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watersky1987
simple economics, like for all things supply and demand is also the root of corruption. Either decrease the demand or increase the supply.
justme
revival of the guillotine and/or tarring and feathering..
Happy Asian
QUOTE(qwe123 @ Oct 16 2007, 09:24 AM) *
corruption lie within the culture of the Vietnamese people.
the Viet in Yankland are corrupted too, they cheated the tax system, exploited the welfare system, etc
what the hell does it make them?
theyre just as corrupted as the vc.
if you wanna get rid of corruption, you have to start from the culture.
change the culture, you change the people.
change the people, you change the economy.
change the economy, you change the politic,
change the politic, you change the nation.
youc an come up with all sort of crazy laws as long as people dont give a $hit about it, it useless!

fu-k you evil VC corrupt dog/pig/rat/monkey!! laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
Viets in America belong to the VNCH super-race, they are incorruptable by nature. laugh.gif laugh.gif Only you VC's are corrupt bla bla bla April 30, 1975. VNCH leaders were never corrupt, bla bla bla they were fair and just towards the people of VietNam. Freedom for VietNam bla bla bla laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif You are the result of evil VC propaganda bla bla bla laugh.gif laugh.gif VNCH regime never used propaganda like evil corrupt dog/pig/rat/monkey VC's!! bla bla bla
4FingazUp
I think the most effective way to remedy corruption is from the top down. Start by de-emphasizing a one-party authoritarian rule. Throw in some political competition to help keep officials and politicans on their toes and more honest.

Emplement checks, balances and accountabilty by having anyone that holds a public positon answer to someone else or another party. This won't "cure" corruption (as we see in the US with Bush and his policies) but it will stem if from further damage and remedy the symptoms (as we see in the US with Bush having to answer to congress and plead for funds to continue any of his policies)

Then set the consequnces for being corrupt to be imposed by a third party.
Handing anyone total authority and unchecked power is a recipe for corruption. Its Human.
Wadser
well one way that hasnt been given is to first improve the power of the judicial branch and lessen the communist party's power over it. then have an anti-corruption unit that operates independent of the party but still under the jurisdiction of the judicial branch. that way no govt. official or company w govt. connections can avoid being prosecuted
mynuong
QUOTE(qwe123 @ Oct 15 2007, 06:24 PM) *
corruption lie within the culture of the Vietnamese people.
the Viet in Yankland are corrupted too, they cheated the tax system, exploited the welfare system, etc
what the hell does it make them?
theyre just as corrupted as the vc.
if you wanna get rid of corruption, you have to start from the culture.
change the culture, you change the people.
change the people, you change the economy.
change the economy, you change the politic,
change the politic, you change the nation.
youc an come up with all sort of crazy laws as long as people dont give a $hit about it, it useless!

Almost all newly immigrants do that, it's not exclusive to the Vietnamese culture

QUOTE(4FingazUp @ Oct 25 2007, 03:31 PM) *
I think the most effective way to remedy corruption is from the top down. Start by de-emphasizing a one-party authoritarian rule. Throw in some political competition to help keep officials and politicans on their toes and more honest.

Emplement checks, balances and accountabilty by having anyone that holds a public positon answer to someone else or another party. This won't "cure" corruption (as we see in the US with Bush and his policies) but it will stem if from further damage and remedy the symptoms (as we see in the US with Bush having to answer to congress and plead for funds to continue any of his policies)

Then set the consequnces for being corrupt to be imposed by a third party.
Handing anyone total authority and unchecked power is a recipe for corruption. Its Human.

I agree somewhat.

If officials have less power, nobody is going to spent several millions dollars to bribe for something that can be done for less!! Now we just need to work toward less and less and less government beerchug.gif
GenomVirues
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Now we just need to work toward less and less and less government beerchug.gif


Negative! I'm not doing it!


I prefer wise men/women in the government to make decisions, thank you very much. The majority of the people are too stupid to govern themselves. They always make choices base on emotions rather than using their fu-king brains(this is a factual statement). People should be govern but by good leaders that give them liberty, justice, security , and the freedom of conscience..etc..

Less government will leads to anarchy, back to the animal world; every man for himself, life will be short. That's why civilization exists in the first place, giving up some of our freedom for security and protection for the benefit of all people within a society.

Less government , no more social programs for the downtrodden and the unfortunates. The ever widening gap between the rich and the poor will cause hatred, crime, and violent will arose.

