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Ralf
QUOTE(Majapahitans @ Jan 29 2009, 12:06 AM) [snapback]4105076[/snapback]
.... I think this is based from Minangkabau's proverb: "Dimano bumi dipijak, disiko langie' dijunjuang / Dimana bumi dipijak, disitu langit dijunjung." to emphasize all Minang Perantauan (Diaspora Minang) where ever they life to respect and honor the native customs while also maintaining their own Minang customs.

This seems to be a kind of precursor of "Unity in diversity".
It appears there is a traditional context for modern Indonesia.
malaccan
QUOTE(Majapahitans @ Jan 28 2009, 01:06 PM) [snapback]4105076[/snapback]
Amen sista.... beerchug.gif embarassedlaugh.gif

Sista? shifty.gif

QUOTE(Majapahitans @ Jan 28 2009, 01:06 PM) [snapback]4105076[/snapback]
I think this is based from Minangkabau's proverb: "Dimano bumi dipijak, disiko langie' dijunjuang / Dimana bumi dipijak, disitu langit dijunjung." to emphasize all Minang Perantauan (Diaspora Minang) where ever they life to respect and honor the native customs while also maintaining their own Minang customs.
I didn't know it comes from Minangkabau... but wouldn't be surpised as they are renowned 'perantau's aren't they.


Majapahitans
QUOTE(malaccan @ Feb 3 2009, 06:31 PM) [snapback]4114158[/snapback]
Sista? shifty.gif


hehehe I just kiddin with ya...
okay then... brotha... beerchug.gif


QUOTE(malaccan @ Feb 3 2009, 06:31 PM) [snapback]4114158[/snapback]
I didn't know it comes from Minangkabau... but wouldn't be surpised as they are renowned 'perantau's aren't they.


Yes.. in Indonesia we acknowledge the origin of this well-known proverb is Minangkabau.
You should be proud has Minang blood in you, because with this attittude described in this proverb, Minang perantauan usually accepted nicely and getting along with others (locals). Minang perantauan can be found in many cities in Sumatra, Java, Peninsula, across Indonesia as far as Papua, we can find Rumah Makan Padang.
malaccan
QUOTE(Majapahitans @ Feb 4 2009, 10:01 AM) [snapback]4115072[/snapback]
hehehe I just kiddin with ya...
okay then... brotha... beerchug.gif

Yeah yeah yeah whateva Talktohand.gif embarassedlaugh.gif

beerchug.gif

QUOTE(Majapahitans @ Feb 4 2009, 10:01 AM) [snapback]4115072[/snapback]
Yes.. in Indonesia we acknowledge the origin of this well-known proverb is Minangkabau.
You should be proud has Minang blood in you, because with this attittude described in this proverb, Minang perantauan usually accepted nicely and getting along with others (locals). Minang perantauan can be found in many cities in Sumatra, Java, Peninsula, across Indonesia as far as Papua, we can find Rumah Makan Padang.
Thanks Maja, I am indeed proud of my Minang roots although I don't speak the dialect well at all since I grew up in KL. I can speak with the Malaccan accent infinitely better than the Negeri Sembilan one.
As for Minang food... love2.gif munch.gif
If you're in KL, head for Natrabu in Kampung Baru for good food.
In Singapore, it'd be Nasi Padang River Valley.
I like their terong balado best.



Majapahitans
QUOTE(malaccan @ Feb 4 2009, 04:32 PM) [snapback]4115532[/snapback]
As for Minang food... love2.gif munch.gif
If you're in KL, head for Natrabu in Kampung Baru for good food.
In Singapore, it'd be Nasi Padang River Valley.
I like their terong balado best.


I think Natrabu is Indonesian-based Minang Restaurant-chain

What to do and see in KL for a short period of visit....?
I think I'm going to visit KL next month for media infographic training. Awak 'nak pusing-pusing bandaraya sikit. embarassedlaugh.gif
Just like any other KL first timer, I wont miss the twin tower. Any other suggestions... good authentic Malaysian restaurant..? not Minang please because we have plenty here.
malaccan
QUOTE(Majapahitans @ Feb 6 2009, 04:15 PM) [snapback]4118201[/snapback]
I think Natrabu is Indonesian-based Minang Restaurant-chain

What to do and see in KL for a short period of visit....?
I think I'm going to visit KL next month for media infographic training. Awak 'nak pusing-pusing bandaraya sikit. embarassedlaugh.gif
Just like any other KL first timer, I wont miss the twin tower. Any other suggestions... good authentic Malaysian restaurant..? not Minang please because we have plenty here.


Oh.. so it's next month you're going! Eh, go to your thread in Msia Chat lah! I'd given you a quick low-down.

Yeah of course you're right about Natrabu being Minang. We went to the branch in Bali as well.

Maja, we don't say 'pusing-pusing' lah. embarassedlaugh.gif Instead, we always say 'nak pegi jalan-jalan'. icon_redface.gif

Good authentic Malaysian restaurant? Heheh. Mom's home-cooked food is the best! Where will you be staying? I'd recommend going to the nearest 'mamak', which is traditionally an Indian-Muslim eatery munch.gif

Majapahitans
QUOTE(malaccan @ Feb 11 2009, 07:17 PM) [snapback]4125847[/snapback]
Oh.. so it's next month you're going! Eh, go to your thread in Msia Chat lah! I'd given you a quick low-down.

Yeah of course you're right about Natrabu being Minang. We went to the branch in Bali as well.

Maja, we don't say 'pusing-pusing' lah. embarassedlaugh.gif Instead, we always say 'nak pegi jalan-jalan'. icon_redface.gif

Good authentic Malaysian restaurant? Heheh. Mom's home-cooked food is the best! Where will you be staying? I'd recommend going to the nearest 'mamak', which is traditionally an Indian-Muslim eatery munch.gif


I've red your posts in Malaysian forum about Bandaraya KL. Thank you soo much... beerchug.gif


QUOTE(Ralf @ Feb 2 2009, 07:09 PM) [snapback]4112828[/snapback]
This seems to be a kind of precursor of "Unity in diversity".
It appears there is a traditional context for modern Indonesia.


