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DAI_VIET
what's your solution to this problem? Vietnam is very corrupt, from the top to the bottom. what would you do if you were the leader?


*****

NO MORE anti-VC or anti-VNCH please. just your opinion.

*****

my solution is to execute anyone that's corrupt. if the people voice their opinion about this particular guy being corrupt, and the newspapers are talking about it, then it is true that he's corrupt, so it is unnecessary for any trial, just a waste of time and money.

so shoot him. and send his family (3 generations) to exile.

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AsianForum
Do exactly what the US is doing?

Makeup a term that sounds better than the term "corrupt" -- Hint: Replace the word "corrupt" with "tax".






QUOTE(DAI_VIET @ Oct 4 2006, 03:56 PM) *

what's your solution to this problem? Vietnam is very corrupt, from the top to the bottom. what would you do if you were the leader?
*****

NO MORE anti-VC or anti-VNCH please. just your opinion.

*****

my solution is to execute anyone that's corrupt. if the people voice their opinion about this particular guy being corrupt, and the newspapers are talking about it, then it is true that he's corrupt, so it is unnecessary for any trial, just a waste of time and money.

so shoot him. and send his family (3 generations) to exile.

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DAI_VIET
QUOTE(AsianForum @ Oct 4 2006, 04:09 PM) *

Do exactly what the US is doing?

Makeup a term that sounds better than the term "corrupt" -- Hint: Replace the word "corrupt" with "tax".

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LVF
boost our economy

pay more for the officers

have stricter laws

educate our students
Suijen
Transparency. If you have the mayors and officers make public their spending and their accounts, you can limit corruption.
Zeretual
QUOTE(DAI_VIET @ Oct 4 2006, 01:56 PM) *

what's your solution to this problem? Vietnam is very corrupt, from the top to the bottom. what would you do if you were the leader?
*****

NO MORE anti-VC or anti-VNCH please. just your opinion.

*****

my solution is to execute anyone that's corrupt. if the people voice their opinion about this particular guy being corrupt, and the newspapers are talking about it, then it is true that he's corrupt, so it is unnecessary for any trial, just a waste of time and money.

so shoot him. and send his family (3 generations) to exile.

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lol isnt that too extreme
LaiSteve66
Why is there so much corruption to begin with?
Zeretual
QUOTE(LaiSteve66 @ Oct 4 2006, 02:48 PM) *

Why is there so much corruption to begin with?

being poor and greed
AsianForum

Where ever there is human, there is corruption.


QUOTE(LaiSteve66 @ Oct 4 2006, 04:48 PM) *

Why is there so much corruption to begin with?

VOTAMVOTU
you cannot end corruption, there is no cure.
Nha Le
You need a figure head that the party cannot remove. This figure has never been involved in any corruption activity so he or she cannot be blackmailed. This figure head will lead the anti-corruption units. Thailand have the king while Vietnam have none.
LaiSteve66
QUOTE(AsianForum @ Oct 4 2006, 04:50 PM) *

Where ever there is human, there is corruption.


Why is there so much corruption? There are different levels of corruption from country to country. People here always talk about corruption in Vietnam. Why is there so much corruption in Vietnam that it merits such frequent discussion here? You don't see Americans talk about corruption in America the way people here talk about corruption in Vietnam. How did corruption become such a big problem in Vietnam?
LN080291
Time and patience. Maybe pay the police a bit more
1962VW
In the USA, we do not bribed our Politicians.

We "contributed" to our Politicians.
DAI_VIET
QUOTE(Zeretual @ Oct 4 2006, 04:42 PM) *

lol isnt that too extreme

i thought that would be too generous.

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SoCal
QUOTE(DAI_VIET @ Oct 4 2006, 01:56 PM) *

what's your solution to this problem? Vietnam is very corrupt, from the top to the bottom. what would you do if you were the leader?


Here are some specific solutions to corruption.

