Thai farmer: 'Thaksin helped us'
Hua Fai village in Thailand's Sankhamphaeng district, 700km north of Bangkok, was a direct beneficiary of the policies that won ousted Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra strong support among the rural poor.
Patrawat Kantason, a 21-year-old farmer, describes the shock in the village at the coup and the lingering uncertainty about the future.




Patrawat Kantason would like to see Thaksin Shinawatra return
I am a farmer. I work in the field growing rice but I also feed two dozen cows and a dozen ducks too.

We found news of the military coup to unseat Thaksin unbelievable.

Villagers here have no fear of the military because the coup happened in Bangkok. There are no army checkpoints near here, our daily life goes on as normal.

The only big change is that we cannot talk about politics in groups of more than five people

I'm not sure how long the military junta will stay, but I know that the villagers would choose Thaksin to serve them again in the next election.

I feel the same way.

Sad for Thaksin


Most of the people in my community feel so sad for Thaksin's fate. Some think that the military may be doing this to unify Thai society.

I think that after his family sold his business without paying tax and the news spread wide through the media, Thaksin became unpopular, even though he did his best for the poor before this.

That was is his false step

We villagers in these rural areas want our old prime minister back in any upcoming election

For my family, the work that we do with cows and field agriculture is our livelihood. Thaksin had promised to increase the price of raw milk from about 12 baht to 16 baht per unit. It was to be done by next month, but Thaksin has gone now.

Thaksin gave us the chance to have so much. His "30 baht" healthcare scheme for all citizens gave villagers access to public health services at low cost.

Before Thaksin's government, there were no healthcare policies for people at the grassroots. There was social security for salary men in factories and offices.


Patrawat's family set up a milk business with money from credit schemes
So when we had to see the doctor, we had to pay a lot of money. Today, we only pay 30 baht ($0.80/£0.50).

Because of Thaksin's credit schemes for people in agriculture, my father could borrow 30,000 baht to develop a cow milk business.


From the funds that came to our village, our community managed to build a water supply for every household in the village. There are only 100 houses here.

Their policies helped us so much.

Hard work

Farming work is hard. We get up at 5am to milk cows and sell 20kg of raw milk in town.

Then we work in the paddy field from 8am to 3pm. After that we milk the cows again and return to town to sell the raw milk to a co-operative. We finally finish work at 6pm. We needed such help.


Patrawat works the field for much of the day
Nowadays, villagers don't just grow rice. We need to do more for survival and to have a better income. For example, we also grow vegetables, flowers, keep animals or work in service sectors, on a construction site or in a factory.

So, we villagers in these rural areas want our old prime minister back in any upcoming election.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/5398186.stm

anything or anyone outside Bangkok is insignificant. who cares about poor farmers, they are ill educated and as gullible as sheep according to a forumer. they cant think for themselves, they dont know what they want so they need educated ruling class to think and speak for them.

Thanks for the article .. interesting read.

It'll be something the new government will need to do, STOP NEGLECTING rural people.

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Some of the poor one is waiting for help without doing any things
The goverment need to help the poor to help them selve ,many of the farmer is follow the sufficient economic and they not poor.

watdee krub. all your allegations came from one and only source, fat sondhi and co. and without a doubt, you believe those accusations wholeheartedly. so i was wondering, what actally differs you from those poor farmers, in your own words 'easily to believe on things'? i honestly dont see any difference between you and the poor farmers who are so much looked down upon by many people in this forum.

I don't cause parts of my family are those rural farmers.

I not mention that the coup is good but it need to be done.


The idea of democracy is to solve things by talking but in the situation like ;
The south almost separate
Flooding in north
Only hope were given to Esarn
People almost fight in BKK

Why not?

How can talking and voting solving the problem

i know you hate thaksin (a person) but please dont hate the system (democracy). u think a coup could solve all those problems and democracy cant so be it. you are entitled to your opinion.

