flower pig
Oct 11 2006, 08:20 PM
http://time.blogs.com/.shared/image.html?/...ized/foley1.jpgQUOTE
Once locked inside, I called the police. According to their police report was at 11::40pm. They did not arrive to my apartment until well after 12am despite a police station being only 5 minutes by walk from my house. I didn’t trust that the police believed me and understood to come so I also called my friends, but they too, were all far away. When the 2 policemen showed up, the man was gone. I told the police what happened and that I need to go to a hospital right away but their first words to me was to say “Where are your panties and give me your Alien Registration ID card”. I managed to find my ID card and I gave it to him and then ran out my door to try to get someone else to get me an ambulance. The police came out and told me to sit in the back of their police car, which I did. Soon after, the ambulance came and they did not help into the ambulance on a stretcher. They opened up their sliding side door and told me to walk in. I did and lay down on the stretcher, unattended by anyone
The first place I was taken was called Samsung Medical Center. When we arrived there, again I was not taken in on a stretcher, but instead the two ambulance workers opened the door and told me to get out. As we were walking in, they did not assist me in walking and wouldn’t even open the hospital doors for me until I pulled up the back of my running pants which had slipped down to reveal the top of my panties. I was laid on a stretcher and someone came to clean my face and photograph my injuries. Within a short amount of time a number of my friends and coworkers began arriving and immediately we worked together to recall what I could of the attack while the hospital workers were deciding where to send me. I explained to them first of all what happened and asked them to please test my fingernails for his DNA because I probably scratched him. My friends (no police were to be found now) then got a pen and paper and were asking for his description and also began listing the places I could remember he touched: My window, my wallet, my bag, my refrigerator, my door lock, my sink faucet---all places that could be tested for fingerprints. This first hospital also took pictures of my injuries which now are LOST. The hospital has told the US Embassy that they do not have a camera to even take pictures; while they told my friend who inquired about them that they just don’t have record of my name for that date.
There is so much about this woman's story which is just appalling. I wonder if a Korean woman would be treated so badly -- having personally seen rape victims in the States treated in a similar manner, I wouldn't really be surprised.
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200405/16/2...0090409041.htmlQUOTE
The appeals court ruled that the woman had shown no evidence of having refused the man's advances, and that he used "not enough violence to constitute rape."
That's so infuriating. An attitude which is, sadly, still common in many countries including the USA.
MasterTango
Oct 11 2006, 08:24 PM
Thats so sad. i cant believe it
Mizz_Luv3r
Oct 11 2006, 08:26 PM
That's really messed up. What if she was one of their daughters? People are just so senseless at times.
HanulSky
Oct 11 2006, 09:17 PM
it's sad, but women in korea aren't given as much rights...
Jhangora
Oct 11 2006, 09:54 PM
Very sad news

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Morgan25
Oct 12 2006, 01:41 PM
Sad, but it's kind of typical for that area of the world. If an American did something like that to a Korean girl then there would be protests and flag burnings and assaults and... you get the idea.
Mua
Oct 12 2006, 02:08 PM

how did the person who raped her manage to get her into his or her home?
there needs to be some serious reforms made in the police departments...i doubt that she was mistreated because she was a foreigner..people who work at hospitals and at the police are just not-caring low-paid losers who cant be bothered to help people.
Suijen
Oct 12 2006, 02:56 PM
QUOTE(Mua @ Oct 12 2006, 01:08 PM)


how did the person who raped her manage to get her into his or her home?
there needs to be some serious reforms made in the police departments...i doubt that she was mistreated because she was a foreigner..people who work at hospitals and at the police are just not-caring low-paid losers who cant be bothered to help people.
I don't think it was racial related also. It is quite possible that the Korean police have a lack of experience with the issue and a lack of understanding of how severe the issue is. She was not dying, and she walked out and in to the hospital on her own, so it's understandable why the paramedics did not bother putting her on a stretcher.
Remember, rape is more a mental than a physical damage to the victim. A guy who was raped would probably stay at home and nurse his wounds and ego.
tinman01
Oct 12 2006, 04:40 PM
QUOTE(Suijen @ Oct 12 2006, 03:56 PM)

