Hello all Indonesian!!!

The majority of the people have been said that the most Indonesian are superracist Nation in the world. They never welcomed and gladed to see another nation come in asking some stuffs or share some ideas. I personally don't care much about that situation...Thats why i am here just want to hearing from all your consensus. Is it true the statement as above???

Please comments on that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




RockHeart,

don't characterize a country by its individual members!

booo!

You can be racist regardless of your nationality.

Actually, most Indonesians are okay with foreigners...EXCEPT for the extremists. There are lots of Indonesians who believe that 'Indonesia should be an Islamic country', etc.

But most of them are uneducated, and are thus quite dumb, sorry to say.

I don't know anywherelse but in France, people seem to have a positive vision to indonesian and think that the indonesian people has in general a great sense of hospitality and welcome, it even has become one of the main attractiveness for people who visit indonesia : the legendary kindness of the indonesians, the permanent smile on their face... I don't invent it !!
So you guy don't have the right to say that indonesia is the most racist nation in the world. No nation is.

hey Garuda are you balinese? can u tell me more about the architecture of the balinese buildings and the traditional dress, i seen that women's dress often in pictures! i'd like to learn more about the basic attire! tyy

Garuda I like those little children in your signature. Garuda is such nice nick. In cambodian is Krood.

The little girl in Pink sarong look very much like my cousin's daughter. Nice looking children.

From what I know when I was in Bali 1998 for holiday
Indonesians only racist to Chinese
but they worship white people
In 1998 a lot of CHinese were killed and raped Their homes burnt and invaded
That is all I know

HELLO NUSANTARA!

i am intrigue by your screename Nusantara, can you tell me what it means? i have come across this word while studying about the Malagasy ppl of Madagascar island (which is an island off africa)...

i will link u to the website, they claim their ancestors are ancient indonesian who sail to their island 2,500+ years ago from Borneo and today share a close language with the Ma'anyan in south Borneo (Kalimantan, Indonesia)

MADAGASCAR and the FUTURE of the NUSANTARIAN WORLD

http://www.lemurdolls.com/manusa.htm

nice article, seems to give to much credit to malay stuff, such as:

"Moreover, it remind us that for 4,000 to 5,000 years, untill around the 10th century, the nusantarian peoples were the greatest navigators of the world"

btw, i am malay myself from riau archipelago

cool is riau archipelago truly the island where Bahasa Malaysia/Bahasa Indonesia derive?

wow indonesia/malaysia havs a very complex history! how do u manage to get it all straight?!

yea man, my dad told me that when malaysia just got their independence indonesia was like the big brother. and now we are the small brother!
though we are still brothers! if it wasnt the dutch and english maybe we would become one country.

i skim through that sumarian-austronesian site...

hmm, do u know anything about thnis boook which is one of the reference materials?

The Naga Race, Calcutta, 1994.

who is the naga race?

Hi Iron Malayan, apa kabar?

Khabar baik.

that happened since there is more greater rule for each province in indonesia to rule thier region for themself. so riau right now can breath and ease little bit also others province. on new order era riau just like other province outside java just became milk cow without being feeding for selfish centralised goverment in jakarta. yet still a lot of things need to improve. under our current president right now megawati soekarno (civil goverment) things is improving.
indonesia right now holding president election but it seems few indonesia right now still remember how militery if bocoming a ruler in developing country can lead the country to disaster it can be seen the strongest candidate from militery back ground.
indonesia was not improving so much because a lot of debt and unprofessional manage, ruled by family member and chronic goverment was caused by militeristic background on the new order regime. my personal will let indonesia keepl ruled by democratic civil goverment.

i don't know why people say these things because the americans go on tv and say things like "we are the most powerful nation in the world", we are the richest nation in the world and we have the strongest army in the world" i don't see people calling the americans racists.

they just jealous because they loose in economical race. i can understand that. if imigrant more rich than native ..then native will be jealous like hell. it happen everywhere. if chinese indonesian poor ..im sure indonesian never become racist...but chinese never made to be poor. we are made to be winner...and sorry to the looser who become racist after that.

indonesian never beat chinese in economy even untill end of the world..their destiny is to become slaves.

^ your destiny is to become slave

is there chinese who become maid of indonesian...zero!!!..
what about native indonesian...they're not only become maid of chinese but also singaporean, malayan, arabian..and elsewhere..

they born to become slaves. they get raped in arabian, get death penalty in singapore...who cares..its good for them to die one by one.

^ u r born to become maid and slave

So that's why we have to raid brothels in Malaysia every week and deport the Chinese prostitutes enslaved there !!

li_fung so racist. would be funyy if he actually is a slave. sorryyy.

my mother maid is chinese, in riau chinese not only become washing clothes maid but also sell their small daughter just to get food to eat. in west borneo thay sell their daughter for bride to westerner from singapore or to chinese from malaysia. not counting they end up bcome prostitue worker in malaysia.
this act sell their daughter worst than any human creature ever thinking.

yes chinese prostitutes and pimps the winner on this business.

maid and slave its totally different thing!