I prefer anarchy though coz I'm strong...since I'm a perfect human being and all... but for the sake of you weaklings I suggest you go with my suggestion.


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beerchug.gif

My beer, b!tch. None for you.
mynuong
QUOTE(GenomVirues @ Feb 19 2008, 01:48 PM) *
Negative! I'm not doing it!
I prefer wise men/women in the government to make decisions, thank you very much. The majority of the people are too stupid to govern themselves. They always make choices base on emotions rather than using their fu-king brains(this is a factual statement). People should be govern but by good leaders that give them liberty, justice, security , and the freedom of conscience..etc..

Less government will leads to anarchy, back to the animal world; every man for himself, life will be short. That's why civilization exists in the first place, giving up some of our freedom for security and protection for the benefit of all people within a society.

Less government , no more social programs for the downtrodden and the unfortunates. The ever widening gap between the rich and the poor will cause hatred, crime, and violent will arose.

I prefer anarchy though coz I'm strong...since I'm a perfect human being and all... but for the sake of you weaklings I suggest you go with my suggestion.

My beer, b!tch. None for you.

How do you put "wise" people in office? Are the "civil servants" actually wise and selfless? You can be smart and all, but if you only care about yourself then it doesn't help the "stupid" people who can't take care of themselves.

You do realize that since the creation of social programs, the gap between the rich and the poor grow, right? War against poverty is a perpetual war. You can fight, but you can't win, and in the process, you lose a lot. The politicians can't solve it no matter how hard they seems to try.

*shoots* nobody takes my beer! (and I don't drink too! lols)
GenomVirues
QUOTE(mynuong @ Feb 19 2008, 09:41 PM) *
How do you put "wise" people in office? Are the "civil servants" actually wise and selfless? You can be smart and all, but if you only care about yourself then it doesn't help the "stupid" people who can't take care of themselves.


To seek out these talented people you can measure the size of their testicles(the ones with the biggest balls should rule over the majority) or from academic achievements ,etc.. To prevent them from being corrupted there's check and balance. Look at the U.S's constitution, the laws are well written. This country has survived 200 years from many idiots, that's a testimony to its success. The U.S is no democracy, the people don't have any power to change the consitution. All laws goes against the U.S constitution will face Judicial review. The U.S is a land govern by laws not the people or the majority as some of you may think.


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You do realize that since the creation of social programs, the gap between the rich and the poor grow, right? War against poverty is a perpetual war. You can fight, but you can't win, and in the process, you lose a lot. The politicians can't solve it no matter how hard they seems to try.


No government interference will widening the gap between he rich and the poor.. Here's why, all the elites; engineers, doctor, layers, etc.. will get a huge piece of the economic pie. True democracy, like communism, they only sound good in theory and doesn't work. If you graduate from school using the tax payer's money then you shouldn't be complaining about government's interference. Social programs give everybody a fair chance to start in life. I'm talking about social programs that help people help themselves. No free hand outs of course, people will get lazy and refuse to be productive, but you don't want them to die of starvation either. heh heh...





QuocAi
There's no cure for corruption. Corruption is inherent in human nature.

Corruption is everywhere. In some countries, they sanitized it by creating a process and naming it a friendly name or just plain ignoring it tradition.
asean.asia
How to get rid of corruption?

Get rid of the word corruption, so there is no corruption word.
If there is no corruption word, then there is no corruption.

Even Einstein couldn't figure that out. kiss.gif
mynuong
QUOTE(GenomVirues @ Feb 20 2008, 12:22 AM) *
To seek out these talented people you can measure the size of their testicles(the ones with the biggest balls should rule over the majority) or from academic achievements ,etc.. To prevent them from being corrupted there's check and balance. Look at the U.S's constitution, the laws are well written. This country has survived 200 years from many idiots, that's a testimony to its success. The U.S is no democracy, the people don't have any power to change the consitution. All laws goes against the U.S constitution will face Judicial review. The U.S is a land govern by laws not the people or the majority as some of you may think.


Are plastic surgeons lobbying for this? They make enough money from Hollywood. =/

And if it's decided on academic achievements then that is laughable. Bill Gates and Steve Jobs are dropouts, and look how far they've came. Your intelligence does not decide whether you should run a country or not. Tyrants are the evil intelligent persons. They exist.

And if you think USA is ruled by the constitution, then you're not updated with what's happening in your country. It doesn't matter if you agree with the Patriot Act or not, it violates other amendments. How about "free speech zones"? Does it not violating the first amendment?