Bhineka Tunggal Ika...
Yes..., I think many of ancient Indonesian indigenous wisdom from various ethnics groups promote sense for plurality and toleration...


Back to Majapahit....

Trivia:

Almira Tunggadewi Yudhoyono, President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono's granddaughter is named after Majapahit Queen... Tribhuwanottunggadewi Jayawishnuwardhani....



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Cucu pertama presiden SBY akhirnya diberi nama Almira Tunggadewi Yudhono. Arti dari nama tersebut dijelaskan sang Ayah, “Almira artinya putri yang mulia. Tunggadewi itu tokoh wanita abad ke-14, Ratu Majapahit yang setia dan berani. Yudhoyono nama keluarga,” jelas suami Annisa Pohan itu



Mr President really try to invoked Majapahit greatness legacy within his family, politics everyone...? embarassedlaugh.gif
Ralf
QUOTE(Majapahitans @ Feb 25 2009, 02:43 AM) [snapback]4141368[/snapback]
Back to Majapahit....

Trivia:

Almira Tunggadewi Yudhoyono, President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono's granddaughter is named after Majapahit Queen... Tribhuwanottunggadewi Jayawishnuwardhani....
Knowing the Indonesian fondness for abbreviations, I think we will soon hear shorter, cute versions of SBY's grandaughter's name.
Majapahitans
QUOTE(Ralf @ Feb 24 2009, 04:06 PM) [snapback]4141724[/snapback]
Knowing the Indonesian fondness for abbreviations, I think we will soon hear shorter, cute versions of SBY's grandaughter's name.


Naah..., that's reserved for presidents and famous politicians only.... SBY, JFK. Yet surprisingly we never abbreviate former president Suharto... embarassedlaugh.gif PH (Pak Harto)...?
HangPC2
Cabaran hasilkan filem epik fantasi Empayar : Dendam Tamingsari




Oleh Akmal Abdullah






Imej visual CGI untuk babak kediaman Raja Majapahit.



Filem berlatarkan zaman kerajaan Melayu Melaka dan Majapahit membabitkan kos RM5 juta dan bakal menggunakan 70 peratus visual CGI


HASRAT penerbit filem ini ialah untuk melihat sebuah filem dalam skala besar, grandeur dan agung yang mampu menggambarkan zaman kegemilangan kerajaan kesultanan Melayu Melaka. Kesal dengan filem klasik dan epik tempatan yang sering gagal menunjukkan suasana gemilang kerajaan silam, maka atas inisiatif beliau, sebuah filem yang memfokus kepada kehebatan kerajaan dan wira zaman dulu digambarkannya menerusi filem epik fantasi Empayar: Dendam Tamingsari.

Mengambil semangat filem Hollywood seperti Lord of the Rings yang hebat menggunakan banyak imej janaan komputer (CGI) kerana mampu menzahirkan zaman silam yang gah dan kelihatan realistik, projek filem ini memulakan rekaan produksi bagi menggambarkan milieu zaman itu seperti istana Sultan Melaka, bahtera raja, pelabuhan yang sibuk dengan kapal dagangan, keraton Majapahit dan beberapa struktur binaan yang relevan pada zaman itu.

Produser filem itu yang juga Pengarah Urusan Cinequip Productions, Kamaruddin Abu mengakui ia satu tugas berat dan mencabar bagi menghasilkan Empayar: Dendam Tamingsari dalam skala besar membabitkan banyak penggunaan CGI kerana harus dibuat teliti bagi menggambarkan zaman kegemilangan kesultanan Melayu Melaka kira-kira 500 tahun yang lalu selain zaman keagungan kerajaan Majapahit.




Dari kiri; Alan, Kamaruddin, Raja Aznil dan Mohd Mazren berbincang mengenai produksi.

“Kami di Cinequp Productions mahu mengangkat satu tahap baru filem epik tempatan dengan imej visual yang lebih kemas dan meyakinkan sesuai dengan cerita kehebatan zaman kerajaan Melaka dulu. Jika dulu kita sebut empayar Melaka tentu ia hebat dan gemilang, jadi kita mahu tengok semula dengan gambaran fantasi berlatarkan sejarah dan legenda. Kita mahu naikkan imej teknologi dan paparan zaman Melaka dalam filem Malaysia. Versi ini boleh membuatkan generasi muda akan bangga dengan sejarah asal usul tanah Melayu dan kini menjadi Malaysia.

“Saya akui watak Hang Tuah juga sudah banyak muncul dalam filem lain tetapi Hang Tuah dalam versi Empayar: Dendam Tamingsari dilihat dari sudut pandangan lain, namun kami tidak ketepikan fakta yang terdapat dalam Sejarah Melayu dan Hikayat Hang Tuah. Sebagai filem cereka, kami cuba beri fantasi yang jauh lebih menarik, kami warnakan kisah kegemilangan dulu dengan melihat semula apa kehebatan keris Tamingsari dan kenapa ia menjadi misteri dan terus disebut sehingga zaman kini.

“Empayar: Dendam Tamingsari melihat kisah zaman dulu dari segi politik dan perkahwinan, kekuasaan dan pengaruh serta kehebatan perwira kita zaman silam. Watak yang diwujudkan dalam filem ini ialah Sultan Mansor syah, Raja Majapahit, Tamingsari (pahlawan Majapahit), Hang Tuah, Tun Teja, Megat Panji Alam, Ketua Orang Bunian, Tun Perak, Raden galoh, Megat Panji Alam, Megat Kembar Ali, Sang Kelembai, Jin Air dan Jin Api. Ia juga ada elemen cinta iaitu mengenai konflik seorang wanita dan tiga lelaki iaitu tunang, kekasih dan suaminya.

“Kami merancang untuk jangka panjang untuk membuat tiga sekuel filem ini. Untuk sekuel pertama, ia kini dalam peribngkat akhir praproduksi dan penggambaran dijadualkan pada pertengahan tahun ini. Mengenai pelakon, ada beberapa watak sudah diputuskan tetapi untuk beberapa watak utama seperti hang Tuah dan Tun Teja, kami masih membuat proses casting. Saya juga tidka boleh beritahu siapa pengarah filem ini. Kami akan umumkan pada sidang media nanti,” kata Kamaruddin.