The point is that if you compare different cultures, people are the same kind with different historis and perceptions. the way you go depend on yourself and your personality, not your culture. no matter if you are chinese or malay or negros or whatever, we shouldnt fight man.

ehm..all i know some native indonesians are racist, not only to chinese, but also to people from different ethnics...and i found out that a lot chinese indonesians are racist, not only to native indonesians, but also to other chinese who live in different part of indonesia (eg chinese java, chinese sumatra)..but please underline this...it is only a small number of Indonesians who racist!! most of them do not racist and friendly...

About white people...hahahaha we do not really worship them....some indonesians do admirer white people since their culture and life-style dominate a young indonesian people's life...but for me..i just see them as normal human..

about 1998..it was the most shameful moments in indonesia...being a native indonesian, actually it was the very first time i felt shame about who i am ....how could human being do such disgusting things???i guess whatever reasons, there is no right to hurt somebody else.....well i hope the government pay attention about that cases...i dont really want those things happen again in the future....

[quote=Nusantara,Nov 7 2004, 09:58 AM]

[/quote] my mother maid is chinese, in riau chinese not only become washing clothes maid but also sell their small daughter just to get food to eat. in west borneo thay sell their daughter for bride to westerner from singapore or to chinese from malaysia. not counting they end up bcome prostitue worker in malaysia.
this act sell their daughter worst than any human creature ever thinking.

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i think li_fung is right about the maid issue. thousands of women from Philipine and indonesia etc. go to Hong Kong to work as maids, not only HK but Singapore as well. in Hk, some indon/filipino maids even engage in illegal sex activities and throw their own employers' babies down the street. however, i do feel sorry for some of them for the abuse they get.

as for selling daughter for food, i guess many different enthic people in the past have done it before. some people think their daughters might be better off with a rich person rather than living with a poor couple who can't even feed their own children.

Every country deals with racism!

IMO racism is the number one problem in the world today!

Hi, kid. Are you allowed to go on the internet?
And... learn english!

anyone can go on to the internet in china

and that post was like last year, that guy had been stop posting ever since and now you still reply to him. i guess he might not be able to answer your questions.

rockaheart...it's free for you to say that Indonesians are racist or something..it's just how you see us.
racist or not a person depends on his or herself!
you can't jugde all indonesians racist!
there may be some..but a lot of indoneians are very open and kind to foreigners!
so..jangan asal bikin statement donk!

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Rockheart doesn't come here no more.

I think he's either a Cambodian or a mess up kid.

Question: Are Indonesian Racist?
Answer: Not necessarily, but they (most of em) divide up individuals to their race. So if you're coming from Sweden, to an average Indonesian you represent your whole country, Sweden. If you do something in a certain way, the avg Indonesian would think that all Swedes do that same thing in that certain way.

Obviously everyone with eyes is racist... If not then they cannot distinguish between races (so everyone who is not racist is toidi)

The word "racist" is very often misused.

Insecurity and inferior complex are more appropriate.

generalisation

Hi

I am from Singapore, and I am of Chinese descent. I happened to see this thread while surfing the Internet. Let me just tell you my experiences in Jakarta.

I was in Jakarta in November last year on a business trip, and also to attend a Chinese-Indonesian friend's sister's wedding. It was my first trip to Jakarta. I have been to Bali previously, and it was a very nice and friendly place.

I got into a Silver Bird taxi at the airport to send me to my hotel. The taxi driver was native Indonesian, and was very friendly and could speak English. I had a nice conversation with him. So I was thinking: Hey this place is ok. Except for the street scenes, which are full of native Indonesians selling food by the street, and generally the poor poeple living in the slums, which are almost everywhere in Jakarta.

At the hotel, I checked into my room at the counter. The lady at the hotel reception was also native Indonesian, and she was very nice and polite as well.

After that, I met some friends also from Singapore, and went to Plaza Indonesia for coffee. Along the way in the taxi, I began to feel more and more disturbed by the number of poor native Indonesians on the streets and in the slums. To tell you the truth, I felt very sorry for them.

At the Plaza Indonesia, I realized the difference. Outside the shopping centre was all the poor native Indonesians. Inside, was all the rich Chinese shopping and buying the branded clothes and jewellery and stuff. The security guards, though, were native Indonesian. The cleaners and workers were also native Indonesian.

That night, I went to my Chinese-Indonesian friend's sister's wedding in the Grand Hyatt. Again, I saw the contrast. The hotel guests and people who attended the wedding were local Chinese and some white foreigners. The guys who opened the doors, the waiters, the workers, they were native Indonesian. As usual, this was a posh Chinese-Indonesian wedding, and they definitely spent a lot of money on the wedding, as the food was high-quality and the decor was posh. The wedding's guests are also rich Chinese-Indonesians, some of whom I knew from my school days in the US.