Khun Arroi,

As many people know, this coup is a dirty plotted by the elite class in Bangkok (Gen. Prem and his child). They used Khun Sonthi to accused Thaksin (without any evidence), then make a turmoil, finally they use force to ovethew the elected government.

Everything have been planned before.

Because they knew. the rural people support Thaksin (Because Thaksin help them so much and from these why I am voted for him, because he help the poor). If there is an general election, Thaksin will win (more than 70%)
The coup is only way to get rid off him and they can ignore the poor voice.

This is the most dirty coup I ever seen.

They can not win the Poor's government, gun is only way that the elite class can win.


Thaksin is like Robin Hood in some kind. He robed the rich and help the poor. This is why the elite class in Bangkok hate him. He is the only Prime Minister in our history who help the poor so much.

I think the poor peole have their right to vote for people who help them. They can think by themself what is good for them.



They're not so clever like Mr. AEROFORCE1. They think who help them, then they vote for that guy who help them.

lol robin hood eh? SO you think its proper to steal from government and embarass the political system so you can gain the support of people who dont know how the system works??

Thats called systematized pragmatics, buddy. Thats NOT what we need.

Thaksin was EXTREMELY corrupt. Personally, as a person who once thought Thaksin was 'alright'..until I found out about the scandals he was involved in--his law suit 'scandals' and his profiteering is just down right outrageous.

Thaksin, being an ELITE CLASS himself, has no right to blame or point fingers on the 'elite' you so talk about.

TOTAL HYPOCRISY

Sirikittong, Please find an evidence to support what you accusation.

Accuse someone is easy, prove is difficult.

Thaksin is elected by majority (more than 70%, and this is fact). What is accuse him never have any evidence or prove.

Your belove junta is use the gun to overthew the elected government.
I know you are come from military family. That is why you are support the coup.

I come from the farmer family. Thay is why I am support Thaksin like 70% of the rural people vote for him.
Your class can not gain a power with vote. That is the reason for this coup.

By make the next election have no leader of the poor ( 70% rural people and some middle class in Bangkok vote for Thaksin, even now) and Thaksin can not run for election. Then the poor people can not vote for the Prime Minister who they love and need. So the elite class can control Thailand by make their great enemy stay aboard.

The dirty plot I ever seen.

(1) The man Thaksin won the elections, by majority vote, landslide. Except his landslide was tainted by massive vote buying and he came into office tainted by 'hidden assets' allegations. Anyway Thaksin was allowed to rule because he promised: He will wipe out corruption in Thailand once and for all.

(2) Turns out Thaksin was even more corrupt than any of his predecessors including ex-military rulers. He was blatantly corrupt. And to perpetrate his corruption he suborned consitutional checks & balances and intimidated his critics, muzzllng Thailand's newspapers and media. Getting arrogant and cocky, he engineered the biggest ever 'conflict of interest' sale of family assets, a whopping Bht 73 billion tax-free deal. This was the straw the broke the camel's back and the Thais demanded a public accounting of the deal and scrutiny into the Shinawatra assets.

© Thaksin refused to submit himself to any public accounting . . he avoided parliamentary censure . . he called a dubious snap election to avoid parliament/senate scrutiny but election was later on declared illegal and a constitutional mess followed after that.

(d) Mass public protests set demanding Thaksin to submit himself to a judicial inquiry into his assets or resign. Thaksin refused both.

(e) Intent on clinging to power for life, Thaksin & cronies plotted to provoke violence and bloodshed in a big public protests planned and Thaksin was going to declare state of national emergency, declare martial law in effect. General Sondhi averted the bloodshed by declaring a counter-coup and the rest is history.

(f) So the Thais are back to square one but they have avoided the danger of Thaksin. The Thais gave up a Democracy 'corrupted' by Thaksin and now we shall rewrite a new Consitution that will prevent a return of any Thaksin wannabes.


ADITIONALLY, My family belongs to this so called 'ELITE' that you like to condemn, and believe me--long have the military stood idly--watching Thaksin make a mockery of the king and the political standing. Thaksin, was unpopular and abhored by the educated class--and the students who knew the process of economics knew how he worked--and abhored it--notice how many students took part in the anti-thaksin protests.