Mengenai bajet projek filem berkenaan, beliau berkata, sudah tentu untuk menghasilkan banyak visual CGI dan penyelidikan dan penelitian untuk setiap babak, kosnya menjadi agak mahal dan memerlukan pembiayaan daripada kerajaan kerana projek filem ini bukan untuk keuntungan semata-mata tetapi atas tanggungjawab kami pada bangsa dan negara.

“Sebenarnya projek filem ini sudah empat tahun dirancang tetapi kita bergerak perlahan-lahan kerana banyak buat kajian dan mencipta gambaran visual untuk CGI. Kos filem ini dijangka menelan belanja RM5 juta. Kami memperoleh dana menerusi duit syarikat, pinjaman dari Bank Pembangunan dan bantuan geran daripada Kementerian Sains teknologi dan Inovasi. Namun, jumlahnya belum cukup dan kami berharap ada pihak lain lagi yang boleh bekerjasama kami untuk menjadikan filem ini berjaya dihasilkan. Kos ini bukan sekadar praproduksi dan penggambaran tetapi persiapan untuk CGI dan proses selepas penggambaran dan promosi. Setakat ini perbelanjaan yang digunakan sudah lebih RM600,000.





Gambaran grafik untuk babak pelabuhan Melaka.


“Empayar: Dendam Tamingsari adalah manisfestasi sebuah filem Malaysia yang bertanggungjawab untuk mengembalikan semula kenangan fanatasi mengenai kehebatan zaman kerajaan Melayu Melaka di Tanah Melayu,” kata Kamaruddin ketika ditemui di pejabatnya di Mutiara Damansara, Petaling Jaya, Selangor, baru-baru ini. Turut sama, Penerbit Eksekutif filem itu, Mohd Mazren Datuk Mohd Mazlan.

Pereka Produksi filem itu, Raja Aznil Raja Hisham pula berkata, Empayar: Dendam Tamingsari menggabungkan elemen sejarah, legenda dan fantasi, maka rekaan dan corak untuk visual filem itu harus memperlihatkan gambaran kehebatan zaman dulu dan bagaimana sesuatu peristiwa itu berlaku secara logik, ada daulat dan kuasa luar biasa.

“Di mana kegemilangan dulu? Sekarang tidak ada lagi kesan sejarah yang menggambarkan kehebatan zaman Melaka dulu kerana kajian mendapati apabila Portugis menakluk Melaka pada 1511, mereka terus merobohkan kota dan pusat binaan Melayu. Ke mana pergi rekaan dan arkitektur kita. Dulu, ada binaan batu untuk masjid, istana dan dinding istana Sultan Melaka tetapi Portugis runtuhkan dan gunakan batu itu untuk bina kota mereka. Kajian dapati istana Melaka dulu terletak di Bukit St Paul sekarang tetapi apa yang ada sekarang binaan lain.

“Apabila kita sebut empayar kerajaan Melaka dulu, tentu ia hebat dan gemilang dan kita kena berfantasi semula zaman kegemilangan itu. Kami banyak buat penyelidikan dan hasilnya nanti akan diserapkan dalam imej CGI filem ini. Sebagai orang filem, kami ada lesen kreatif untuk memberi gambar yang boleh membuatkan masyarakat berbangga dan kagum dengan keagungan kerajaan melayu Melaka dulu.

“Begitu juga pakaian. Kalau dalam filem Melayu klasik atau filem purba, selalunya imej pakaian ialah imej kain lusuh, selain cuma berbaju Melayu, bertengkolok dan bersampin tetapi kajian dapati orang dulu juga hebat dari segi fesyen dan jenis fabrik bermutu. Takkan orang dulu apabila pergi perang masih pakai baju Melayu, sampin, tengkolok dan capal? Mereka juga ada pakaian seragam tentera. Rotan dan kulit juga sudah dijadikan pakaian, malah kayu dan besi juga sudah digunakan untuk pakaian seram tentera Melaka ketika berperang, termasuk senjata.

“Kami cuma beri gambaran yang memperlihatkan kehebatan zaman kerajaan Melayu Melaka kerana ia terkenal di seluruh dunia dan ada hubungan dengan China, Parsi dan India. Ini filem epik fantasi dan aksi romance, tentunya kita berikan imej sesuai dan boleh dibanggakan. Kita mahu generasi muda kita menghargai wira silam kita dulu, bukan saja Hang tuah tetapi kenal secara dekat siapa Hang Jebat, Hang Lekir, Hang Kasturi dan Hang Lekiu.

“Kami cuba bermain dengan fantasi dan merujuk kepada fakta yang ada... kalau kami mungkin tersasar dari segi gambaran ini, beritahu kami apa lagi yang sesuai dan tepat seperti pakaian atau struktur rumah orang dulu. Kita mahu naikkan imej filem Malaysia dan imej kerajaan Melayu zaman silam. Untuk tata busana, produksi filem ini akan hasilkan pakaian sesuai mengikut watak dan insiden babak, selain kita akan ambil pakaian dari wardrobe tetapi akan diubah suai.

“Dari segi imej rambut, orang dulu sebenarnya bukan sekadar berambut panjang tetapi ada fesyen ala punk, tak terurus dan ala pasta. Jenis senjata pula, bukan saja lembing, tombak dan keris tetapi gasing tajam, kerambit tiga mata, panah api dan pedang pelbagai saiz. Tentera Melaka dulu juga sebenarnya lengkap dengan pakaian seragam dan senjata. CGI akan banyak membantu untuk memberi gambaran imej watak dalam filem ini kelak.

Bagi Pengarah CGI untuk filem berkenaan, Alan Wong, apa yang mencabar bagi dirinya ialah untuk menyediakan CGI dari segi kekuatan imaginasi supaya Empayar: Dendam Tamingsari bakal kelihatan realistik dan gah pada visualnya.

“Ia mencabar kerana ini benda baru bagi menggambarkan kehebatan kerajaan Melayu zaman dulu, kita tidak mahu buat benda atau imej yang sama. Kita kena siapkan gambaran set, subset dan props dalam CGI sebelum penggambaran sebenar bermula supaya hasilnya berkesan. Keseluruhannya untuk projek filem ini, sebanyak 70 peratus ialah CGI iaitu kira-kira 40 babak. Tempoh filem ini nanti ialah 110 minit.

