http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=91609

Let's be done with this issue. It's just political spat between 2 political parties who's been at each other's throats since the 1960's.

haiya.. no need la..

Apek aa.. you go here la http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=90329

y u start redundant topic ? stupid b!tch !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Stop b!tching everywhere,d!ckhead!

Forget about LKY. He was racist old man. A racist Singaporean.

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Given your prejudice against Singaporeans and gays, do you think you are entitled to judge if LKY is racist?

So I just think we all can ignore LKY remark on Malaysia and Indonesian govt because I think LKY racist.

So LKY is racist and you're not?

I'm just nationalists. Not fanatic nationalist like you are.

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banyak forumer kat sini yang anti melayu....

You want us to check out that link ? Sorry, no time.

I just want to say
LKY has no business criticizing Malaysia. When it comes to marginalizing ppl, he was the most retarded. Turning his fellow Singaporeans into 2nd class citizens in favour of immigrants.

For those who still quote Singapore malays are victim of Singapore should feel shame.

This is biggest joke, when Malaysia malays think that they are fighting the right for Singapore malays and use this as an excuse to fulfill their greediness. Yet Singapore malays look down at Malaysia malays. They are proud to be Singapore malays.

Hahaha. Yes, again biggest joke is, they control almost every resource in Malaysia, and practicing daytime robbed, yet someone still quote Malaysia malays can get what they want if other race agreed.

This is what we called, Dr Spin.

Don't you know Umno strategy? Keep the malays forever dependent on them so that they can stay in power. There are many capable malays but they are so used to crutches that their muscle are dystrophic. It is like the doctor (no pun intended) who prescribes his patient an addictive quick fix so that they will keep coming back to him/her.

The fact that Mahathir may be more "modern thinking" than other malays, many may not aware, could be due to his training in Singapore!

Malays from Singapore just far outclass the malays from Malaysia in terms of knowledge and capability. But we have this "katak bawah tempurung" who thinks "don't become like the malays in Singapore"!

Friend, you are just far from them! You are just losing out! The poor deputy minister can never be as good as the Singapore malays in this life! And he never thinks to be like the Singapore malays to excel from the competition! Need to say more?

I too was fortunate enough to have a father who was farsighted enough to send me off to Singapore to be educated, some 10 years ago. Just like him, I will also send my children to Singapore one day, as I believe that their education system is far more superior compared to Malaysia, and to prepare them to face the future challenges in this competitive world.

It is not the race factor that makes Singapore what it is today. It is the system. Singapore is very wise and very careful never to mix religion/race with politics. Anyone irrespective of the race gets severe punishment if involved in religious or racial slur.

Their work ethics and accountability of their leaderships/heads and every civil servant based on merit rather than skin is so glaringly obvious. In Malaysia we are exactly the opposite in almost any area one can think of.

I really doubt many Singapore malays would like to move to Malaysia which obviously the Malaysia government would be too happy to grab them. Yet this is never an issue. It is not happening. Why?

This same goes to the Singapore Chinese. The Chinese there are more advanced than the Chinese here in Malaysia.

As a Chinese, I have to admit it and I really hope Chinese in Malaysia to start opening their eyes and learn the lessons to be more outward looking, improve themselves like learning more English and not dream that the next decade is easy going or get frustrated by the NEP.

We should first start by inculcate into our children from now on these values. There will be difficult times ahead and unless Chinese they make themselves competitive now, Malaysian Chinese will fall behind and be history.

Just like the NEP cannot bring an entire community to overcome their economic weakness overnight, so is the Chinese need to forge ahead to remain competitive cannot be achieved overnight. Start the ball rolling now.

To this end, I ask all Chinese leaders to lead and there are opportunities beyond the shores of Malaysia. We have to help ourselves because no one will.

If you are to make too much money in Malaysia, how the heavens can the malays catch up and give up NEP when the percentage of their economic cake will remain the same or stagnent?

So the solution for Malaysia is to increase the malays national wealth and the non-malays to increase their wealth globally - and keep it there. Right? This is open for dispute.

It is cool, Singapore malays achieved such feat because of the system, but the system was helped tremendously by the fact that there is no race issue.