Thaksin's protesters were all poor and unedcuated---who were easily influenced by his BRIBERY.

This is a REASON WHY THAILAND NEEDS TO INCREASE OUR EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM!!!!!!

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Khun Smile, i suggest you change your name to frown, because you sure as helll are not making us 'smile'.

More like 'annoying' us.

You havent even refuted any of my points. Your incongruous statements are very ambiguous--as you keep on talking about how the rural folks supported Thaksin. We are verily aware of that. We also know that about 10 million thais voted---now...if you think about it..that means that about 60 million kon thais were not able to vote. How can you claim any legitimacy when only 70% of the tallied 14% of the total population voted? Rather inconsequential, if you ask me.

Thaksin was a corrupt, dirty, businessman-turned politician. His power hungry nature--his ill respect to the king, to the military, his idle nature and inensitive view to the southern debacle negated his administration.

His regime's collapse was consequentially, necessary.

"massive vote buying and he came into office tainted by 'hidden assets' allegations. Anyway Thaksin was allowed to rule because he promised: He will wipe out corruption in Thailand once and for all.:

Sirikittong do not tell a lie with the half truth. Every party in Thailand use money for vote buying.
Vote buying is only one factor. It is not the whole truth. Policy that support the poor people and keep what he promised to the poor people is the great factors.

I born and work in the rural area for long. You heard the half truth from Thaksin enemy. Your background is the rich family and never been sleep in any village. You do not understand what the poor people in rural area.

The rich guy who live aboard like you just heard from rumor that create by Thaksin enemy.



Sirikittong a farmer's son like me still have a good chance to completed my first degree in Political science and master degree in Econmics and have been worked in rural area for long.

So I think I am in good position to understand politics and I never look down the people.
I think I see the truth than you are.

On the contary, my dear friend. My family has connections to the military, my grandfather is a retired Lieutenant General of the Royal Thai Army; served over 40 years in the service of His Majesety's 3rd Army. Many of my uncles serve in the armed forces as well; and any information we have comes strictly from the chain of command--unbiased and untainted by protestors or liberalist news media found here in the west.

Secondly, I know how it is like to live poor--as my mother's family is from chiang rai/nong khai; however it is also possible to rise up to society with education. My mother went to medical school and and is a physician here in the 'states. PROOF TO THE FACT that even the so called 'poor' can make a difference. However, i have no sympathy for those who take bribes outright--without understanding the phenomena of national processes.

That is down right closed minded and vindicative on your part.


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Back to the subject. So about corruption..so it makes it perfectly acceptable that THAKSIN BRIBED--because everyone does it right? Is that how you think? 'oh its okay because pratap does it..then i can do it as well..why not...'

That kind of thinking is DANGEROUS for Thailand. I know of our corrupt political system--this is the reason why THIS coup had to have occured. In order to solve and weed out a poisonous tree, you must DIG DEEP and RIP ITS ROOTS out.

That is why you are support the coup.
That is a dirty. You have benefit from this coup.

Sirikithong, I am not uneducated people. I understand the world than you. I think my educated is not lower than you. (except english) I am not young. What I said is form my dirct experince. I saw it from myself. I do not heard from the others like you. Your just heard what your parent tell you. Your are still a boy.

Even your father is a General I still not respect to his idea. I serve for the government nealy 20 years. My experence is my own.

I do not belive in soldier. What they think is the people is stupid and they should rule the country by gun.

Sirikithong, Your backgroud make your comment have no credit.

I think the world never belive in a Burmese General's son talk why burma should rule by military.

A general's son support a coup and talk a good thing about the coup and why is it importance. Only a stupid guy to belive that boy.

I never doubt why you are support the coup and never unserstand democracy.