1. Install video cameras at the major airports in Vietnam and monitor the environment and airport officials.

2. The officials who supervise the department are not allowed to supervise the other departments to avoid conflict of interests.
vietlove
Corruption is everywhere, you can never eliminate it. However, we can minimize it. For Vietnam, fisrt few steps:

1. In goverment workplaces, it's the norm for both hosts and guests to have meal together after meetings, paid by government money. Stops this will save lot of money.
2. Bosses are forbidded to receive gifts from employees in any occasion such as Tet, birthday, etc. Envelopes of money often go along with these gifts.
3. And many more...
riv
Hey all! Im riv.. a newcomer.
Yes, I totally agree that corruption is everywhere but its too cynical to state that there is no cure?
If corruption was a disease, would one approach be to understand what the cause(s) are and how to effective deal with it? I forget who said "power corrupts, absolute power..?" but could this be one of the prime issues? Anyway, open discussion is the best first approach IMHO.
SofaKingAwesome
weed.

everyone needs to chill...
LaniKai
QUOTE(riv @ Oct 6 2006, 01:24 AM) *

Hey all! Im riv.. a newcomer.
Yes, I totally agree that corruption is everywhere but its too cynical to state that there is no cure?
If corruption was a disease, would one approach be to understand what the cause(s) are and how to effective deal with it? I forget who said "power corrupts, absolute power..?" but could this be one of the prime issues? Anyway, open discussion is the best first approach IMHO.

There is no cure ... too many patients , not enuf MD's
justme
we gather them up (and i mean the trọn ổ) on a purported meeting and bomb the whole thing. if that doesn't work, we ally ourselves w/ al quaeda and use terror tactics. :-D
miss_merisha
-More strict rules/ laws

-Punish people

-have more employment oppuritunity.

-better education
ducluu
Improve the economy
swatus
There is no such thing "CURE" for corruption, and America is a biggest corruption country in the world. For instance, ENRON.
imsofine
Vietnam is a one political party system. You need a TWO party system. Imagine George Bush and his Republican party run the country without the democrats.

Unless VN has a two party system, corruption is unavoidable.
TrashCleaner
QUOTE(imsofine @ Dec 11 2006, 01:05 PM) *

Vietnam is a one political party system. You need a TWO party system. Imagine George Bush and his Republican party run the country without the democrats.

Unless VN has a two party system, corruption is unavoidable.


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me_me_me
VN need more jobs!! ^_^ I think....
LaniKai
QUOTE(imsofine @ Dec 10 2006, 06:05 PM) *

Vietnam is a one political party system. You need a TWO party system. Imagine George Bush and his Republican party run the country without the democrats.

Unless VN has a two party system, corruption is unavoidable.

Note: This is the English version of an article in Vietnamese posted in this home page on November 12, 2006: Please see link: http://www.tranbinhnam.com/binhluan/Quyen_..._Tuyet_Doi.html **

The French have a saying: “Le pouvoir pourrit” and the Anglo-Saxon: “Absolute power corrupts absolutely”. This is a phenomenon reflecting human nature. In other words, no political regime, no human being, can elude this truth. If an individual or a political party holds power for too long, this is the root cause behind a corrupt society.

As a consequence, the notion of democracy has been born on the fundamental concept that the person(s) in power must seek the consent of the majority of the people through periodic elections in order to prevent the monopoly of power by an individual or political party. For ample caution, all democratic nations operate on the basis of the rule of law with a Constitution as fundamental law, in which the concept of separation of powers is enshrined: the Legislative power reserved for the Congress, the Executive power reserved for the Administration, and the Judiciary power reserved for the Courts in case of breach of the laws.

Such separation of powers provides for check and balance in order to prevent too much concentration of power in one hand. On top of this separation of powers is the freedom of expression of the people epitomized by a free press.

Europe has a democratic tradition. England, probably unintentionally, exported this democratic tradition to its former colonies of Australia, Canada and the USA. As a result, upon acquiring independence, these countries became enduring democratic nations. In particular in the case of the USA, their bitter struggle to gain independence from Great Britain in the 18th century, has taught them that the notion of democracy and freedom of speech are the most potent safeguards against absolute power.