The next few nights, I was brought to some of Jakarta's best nightclubs and pubs. The people spending money like crazy in those places were Chinese-Indonesians and whites. The native Indonesians? Well, they are all workers there. Some of the native Indonesians were also customers, but they just sat around smoking cigarettes and watching people. My friends told me some of them are drug dealers or pimps.

At the end of my trip, I fully understood why the native Indonesians hate the Chinese-Indonesians so much.

If you are a poor native Indonesian, looking in from the outside at all these rich Chinese-Indonesian spending their money and living a life of luxury, you would hate the Chinese too. Do you know how great the contrast is between the Chinese-Indonesian lifestyle vs. the native Indonesian lifestyle? Let's just say: the amount of money the Chinese spend on a single restaurant meal can easily feed a family of 4 native Indonesians for a month!

In conclusion, looking at how some Chinese-Indonesians flaunt their wealth in front of the poor native Indonesians, I fully understand the hatred of the native Indonesians.

That's not all. In fact I know how the Chinese-Indonesians became so rich. A lot of them made their money by exploiting the native Indonesians, making use of them at low cost, taking their land at low cost. Just look at those wealthy Chinese who literally RAPED Kalimantan of natural resources, making use of the natives as cheap labour. In fact, I have relatives who are Chinese-Indonesians. Their business is dealing in motorcycles to native Indonesians. But when their native Indonesian customers cannot pay the installment for the motorcycles, they take the motorcycle back, refurbish it a little, and sell it to the native Indonesians again at full price. I think that is a sin.

ps:- one night, while travelling back to the hotel in a taxi with my friends, we were stopped by a native Indonesian police man. The police man threatened to arrest us because we didn't have our original passports with us, only photocopies. But he said if we gave him a large sum of money, he'll let us go. In the end, we gave the police man some money on the spot. My friend, who works for an American MNC in Indonesia, bargained the price down. That was my only bad experience with native Indonesians.

MOST Indonesians are racist. Believe me, I am also an Indonesian but I'm not THAT racist like the people in Indonesia. Wait, don't flame me first. Indonesians like to divide races, for example, if a Black man is walking down the street, many Indonesians will just call them "NEGRO NEGRO NEGRO!! Wahahah gila ada negro disini paraaah, woiii item! woiii!!", or maybe a white man, "buleeee woi bule depok!! kagak bisa bahasa indonesia yah? i lop yu daaah!!", or maybe an indian man "oi nehi nehi lo! nehi nehi!"... yep, many Indonesians are like that and its really really annoying when Indos see me hanging around with the blacks or indians, theyll just say "idih ngapain sih lo temenan ma orang ITEM?", it ticks me off so bad! I mean, why the hell!! I can hang out with ANYONE I want! indonesians are STEREOTIPICAL! They say Indian people are smelly, but if they can smell their own smell, theyll faint like hell! They say blacks are so bad and so dumb and stuff like that, but they listen to RnB and Hip Hop, how idiotic...... They hate the chinese so damn much just because theyre jealous... Man, I wish Indos start thinking further....

NO offence for Indonesian racists, this is not an offence, this is a damn fact, I'm dissing you like hell dude...

^ LOLZ.. where did you find these experiences? sounds like peeps from some remote villages or slum area. those peeps loves the nasty variety of jokes, particularly they always laugh abt peeps' skin colour, hair style, or facial features

but you cannot generalise by callin most indonesians racist. in australia, i've been called "wog", "Ching-Chong Chinaman", or eben "J@p", but I couldn't say that Australia is a racist country. i dont think indonesians are racist against indians or africans.. indonesians actually have affinity to indians. indonesians love bollywood movies and music, and indian actors like shahrukh khan, juhi chawla, or madhuri dixit went to indonesia a lot. as for africans, you can find so many of them having indonesian girlfriends in tanah abang area. last time i go through sukarno-hatta airport, i saw so many africans arriving in indonesia, dont know for what reason. and you always heard about illegal african immigrants being deported back to their countries. i dont think africans would be willing to illegally migrate to indonesia if they experience widespread racism there.

^ That's why theyre so idiotic, they love bollywood and Indian music but if they actually see the Indian person, they start making fun of them. Just like the stupid Indonesians who love RnB and Hip-Hop but hates the people who actually made it.

EG.

"Oi lo udah dengerin lagu Pharrel yang baru blom?"
"Udah tuh, keren abissss sumpah!!"

And when they see a black person passing by...

"Negro najis banget ih! Item banget gitu!!"
"Idiiiiiiiiih paraaaaaaaaaaaaah!!"

So dumb, believe me, it's everywhere in our community -_-