“Saya juga kena banyak berbincang dengan penerbit dan pereka produksi untuk mendapatkan corak rekaan sebenar yang mahu divisualkan menerusi CGI dua dimensi (2D) dan tiga dimensi (3D) mengikut babak. Kini kami sedang giat memproses imej bahtera, istana, keraton Majapahit dan beberapa imej jin, Sang Kelembai dan persekitaran alam bunian. Saya ada dua pasukan yang melakukan kerja CGI membabitkan 15 petugas,” kata Alan yang juga Pengarah Urusan DNA Studios.


- Berita Harian -

Majapahitans
^^^ Great effort from Malaysia to create epic historic movies based from the glory of the archipelagic empires: Mallacca and Majapahit.

I think Indonesia should took this as an example and create epic historic movies like those popular oldies movies back in 80's to early 90's:
Tutur Tinular, Saur Sepuh, and local Legends such as Roro Jonggrang, Damarwulan and Menak Jingga, Jayaprana and Layonsari.
kelapa
QUOTE(Majapahitans @ Apr 20 2009, 10:35 AM) [snapback]4203334[/snapback]
^^^ Great effort from Malaysia to create epic historic movies based from the glory of the archipelagic empires: Mallacca and Majapahit.

I think Indonesia should took this as an example and create epic historic movies like those popular oldies movies back in 80's to early 90's:
Tutur Tinular, Saur Sepuh, and local Legends such as Roro Jonggrang, Damarwulan and Menak Jingga, Jayaprana and Layonsari.


Tenang aja Majjy. Gw denger, ada yang mau bikin game berdasarkan sejarah Majapahit. Ada perang sama Mongol segala.
firdausj
QUOTE(Majapahitans @ Apr 20 2009, 04:35 PM) [snapback]4203334[/snapback]
^^^ Great effort from Malaysia to create epic historic movies based from the glory of the archipelagic empires: Mallacca and Majapahit.

I think Indonesia should took this as an example and create epic historic movies like those popular oldies movies back in 80's to early 90's:
Tutur Tinular, Saur Sepuh, and local Legends such as Roro Jonggrang, Damarwulan and Menak Jingga, Jayaprana and Layonsari.


Tahu nggak ... film ini juga dibuat karena ada juga tujuan politiknya .. cerita kehebatan kerajaan Malaka "menaklukan" Majapahit .... Hehehehe.

Ingat... bagi negara jiran kita ini .... Malaka adalah sebuah "empire" terbesar bangsa melayu yang pernah lahir tidak hanya di Tanah Melayu tapi juga di "Nusantara" atau mereka sering sebut sebagai "Malay world".

Bhaskara
QUOTE(firdausj @ Apr 24 2009, 06:17 PM) [snapback]4206916[/snapback]
Tahu nggak ... film ini juga dibuat karena ada juga tujuan politiknya .. cerita kehebatan kerajaan Malaka "menaklukan" Majapahit .... Hehehehe.

Ingat... bagi negara jiran kita ini .... Malaka adalah sebuah "empire" terbesar bangsa melayu yang pernah lahir tidak hanya di Tanah Melayu tapi juga di "Nusantara" atau mereka sering sebut sebagai "Malay world".

Even the term "Malay world" itself is another example of their delusion. embarassedlaugh.gif
And they even dare to make it synonymous to "Nusantara", which was a Javanese term from the very start, and every time we use that word, we refer it to Indonesia only.

I won't be surprised if that movie is going to be all about the glory of Malacca and mockery of Majapahit. Anyway, the greatest Malay empire was Srivijaya biggthumpup.gif
Majapahitans
QUOTE(Bhaskara @ Apr 24 2009, 08:53 PM) [snapback]4207767[/snapback]
I won't be surprised if that movie is going to be all about the glory of Malacca and mockery of Majapahit. Anyway, the greatest Malay empire was Srivijaya biggthumpup.gif


I won't jump to conclusion and suspicion that hastily, my comrade bhas and firdaus... icon_neutral.gif
Always try to be fair and objective. The historic episode of Mallaccan empire is important part for Malaysia. But we must also remember, our brother suku Melayu in Riau, Riau kepulauan and Jambi too still remembered and held Mallaca as part of their legacy and history. Remember, after the fall of Mallacca to Portuguese in 1511, Mallaccan royal family seek refuge in Riau then create Riau-Johor Sultanate. To be fair, Indonesian too in some degree, also took pride of Malaccan Empire and remembered it in our "kisah" and "hikayat". We even have street and places named after this empire and its heroes (Jalan Hang Tuah, Hang Lekir, etc).

About their tendency to "boasts" the glory and grandeur of Malaccan empire as the greatest (although short lived, 1402-1511) in Malay history, I found it as a natural thing.
After my visit to Muzium Negara KL I found indeed they put emphasize on Malaccan Empire. BUt they also mentioned Majapahit navy prowess, Srivijaya glory, and Sailendra aesthetic achievement.

1. Malacca was stood on the soil of modern Malaysia. Ofcourse they're tried to find local historic source of national pride, and Mallacca serve just like Srivijaya and Majapahit for us. To took pride in Srivijaya might be rather too far for them since the center of the empire was stood in Sumatra; Palembang and later Jambi, Indonesia.

2. Malacca has adopt Islamic faith, and Islam since then has become the main "identity" of modern Malay in Malaysia. Ofcourse Malacca was not the first state that follow Islam, Samudra Pasei, and Peureulak in Aceh were first to adopt Islam in the region. On the other hand although Srivijaya in my opinion (the same as Bhas) was indeed the greatest Malay empire ever formed (span from 7th to 13th century), they're Buddhist empire that centered in Sumatra.


In Malaysian production of Putri Gunung Ledang (in both film and musical), they didn't put Majapahit in "bad light", I even can sense their admiration of Majapahit Javanese art, costumes, and aethetics. And one more thing, Malacca never attack and never defeated Majapahit, the fact Majapahit was the main power in region and involved in early formation of Malacca. Malacca gain power and become the empire after the weakening of Majapahit that cannot control the strait any longer.