But, in their history as the most perfect democracy on earth, even the USA did not escape the reaches of corruption by absolute power. During the 12 years since 1994 when the Republican Party was in control of Congress (except for a brief period from mid 2001 to end of 2002 when the Democratic Party controlled the Senate by one seat due to one senator leaving the Republican Party) and since 2004 when President George W Bush was re-elected for a second term, absolute power resided with the Republicans.

The September 11 terrorist attack made George W Bush into a president with an anti-terrorist mission to protect the American people. In a way this event has delivered to him a mandate with the support of more than 80% of the people. He did not have that mandate less than a year before when he was elected in a disputed election, with the presidency finally delivered to him by a decision of the Supreme Court, barring the vote recount in the state of Florida.

There is no question that President Bush had the support of both houses of Congress and the media to invade Afghanistan in order to destroy Al Qaeda when the Taliban regime refused to deliver Osama Bin Laden, Al Qaeda’s leader and mastermind of the 9/11 terrorist attack.

Also, a resolution of the United Nations Security Council authorized such an attack by the USA on Afghanistan as a defensive measure. But during the early phase of the preparation of the invasion of Afghanistan, Bush’s neo-conservative associates had already made plans for an invasion of Iraq to topple Saddam Hussein.

This plan was followed by various maneuvers, some of them dubious, by these associates to convince the international community that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, that the people of Iraq would welcome their liberators with open arms and that democracy would come to Iraq subsequent to liberation. None of this happened.

Instead the White House and Defense Secretary Rumsfeld made several errors of judgment such as disbanding the entire Iraqi army, dismissing all Baath Party officials from administrative positions, and not sending enough troops to pacify Iraq.

Such absolute power in the hands of the neo-cons has led to drastic consequences on the battlefield resulting in half a million Iraqi casualties and more than 2800 American military casualties, while democracy in this nation remains an illusion.

Meanwhile absolute power also led to erroneous and extreme internal policies. The Congress failed to listen to the people, failed to check the actions of the administration and only paid attention to their own self interests. During 2006, Congress met 60 days while the average number of days at work for Americans was 250. The Republicans pushed through their legislative agenda regardless of the opinions of the Democratic minority. This has led to the situation where an Alaskan Representative had been able to earmark $223 million to build a bridge to link Ketchikan City with an island of 50 residents!

Without the “checks” by Congress, President George W Bush governed by instinct. He spent $120 billion since 2006 to placate 40 million senior citizens and $236 billion on the Iraq war. The budget surplus on his ascension to the White House has been transformed into a $200 billion deficit after 6 years in power.

Finally on 7 November 2006 the people spoke. The Democratic Party won majority seats and control of both houses of Congress. Only one day afterwards President Bush announced he had accepted the resignation of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and appointed Robert Gates, a former CIA Director as his replacement. The President also had met with Democratic leaders such as Representative Nancy Pelosi, Senator Harry Reid who would lead the House and the Senate respectively, and expressed his willingness for cooperation in order to resolve outstanding issues on the national agenda.

What are the policies of the Democratic Party in relation to the Iraq war?

There is hope that they would not insist on immediate withdrawal of troops but a gradual one so as to avoid the bloodshed of a wide open civil war, and for the government of Iraq to be able to consolidate its power.

Allowing Iraq to split up into three smaller nations may be another option on the table. Such event had taken place earlier in the former Soviet Union, Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia and peace resulted from such event. Smaller nations may not be prone to instabilities as many would have us believe. Examples are Singapore and Hong-Kong which are prosperous and stable.

The Democratic Party should concern themselves more with the democratic movements of the world in accordance with their own tradition, especially in developing nations still reeling under dictatorial regimes, and express their support for the democratic ideal. Above all the Party should uphold an anti-terrorist policy that can assuage the concerns of Americans and of the world.

The Bush policy of “striking at terrorism overseas” to protect America is no longer valid. America may have to resort to “tit for tat” tactics: a strike at American interests or American lives will meet with forceful reprisal action by America. The USA must renounce the concept of American inviolability in order to make America safer.

