You can probably relate to how frustrated I am then. Cuz I get really pissed off that I cant find out anything about my ancestors.

yes my situation was the result of wars and forced migrations , what is yours ?

Africans either being captured in war or sold by other Africans to traders and taken to the U.S. as slaves after being brought to the Carribean.

oh , so you must be talking about the 1800's cause I think thats when they banned slavery in the U.S ...

probably before the 1800s. At one point they made it illegal to get MORE slaves but slavery was still legal. I forgot the timeline I got it on my comp somewhere..but anyway there were people who still smuggled slaves in or bought them from spanish slave traders.

you're background is latin Carribean ? I don't know much about the Carribean , but I know alittle about US history.

95% of slaves taken from Africa to America passed through the carribean. some were there for a few generations.

I can trace my dad's bloodline back to Spain.
My mom is Black so all I know is that there were slaves..

Nope, they are not Han.. at least a large percentage of them They still call themselves "Tong Yahn" the result of Tang policy on mass Han migrations back in the 8th century ...



??? is a Manchu and supremicist ? Manchus don't even know their own language any more, Get your own country first before you bash others "Bac Man" ?
shame

what part of Africa were the majority of American slaves taken from? West africa?

Ya about 40% of the slaves were from West Africa which was the largest.

can u break down the other 60%?

my great grandmother was Manchu which makes me barely 1/16.

and Cantonese call themselves Tang ren because they did not migrate until the Tang Dynasty fell, they kept alot of the culture and customs(espcially poetry) of the Tang dynasty when they brought it to the south

whether you call yourself Han or Tang ren, it just means referring to the two best Chinese dynasties.

get some knowledge into that slopping Negrito skull of yours before you start ranting

It really depends on what you read or who you ask. There were so many slaves who died or were murdered on the voyages alone that its hard to get an accurate percentage. Records weren't kept so its hard to find out alot of information.

do you think all southeast asians are negritos?

Sure manchu boy , why is it then only cantonese call themselves Tong Yahn .. rewrite your own false history....get that through your thick manchu skull , you certainly won't be able to see it

mainland southeast asia is definitely negrito. i honestly cannot differentiate Negritos from Austronesians. they have the same rough nappy like hair, brown skin, wide nose, short legs, skulls that slop at 40 degree angle, and huge bulging eyes.

i've read many sources that simply claim that Austronesians are are admixtures of Austroloids, a group which includes Veddoids, Australians,
Negritos and Papuans; with Mongoloids.

the overwhelming majority of southeast asian languages belong to the Austro-Tai group and racial types are definitely Negrito mixed with some mongoloid

"get some knowledge into that slopping Negrito skull of yours before you start ranting"

Uh you do know Dai Nam Viet is 3/4 Hakka Chinese right?

As for the African frizzy hair, what the fu-k are you talking about? Vietnamese hair has always been straight. Vietnamese have always been classified as Mongoloid not austranoid.

http://www.traveltovietnam.com/guide/gener...thnicgroups.asp

"As far as anthropology is concerned, the Vietnamese people have their origin in the Mongoloid race, which is scattered throughout northern and eastern Asia.
At present, there are about 54 Ethnic minority groups inhabiting Vietnam."

And even if we were Austranoid, it doesn't give you the right to dehumanize Austranoids and make them seem like animals. Taking away their humanity like that is one of the worst things you can say to a human being. Hell I'm not even Austranoid and I'm still offended by your remarks dehumanizing them. I could have easily have made comebacks on Chinese dehumanizing them as animals with the problems that they have done in the past but I'm not gonna sink that low.

It's funny how you have to take other races looks to dehumanize them, when whites have been calling Mongoloids inferior and retarded due to their "chinsey eyes" and saying they look like they have down syndrome and were descended from people who have down syndrome. Doesn't sound nice right? Yet you just go right ahead and insult other races who we Vietnamese aren't even a part of.

Good luck on your Chinese orchestra music career or whatever, because your gonna need it after performing on the subway hoping passengers will drop coins into your case just like that Chinese music player who plays Chinese classical music in the subway were I use to go to school everyday with that Chinese instrument that resembles a violin(no joke).

lol it would be funny when Austranoids like Filipinos come up and drop change into his basket and start looking down on him. lol then who's the inferior one then? Yeah your notions of "the divine race" will end up on the subway tracks.

lol

I dunno about that.

lol Manchu? i'm barely 1/16 Manchu but if that is the only thing you can use against me, i don't mind being called Manchu

i place Manchu ideals on Hans? look at Chinese paintings throughout Chinese history, the ideal phenotype was light skin and slight features. It has nothing to do with Manchurians. Cantonese do have some Negrito in them but the overwhelming majority i know still have light skin

Vietnamese people are not of Mongolid descent. they are an admixture of Negrito with some Sinid/Mongolid traits. Viets have more Sinid/Mongolid than lets say...a Cambodian but a Negrito is still a Negrito

Who cares about being mixed with Negrito.....

