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lovelytruth


i.d like to learn about Vietnamese history.I have no idea about it really.So sorry it is my bad,i hope Vietnamese friends can help a little bit about it.Tnk you biggrin.gif
SoCal
The biggest empire in Vietnamese history is the current country.

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Please do not mistake the above map of present Viet Nam

to the past Nam Viet. Nam Viet was an area that consisted of

several tribes, including the Vietnamese tribe, back in the ancient time.

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Happy Asian
Dai Viet

At the moment VietNam is not an empire.
SoCal
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vipkk
QUOTE(lovelytruth @ Oct 14 2006, 12:47 AM) *

i.d like to learn about Vietnamese history.I have no idea about it really.So sorry it is my bad,i hope Vietnamese friends can help a little bit about it.Tnk you biggrin.gif


Vietnamese were a peace loving people, our ancestors didn't want to conquer other people's territories just for the sake of creating an empire. But when faced with population growth pressure, and attacks from the Champa kingdom in the south, and constant threats from the north, our forefathers had no choice but to expand to the south.

This expansion was largely due to internal rivalry between two powerful clans, the Trinhs in the north and the Nguyens in the south, with the Nguyen lords eventually took control of the Champa and Khmer kingdoms to establish their own power base in the south to counterweigh the Trinh's influence in the north.

Of course the whole territory of Vietnam just could not be compared with Genghis Khan's enormous Mongolian empire. Putting aside historical animosity resulting from Mongolian attempts to invade our country in the 13th century, personally I have great respect for Genghis Khan who established the greatest empire the world's ever known in the 13th century. Long live Mongolia-Vietnam friendship! beerchug.gif
SoCal
QUOTE(vipkk @ Oct 13 2006, 11:19 PM) *

Long live Mongolia-Vietnam friendship! beerchug.gif


Yep, Mongolia and Vietnam are not that far from each other.

Only one country separates Mongolia and Vietnam. biggrin.gif

Hail to Mongolia-Vietnam Friendship biggrin.gif
lovelytruth
ok tnk u for the info' icon_smile.gif
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IKnow
QUOTE(vipkk @ Oct 13 2006, 10:19 PM) *

Vietnamese were a peace loving people, our ancestors didn't want to conquer other people's territories just for the sake of creating an empire. But when faced with population growth pressure, and attacks from the Champa kingdom in the south, and constant threats from the north, our forefathers had no choice but to expand to the south.



If you're really into knowledge seeking, then your meaningless generality disappointed me.
Let me help you to be more introspective:
Could *all* vietnamese "peace loving"?
Must be an unusal concept of peace and loving.
You know all your ancestors' minds?
How would your version of southern expansion agree with the version by Champa and Khmer?

Be more objective, a romantic notion of your heritage is okay, but keep that romantic, don't turn myths or folklores into history facts.
vipkk
QUOTE(IKnow @ Oct 14 2006, 10:24 AM) *

If you're really into knowledge seeking, then your meaningless generality disappointed me.
Let me help you to be more introspective:
Could *all* vietnamese "peace loving"?
Must be an unusal concept of peace and loving.
You know all your ancestors' minds?
How would your version of southern expansion agree with the version by Champa and Khmer?

Be more objective, a romantic notion of your heritage is okay, but keep that romantic, don't turn myths or folklores into history facts.


My apologies. It would have been more objective and fair-minded to say the majority of ordinary Vietnamese were peace loving people, while there were some Vietnamese Kings and officials with expansionist tendencies and view points to serve their own interests. The Champa and Khmer people suffered when Vietnamese pushed southward and took their lands. Perhaps Vietnamese paid for their forefathers' so called "sins & crimes" when Vietnam suffered the same fate under French colonial rule.
IndochinaFederation
I don't believe in this. thumbsdown.gif

QUOTE(vipkk @ Oct 14 2006, 07:02 PM) *

Perhaps Vietnamese paid for their forefathers' so called "sins & crimes" when Vietnam suffered the same fate under French colonial rule.

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