I have friends in Singapore who are malays and they never consider themselves as malays. They always call themselves Singaporeans, something a country like Malaysia will never be able to achieve with the malays having the ketuanan attitude.

If only we have more people like a farsighted malay, Malaysia would be as progressive as Singapore. In fact with all our natural resources we could even be better than Singapore.

Our government is wasting money on subsidy to the malays when it should be teaching them to be independent. That is why today we see a lot of malay children too lazy to work and spend most of their time on drugs and become mat rempit.

Slowly the Indonesians are coming over to take all their jobs and eventually they will be beggars in their own country.

There is plenty that I do not agree with the Singaporeans, their "one party state" for example, and their serious curbs on freedom of speech. But there is also plenty that we can learn from the good points of other nations as well, may it be the US, UK, Australia, even China.

But the underlying issue here is that a system based on mutual respect, meritocracy and equality work. Singaporeans have reach great heights in the international scene despite being very limited land, natural resource poor and limited population.

Yet their formula is a good example of a system that works. Every person benefits if they are willing to work hard and aim high.

Or would you rather Malaysians stay ignorant. "See no evil, say no evil, and hear no evil." Think about it……….

Cut a crap...

For next 10 yrs, I afraid Singapore Malay will lost identity of being Malay...

Pls list them...

So you still in Malaysia???? Why???
They was never Malay for the first place... Funny...

Malaysia likes one country - Bosnia and Herzegovina (They lacks of Mutal Trust)


Bosniak, Serbian, Croatian ~ Malay, Chinese, Indian


Bosniak (Muslim) ~ Malay (Muslim)

Serbian (Orthodox Christian) ~ Chinese (Buddhist, Christian, Confucianist)

Croatian (Catholic Christian) ~ Indian (Hinduist)



Of course, the racial problem is not too tough as Bosnia and Herzegovina

You made wrong analogy.
Malaysia has been built by merging together several Malay sultanates thats why they called to be Malaysia. None of this federation was belong to Chinese or Indian.

Bosniak, Serbian and Croatian are coming from the same ethnic: South Slave, they share the same root but have difference religion at the end. While those 2 people above are just immigrant in Malaysia.

Malaysia should be renamed as Malaystan

Malaysia just fine...

My understanding is that "Malays" are also immigrants from Java while the true "Orang Asli" of Malaysia are an entirely different race.

Where did u get that bull$hit? The Malay of the Malay Peninsula and the Malay of Sumatra (Indonesia) occupied both of the places almost in the same time. That's why they share a lot of traits. It's different with Javanese.

Even Geertz would define the people of Coastal Sumatra and Kalimantan as "Malay" but refers to the people of Java "Javanese". If the Malay of Malay Peninsula came from Java, they should've retained some of the structural hierarchy, religious syncretism, shamanism&mysticism, and social graces unique to the Javanese people.

How can you say that "Malays" immigrants from Java if their language and culture different from each others. And we dont have anything that can show us related to Javanese people except Wayang Kulit and Keris...

Plus, I strongly believe Malays people were native here and all old Kingdom in Peninsular Malaysia were Malays Kingdom. There was no Orang Asli Kingdoms to suggest that they came aerly than the Malays here. Most of them were Austro Asiatic people while historian suggest that first people settlement was from Austronesian people..

You're right (I would never thought saying this to u )about the first settler being Austronesian, Betong. They migrate to further east when the Malay overpopulated the place. We still have them in eastern Indonesia.

Oh, and we want our Wayang Kulit back, thank u. Keep the pattani wayang to urself, we don't want it.

Oops, we intend to keep wayang kulit as us. Can la..
And for your information, Pattani Wayang just as same as my wayang kulit. So we can keep that.

Then why does ur Tourism ad feature the Javanese Wayang, then?Got no self-respect for your own Pattani Wayang, huh?

I apologise. I think I may have misunderstood previous posts and I need to go back and read my history books .

Sori la.

No need to be so rigid bro, we're friends here after all

Another Malaysian-Singapore animosity.....
A troll bait..

Why are Malay in Malaysia and Chinese in Singapore couldn't get along....?
You know... about this Melayu Bumiputra-Chinese Peranakan issues...?