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No government interference will widening the gap between he rich and the poor.. Here's why, all the elites; engineers, doctor, layers, etc.. will get a huge piece of the economic pie. True democracy, like communism, they only sound good in theory and doesn't work. If you graduate from school using the tax payer's money then you shouldn't be complaining about government's interference. Social programs give everybody a fair chance to start in life. I'm talking about social programs that help people help themselves. No free hand outs of course, people will get lazy and refuse to be productive, but you don't want them to die of starvation either. heh heh...

I think democracy and communism are just as bad in theory as in practice.

What do you think of people who didn't graduate from a school funded by taxpayers? For example: Hillsdale College. Why are they not be exempted from all these "interference"?

What programs give you a fair chance to start in life without giving free hand outs?

If you think the governments can solve this problem then you're mistaken. The government does not care about the little people regardless of what they claimed. Please watch these two videos from the former US comptroller general. He retired a week ago or something? because no one listened.

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIgrxpp97OQ
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXr_Ga_n0pY

At the rate the that the government is expanding, the people who put money into Social Security will not get them when they retired. Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid are the first to go when the government runs out of money not Defense or Administration costs.

QUOTE(asean.asia @ Feb 21 2008, 07:19 PM) *
How to get rid of corruption?

Get rid of the word corruption, so there is no corruption word.
If there is no corruption word, then there is no corruption.

Even Einstein couldn't figure that out. kiss.gif

I suggest we get rid of asean.asia, so you won't exist! I'm such a genius!! biggrin.gif
GenomVirues
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Are plastic surgeons lobbying for this? They make enough money from Hollywood. =/


No surgeon is skilled enough to enlarge someone's balls and go unnotice. Like fake breast, you can tell and "feel" the difference. You don't know anything about balls, do you not have balls of your own to study? I'm suspecting that you're either a fat dude who has not seen his balls since child hood or a female virgin. Another possibility is a transsexual who successfully went through the operation at a young age and couldn't remember anything about his testicle.


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And if it's decided on academic achievements then that is laughable. Bill Gates and Steve Jobs are dropouts, and look how far they've came.


Windowns and Macs are $hitty. Bill gate's a b!tch, I'm tired of his $hitty Window operating system. Mac sucks @$$ with a bunch of dumbass fan base. Sure, they made lots of money. Who the hell want a bunch of computer programmers and rich people to run a country? I'm talking about academic achievement not money or how much profits they made you gold digger.

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Your intelligence does not decide whether you should run a country or not. Tyrants are the evil intelligent persons. They exist


check and balance, my nigga.


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And if you think USA is ruled by the constitution, then you're not updated with what's happening in your country. It doesn't matter if you agree with the Patriot Act or not, it violates other amendments. How about "free speech zones"? Does it not violating the first amendment?


The U.S is ruled by the constitution. Yes, the patriot act violate some rights coz all the branches in the U.S government were being a bunch of scary pussies so they passed laws that give up some freedom in exchange for protection against "terrorist". The process of creating new law is the U.S of A is very inefficiently and painful but somehow the law passed. I guess coz everybody was scare after 9/11.

Since I have nothing to hide, I support the Patriot act. Hope the FBI monitor them chinese mawfaker more coz they be stealing secrets and $hit yo.

Freedom of speech must be limited in time of war and emergency crisis. It makes perfect sense to me, I don't want no loud mouth traitors spilling all the secrets that could harm the interest of a country.



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What do you think of people who didn't graduate from a school funded by taxpayers? For example: Hillsdale College. Why are they not be exempted from all these "interference"?


If they didn't graduate then tough $hit. However, be fair and give them a chance to fail! They'll pay back through the tax dollars anyways so stop being a b!tch and give people a chance.

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What programs give you a fair chance to start in life without giving free hand outs?


No such thing as a freehand out, there's no such thing as a free lunch. It has to come from somewhere, in this case, the tax payers.

If I pick one, I would say some kind of career training or school. They use the tax payers money to get a start on life then later they have to pay back through taxes.

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If you think the governments can solve this problem then you're mistaken. The government does not care about the little people regardless of what they claimed. Please watch these two videos from the former US comptroller general. He retired a week ago or something? because no one listened.

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIgrxpp97OQ
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXr_Ga_n0pY




I only watch porn. If it's not porn then I'm not interesting.

I agree, some people in the government don't care about the common people. Some do and some don't...