Be well, A General's son.

lol you're making assumptions are letting your raw feelings take control of you. I suggest you think and re-read your post, khun. 5555555

Burma's military isnt even being debated here--i dont know how that relates to the subject matter.

khun Siritittong,ccn you read Thai?

I can understand and read it.

But I refrain from responding in Thai because this is an English web board.

I will write to you in Thai but you can talk with me in English .Ok?

คุณSirikittong คิดว่าข้อกล่าวหาข้อ1-Fข้อใดร้ายแรงที่สุดในการทำปฏิรูปครั้งนี้

koon Sirikittong kít wâa kôr glàao hăa kôr 1-F kôr dai ráai raeng têe sòot nai gaan tam bpà-dtì-rôop kráng née

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Reform is necessary, and I know that such great power has to be oragnized and it should be secured with the rewritten constitution so that no other coups would be needed/ so that no other corrupt officials come to power again. There has to be some kind of checks and balances to our system. ตายใจ in this future, my friend.

คุณสงสัยคุณทักษิณเรื่องคอรัปชั่นเรื่องอะไรบ้าง
ไม่ถามเรื่องประเภทซื้อสิทธิ์ขายเสียงนะ ปิดกั้นการตรวจสอบก็ไม่เอา ไม่เอาประเด็นนั้น
ขอถามว่าคุณคิดว่าทักษิณขายชาติ ฮุบสมบัติชาติหรือไม่ อย่างไร เอาด้านทรัพย์สินของครอบครัวเขานะครับ คุณว่ามันมีที่มาไม่ถูกไม่ควรอย่างไร โกงกินอย่างไร
ขอเป็นข้อๆครับ

Good points, khun. You have your own view points. And although sometimes I may disagree with you, you are entitled to that.

I can understand why you are so suspicious--it is the Thai way. Its apparent that i cannot change your view, let us just acknowledge each other's views. Respect mine, and I will respect yours.

kŏr bpen kôr kráp
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Khun khamphoon,

He can not do what you ask him for. Because everything he talked come from Khun Sinthi Limtongkul of manager online. He can accuse Thaksin all day but he cannot prove any of it.

He is just a boy. What he said is not his word? He got it from anti-Thaksin propaganda which secretcy support by Gen. Prem and his clan.

He is a General's son. May be a "Luk Pa" group.

I didn't want to get involve but khun Smile you too are making assumptions without any proof about Sirikittong.

"He is just a boy. What he said is not his word? He got it from anti-Thaksin propaganda which secretcy support by Gen. Prem and his clan.

He is a General's son. May be a "Luk Pa" group"

There are no evidence as of yet because they are still investigating. The problem alot of people have with Thaksin is that he created a barrier against oppositions so that they COULDN'T contest the elections. He had created and implemented alot of good policies for the general good of Thai people - but the signs were showing that he was turning into another Marcos. I know that you support Thaksin because he gave alot of attention to the rural people - I too thought that was one of his positives but, you say all the other politicians buy votes - does that mean it is okay that he did?

Does the end justifies the mean?

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restart the thread - cut out all this bull$hit about personal backgrounds and stop being childish while sticking to the facts and points.

"He had created and implemented alot of good policies for the general good of Thai people - but the signs were showing that he was turning into another Marcos."
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restart the thread - cut out all this bull$hit about personal backgrounds and stop being childish while sticking to the facts and points.



I don't want you to watch ASTV ,Sondhi,and read the manager online news too much.
It's not that good to your brain. I mean you may be the victim of the brainwash organization like The Manager Group.


I don't see any new Marcos but there are only elite group,junta and martial law.


The old soldier never die.

The democracy is only work when we got enough time to vote and discuss ,by the time like the coup is needed cuz too many problem and no time
With the background of gen Surayud and his team ,they are ok for the situalation like this

I know you dont like it this way the coup kill democracy.But can Thaksin prove him selve that he not corupt?

He not shows the evidance that he is not corupt though

Oh! guy I'm not belive there is people like you in this world.

Based on your theory, Gen. Surayut, Gen. Prem, is extremely corrupt too. They never show evidence that they are not corupt.