Soo Indonesia is the one who must promote Srivijaya and Majapahit in our popular arts, books, novel, comics, and film.
Bhaskara
QUOTE(Majapahitans @ Apr 27 2009, 05:51 PM) [snapback]4210227[/snapback]
I won't jump to conclusion and suspicion that hastily, my comrade bhas and firdaus... icon_neutral.gif
Always try to be fair and objective. The historic episode of Mallaccan empire is important part for Malaysia. But we must also remember, our brother suku Melayu in Riau, Riau kepulauan and Jambi too still remembered and held Mallaca as part of their legacy and history. Remember, after the fall of Mallacca to Portuguese in 1511, Mallaccan royal family seek refuge in Riau then create Riau-Johor Sultanate. To be fair, Indonesian too in some degree, also took pride of Malaccan Empire and remembered it in our "kisah" and "hikayat". We even have street and places named after this empire and its heroes (Jalan Hang Tuah, Hang Lekir, etc).

About their tendency to "boasts" the glory and grandeur of Malaccan empire as the greatest (although short lived, 1402-1511) in Malay history, I found it as a natural thing.
After my visit to Muzium Negara KL I found indeed they put emphasize on Malaccan Empire. BUt they also mentioned Majapahit navy prowess, Srivijaya glory, and Sailendra aesthetic achievement.

1. Malacca was stood on the soil of modern Malaysia. Ofcourse they're tried to find local historic source of national pride, and Mallacca serve just like Srivijaya and Majapahit for us. To took pride in Srivijaya might be rather too far for them since the center of the empire was stood in Sumatra; Palembang and later Jambi, Indonesia.

2. Malacca has adopt Islamic faith, and Islam since then has become the main "identity" of modern Malay in Malaysia. Ofcourse Malacca was not the first state that follow Islam, Samudra Pasei, and Peureulak in Aceh were first to adopt Islam in the region. On the other hand although Srivijaya in my opinion (the same as Bhas) was indeed the greatest empire ever formed (span from 7th to 13th century), they're Buddhist empire that centered in Sumatra.
In Malaysian production of Putri Gunung Ledang (in both film and musical), they didn't put Majapahit in "bad light", I even can sense their admiration of Majapahit Javanese art, costumes, and aethetics. And one more thing, Malacca never attack and never defeated Majapahit, the fact Majapahit was the main power in region and involved in early formation of Malacca. Malacca gain power and become the empire after the weakening of Majapahit that cannot control the strait any longer.
Soo Indonesia is the one who must promote Srivijaya and Majapahit in our popular arts, books, novel, comics, and film.

That actually shows the dynamics between our countries. While we in Indonesia celebrate and honor Malacca, familiar with Hang Tuah, Hang Jebat, and other Hangs as if they were our own historical figures, they choose to be clueless about Indonesia, and look down on us too. thumbsdown.gif
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Hubungan Kelantan - Jawa Yang Dilupakan Oleh Sejarah



1) Keris kebesaran Sultan Kelantan bernama Keris Majapahit.

2) Sebut wayang kulit, maka orang tahu ianya daripada Kelantan, dan juga Jawa.

3) Orang Kelantan sangat suka pakai kain batik Jawa. Sehingga zaman tahun 60an, orang lelaki Kelantan menggunakan kain batik Jawa sebagai semutar di atas kepala dan diikat pada pinggang. Inilah trade mark orang Kelantan. Kain batik Jawa merupakan pakan harian yang wajib.

4) Ada banyak perkataan Jawa yang difahami oleh orang Kelantan, tetapi tidak difahami oleh orang Kuala Lumpur.

5) Orang Kelantan mungkin tidak pernah bertemu orang Jawa pada tahun 1960an-70an, tetapi mereka secara lisan dan tradisi amat anti orang Jawa.

















Sejarah


Kelantan purba dikenali dengan gelaran Jawa Kotti yang bermaksud 'TITIK JAWA'. Pada zaman yang paling awal dalam tahun Masehi, pusat penyebaran budaya Melayu dan Jawa berpusat di Kelantan. Ini kerana zaman dahulu kala Kelantan dikenali orang sebagai Jawa Kotti ( Jawa Point). Kalau menurut dalam "Ikhtisar Sejarah Kelantan" oleh Abdul Razak Mahmud (Ustaz Mat), Bab 2, muka surat 7 & 8, negeri Kelantan dikatakan bernama "Medang Kamulan". Dalam History Of Java oleh Stamford Raffles muka surat 74, pada lebih kurang tahun 600 Masehi seorang lelaki bernama Aji Saka dari negara asing ( quote: Aji Saka from a foreign country) datang ke Jawa dan memerintah. Menurutnya Aji Saka dari Medang Kamulan.

The controversy over the true location of Sri Wijaya arises because of the fact that after the death of Maharaja Sri Jayanaga around 692, during the mission to capture Jawa Island, Sri Wijaya seems to have been divided into two states. The eldest son Maharaja Dipang ruled over Amdan Negara, that is, the Malay Isthmus, probably Kelantan/Kedah. The second son, Maharaja Dhiraja, ruled the islands (Sumatera and other islands of the Indonesian archipelago), based at Palembang. After the division into east and west, the name of Sri Wijaya remained in Sumatera, but on the Malay peninsula, a poetic title emerged for the Kelantan/Kedah area, namely, Tanah Serendah Sekebun Bunga (Valley of Flower Garden Land). This title is still found in traditional performing arts such as Mak Yong dance, Wayang Kulit puppet theatre, etc. By 730 the capital of Sri Wijaya in Sumatera moved from Palembang, known as Langkapura, to Kota Mutajap near the river mouth of Jambi in Sumatera.

It is reasonable to speculate that some elements of the Sri Wijayan culture originated in Sumatera, but later spread to other parts of South East Asia from Kelantan/Kedah. Yawakoti meaning Jawa Point, is situated at Bukit Panau hill along the upper Kelantan river near Pergau; some believe this place to be from which Jawanese politics and culture spread out. Jawa Duipa, an ancient name for Kelantan means Tanah Jawa ("land owned by the Jawanese"), or Kawasan Jawa ("Jawanese area").