Oooh... I forgot..., if they got along well...., Singapore will be a part of Malaysian Federation, and there's will be no single Singapore state.....
Oooh come on... grow up.....! Berkelahi terus
(sit back and watch the rumble..... )

If Malaysia still implements Malay-oriented policy, no way to see Singapore rejoins Malaysian Federation.


If you are Chinese Singaporean or Indian Singaporean, you don't want Singapore to rejoin Malaysia.

Malay Malaysian (major from UMNO) say Singapore Singapore don't trust Malay Singaporen because only Chinese Singaporen and Indian Singaporen control Military affairs but no Malay Singaporen. But Malaysia also don't trust ethnic Chinese and Indian so all major officiers are Malay.

Why Singapore allow US Army to stay? Because she think that she is Israel of SE Asia. She is surrounded by 2 Malay countries. (If she is only neighbouring to the Philippines, they do not fear because Catholic is more friendly than Muslim.)

Chinese Malaysian are much more rich, but they need to share their stock with Malay for avoid racial conflict like the case in Indonesia.

"Malay is Lazy" may not be true, however, Malay-oriented policy is only beneficial for high society of Malay. It provide less economic advantage to oridinay Malay citizen. Also, Malay highly relays on this policy so they lacks of motivation.


You can see http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=94494

Most Chinese Malaysian netfriends complain that they are deprived of admission to national university even though they have good results in STPM. Most of university places are reserved for Malay even though some of them do not qualify result. Almost no non-Malay can enter Medical Science / Doctor major, but many low-quality Malay can do. So, the Medical Standard in Malaysia is deteriorated.

Here ...we can see some people so desperately trying to twist something.

Oops you already said sorry about your history, my bad.

Malaysia do not need singapore, right now when people taking about ASEAN it is not Singapore which pop up into mind.


All chinese Malaysian can move to Singapore, most Malay will happily accept malay Singaporean, we can do barter.


Stop bulshyitng, there are no American military base in Singapore.


Chinese are not much richer than Malay Even comparing chinese with bumiputra meaning including orang aseli, dayak, kadazan, etc lump together with Malay, the ratio wealthy of chinese and bumiputra just 1.6 : 1.
That rate difference would be lower of chinese vs malay.


Ohh really..then why your people keep ranting and whining to malay which you call lazy people? lol.


The reason is your Chinese friend are just dumb could not pass admission to enter national local universities. If they are good why in universities abroad mostly Chinese only pass to 2nd or 3rd tier universities which in world university rank lower than local Malaysia universities, which just prove again they are just not qualified. And why Malay student who get admission to famous universities abroad score higher than chinese Malaysian.

Chinese Malaysian (Beside the people who gain vested interest in MCA) and Indian Malaysian (beside the people who gain vested interest in MIC) want to migrate to Singapore, but they are neither rich nor professional. Singapore does not accepts them.

Most of Malay Singapore don't want to come back to Malaysia. Otherwise, they should go early.

Maybe you should do double checking first before give this kind of statement.. The non-malay couldn't hold the highest rank in millitary since the highest rank goes to Agong.. but there are a few non-malays officers held lieutenant-general post in MAF which is considered as major officers..

In police force, Malaysia's CID chief, Penang's police chief and Sabah's police chief are chinese.. which is considered as major officers..

Well, there lots more if you want..



For your info, based to the Human resources Ministry, the majority of doctors are INDIANS.. so are you saying that the Medical Standard in Malaysia deteriorated because of Indian doctors?

I'm not sure about your claim that the low-quality Malay can do doctoring.. as far as i know, if you are not good enough, you'll be out.. no matter what is your race.. I think that your chinese malaysian netfriends are making excuses because they are not good enough to get the place..

Besides that, these excuses isn't come from chinese community only, but Malay as well.. If you think there thousands of chinese couldn't get their place in Uni., actually there hundreds of thousand of Malays couldn't get their place in Uni. too..

Malaysia sends its govnt scholars to Monash to study medicine(there are about 20 a year) and some of them come to my clinic as part of their attachment, of those that I have seen, I believe they would make very good doctors(as far as I understand all the scholars are Malay).