On the home front, the Democrats will resort to the concept of check and balance to adjust the various policies of the government. They may need to refrain from the temptation to abuse their majority in both houses of Congress to “impeach” President Bush.

The conduct of both the Republicans (holding Executive power) and the Democrats (holding Legislative power) will position them for the presidential election in 2008. If the Democrats could assist in resolving the thorny problems of the country, especially the problem of Iraq as the wishes of the people expressed in the 7 November 2006 election, they may win the White House. On the other hand, if they are unable to resolve them but concentrate on their self interests, they will lose. This would be a good opportunity for Senator John McCain.

Political events in America in the last 12 years are a good lesson for world leaders, especially those in totalitarian regimes.

During the 12 years of absolute power, the Republican Party has created an extremist president and a corrupt Congress, sowing division within the people, undermining the international reputation and prestige of the most powerful nation on earth. This has happened in a country with a democratic tradition, with democratic institutions, and with freedom of expression. This is enough food for thought.

The Vietnamese leaders should compare what happened to absolute power in the USA, with the situation in Vietnam where the people have to endure the absolute power of the Communist Party of Vietnam (CPV) for 31 years since 1975. A nation with only a superficial veneer, while corruption devours its culture, society, education and moral fabric. Worst of all, a nation which pretends to participate in the international anti-terrorist movement, but resorts to terrorist measures such as stripping naked a religious leader, threatening dissidents with planting heroin in their homes to arrest them, causing traffic accidents, using underworld elements to assault dissidents…

The CPV always speak of wisdom and patriotism. Why not resort to wisdom to select the right path, and resort to patriotism to spur right action. A referendum to ask the 60 million voters (over 18) whether they consent to Article 4 of the Constitution, granting absolute power to 3 million members of the CPV, would be a first step in the right direction.



binhnam@sbcglobal.net

www.tranbinhnam.com


http://www.tranbinhnam.com/binhluan/Absolu...absolutely.html
TrashCleaner
can this topic be moved into serious chat section?
in fact, any topic lanikai posted in should be moved in there?

thanks,
Suijen
Just have more transparency and make budget statements freely available to the public.
LaniKai
QUOTE(Suijen @ Dec 11 2006, 01:32 AM) *

Just have more transparency and make budget statements freely available to the public.

Vietnam have not followed China 's lead on this , not just yet ! biggthumpup.gif
ntn1987
Nationalism is the cure, but barely anyone give a sh*t about their Fatherland.......................
LN080291
QUOTE(ntn1987 @ Dec 23 2006, 06:25 AM) *

Nationalism is the cure, but barely anyone give a sh*t about their Fatherland.......................

I do...Viet Kieu everywhere are thinking of going back to Vietnam. I am.
Dim Sum

A decent/ fair salary...... Anyone working for about US$100 per month is not going to be satisfied. So in order to supplement this, there is a reliance on 'extra' sources of income... It's evident everywhere: police, gov officials, customs, teachers... etc...
The problem now is, that the system is so in grained that people regard paying money on the side as normal... That's a real big problem here.
RockHeart
Its calling a "Dictator" because he/she cant doing anything to making a better country at all. So!!! I suggest "To Hang"...As we can see a happening in Iraq last week.
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QUOTE(DAI_VIET @ Oct 4 2006, 03:56 PM) *

what's your solution to this problem? Vietnam is very corrupt, from the top to the bottom. what would you do if you were the leader?
*****

NO MORE anti-VC or anti-VNCH please. just your opinion.