You too, you never show any evidence that you are not corupt.

Everyone is muderer, because they can not show evidence that they are not murder.

You are not like an educated people.
Your idea have no ground.

You dont make sense--you're a total hypocrisy. Your arguments apply to you.

The publict just suspect that Thaksin is corupt. And he still been suspected cuz he cant show any evidance to prove him selve.
In the other word in justice system if the one who been blame cant show the evidance that he is not the wrong doer ,he/she still been suspect.

THAKSIN IS CORRUPT.

HIS GOVERNMENT WAS CORRUPT.

HE IS GONE.

AEROFORCE1, you are accused him. It's your who have to find an evidence. He refused every accusation that make from his enemy. His enemy have to show the evedence what they said is too.

Sirikithong, you can not show any evidence that I accused you're who come from the extremely corrupted military family too.

You just quiet. That's mean you accept what I said before.Wiki

@ Siri I think we should not waste our time on this nonesense stuffs ,I dont mind to talk with Khampoon or Aroi because both of them come with the good point. I dont mind the good debate. Not about talking about the evidance bull$hit ,it not our job.

He gone by the coup who accused him without evidence, Boy.

You are a General's son who try to propaganda to the world how the coup is good for Thailand.
I never belive the world will accept your propaganda.

You have no credit to tell the truth.

Yaa..i agree with you khun. Reading his post just gets me tired and bored.

Interesting, I did not know that he helped the poor.

he didnt help the poor--he BRIBED the poor. Policies were already underway to modernize and uplift the rural areas.

You help the rural people by encouraging them--with projects--so that they can in turn help themselves in the future. You dont continuously give them money etc etc--to the point that they follow you for money. Thats not helping them--but only hurting them in the long run. Like I said, Thaksin thought only on the short term.

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Reasons of Thaksin's Fall:

Feb. 21 2001 - Thaksin Shinawatra was in his favorite situation last week: declaring victory. The superconfident prime minister of Thailand stood before television cameras to announce that he had handily won the country's Feb. 6 parliamentary election—just minutes after the voting booths had closed. "The numbers are more than enough to establish a one-party government," he boasted, citing exit polls. Thaksin's cockiness—as much as the fact that his ruling Thai Rak Thai Party had, in fact, scored the biggest election victory in the country's history, winning more than 350 out of 500 seats—was more than his opponents could bear. "He's as arrogant as ever," sighs Surin Pitsuwan, a senior member of the main opposition Democrat Party. "It's not very Thai."

His Majesty

In his majesty’s birthday speech on December 5th 2005, held at the royal grounds or “Sanam Luang”; king Bhumphol Adulyadej has criticised the prime minister over the lack of ethical leadership of the nation and also addressed the growing culture of greed and materialism. Prime Minister Thaksin has been advised by the country's revered king on 05/02/2005 to be more open to criticism. The king spoke at length that Sunday in his annual birthday speech about Thaksin's inability to handle criticism, adding that even the king has made mistakes, and it is better to know if one has erred.

"Anyone in a very high-profile position must be able to take criticism lightly," the king said in the speech, which was broadcast on radio and television and lasted more than an hour.

He also reminded Thaksin, who is one of Thailand's richest men, to think before speaking and not to act on his emotions, otherwise he would regret it later. He acknowledged making many mistakes before he became king, but seldom afterward because he was cautious.

"If I weren't careful, I would probably be dead already. This is the nature of politics or being in the public eye," he said. Thaksin, who has filed massive lawsuits against his critics, should not sue them because it will only cause him further problems, the king added.

The most recent target of Thaksin's ire has been outspoken publisher Sondhi Limthongkul, who has stirred up the biggest political crisis facing the prime minister in his nearly five years in power. At mass rallies, Sondhi has accused Thaksin of corruption, abuse of power and disrespect for the monarchy. The public clearly understood this speech to be a reference to the way in which the prime minsters runs the country. Prior to that, in 2003, he showed even greater dissatisfaction when he refused to sign a bill on education reform, sending it back to parliament, for minor flaws, for the first time in history. Although his signing of bills is merely ceremonial, it was seen as a major rebuke to Mr. Thaksin's government. The king has rarely intervened in politics, but in recent years, he has used the speech to make thinly veiled criticisms of the government — specifically of the prime minister.

