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Gyanchan
QUOTE(SuperiorHominid @ Oct 19 2006, 07:15 PM) *

Chinese Buddhists are generally followers of Mahayana Buddhism
Mahayana Buddhism has bodhisattvas, which are god-LIKE figures.
They are pre-Buddhas who are delaying their enlightenment to help others.

Karma:
In Buddhism there is not karma controller. In Hinduism (the) god(s) control karma's fruition
Class society is different from caste. Class can change, you are not bound to it
Caste come from birth. You are born into a caste and you cannot escape it. The Caste system from Hinduism makes claims that enlightenment comes from the Brahmins and stuff like that and gives the idea that Brahmins, Ksatriyas, and Vaisyas are closer to Enlightenment

http://www.buddhanet.net/nutshell09.htm



YOu chinese people are so full of pukeface.gif

Go back to your den and smoke some more opium.

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They are pre-Buddhas who are delaying their enlightenment to help others.


Let us know when majority of chinese are buddhists and avoiding bodhisattvas. embarassedlaugh.gif

Oh, and let us know when you chinese stop eating dogs, cats, rats, insects etc. embarassedlaugh.gif
ACMILAN1983
^^ I think Superhominid is Indian, but don't worry, at the rate you're going you won't be around long enough for that to matter icon_wink.gif
Zorawar

QUOTE(SuperiorHominid @ Oct 19 2006, 07:15 PM) *

Karma:
In Buddhism there is not karma controller. In Hinduism (the) god(s) control karma's fruition
Class society is different from caste. Class can change, you are not bound to it
Caste come from birth. You are born into a caste and you cannot escape it. The Caste system from Hinduism makes claims that enlightenment comes from the Brahmins and stuff like that and gives the idea that Brahmins, Ksatriyas, and Vaisyas are closer to Enlightenment


Your really are smoking opium...but I don't know if it's the variety grown in the east or in the west (Afghanistan icon_wink.gif )

Making bombastic know-it-all statements about a civilization that even the Indian Constitution has failed to define as a religion.
SuperiorHominid
QUOTE(Zorawar @ Oct 20 2006, 12:38 PM) *

Your really are smoking opium...but I don't know if it's the variety grown in the east or in the west (Afghanistan icon_wink.gif )

Making bombastic know-it-all statements about a civilization that even the Indian Constitution has failed to define as a religion.

Under The National Commission for Minorities Act, 1992 Buddhism, Jainism, and Sikhism are minority communities

Also the Hindu Marriage Act ard specifically denoted separately from Hinduism
http://www.sudhirlaw.com/HMA55.htm
so STFU

yes karma is god-controlled in Hinduism
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While Karma has often been compared with the Western notions of sin and judgment by God, Karma instead has been commonly perceived by Westerners to operate as a law of nature without the intervention of any supernatural being. That notion is not true at all with regard to Hinduism, though it holds true for Buddhism and Jainism.

Karma in Hinduism does involve the role of God. Unlike Buddhists and Jains who believe that Karma on its own joins the soul when it reincarnates, Hindus believe in the role of God in linking Karma to an individual. In fact, Hinduism argues for the existence of an Omniscient God (Sanskrit: Ishvara) because the judgment of intelligent actions (i.e. Karma) requires intelligence on the part of the judge (i.e. God). Unintelligent nature by itself cannot judge the performance of actions of intelligent beings. Hence the intervention of an Omniscient God is required to dispense the fruits of Karma — which are rewards for good actions (in the form of pleasure) and punishments for evil actions (in the form of pain).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma_in_Hind...The_role_of_God

And no I'm not doing opium
Zorawar
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Under The National Commission for Minorities Act, 1992 Buddhism, Jainism, and Sikhism are minority communities


As per the Indian Constitution anyone who is NOT a Buddhist, Jain, Sikh, Muslim, Christian, is a Hindu....meaning that Hinduism is not a narrowly-defined organized religion.