*****

my solution is to execute anyone that's corrupt. if the people voice their opinion about this particular guy being corrupt, and the newspapers are talking about it, then it is true that he's corrupt, so it is unnecessary for any trial, just a waste of time and money.

so shoot him. and send his family (3 generations) to exile.

beerchug.gif

ntn1987
Name and shame (worldwidely)??
f20btran
Set a good exmaple from the top for other to view, as it filters down to be currpted by only bottom then cycles back into into the top in a good way,
LastLegend
hang them all hahahhaa
Happy Asian
Cure for corruption: Endless moaning laugh.gif

"bla bla bla evil VC propaganda dogs/pigs" laugh.gif

"fu-king evil corrupt VC bla bla bla VNCH was never corrupt" laugh.gif

"bla bla evil VC bla bla 30 thang tu bla bla bla" laugh.gif laugh.gif

"fu-king evil Ho Chi Minh dog/pig" laugh.gif

"I love Nguyen Van Thieu" laugh.gif
tangawizi
I am not joking, but maybe you could hire Lee Kuan Yew (who's visiting Vietnam now as we speak) to be your Prime Minister and clean up the country? biggrin.gif
SoCal
QUOTE(tangawizi @ Jan 15 2007, 09:46 AM) *

I am not joking, but maybe you could hire Lee Kuan Yew (who's visiting Vietnam now as we speak) to be your Prime Minister and clean up the country? biggrin.gif


That's one of the purposes of Mr. Lee's visit to Vietnam.
soro_i
QUOTE(tangawizi @ Jan 15 2007, 12:46 PM) *

I am not joking, but maybe you could hire Lee Kuan Yew (who's visiting Vietnam now as we speak) to be your Prime Minister and clean up the country? biggrin.gif


I have a better idea(s)

Let's compress Vietnam to the size of Dist 1 in HCMC and impose a transparent democratic law.

1). If anyone caught spitting on the sidewalk... 100 lashes on the butt democraticly administered... (Only 5 slaps on the hand if you're happen to be a Yank).

2). Impose stiff fine and punishment to anyone who doesn't look agreeable.

3). Try to maintain Chinese majority in Vietnam.

4). Stab all your neighboring countries in the back.

5). Absolute obedience to "The Father, The Son and The Holy Goh".

6). ...
LaniKai
QUOTE(soro_i @ Jan 15 2007, 12:52 PM) *
I have a better idea(s)

Let's compress Vietnam to the size of Dist 1 in HCMC and impose a transparent democratic law.

1). If anyone caught spitting on the sidewalk... 100 lashes on the butt democraticly administered... (Only 5 slaps on the hand if you're happen to be a Yank).

2). Impose stiff fine and punishment to anyone who doesn't look agreeable.

3). Try to maintain Chinese majority in Vietnam.

4). Stab all your neighboring countries in the back.

5). Absolute obedience to "The Father, The Son and The Holy Goh".

6). ...


...Fly VietNam " Red Flag, Gold Star " national flag at all public restrooms nationwide
thumbsUp
Scare the corrupted into thinking that they're going to be next to get caught by creating an illusion.
That should reduce the numbers because they'll think it's not worth the gamble. The ones who get caught..
find ways to humiliate them and broadcast it everywhere and give severe punishment.
Also, become a richer nation.
unattractiveguy
A Capitalism world.
GenomVirues
We all hate corruption unless we're the ones that are benefit from it, that's one of the reason why it always exist. As long as somebody its gaining from it then it will replicate. Its kind of like herpes, there's no cure but only temporary relieve...

so good luck mafawkers....
Vovinam
Sex.
LaniKai
QUOTE(LaniKai @ Oct 11 2007, 08:04 PM) *
...Fly VietNam " Red Flag, Gold Star " national flag at all public restrooms nationwide

And also hang Ho's portrait at all public restrooms from North to South .
unattractiveguy
Oh, wait! i meant to say porno and not capitalism!
qwe123
corruption lie within the culture of the Vietnamese people.
the Viet in Yankland are corrupted too, they cheated the tax system, exploited the welfare system, etc
what the hell does it make them?
theyre just as corrupted as the vc.
if you wanna get rid of corruption, you have to start from the culture.
change the culture, you change the people.
change the people, you change the economy.
change the economy, you change the politic,
change the politic, you change the nation.
youc an come up with all sort of crazy laws as long as people dont give a $hit about it, it useless!
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