Having said that I have had an attachment to a Malaysian hospital when I was a student, by and large the quality of the junior doctors there was very poor. The specialists were very good but there were too few of them trying to take on too big a task.

How many and who misses out of University places doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is that if your race is a determining factor in University places.

There's few non-malays military officers in the Malaysian Army, but there's a significant number of them in the AF and navy. the malays dominate the armed forces because there's few chinese who are willing to join up. they get better wedges in the private sectors or setting up their own business. Government agecies are known for underpaying their workers.

I agree that Chinese are more hardworking then malays are. but don't make a mistake to think that laziness come natural to malays. this is a result of years of british colonialism. they conditioned the malays to be like this so as to discourage any major malay uprising against the british rule. the policy were carried on by the current admin to serve their own corrupted purpose.

To say that "Melayu tak reti berniaga" is absurd. History show us that Malacca and Srivijaya are one of the greatest trading centre in the east. malacca are similar to Carthage in north africa in that both are first rate seafarers and both control the sea trading route.

you're all talking like a bunch of foreigners

Yes, Bashkara was foreigners...
Or we called PATI in Malaysia

http://www.sabrizain.demon.co.uk/malaya/malays.htm

guys this is a link about the history of malay and the origin of the word melayu. enjoy

Because Malay Singaporean and Chinese Malaysian are Minorities

Malay and Chinese should be content.

Think abour Indian, both in Malaysia and Singapore are Minorities.

Hey m8

Why do u have to bring up the indians here m8 ? u will unintentionally turn this into a flame war
I suggest that u dont bring in the third party unnecessarily when ppl are talking about malay and chinese.

Thank you for reading

Have a good day

Malay leaders in Malaysia like to see their folks contained in a chicken coop. They tell them that they are free and yet to be beholden to them as they are the ones providing them their feed.

They even believe that if they left the coop, they might be eaten up by the wily fox, and that they might otherwise starve to death.

The Singapore malays is in no illusions and they know they are out of the coop. They got to find their own nourishment and they got no leader throwing in the crumbs to them.

If they don't want to labour for their food, they can always go across the causeway and be given citizenship rights and take advantage of all the crumbs thrown at them. But most of them will not.

Of course the chicken $hit from there have all long crossed over. But the rest have a little more dignity and stay on to show what they are really made up of.

I respect the Singapore malays for that. It does not matter that they have made a lot of wrong turns or that they have hardly a fighting chance. But they got more respect and dignity than their kinsfolk from over here Malaysia.

This is what half-past-six ministers that we have in Malaysia. Even comparison between Singapore malays and Malaysian Chinese, Singapore malays are never discriminated by their government based on equality.

I have so many Singapore malay friends from school mates, college mates to business partners. Penang malays would be so glad if they are treated like Singapore malays. Just ask the Singaporeans……….do they want to be back to Malaysia?

The problem with the Malaysia malays is their jealous attitude. If they are left behind, they will prevent others from moving ahead too! And sometimes even sabotaging others, and some resort the use to cast spell on others.

Not only the laid back malays are preventing their own people from being successful, but other races too. We also want the malays to be successful by creating value in the society so that everyone benefit but not by taxing the non-malays then give contracts to the malays, who will then deliver half-past-six service.

Change your own attitude first through value creation using your own tears and sweats!

As said before, had Malaysia been managed by Lee Kuan Yew and his colleagues for the past 40 years, Malaysia would have been much better off today, including all the malays! 95% would have owned a house, and no such rampant corruption!

For the malay ultras, facts speak louder than your bigotry cries, wake up, grow up, be men instead of sissies!

You see the problem here - the malays just cannot face up to their main problem - Laziness. This shows how thick-skinned and self-deluded these people are.

Malaysia is a multi-racial country. Jika kamu tak suka, kamu boleh blar……….tiada orang larang kamu.

The fact is malays you are the biggest loser! I am trying to wake you up instead of using the way like what our government is practice to provide NEP even though it is proven NEP is a failure in the past 30 years. Keep on dreaming if you think Malaysia could achieve Vision 2020 with your kind of attitude!