As per the Supreme Court ruling on Hindutva....the words Hindu, Hinduism, Hindutva do not denote a religion but a civilization.

So making statements like "such and such is the practice IN HINDUISM" is a falsehood....Hindu teachings and practices keep changing and evolving with the times. There are schools of Hindu philosophy that even deny the existence of god...others that deny reincarnation or life after death...nobody ever tortured them or hounded them because of their varying opinions. Thus religious tolerance in inherent in Hinduism.

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so STFU


A very un-Hindu attitude embarassedlaugh.gif

If you can't handle differences of opinion you STFU and smoke some dope biggthumpup.gif
SuperiorHominid
QUOTE(Zorawar @ Oct 20 2006, 09:37 PM) *

As per the Indian Constitution anyone who is NOT a Buddhist, Jain, Sikh, Muslim, Christian, is a Hindu....meaning that Hinduism is not a narrowly-defined organized religion.

As per the Supreme Court ruling on Hindutva....the words Hindu, Hinduism, Hindutva do not denote a religion but a civilization.

So making statements like "such and such is the practice IN HINDUISM" is a falsehood....Hindu teachings and practices keep changing and evolving with the times. There are schools of Hindu philosophy that even deny the existence of god...others that deny reincarnation or life after death...nobody ever tortured them or hounded them because of their varying opinions. Thus religious tolerance in inherent in Hinduism.
A very un-Hindu attitude embarassedlaugh.gif

If you can't handle differences of opinion you STFU and smoke some dope biggthumpup.gif

I know somewhere in the Indian Constitution Buddhism and Jainism are separated. Every news article that I've read on Buddhist movements in India have cited that
Zorawar

Why did Jainism survive in India....when its relations with the Hindu civilization were similar to those of the Buddhists?

The main reason:

They were protected by the Rajput rulers in Rajasthan and Gujarat....the Rajputs defeated and repelled the Islamic hordes. This is why most of the medeival Jain schools, muths, and temples are located mostly in these two states.

If the Bengalis had similarly defeated the Muslim invaders, then Buddhism would have also survived in mainland India.
Kenzou
To the dumbass (Armor) who said that Muslims really stand a chance against Hindus, please, take your head out of your @$$ and smell the fresh air. Muslims have been against Hindus for a longass time and Hindus still get by just fine. Please take your violent tendencies and angst elsewhere.
Jagger
QUOTE(Armor @ Oct 18 2006, 01:44 AM) *

Hindu\'s who only preach peace and submissiveness should be excommunicated as the infidels of Hinduism. These apostates should be sent to Pakistan for the Muslim to feast on.

Once again, welcome to the world of fanaticism and extremism.

QUOTE(Zorawar @ Oct 28 2006, 05:49 PM) *

Why did Jainism survive in India....when its relations with the Hindu civilization were similar to those of the Buddhists?

The main reason:

They were protected by the Rajput rulers in Rajasthan and Gujarat....the Rajputs defeated and repelled the Islamic hordes. This is why most of the medeival Jain schools, muths, and temples are located mostly in these two states.

If the Bengalis had similarly defeated the Muslim invaders, then Buddhism would have also survived in mainland India.

Nowadays, Jainism only has about 10 million followers, which is barely any larger than the Indian Buddhist population.
SuperiorHominid
Read the Rise and Decline of Buddhism by Kanai Lal Hazra.
Buddhism lost tons of patronage in the period before the Muslims.
Though, in western India it was primarily the Muslims fault. Buddhists and Hindus thrived together

The Jains in India are more spread out
http://www.censusindiamaps.net/page/Religi...p1/housemap.htm
The Buddhists are far more concentrated


Also they only make up about 1% of Gujarat

Zorawar
That's okay, since the Rajputs also form only 4% of the population biggrin.gif
radha_chopra112
Caste An European Phenomenon
Jagger
QUOTE(radha_chopra112 @ Oct 29 2006, 10:00 PM) *

That's quite an interesting article.