Thailand Thaksin’s company

Before getting any deeper into what caused popular discontent there are the grassroots of uneasiness over the way in which Thaksin Shinawatra has ruled the country. Many critics has labeled him as running the kingdom of Thailand as a company, where the ‘owners’ seek profits and where only those who keep the system running are rewarded for their efforts. This phenomenon has been described as “Thaksinomics”.

*Thaksin Quote: "We must accept that the global economic landscape in the new millennium is much different than in preceding decades."

*Thaksin Quote: “Where in the world is a single-party government called a dictatorship? What's wrong with it when people have faith in me?”

Apart from the economical aspects there are other sensitive issues and not merely one of them is the unrest in the south, the pressure of the free press and numerous scandals ranging from airport scanners to the use of public aviation materials for private parties.

Disease

Thaksin’s handling of the bird flu outbreak was another milestone in the demise of proper public information and further exposed the protection of his crownies and his friends in the poultry industry. What so many feared was that it was known that mysteriously chickens in factories died but it was kept secret from the public because it was feared it would bare economic consequences and some of his supporters were those big players in the poultry industry.

The harshest rebuke was delivered by the European Union whose statement virtually accused the Thai government of resorting to lies to protect the country's highly lucrative industry of chicken exports. Thailand is Asia's largest exporter of chickens.

''Given the unfolding events in Thailand on 27 January 2006, the admission by the Thai prime minister that things were not as the public was led to believe, an independent verification of these measures and its impact in Thailand will have to take place,''

''In these circumstances of non-transparency and complete reliance on Thai assurances does not seem to be the best way to go forward. We believe credibility and trust can only be rebuilt by confidence-building measures,'' added the EU.

*Thaksin Quote: “The guy was infected with bird flu because he took a sick chicken, slaughtered it and then ate it,”

Tax for the plain people

Anger is also directed at tax evasion when Mr Thaksin sold his telecommunications empire, the Shinawatra Corporation, to a Singapore company for 73.3 billion Thai baht (more than €1,5 billion) without paying any tax, due to a loophole in the law. This was one of the most shameless acts of Thaksin. Not only were noodle vendors surprised that they do pay tax over the noodles they sell at the roadside, but it is the main link to which university professors, students and intellectuals, the middle class and the poor began to attach this act as ‘unethical’. It testifies of the greed of a man already so rich he could literally spend 10 baht per second.

*Thaksin Quote: As of Sept. 30, 2005, the tax collection alone showed a surplus of 60 billion baht, even after taking into account the midyear supplementary spending,”

Bluntness

What Thaksin is often blamed of is his supposed disrespect to the monarch and his un-buddhist persuit of running the nation as if it was a business with stocks and shares. Also he’s been accused of bluntness and his lack of sensitivity and human interaction. Another sore is his alleged ‘selling out’ of Thailand; the FTA (Free Trade Agreement) with the USA and the continuing privatization of for example EGAT (Electricity Generating Authority of Thailand), and the ongoing liberalization of businesses and ministerial departments such as that of the ministry of education.

*Thaksin Quote: “The government is humbly taking the advice of His Majesty the king to use the gentle approach and allow local participation in resolving the problem,

Victory over a bloody campaign

The ‘successful’ war on drugs a signature campaign of the Thai Rak Thai party has been described by many human rights watchers as ‘dubious and bloody’. So many people have been killed in this campaign. Worries arise over extrajudicial killings and arbitrary arrests. [Link to US-Department]

Public transportation and infrastructure

More and more Bangkokians and people in rural Thailand are getting frustrated over the delay of progress in public works. Extensions of subways and sky trains become more and more desirable for Bangkok commuters and residents as Bangkok streets are clogged and the need for clean transportation expands. Ironically though the prime minister, over a row with Bangkok governor Aphirak, has delayed the extension of the sky train from Sapan Taksin to the Wong Wian Yai intersection, across the Chao Phraya-river. A delay which causes many commuters to be stuck on the infamous Taksin-bridge (named after a king not after the PM) or as other option squeeze themselves in ponds and ferries or other unreliable sorts of boats.