I don't think it was racial related also. It is quite possible that the Korean police have a lack of experience with the issue and a lack of understanding of how severe the issue is. She was not dying, and she walked out and in to the hospital on her own, so it's understandable why the paramedics did not bother putting her on a stretcher.
Remember, rape is more a mental than a physical damage to the victim. A guy who was raped would probably stay at home and nurse his wounds and ego.
Very true. Different countries have different procedures.
Example in the USA if the paramedic doesn't hold your hand and tell you your $hit is icecream they can get sued. As a result they have mandatory procedures for every call. If they transport you for a hang nail you ride the stretcher no matter what. At the hospital you ride the stretcher. Hell they even wheel you out to your car on discharge even though nothing is wrong with your legs.
The alleged indifference by the police. Who really knows what the deal was there. They should have and could have been more professional. At the same time they may have been very uncomfortable dealing with a rape.
The comment earlier about if it had been a US soldier who raped a korean girl there would have been flag burnings. News flash Good soldiers don't rape...... The USA should turn the soldiers over to the host nation. Pretty sure these cowards who rape girls and young women would think twice if that was the outcome every time.
flower pig
Oct 12 2006, 06:39 PM
sujien and tinman01, no offense, but you guys just said some pretty stupid stuff.
The cops might have been uncomfortable dealing with a rape victim? Maybe they shouldn't be cops.
"A guy would've stayed home and nursed his ego" -- that sounds to me like trivializing a very serious issue. Attitudes like that are part of the reason so few men report sexual assaults.
tinman01, I think you really missed the point of comparison to soldiers. Nobody's trying to excuse rapist GIs. But why do criminal foreigners receive so much attention while Koreans who commit crimes against foreigners tend to get off so easily? Yes, partly it is because (Western) foreigners are a transient population and want to go home after traumatic events -- like with my friend last year after she was the victim of an attempted rape (a man claimed to be from the gas company). But it's also because those crimes are just not taken very seriously and certainly never publicized.
In conclusion I just want to say people, do what you can to fight rape. It's pretty easy --
1. Don't rape anybody.
2. Support your friends or family members if they are raped. Don't blame them and try to understand if they do things that seem crazy or need a long time to recover.
3. Don't support rape-enabling attitudes and try to see through bull$hit like "men are more likely to rape women who wear short skirts".
4. Demand change from the system. Write letters to newspapers and your elected representatives if you read about some bull$hit like these stories.
tinman01
Oct 12 2006, 07:02 PM
Flower, I did not mean to make trivial a horrendous act. My point was different countries have different standards and procedures. It isn't always fair to measure them by the standards of our own country, or even compare big city police to small town rent a cops.
As I said those policemen should have done a better job. It sounds like the ball was dropped all the way around. And I must say this, after traveling to many countries 1 thing I have learned. Enter at your own risk. We would hope that it is safe, but as foriegners we are not a priority. I know if I have conflict between myself and a national I will most likely be blaimed by the authorities. I once stayed in a hotel. No sheets or towels were provided. Later they accused me of stealing their sheets and towels. Guess what I was forced to pay for them even tho I didn't do it. Thats how it can be.
In this case a crime was committed against a foreigner to Korea. She unfortunately was not a priority. That is one of the many risks we take when we choose to live abroad.
Suijen
Oct 12 2006, 07:31 PM
I did not say that rape was trivial, I said that in most rape cases, the victims are not seriously physical injured but suffer more from psychological victimization. The example of "a guy staying at home nursing his wounds" is only to show that the damage from rape is more mental than physical.
Considering that she was able to walk to the ambulance, walk out of it, and walk to the hospital showed that she was physically well enough such that the police/paramedics did not feel the need to "hold her hand". If she were bleeding to death, you could probably expect a much more efficient response.
It is not BEYOND the realm of possibility that the policeman/paramedics do not know how serious rape is, or maybe did not understand her.
tinman01
Oct 12 2006, 10:19 PM
QUOTE(Suijen @ Oct 12 2006, 08:31 PM)

I did not say that rape was trivial, I said that in most rape cases, the victims are not seriously physical injured but suffer more from psychological victimization. The example of "a guy staying at home nursing his wounds" is only to show that the damage from rape is more mental than physical.
Considering that she was able to walk to the ambulance, walk out of it, and walk to the hospital showed that she was physically well enough such that the police/paramedics did not feel the need to "hold her hand". If she were bleeding to death, you could probably expect a much more efficient response.
It is not BEYOND the realm of possibility that the policeman/paramedics do not know how serious rape is, or maybe did not understand her.
True. I agree 100%
Most police are not well educated, atleast not in the USA. They take a criminal science course and they get a job because uncle joe knew someone. They get some OJT the rest is experience and word of mouth. This area of Korea does it have a high crime rate? If not these guys may have just been inexperienced and underestimated the situation, worse still inexperienced and flubbed the whole thing.
In my area it took 7 cops and over 21 rounds to take out an idiot waving a chainsaw around. Houses in all directions were hit by stray bullets. Now that made me wonder who is gaurding the henhouse.
SantaKlaws
Oct 12 2006, 10:58 PM
Why the hell does a rape victim need a stretcher? Did the rapist cripple her legs or something?
Suijen
Oct 12 2006, 11:00 PM
QUOTE(SantaKlaws @ Oct 12 2006, 09:58 PM)