Al Tabari states that the word Jawa or Jva was used more widely in ancient times. Jawa in those days meant "Jawanese culture" (i.e. Malay culture), including its centres on the Isthmus, as compared to now when Jawa only refers to Jawa Island in Indonesia. According to one tradition, the Jawanese moved down from Kemboja and spread out to the archipelago.

Kerajaan Melaka menakluk negeri Kelantan pada tahun 1499 dan berkahwin dengan salah seorang Puteri Sultan Kelantan, yakni ibu kepada Sultan Muzaffar Shah (Perak) dan Sultan Alauddin Shah (Sultan Johor Lama). Sebelum ditakluk Melaka, Negeri Kelantan pada masa itu digelar Majapahit II. Semasa zaman Kerajaan Majapahit, Kelantan menjadi sebahagian dari kuasa Majapahit dan menjadi pusat penyebaran budaya Jawa di sebalah utara. Pusat pentadbiran Majapahit pula di selatan iaitu di Pulau Jawa sendiri.

Semasa Melaka serang Kelantan kali pertama, Melaka mengalami kekalahan oleh kerana barisan parajurit Kelantan dibantu oleh barisan parajurit Majapahit yang dipimpin oleh Pateh Gajah Mada. Selepas pemergian Pateh Gajah Mada kuasa Majapahit diambang kejatuhan dan masa inilah kesempatan diambil oleh Melaka untuk menakluk Kelantan. Apa yang menarik ialah Majapahit itu sendiri di asaskan oleh raja yang berdarah keturunan Kelantan (Kertas Kerja Dalam Proses). Pateh Gajah Mada sendiri adalah anak dari Puteri Linang Cahaya anak perempuan Raja Kelantan. Ayah Pateh Gajah Mada pula ialah Syeikh Hussein Jamaluddin Al-Kubra. Syeikh Jamaludin Al-Kubra ini banyak melahirkan keturunan yang menjadi pemimpin dan Ulamak yang berpusat di Patani-Kelantan seterusnya tersebar Islam ke seluruh Kepulauan Melayu dan Jawa. Pada masa itu Patani-Kelantan dikenali sebagai Kerajaan Cermin kerana banyak ulamak berada di situ sehinggakan belajar agama Islam di Kota Mekah mesti sambung belajar di Patani-Kelantan.

Patani-Kelantan diberi nama jolokan Kerajaan Cermin Mekah. Sebab itulah sehingga sekarang Kelantan digelar "Kelantan Negeri di bawah Serambi Mekah" dan kerajaan Islam PAS masih kukuh berkuasa. Orang Kelantan sejak lebih 600 tahun telah memilih Islam sebagai kehidupan mereka.
Wali Songo di Jawa seperti Sunan Ampel dan Sunan Gunung Jati adalah dari nasab Syeikh Jamaludin Al-Kubra. Kalau di Patani-Kelantan Syeikh Wan Ahmad Al-Fathani, Syeikh Wan Muhd. Zain Al- Fathani, Syeikh Daud Al-Fathani dan byk lagi semuanya adalah dari keturunan Syeikh Jamaludin Al-Kubra. Penggunaan 'Nik' dan 'Wan' dipangkal nama juga menandakan dari nasab Syeikh Jamaludin Al-Kubra dan keturunannya banyak menjadi pembesar di Kelantan-Utara (Jembal). Itulah sebabnya Wan dikatakan ada hubungkait dengan kerabat diRaja Jembal.


Sources : http://forum.cari.com.my
HangPC2
Gajah Mada is a mysterious historical figure



No historical records about his origin, there's no tomb to commemorate his magnificent achievement.
He's probably the only Majapahit historical figure quite unknown where he's born and where he died.
But his legacy, the unified archipelagic empire of Majapahit is quite is the testament of his ambition and genius vision, a bright politician and warrior. Majapahit as the ancient incarnation of modern Indonesia stay forever as inspirations, source of pride and dignity for Indonesian.

According to books and articles I've reads here's the speculations about his origin:

Using animal name as people name is quite common in ancient Java, Lembu Tal, Kebo Ijo, Kebo Anabrang, Mundingwangi Dikusumah, Ciung Wanara, Mahesa Cempaka, etc. Gajah (means elephant) is known in ancient Java, In Borobudur relief we can find the image of Elephant, probably back then there's an original Javanese elephant sub-species, but if not it's possible to import them from Sumatra, since ancient Indonesian ship quite reliable to transport large things. But Gajah is abundant in Sumatra up until now. So the speculations arose.

Gajah Mada probably Malayu or Srivijayan origin, but since young he serve Javanese Majapahit special forces (Bhayangkara, the royal guard).
This theory probably based after the congquest of Malayu by Singhasari. The Pamalayu expedition led by King Kertanegara conquer the court of Malayupura (now Jambi), part of Srivijayan empire that already weaken. Malayupura once stood as rival for Srivijaya before Srivijaya conquer it. Then as Srivijaya weaken, Malayu began to be more important and enjoy certain degree of independence.

This conquest (some says alliance, cause Kertanegara gave gift for the people of Malayu, a huge 6 metres statue made in Java, then transport it to Sumatra) brough many royalties (princess of Malayu like Dara Jingga and Dara Petak), scholars, Buddhist priest (Dharmaputras), artisans, warriors, etc, to Javanese courts. Gajah Mada vast knowledge about various kingdoms, islands, and area around archipelago probably due to Srivijayan knowledge, is he Malayu soldier, that's why he really know his way when he launch naval attack to Srivijayan capital like he's ever been there before.
Majapahitans
^^^ Nice articles Hang....
It clearly shows the Javanese-Kelantan ties...




QUOTE(HangPC2 @ May 1 2009, 08:39 PM) [snapback]4215483[/snapback]
Gajah Mada is a mysterious historical figure
No historical records about his origin, there's no tomb to commemorate his magnificent achievement.
He's probably the only Majapahit historical figure quite unknown where he's born and where he died.
But his legacy, the unified archipelagic empire of Majapahit is quite is the testament of his ambition and genius vision, a bright politician and warrior. Majapahit as the ancient incarnation of modern Indonesia stay forever as inspirations, source of pride and dignity for Indonesian.