Majority of the Penang big government contracts is being awarded to the malay firms. What else you want! They get the same as other malays in Malaysia. The only different in Penang is, the Umno guys cannot tap the government fund into their own pocket, as other state Umno did. This is the main reason why they raised this issue.

Speaking without substances and distorting facts seems to be the good old habitual ways of Malaysia malays, which is probably inherited by their much loved masters, the "malay killers" - Umno.

To add to this, constant distorted facts with regards to the situational state of the Singapore malays remains among the commentators of Umno. It is hard not to see that some people really need to see the situation and know it first hand before dishing out their empty vessel mentalities.

Anyways, good thing you be it Malay, Indian, Chinese in Singapore is open to competition, and cherish diversity. Not like the radical son of terrorist we can find many in Malaysia.

Most malays in Malaysia hate diversity and discontent to the minorities, especially the Chinese. In blog, radical malays can be either extreme or pretentiously diverse-minded. Very few is genuine.

I do admit there are lazy malays that depend on handouts, but this kind of malays will be phase out and this kind I would say hypocrites. They tend to claim they work hard to achieve success, in fact they relaying on government support. I myself despise this kind of human being.

Little do they realize this safety net is fast disappearing because the government is finding it increasingly difficult to maintain the system in the face of global challenges! But these handouts have become an addiction. Refuse the junkie and you get booted out of power.

It is the malays themselves that must come to realize the damaging side effects of the NEP. For someone who wants no better than to see his own race succeed, this must be painful.

And you can often see the malays are usually envious of not only the non-malays, but of their own successful malays as well.

Malays failed is a fact. What make non-malays not happy about their failure is, they fail despite get ample help from the government.

And they continue putting the blame on their fail to, especially the Malaysian Chinese. This is why created so many issue and argument here.

But those greedy Umno guys keep emphasis the NEP, how many percent of the country wealth belong to malays. In fact, those Umno guys having super good life by easy way.

And they keep on demanding, not really review what was wrong with it, putting the blame to non-malays, to stir the racist sentiment in the country.

If present situation continue, even the malays get 60% of the country wealth, majority of the malays will still munch.

Simple solution - come to Singapore and see for yourselves even if you want to guise that our Singapore malays are in lesser numbers on success than the Malaysia idiotic counterparts - our Singapore malays are based on merit and not on such keris wielding Umno policies……….are you proud of that?

Once again, in a subtle and indirect manner, this forum has proven how naive and "katak bawah tempurung" a Malaysia malay can be. Blame who? The Umno policies.

Yes, start collecting the achieves with regards to moral degradation among Malaysia malays. Look at the Umno ministers when they speak on national TV. Qualify or not become ministers with such low reactive capabilities?

Some Malaysia malays saying Singapore malays quota should be more in the Singapore cabinet if compared to the Indians. First, Singapore government is based on merit system and not like you bunch of racist morons here. That is why Malaysia is so backward if compared to Korea and others.

Not many Malaysia malays can survive if they go oversea because they are slow and lazy and that is why they can't compete with the competitive market out there. Normally they will end up hiding their heads in Malaysia with the protection and biased system by the Malaysia government.

Come on, man. We do not have time to argue the truth of your on and on talk about "not all malays are spoon fed, not all malays are lazy". Like we are dying to argue that when we already know it is true.

It is human nature to blame everyone about their plight rather than blame themselves. The majority of new generation of malays in Singapore is educated, unlike their parents.

Please read the comments made by Singapore malays why they can hold their heads up and be proud as a Singapore malay and then maybe it will sink into you.

Muslims everywhere unless they are the minority, cannot tolerate people with different religions. The Singapore government handles the situation rather well as they handle their malay community with kid gloves.

This is just another example of how sick our present government under BN is.

It makes us all wonder how low can they go before the whole country collapses……….

Umno, which effectively runs the government, is riddled with corruption and cronyism.

Members crave for the award of lucrative government contracts given out under the pretext of the NEP. But the party is filled with bureaucrats with no management skills and no productive economic skills.

In a freely competitive market, they would be in the lower rungs of the public sector or would have lost their jobs altogether. To maintain their way of life, they have to ensure that the NEP is continued at all costs.

