheading the celebration of the
Philippines Cultural Year. Senator Gordon expressed
appreciation for the efforts of Senator Angara for
Philippine tourism.
Read this:
http://baleria.com/?p=64 (Its not in English. There is a english translation floating around but its not that good)
This one is in english and is about the last Spaniards to leave the philippines:
http://baleria.com/?page_id=13Info.: on Palencia Prov.:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palencia_%28province%29Info. on Aurora Prov.:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurora_(province)
phichanad
Dec 7 2006, 09:25 PM
i think its not bad to be friends with Spain....Filipinos did have bad experience with them, but so we also had bad experiences with the americans and japanese, and maybe the british and dutch. Its all in the past, the future is what we need to look at.
dalawapo
Dec 7 2006, 10:23 PM
Reilynx
Dec 7 2006, 11:05 PM
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