*Thaksin Quote: “I’m commuting and rotating around in the region.”

Deterioration of living environment

Pollution is on the rise in major industrial cities across Thailand. Mining companies and those chemical factories have once again been guilty of spills and dumping waste. As was reported in the news recently; those companies were intoxicating rice paddies in Tak province and in other provinces there were scams of waste dump.

As Thailand’s economy expands Thailand’s resources are more under pressure. Logging in national parks, elephants on Bangkok streets … they’re just few of the many example of Thailand’s environmental deterioration. Under the current administration there’s little to no attention for these problems. As major cities boom, and population expands, water shortages continue. Take Chiang Mai or Pattaya, for example, one cannot just ignore the huge water problems in the forested northern town of Chiang Mai or in the popular seaside resort town of Pattaya. As construction continues to wriggle throughout Thailand, irrigation and draining remains in a poor state, Thailand will face greater problems to nourish its people with the life source being water.

*Thaksin Quote: Natural rubber is but one of the many natural resources that are found in abundance in our diversely rich region. Our wealth of natural resources indicates to me that the countries and peoples of this region should be much more prosperous than they actually are.”

Sources: 1)Greenleft Weekly Organization 2) World Association for Christian Communication, 3) Quotations of Thaksin Shinawatra by thinkexist.com, 4) Time Asia Magazine, The Common Touch. Jan. 31, 2005, by Michael Schuman | Baan Dongsaensuk, 5) The Washington Times: Monarchy at crossroads by Julie Chao

Yes, it is. You can go to ask any poor people in Thailand.
They don't have any chance to show the world.

That is the reason he won a majority more than 70%. The rural people and poor people in Bangkok support him. The elite class in Thailand have no any way to gain a power by an election.

The gun is only way to win the poor people.






This is a General's son in military family views. He tries to make this coup ligitimacy.

If Thaksin BRIBED the POOR. He bribed by his policy to help them.

If you call this is the bribed.

Wrong again. only 14% of the people of Thailand voted and out of that 14%, 70% were in support of Thakky. I do not count that vote as a legitimate vote because in all accuracy, only 9.8% of the population in Thailand voted.

Reasons for that:

1) Thaksin closed parliament
2) Called for immediate voting--and not enough time to distribute voting polls
3) Thaksin bribed thousands upon of thousands of rural poor to vote for him


As a result of this, only 14% of the people voted.

Does the world count this a legitimate victory when only 1/10th of the people vote? ABSOLUTELY NOT.

ABSOLUTELY NOT.




5555555 you're not even refuting any of my points, buddy.

You ask for reasons and for proof--im giving you one--and trust me--western media sides with me on this.

Perhaps its too much for an uneducated rural person for you to understand

Go back to the rice field, khun. You dont belong in politics or in national decisions. You leave that to the educated class.


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THAKSIN SU SU

[quote name='Sirikittong' date='Oct 16 2006, 07:05 AM' post='2396558']
Wrong again. only 14% of the people of Thailand voted and out of that 14%, 70% were in support of Thakky. I do not count that vote as a legitimate vote because in all accuracy, only 9.8% of the population in Thailand voted.


Do you have a quote, Boy?
No you have not.

You can not use all of population to calculate that percentile.
Thailand population is 65 millions, include a people under 18 years of age. They have no right to vote. there are 35 millions can vote and 26 million went to vote in the last election ( April 2, 2006), 16.5 million vote for Thaksin (the former election, 18 millions voted for him).

Boy, please checks some data before express your view. You can double check my data in an Election Commitee website(www.ect.go.th).