According to books and articles I've reads here's the speculations about his origin:

Using animal name as people name is quite common in ancient Java, Lembu Tal, Kebo Ijo, Kebo Anabrang, Mundingwangi Dikusumah, Ciung Wanara, Mahesa Cempaka, etc. Gajah (means elephant) is known in ancient Java, In Borobudur relief we can find the image of Elephant, probably back then there's an original Javanese elephant sub-species, but if not it's possible to import them from Sumatra, since ancient Indonesian ship quite reliable to transport large things. But Gajah is abundant in Sumatra up until now. So the speculations arose.

Gajah Mada probably Malayu or Srivijayan origin, but since young he serve Javanese Majapahit special forces (Bhayangkara, the royal guard).
This theory probably based after the congquest of Malayu by Singhasari. The Pamalayu expedition led by King Kertanegara conquer the court of Malayupura (now Jambi), part of Srivijayan empire that already weaken. Malayupura once stood as rival for Srivijaya before Srivijaya conquer it. Then as Srivijaya weaken, Malayu began to be more important and enjoy certain degree of independence.

This conquest (some says alliance, cause Kertanegara gave gift for the people of Malayu, a huge 6 metres statue made in Java, then transport it to Sumatra) brough many royalties (princess of Malayu like Dara Jingga and Dara Petak), scholars, Buddhist priest (Dharmaputras), artisans, warriors, etc, to Javanese courts. Gajah Mada vast knowledge about various kingdoms, islands, and area around archipelago probably due to Srivijayan knowledge, is he Malayu soldier, that's why he really know his way when he launch naval attack to Srivijayan capital like he's ever been there before.



However about the origin of Gajah Mada is still a mystery...
Ofcourse Javanese insist that he is a native Javanese son, born in a village somewhere along Brantas river valley, East Java.
Balinese also suggested that he probably Balinese origin.
Even my friend from Minangkabau, West Sumatra, tell me that their Datuk back in Minagkabau believed of him as son of Minang.
Other sugested his Malay-Srivijaya or even Kelantan origin.

Well..., greatness incite claims...








QUOTE(kelapa @ Apr 24 2009, 03:31 AM) [snapback]4206877[/snapback]
Tenang aja Majjy. Gw denger, ada yang mau bikin game berdasarkan sejarah Majapahit. Ada perang sama Mongol segala.



Actually that's not a new idea.... laugh.gif
In 2002 during my Graphic Design class back in Uni, my professor gave us assignment to make a design of CD's or DVD's cover. It could be music, film, game, etc....
Soo I'm the only one who came up with cover design of "mock up" Majapahit themed strategy game for PC....

edit

Neat huh? embarassedlaugh.gif

I got A+ for this....
Show off mode ----> on
DutchEastIndiesMan
^I would buy that.
Bhaskara
Majjy, awesoome!!!!
kelapa
QUOTE(Majapahitans @ May 2 2009, 01:00 PM) [snapback]4216092[/snapback]
I got A+ for this....
Show of mode ----> on


Indeed it is a show off, wkwkwkwk. But, where's the game? Me wants (free) game ... me wants (free) game ... not just cover.
Majapahitans
QUOTE(DutchEastIndiesMan @ May 2 2009, 07:31 AM) [snapback]4216113[/snapback]
^I would buy that.



Really...?! then the cover design works... to lure potential buyer to buy the CD/DVD







QUOTE(Bhaskara @ May 3 2009, 10:21 PM) [snapback]4218533[/snapback]
Majjy, awesoome!!!!


Thanks Faj..., erh Bhas.... embarassedlaugh.gif
I understand you're a talented graphic artist... well keep up the good work.. beerchug.gif






QUOTE(kelapa @ May 4 2009, 03:53 AM) [snapback]4218923[/snapback]
Indeed it is a show off, wkwkwkwk. But, where's the game? Me wants (free) game ... me wants (free) game ... not just cover.


A lil' bit of show-offness won't hurt... It really good for your ego and self-esteem....

Unfortunately I only made the cover design. icon_neutral.gif
I wish I've had team-up with fellow computer programmer students to put something like Majapahit themed strategy games into reality. Well maybe in the future.
Bhaskara
Majjy, your artwork reminded me of my dream to make something like Dynasty Warriors/Samurai Warriors, but with Indonesian background icon_smile.gif
DutchEastIndiesMan
^ Or even better make a Total War series with an Indonesian background
Rather than having to control 1 hero with super special powers like in Dynasties warriors, you control your empire, your economy, your relations with foreign kingdoms, and your war battles. I think it would fit more if a Total war series with an Indonesian background.

QUOTE(Majapahitans @ May 4 2009, 06:13 PM) [snapback]4218961[/snapback]
Really...?! then the cover design works... to lure potential buyer to buy the CD/DVD


Yeah especially for those gamers who are interested in historical games. The game it self has to be really good and promising though.
Majapahitans
QUOTE(Bhaskara @ May 4 2009, 10:35 PM) [snapback]4219955[/snapback]
Majjy, your artwork reminded me of my dream to make something like Dynasty Warriors/Samurai Warriors, but with Indonesian background icon_smile.gif


The ideas come from the old Koei's RTK (Romance of Three Kingdoms) PC games series.


QUOTE(DutchEastIndiesMan @ May 5 2009, 07:11 AM) [snapback]4220416[/snapback]
^ Or even better make a Total War series with an Indonesian background
Rather than having to control 1 hero with super special powers like in Dynasties warriors, you control your empire, your economy, your relations with foreign kingdoms, and your war battles. I think it would fit more if a Total war series with an Indonesian background.


Agreed... beerchug.gif Actually I prefer the Total War, Nobunaga's Ambition, Romance of The Three Kingdoms, or Rise of Nations style with holistic approach of culture, diplomacy, technology and economy, rather than merely awesome powers action-packed Dynasty Warriors style.