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At the rate the that the government is expanding, the people who put money into Social Security will not get them when they retired. Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid are the first to go when the government runs out of money not Defense or Administration costs.


ya the U.S social security is skewed. However, I'm not convince that government are controlled by bad people all the time.
mynuong
QUOTE(GenomVirues @ Feb 24 2008, 01:07 PM) *
No surgeon is skilled enough to enlarge someone's balls and go unnotice. Like fake breast, you can tell and "feel" the difference. You don't know anything about balls, do you not have balls of your own to study? I'm suspecting that you're either a fat dude who has not seen his balls since child hood or a female virgin. Another possibility is a transsexual who successfully went through the operation at a young age and couldn't remember anything about his testicle.

Does insulting me cure you of your insecurities?
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Windowns and Macs are $hitty. Bill gate's a b!tch, I'm tired of his $hitty Window operating system. Mac sucks @$$ with a bunch of dumbass fan base. Sure, they made lots of money. Who the hell want a bunch of computer programmers and rich people to run a country? I'm talking about academic achievement not money or how much profits they made you gold digger.
check and balance, my nigga.

"Academic achievement" in what area? Physics?
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The U.S is ruled by the constitution. Yes, the patriot act violate some rights coz all the branches in the U.S government were being a bunch of scary pussies so they passed laws that give up some freedom in exchange for protection against "terrorist". The process of creating new law is the U.S of A is very inefficiently and painful but somehow the law passed. I guess coz everybody was scare after 9/11.

Since I have nothing to hide, I support the Patriot act. Hope the FBI monitor them chinese mawfaker more coz they be stealing secrets and $hit yo.

Freedom of speech must be limited in time of war and emergency crisis. It makes perfect sense to me, I don't want no loud mouth traitors spilling all the secrets that could harm the interest of a country.

It does not matter what your opinions are. If a law that violates the constitution get enforced, then the constitution DOES NOT matter.
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If they didn't graduate then tough $hit. However, be fair and give them a chance to fail! They'll pay back through the tax dollars anyways so stop being a b!tch and give people a chance.

Hillsdale College is a college that does not take government money. icon_rolleyes.gif
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No such thing as a freehand out, there's no such thing as a free lunch. It has to come from somewhere, in this case, the tax payers.

If I pick one, I would say some kind of career training or school. They use the tax payers money to get a start on life then later they have to pay back through taxes.

Of course, it takes one program to justify the rest. But really the taxpayers don't matter since they're not poor enough to justify using force, right. icon_rolleyes.gif
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I only watch porn. If it's not porn then I'm not interesting.

suits yourself.
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I agree, some people in the government don't care about the common people. Some do and some don't...
ya the U.S social security is skewed. However, I'm not convince that government are controlled by bad people all the time.

You're not convinced because you weren't looking.
GenomVirues
QUOTE(mynuong @ Feb 26 2008, 09:10 PM) *
Does insulting me cure you of your insecurities?

insecure about wut? first you try to play political science teacher and now you're a psychologist?

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"Academic achievement" in what area? Physics?


I don't know, all fields, I guess.....Economic, military, political science, chemist, etc... all the components to make a nation powerful.

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It does not matter what your opinions are. If a law that violates the constitution get enforced, then the constitution DOES NOT matter.


The consitution is the supreme law of the land, hommie. I don't know what chu' talking bout. The patriot act is over exaggerated, calm the funk down, dawg.

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Hillsdale College is a college that does not take government money. icon_rolleyes.gif


shows how much i care for that crappy college I didn't even bother to search around laugh.gif

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Of course, it takes one program to justify the rest. But really the taxpayers don't matter since they're not poor enough to justify using force, right. icon_rolleyes.gif

que? Not in states hommie, the constitution was wrote in a way that will force conservative, liberal, and radical to sit down and talk to settle issues without having to kill each others. It's too damn stable, so don't chu worry now!

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suits yourself.


well do!
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You're not convinced because you weren't looking.


I told you, I only watch porn. If you can edit and insert the audio into a porno flick then I'll be gladly to waste 30 mins of my time. I prefer to spend my time watching porn or regularly doing nothing.
mynuong
QUOTE(GenomVirues @ Feb 28 2008, 10:20 PM) *
insecure about wut? first you try to play political science teacher and now you're a psychologist?
No, actually I was trying to make a joke, but I guess our sense of humour are not the same. Insecure about the way you look, why else would you say that I was fat?

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I don't know, all fields, I guess.....Economic, military, political science, chemist, etc... all the components to make a nation powerful.