Why the hell does a rape victim need a stretcher? Did the rapist cripple her legs or something?
Definitely not, she walked herself to the ambulance and to the hospital.
flipcombatmedic
Oct 12 2006, 11:03 PM
QUOTE(SantaKlaws @ Oct 12 2006, 10:58 PM)

Why the hell does a rape victim need a stretcher? Did the rapist cripple her legs or something?
it's for comfort deal. when a person is in shock, in the medical field, esp. civilian they take or suppose to take good care of them. medical places are coroporations nowadays.
i'd also say that, but it's a civilian female and if it happened to my relatives i'd sure as hell would want them to do as much as they can to assure her comfort.
HanulSky
Oct 12 2006, 11:52 PM
QUOTE(SantaKlaws @ Oct 13 2006, 01:58 AM)

Why the hell does a rape victim need a stretcher? Did the rapist cripple her legs or something?
maybe because her vagina is bleeding internally? I mean rape is a lot of force. It's different from consensual sex. usually she's bruised...and what not.
SantaKlaws
Oct 13 2006, 12:49 AM
Then she should've told the police officers that she's hurt very bad, like screaming in agony whenever making movements. But I doubt you can get such grievous wounds from a rape. You get a few slaps, or maybe some hits with the fist, you get fu-ked and that's pretty much it. I can understand the psychological damage involved, but a rape victim with no apparent critical wounds whining about a stretcher is beyond common sense. Does the traumatic experience necessitate a stretcher? Give her a fu-king blanket or something.
sfca-scot
Oct 20 2006, 11:32 PM
QUOTE(flower pig @ Oct 11 2006, 06:20 PM)

http://time.blogs.com/.shared/image.html?/...ized/foley1.jpgThere is so much about this woman's story which is just appalling. I wonder if a Korean woman would be treated so badly -- having personally seen rape victims in the States treated in a similar manner, I wouldn't really be surprised.
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200405/16/2...0090409041.htmlThat's so infuriating. An attitude which is, sadly, still common in many countries including the USA.
I think this story is awful but I don't get the last part of your post which suggests the US's procedures are just as bad, they're not. I've studied rape cases and the procedure for a long time and while I can't guarantee they are always followed but the standard processes are definitely more civil than what is described by this poor woman.
The major difference between the US and Korea is the standard of proof. The US does not require a woman to prove that she resisited (which is difficult). Korea makes a woman show that she forcefully resisted in order to prove rape which means often the man goes unpunished.
flower pig
Oct 21 2006, 09:53 PM
In theory, yes, the US system is much better. But police and, especially, juries act on their own prejudices -- there was a case a few years ago, in Texas I think, where a jury acquitted a man of rape because his victim had begged him to use a condom. And like I said, I personally have witnessed cases where authorities treated victims with criminal indifference -- one of my fellow students in university was a serial rapist who was never punished because his father was an important diplomat.
CheolSu
Oct 22 2006, 10:27 AM
QUOTE(flower pig @ Oct 21 2006, 09:53 PM)

In theory, yes, the US system is much better. But police and, especially, juries act on their own prejudices -- there was a case a few years ago, in Texas I think, where a jury acquitted a man of rape because his victim had begged him to use a condom. And like I said, I personally have witnessed cases where authorities treated victims with criminal indifference -- one of my fellow students in university was a serial rapist who was never punished because his father was an important diplomat.
That's so fu-ked up. I just fail to understand what these troglodytes are thinking. Maybe they think if she resists until dead or seriously injured and catches whatever horrible disease the rapist has, then it really is rape - and they'll sentence him to 3 years, parole in 6 months.
Takashi
Oct 22 2006, 10:40 AM
QUOTE(SantaKlaws @ Oct 13 2006, 06:49 AM)

Then she should've told the police officers that she's hurt very bad, like screaming in agony whenever making movements. But I doubt you can get such grievous wounds from a rape. You get a few slaps, or maybe some hits with the fist, you get fu-ked and that's pretty much it.
Depends on what you consider to be a grievous wound. Personally I consider tears in the vagina to be pretty damn grievous

Also depending on what the rape is actually performed with its possible for people to die from rape injuries.
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