If you are its probably no longer in your blood now.

Okay Manchu subway boy?

Dude, it's an Erhu...

LOL

OMG .

And I thought Vietnamese played the same instruments.

Northern Han are not more Han than Southern Han.

Edit: Byron, cantonese are NOT an ethnic minority.

Well whatever they are, I do know other people look down on them, I see other Chinese using the term "Dirty Catonese" all the time.

To the guy with 3 chinese characters: I don't care if you don't believe Vietamese are mongoloid because that's what anthropologist classify us as and we only moved to South East Asia very recently since 1750, when we conquered both the Chams and the Khmers and took their lands, we used to live in Southern China near the Yangtze river, we didn't move into South East Asia until 1750.

Who am I gonna believe? A street musician racist or an anthropolgist?

But of course I wouldn't expect a street musician racist to understand anything about history.

No we don't play that. Here is what we play.

http://www.oliversudden.com/Vietnam/PhamDu...instrument.html

Vietnamese Instruments

Dan Nguyet
Dating back to 8th-century northern Vietnam, the instrument's popularity quickly spread throughout the country. Known as the moon lute because its round resonator resembles a full moon, it has two strings and 8-to-12 frets.
Dan Tranh
A Vietnamese adaptation of the Chinese zheng, this 16-stringed zither is made with ngo dong, a flexible soft wood. Its strings rest on movable bridges made from wood or ivory.

Dan Bau or Dan Doc Huyen
This monochord instrument is uniquely Vietnamese and can be traced back to 7th-century northern Vietnam. The musician holds a bamboo pick in the right hand and plucks the steel string to obtain harmonics while the left hand moves a flexible handle carved out of buffalo horn to create the melody.

Dan Bau Tram
An extended version of the Dan Bau fitted with a thicker string to produce bass sounds.

Dan Bau Go
In 1966, at the age of ten, Pham Duc Thanh modified the classical Dan Bau by placing pieces of bamboo under the string and used a bamboo stick to strike the string at several intervals. He introduced this redesigned instrument to the country on Vietnamese TV in 1986.

Dan Goong
Originally played by the minorities of southwestern Vietnam, this tube-like instrument is made out a bamboo trunk 50 centimetres high and eight centimetres in diameter. Six strips of attached bark are used as strings; they are elevated by bamboo bridges and arranged to produce various pitches.

Dan Nhi Cao (Nhi 1)
Originally from the Guandong region of China, this two-string fiddle is similar to the Chinese gao hu. It is frequently used to accompany female singers.

Dan Nhi Trung (Nhi 2)
Similar to the Chinese erhu, this two-string fiddle is frequently used to accompany male singers.

Thanh La
A palm-size gong used in theatrical productions and ceremonial music.

Sinh Sua
Four 25.5cm x 7.5cm pieces of wood held two in each hand orginially from rural areas in central Vietnam.

Luc Lac
Resembling sleigh bells, this instrument is used to express joy.

Sinh Tien
A unique Vietnamese instrument, this coin clapper is made out of a hardwood with six old Vietnamese coins loosely attached by three screws.

Phach (Hat Van)
A woodblock played with two sticks of hardwood used in possession music of northern Vietnam.

Phach (Hue)
Two pieces of hardwood 20cm long used to accent measures in songs from central Vietnam.

Song Loan
A small cylindrical piece of hardwood and a spherical piece of wood fastened to a flexible metal clamp, this instrument creates a high-pitched sound when tapped by a foot.

Trong Trong
is the generic term for drum, of which there are many types in Vietnam. Drums are used to create both festive and solemn moods as well as to accompany the movements of actors on stage. Traditionally, a drum was used to mark the passing of time at night.

your people lived in the Yangtze river up until 1750? have you lost your mind, the Yangtze river valley is in central China and it has been sinicized since warring states period

what anthropologist is gonna believe that vietnamese people lived in Central China as late as 1750?

You misunderstood me. I said we began in the Yangtze River, then we started moving down to North Vietnam(Which is not a jungle, but a very mountaineous region).

Then in 1750, Vietianm started moving down to South East Asia which is South Vietnam.

The Yangtze River and the 1750 moving down to South East Asia are 2 separate events. The way I may have worded it above may sounded as if we moved straight from the Yangtze to South Vietnam in 1750.

The "Yue" who lived in southern China are very different than your "modern Vietnamese".