The second article on that thread is also interesting:

http://www.britishempire.co.uk/article/castesystem.htm
radha_chopra112
QUOTE(Jagger @ Oct 31 2006, 08:17 AM) *

That's quite an interesting article.

The second article on that thread is also interesting:

http://www.britishempire.co.uk/article/castesystem.htm


Yes I read them all. There all very informative. Alot of Hindus just blindly follow the "caste system" instead of varnashrama dharma. Varnashrama has nothing to do with skin color. There are only four true varnas. Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaishya, Shudra. All of them are important for a society to function. All should be respected. The non-Hindu Indian caste system has thousand of caste ranking higher or lower than others. None of those have to do with true varnashrama dharma. Alot of these people who call themselves Brahmin have no right to, because they didn't earn the title. Brahmins are only people, who are guru, priest, swamis, nuns, monks, sadhus etc.... Anyone who isn't apart of a clergy shouldn't call themselves brahmins. Same with kshatriyas, if you're not a police officer, in the military, or serving your country(or community) in some way. Don't use that title. And so on for the other 2 varnas. biggrin.gif

If people followed it that way, then everyone would have atleast two or all varnas in their own family. And I doubt any discrimination would take place. icon_smile.gif

BTW I luv how atleast four people in this thread went on & on about how they hate the caste system and how wrong it is etc.... But at the end always had to add that they're a brahmin. sure.gif If you hate the caste system then stop following it. Because in all honestly, none of you are actual brahmins in varnashrama dharma. You're going by the british birthrite class system code. And that has nothing to do with Hinduism.


This is how you choose you varnashrama dharma. What is you job? What is your belief? What is your passion? How do you define yourself etc... You can choose your varna, but you have to follow the dharma that goes along with that.
ExpressYourself
QUOTE(radha_chopra112 @ Oct 31 2006, 05:35 PM) *



[b]BTW I luv how atleast four people in this thread went on & on about how they hate the caste system and how wrong it is etc.... But at the end always had to add that they're a brahmin. sure.gif If you hate the caste system then stop following it.


As long as nobody discriminates, I don't care. People are just saying what their ancestors did.

And unfortunately, since last name usually tells you what your caste is---People are very quick to label people by what caste they are. If my mom met a stripper with the last name Sharma, "Brahmin" would come to her head before the fact that this Desi girl is a stripper because Sharma is a popular Brahmin surname. It's not something that's too easy to erase. icon_sad.gif
me_me_me
oh well, I don't care if it got driven out of india......i guess that is where buddhism is started.,but buddism is still pretty popular in most eat asia...............even though alot had been change ^_^. and new buddha been added from east asia country.....i'm buddhist but it scare me that i htough most of this religions teach that people shound't kill and live in peace but somehow people are fighting oever religions............. ^_^ buddism and huddism look similar but if you learn about it there are alot of things that are different....
ACMILAN1983
QUOTE(ExpressYourself @ Oct 31 2006, 11:46 PM) *

As long as nobody discriminates, I don't care. People are just saying what their ancestors did.


Precisely, I don't particularly care about being called brahmin or calling myself it, but I only use it to describe my ancestory and background.


QUOTE(me_me_me @ Nov 1 2006, 12:08 AM) *

oh well, I don't care if it got driven out of india......i guess that is where buddhism is started.,but buddism is still pretty popular in most eat asia...............even though alot had been change ^_^. and new buddha been added from east asia country.....i'm buddhist but it scare me that i htough most of this religions teach that people shound't kill and live in peace but somehow people are fighting oever religions............. ^_^ buddism and huddism look similar but if you learn about it there are alot of things that are different....


Yes they're different yet at the same time they share similarities, and the influence of one on the other throughout history is pretty huge.

What do you mean "new buddha been added from east asia country"? confused.gif

Those who fight over religions are usually losing the point over their own religion. There are many paths to God, but they all share the same purpose.
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