You don't know the answer, yet you propose it as some of requirement..
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The consitution is the supreme law of the land, hommie. I don't know what chu' talking bout. The patriot act is over exaggerated, calm the funk down, dawg.

It is not the supreme law of the land if it can be violated. And I'm not exaggerating. If the Patriot Act violates the constitution then either the constitution has no power or that it's just a guide and not law.
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shows how much i care for that crappy college I didn't even bother to search around laugh.gif

Well, now that I've informed you, do you not know what to do about them?
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que? Not in states hommie, the constitution was wrote in a way that will force conservative, liberal, and radical to sit down and talk to settle issues without having to kill each others. It's too damn stable, so don't chu worry now!
well do!
O_o
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I told you, I only watch porn. If you can edit and insert the audio into a porno flick then I'll be gladly to waste 30 mins of my time. I prefer to spend my time watching porn or regularly doing nothing.

Well, as I said you're not convinced because you'd rather watch porn than to research about it.

Whatever.
GenomVirues
QUOTE(mynuong @ Feb 29 2008, 07:06 PM) *
No, actually I was trying to make a joke, but I guess our sense of humour are not the same. Insecure about the way you look, why else would you say that I was fat?


Why?coz fat people can't see their balls, and you don't know anything about balls. Since you're offended, you must be fat.


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You don't know the answer, yet you propose it as some of requirement..


i already gave you the answer, whatchu b!tching about know?

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It is not the supreme law of the land if it can be violated. And I'm not exaggerating. If the Patriot Act violates the constitution then either the constitution has no power or that it's just a guide and not law.


The event of 9/11 was shocking, American never has been attacked on it's soil before (except pearl harbor) so niggahs be scared and $hit so they pass a law to exchange freedom over security. It's a one time thing! aight!?

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Well, now that I've informed you, do you not know what to do about them?
O_o


if they have money to spend on college then happy spending, but others are not fortunate as those people and need the government's help.

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Well, as I said you're not convinced because you'd rather watch porn than to research about it.


porn is exciting! your videos are boring. nuff said.

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Whatever.


quite fatty!
mynuong
QUOTE(GenomVirues @ Feb 29 2008, 07:45 PM) *
Why?coz fat people can't see their balls, and you don't know anything about balls. Since you're offended, you must be fat.
No. I would be offended if you were my friend.
i already gave you the answer, whatchu b!tching about know?
The event of 9/11 was shocking, American never has been attacked on it's soil before (except pearl harbor) so niggahs be scared and $hit so they pass a law to exchange freedom over security. It's a one time thing! aight!?
if they have money to spend on college then happy spending, but others are not fortunate as those people and need the government's help.
porn is exciting! your videos are boring. nuff said.
quite fatty!

The only people who could offend me are the people I care about.

You also have the Military Commissions Act, too.

BLAH BLAH BLAH

Let's stop. I don't think it's going anywhere. =)
GenomVirues
QUOTE(mynuong @ Feb 29 2008, 08:27 PM) *
The only people who could offend me are the people I care about.


bull$hit, so you're saying if a stranger, who you don't give a $hit about, pimped slapped you and you don't get offended?

Stop lying nigguh! That's what women do, which leads me to I think you're a fat woman.


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You also have the Military Commissions Act, too.


BLAH BLAH BLAH

yes blah blah blahhhhh


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Let's stop. I don't think it's going anywhere. =)


Not with that fatass of yours.

mynuong
QUOTE(GenomVirues @ Feb 29 2008, 08:55 PM) *
bull$hit, so you're saying if a stranger, who you don't give a $hit about, pimped slapped you and you don't get offended?

Stop lying nigguh! That's what women do, which leads me to I think you're a fat woman.
yes blah blah blahhhhh
Not with that fatass of yours.

I would either hit them back or seek legal advices, whatever is more appropriate.

As I say, this is going nowhere since no issue is being discussed, so I won't respond to you in this thread.
unattractiveguy
Free porno!
GenomVirues
QUOTE(mynuong @ Feb 29 2008, 09:01 PM) *
I would either hit them back or seek legal advices, whatever is more appropriate.


I didn't ask you "what would you do", I asked you if you are going to get offended. Which changing the subject nigguh.

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As I say, this is going nowhere since no issue is being discussed, so I won't respond to you in this thread.

same here, All those time typing could've been use to do other unproductive things like, watching porn, play videogames, and maybe homwork.

peace out niggah

RockHeart
Hey Dai Viet...You're just a Dog$hit becuz you born from female Dog... thumbsdown.gif
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