Of course. I actually DON'T mind if the guy with 3 chinese characters insults Vietnaemse, but can he at least use facts instead of making up things like we are Austranoids and Negritos whom we never even made contact with until the late 16th century and in the case of the Negritos we never made contact with them at all since they were extinct in main land south East Asia and only exist in the island countries.

It's one thing to bash a race, it's another to make up lies about them.

exactly, vietnam is called 越南 yue nan because it was south of the Yue kingdom just like the province Henan is south of the yellow river, it does not mean south river, it means south OF .



你有没有听过那么可笑的话？

[quote=Byron]You misunderstood me. I said we began in the Yangtze River, then we started moving down to North Vietnam(Which is not a jungle, but a very mountaineous region).[/QUOTE][/quote]
According to other Vietnamese members, your civilization started in the Red River delta

[quote=浪淘音][QUOTE=Kulong,Jun 25 2004, 01:51 PM] The "Yue" who lived in southern China are very different than your "modern Vietnamese".[/QUOTE]
exactly, vietnam is called 越南 yue nan because it was south of the Yue kingdom just like the province Henan is south of the yellow river, it does not mean south river, it means south OF .[/quote]
Some Viets like to link themselves to the 南越 Nanyue Kingdom because of the similarity in name

I don't know what your laughing about, but if you don't know anything about Vietnam then you shouldn't be laughing. Northern Vietnam is a very mountainous area, while the South is more of jungle terrain and one of the most fertile places in the world which has made Vietnam the 2nd largest rice exporter in the world with plenty of food.

To clear things up, all he said was "Have you ever heard of something so ridiculus?"

What does your comment have anything to do with the original "Yue" being different from modern Vietnamese or the name of Vietnam?

BTW, many Viet members here don't know much, or anything, about China but it doesn't stop them from making comments and opinions

Don't blame me if I can't guess accurately what he is trying to say.

He obviously wasn't talking to you as he knows you don't know Chinese. It's like when you Viets type in Vietnamese, you aren't directing your messages to any non-Viets

But anyway, that's getting off topic.

What was the original arguement?


What "racist comments" has he made? Also, why are you implying that ALL Chinese are doing something when it was one individual? I can easily point fingers at a specific Viet members and say "Vietnamese make racist comments"

First he assumes that Vietnamese are Austranesians and starts making fun of us calling us monkeys and neadarthals(even though Vietaemse have never been classifed as Austranesians).

Then after I politely tell him he is mistaken, he just keeps on with his same argument.

He should apoligize to the Filipinos,Malays and to some extent Cambodians who are mixed with Austranoids. He basically hurt those people trying to get at us.

I don't care if we were Austraneasians since that is nothing to be ashamed of, but what matters is the principle of making up false statements to try to harm another group of people.

This is pointless..dissing Viet and repeating it...

Quotes please...


"Politely"? Quotes?


Whatever happened, this is between you and him. Don't try to drag EVERY Chinese person into this


And I suppose you believe dissing Chinese isn't?

If you need quotes just click on page 9 and read down from there.

And I suppose once means you've never done it?

So if a SINGLE Viet member made a racist comment, it would be OK for someone to say "Vietnamese make racist comments"?

Aren't Vietnamese Mongoloid - Austronesian mixed?

Ok I made a typo. I meant to say "If A Chinese makes racist comments, etc." That statement was meant to Chinese individuals who are racist, not all Chinese are racist.

Why does the person's nationality or ethnic background even matter? is a Viet racist somehow better than a Chinese racist?

But whatever Flame wars are silly

Depends on what Vietnamese you are talking about. Vietnamese aren't homogeneous.

I'm sure there are Vietnamese who interbred with the Cham and the Khmer, but those are mainly restricted to South Vietnaemse. Northern Vietnaemse are pretty close to the Yue people and have not interbred that much. Very similar in genes but different culture to them.

Like how some Chinese interbred with others and others have not, not all Chinese are the same.

Just like not all Vietnamese are the same.

Yes, i know..



Hmm, i thought the Yue(t) people were Austronesians.

yue were racially related to other aboriginal people of the south like Zhuang, Miao, Yao

Maybe we can ask the Austranesian expert Dalawapo. lol

But I know for sure Vietnamese never seen negritos at all. Some Khmer tried to prove that we interbred with Negritos, but I showed him articles that showed that Negritos lived in different places than the Vietnaemse people at the time and the Negritos were extinct by the time we reached where they lived.

Actually Vietnamese never even knew Negritos existed until someone found remains of them in some cave in Vietnam in a land that we conquered.

So if someone calls us Negritos, then I guess by their logic everyone else is as well since we never had contact with them ever just like those who accuse us of being like them.

But even if we are austraneasians, I don't mind being called one. Nothing to be ashamed of.