Please do not tell a lie to the world.

Even if what you say is true only 37% of the people voted. And out of that 37%, 70% was pro thakky.

Overall, if statistics proves me right--only 25.9% of the people voted for pro thakky.

Wheres the other 75%???

lol!

Think about that, farmer's son.

This isnt the farm--remember. We're not dealing about the rice output--and the waterbuffalo's weight. 5555

We're dealing about national policy here. Maybe its time for you to retire and work in the farm--maybe you'll like it better there

i remember listening to some old german dude banging on about how hitler had increased the standard of life in germany.
many italians like mussolini as he did a lot of good for the countryside.

It's difference, bro. Hitler and musolini make war with the world and they lose war.

I heard an English talk about how UK economy is good in Tony Blair government.

Thaksin is come from en election like Blair.
Why you are compare him with Hitler?

How bias you are. Why don't you let people make decision through an election.
It will happend in October If there is no coup.

If you believe he is corrupted. You can campaign against him in that general election. If you can show people he is really corrupted. He will lose the election. If you have evidence. You can bring him to the Court.

You don't have it. That is why you are use gun?

i am biased. no doubt. just like everyone else. especially poor farmers who dont know better and are bought out. they are the most biased of all.
blai didnt go out to the coutryside and find ignorant (no offence) farmers and make unrealistic promises and buy them off with some small cash. blair hasnt been involved with shady dealing and looking after his own family at the cost of the country.....now whos making a bad comparison?
yes it was a unfair comparison but i made it to show that even the most evil of leaders can still have support. i wasnt saying that thaksin is comparable to hitler....i was just showing that because someone has support doent mean $hit.,

Thaksin is no different.

His War on Drugs--left over 2,000 people dead.

His position in the south left thousands of southern thai and military men dead.

Smile, is so hypocritical. But what can we expect from a farmer's son with no education.

Yes, it 's, people like you easily look down the poor.

That is a true story about this coup.

Finally, If the gun is your way.
How civilize you are, Boy.

This is your real attitude.
You are not a majority in Thailand. Your view is an elite class.

Your words and your annoying actions deserve my judgement. You are who you portray yourself--and you do not deserve my respect at all.

Yes. I do look down on you. Not because of your poor-commoner background, but because you cannot prove any of your points. You only claim and state things--and cry 'biasry' against your opponents, yet at the same time--you cannot even prove any of your points.

Bonkdady, aero, and myself have posted our views and gave backed information--you on the other hand--do not give supporting detail.

Perhaps your inept and cannot comprehend or fathom what we are trying to say? Perhaps so.

Its apparent that you lack education--or an understanding of different views.

That s right has support doesnt mean any $hit ,the more important things that we need is to make sure that the one on the top can work well and not corupt

Why didn't anyone think people actually voted for TRT because they didn't the government by the other big party ?

Poor people can learn their lessons. They can compare the previous party's work with the TRT's works. Even stupid people can tell what's good for them. I actually heard it on my own ears that the rural people say BEFORE Thaksin's government, THEY HAD NO JOBS...and noone solved their problems.

If the Thaksin is not any good, why the coup's government still maintain most of his policies ?

And let's think. IF there was no Thaksin AT ALL at the first place, do you think those old corrupting policians would be able to come up with these policies ? They are just old, stupid, lazy, corrupting policians who do nothing but curruptions. *yurk*

Whose word have no prove? Boy.
You acused Thaksin's government without any prove. I'm show the world the other side of the coin. You tried to propaganda and lie to the world what's happend in Thailand.

You are look like a General's son in Burmese army who lie to the world how military government in Burma is good for Burmese.

I thinks the foreigner who read this forum will understand what I said.
I don't think people like you will understand it.

You get angry because you can not lie and propaganda easily.

Will the world belive a General'son or Farmer's son about this coup?

I think they are clever enough? Boy?
You failed to propaganda.
You can ignore me. Who's care?
The world can see two sides of a coin.