A large segment of the malays are still poor after 38 years of the NEP and on top of this, the income disparity between the poor and the rich has widened. Clearly, the NEP as a method of equalising economic disparity has failed.

The benefits of the NEP to the poor malays is a pittance compared to the benefits to the rich and well connected malays. It is in reality a facade and tool for the elite and rich malays - who are in the minority - to continue their extravagant way of life at the expense of the rest on the country.

The cost of the NEP so far include a government which makes decisions first and studies the impact later, an incompetent and inefficient public service, bailouts of well connected companies, brain drain, declining education standards, increased racial polarisation, unemployable graduates who are mostly malays - just about everything that is wrong in this country!

Know what malay pig? A suck babi hutan pendatang from Indonesia, pencuri of Tanah Orang Asli, should be caught by all the Chinese whom you have insulted.

They will then pack you in a pig basket, parade you round Chinatown in KL, to let the Chinese pelt rotten eggs, throw $hit and pour all the pig $hit from the nearby pig farms on your head.

Then let them take you out of your pig basket and roast you over an extremely hot fire until you become barbecued pork. After that chop your stinking carcass and leave it in the streets of rural for all those vultures and crows to feed on. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

Why only malays? You think this country is yours alone? What has the government really done for the pribumis and the Orang Asli? Look at how Umno has screwed up Sabah Indonesians and Filipinos getting citizenship and enjoying the same benefits as you the moment they hop off the boat!

You go ask the government to stop all that then I will stop thinking you are speaking through your @$$hole.

Podah! You are nothing but a chauvinist malay pig like the rest.

It seems like Malaysia is still not ready for globalisation because of a bunch of anti-social racist morons like you. Our country already independent for so many donkey years but sorry to see still got such shortsighted moron like you.

Bangsa melayu failed in the past 30 years with lots of help from Umno but still failed! Then they blame the Chinese cheat la, marginalise them la, this la that la……….so much excuses! If you are pariah, forever you are pariah!

If you malay pig race lazy, no matter how much with the government help, it will back to square.

For me, I just speak up what I had observed and not like the malay race who is always jealous about other race success. Bad hearted.

What the hell you ask all the Chinese to get out from Malaysia in your comment post? It is proven you are another racist moron bastard!

Malay failure is the fact! It has been happened since 30 years ago and not just now. If you keep on denying it proven again you are just another loser or hypocrite!

Truth - what is so proud of asking Chinese to be like your kind of robbers, liars, cheaters in Malaysia? Kaum tongkat yang langsung tak tahu malu! Yes, you motherf***ker are stupid, lazy, fanatic, thus you need tongkat forever! d!ck head!

Kaum tongkat still can survive in most of the zoos overseas. See the UPM red shirt "Orang Utan". At least they could be the laughing stock to this world.

If malays with 50% population in Malaysia none of them success, then I reckon you jump to the sea. That so!

Once again, with you racist pig moron, Malaysia wouldn't go far as far as globalisation is all about!

You are truly one of those Umno babi hutan with $hit plastered all over your brain and fulfilling Hang Tuah policy in reverse! With babi hutan like you whose brains are filled with tahi babi - it would be melayu akan hilang di dunia!

Know what dear Piggie, or Porkiness, or Bloody Swine, YOU INSULTED US FIRST in the forum, you & your kind.

Feeling insulted that you are a KHINZIR variety with the KHINZIR-like mind, feel free, dumb-@$$!

<---Banned.

well I think, if LKY managed Malaysia, Malaysia would not be like today's Singapore as well. Difference culture, people composition, and problems to be tackled. Malaysia probably has the ethnicity tense even tougher until today.

PAP @ PETIR (LKY Party) And UMNO


sama jer korup.......

hey,i have an idea...why dont we surrender the whole nation to america,since the are so good at managing thier country...they deserve this land better than us...

what a stupid way of thinking...all races deserve thier own land to practice thier own way of live...

the reason why chinese and india are soo successful in malaysia is simply because they have support from thier motherland country like china and india who invest billions of dollar to control the malaysian economy....they have every reason to do so...