It would be great if we can also design, build, and develop Trowulan Palace and whole Majapahit imperial capital city....
Build series of bricks walls and Candi Bentar split gates, Paduraksa gates, pools and bathplace, temples and shrines, market place, squares, canals, reservoirs, palaces and pesanggrahan, Ponggawa's barrack, Bhayangkara (Royal Guards) academy, Telik Sandi (spy/ninja-like undercover forces) agency. etc.
Built ports, docks, and shipyards, at Hujung Galuh and Canggu (Surabaya), Gresik and Tuban. Awesome huh...? biggthumpup.gif After builds formidable navy force, then send navy expedition/campaign to Malayu Dharmasraya, Tumasik, Hujung Medini, Tanjung Negara, Bali, Dompo, and Maluku.
Sumpit
QUOTE(Majapahitans @ May 2 2009, 03:00 PM) [snapback]4216092[/snapback]
Neat huh? embarassedlaugh.gif

I got A+ for this....
Show off mode ----> on

COOL! great work Maj! you can show off here biggthumpup.gif wo wont mind lol
do you still study for something? (A+?)
DutchEastIndiesMan
QUOTE(Majapahitans @ May 6 2009, 12:04 AM) [snapback]4220559[/snapback]
The ideas come from the old Koei's RTK (Romance of Three Kingdoms) PC games series.
Agreed... beerchug.gif Actually I prefer the Total War, Nobunaga's Ambition, Romance of The Three Kingdoms, or Rise of Nations style with holistic approach of culture, diplomacy, technology and economy, rather than merely awesome powers action-packed Dynasty Warriors style.

It would be great if we can also design, build, and develop Trowulan Palace and whole Majapahit imperial capital city....
Build series of bricks walls and Candi Bentar split gates, Paduraksa gates, pools and bathplace, temples and shrines, market place, squares, canals, reservoirs, palaces and pesanggrahan, Ponggawa's barrack, Bhayangkara (Royal Guards) academy, Telik Sandi (spy/ninja-like undercover forces) agency. etc.
Built ports, docks, and shipyards, at Hujung Galuh and Canggu (Surabaya), Gresik and Tuban. Awesome huh...? biggthumpup.gif After builds formidable navy force, then send navy expedition/campaign to Malayu Dharmasraya, Tumasik, Hujung Medini, Tanjung Negara, Bali, Dompo, and Maluku.


Ahahahahaha wow....no $hit bro...I would love that. I can learn pre colonial Indonesian history (which i lack very much) while having fun. It would also help to introduce pre colonial Indonesia to the world.
The map has to be big enough (covers SEA, India , north Asia and maybe Aust ? ) so that it not only attracts Indonesians. Though such a game would need lots of financial investment and SEA history is not the most favorite topic for investors.
Bhaskara
Hey, spare a little room for shallow gamers like me! We're quite big in numbers, you know! embarassedlaugh.gif
Ralf
QUOTE(Majapahitans @ May 2 2009, 10:00 PM) [snapback]4216092[/snapback]
In 2002 during my Graphic Design class back in Uni, my professor gave us assignment to make a design of CD's or DVD's cover. It could be music, film, game, etc....
Soo I'm the only one who came up with cover design of "mock up" Majapahit themed strategy game for PC....

Here's the picture...

Careful. Some unscrupulous person could steal your idea and image.



Edit: I made it postage stamp size.
I reckon it's safe this way.
kelapa
QUOTE(Majapahitans @ May 4 2009, 11:13 AM) [snapback]4218961[/snapback]
I wish I've had team-up with fellow computer programmer students to put something like Majapahit themed strategy games into reality. Well maybe in the future.


Nah, elo kan di gramedia?! ajak tuh anak2 Chip bikin realisasi ide!
DutchEastIndiesMan
^kalo ga bagus malah nait buang2 duit. Jangan cari murid2 gaming, saya rasa.

Majy you should take your cd cover off the web. Ralf is right.
Ralf
QUOTE(DutchEastIndiesMan @ May 8 2009, 10:51 PM) [snapback]4224008[/snapback]
^kalo ga bagus malah nait buang2 duit. Jangan cari murid2 gaming, saya rasa.

Majy you should take your cd cover off the web. Ralf is right.
Just put a low resolution image on AF, if you want to safeguard it for use in a real project in the future.
DutchEastIndiesMan
^Take it off to be safe.
Majapahitans
Okay... I'll took off the pict.
Well actually I'm not too afraid if somebody produce it and took the idea... they have to develop programming the game from scratch.
Its their problem, however if they took my pict, now that's my problem...
Suzuka00
Do you have a flag for majapahit.

JohnComnenus
@ Suzuka: theres one on the Wikipedia article for Majapahit Empire
Ralf
QUOTE (JohnComnenus @ May 18 2009, 09:51 AM) *
@ Suzuka: theres one on the Wikipedia article for Majapahit Empire
Do you mean this flag ?

However the label on the image code says "Naval Jack of Indonesia".
Does that mean it is a modern flag, or is it a historical flag ?

BTW JohnComnenus are you really in old Constantinople ?
This year is the 20th anniversary of my backpacking trip through Turkey.


DutchEastIndiesMan
^I think that is the flag.

BTW.........
Long Live Komnenos dynasty !!
Majapahitans
Actually I doubt ancient Majapahit flag was that red and white stripes.... icon_confused.gif
It was Indonesian naval jack adopted the Majapahit color (red and white).
More likely simple red and white arrange long vertical like panji or umbul-umbul flag... Similar to what we have during 17 Agustusan (independence day).

However probably they also have plain red or plain white with image of Surya Majapahit printed on it
Suzuka00
another absurd claim for laughs
QUOTE
Luzon or Selurong or Lusung as well as Sulu was part of Majapahit and it was mentioned in the annals... http://theislandsofpearls.blogspot.com/200...on-emerges.html

to quote:
in the era of Majapahit Kingdom as mentioned in the Old Javanese eulogy, Nagarakretagama in the Canto 14: “More territories are mentioned: Kadandangan, Landa, Samadang, Tirem, Sedu (Sarawak), Barune (Brunei), Kalka, Saludung(Selurung or Lusung), Solot (Sulu), Pasir Barito, Sawaku, Tabalung, and Tanjung Kutei...

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There was an intermarriage between the Majapahit nobilities with Lusung or Selurong. Remember the marriage of Anka Widjaya or Angka Wijaya with Dayang Sasaban of the kingdom of Sapa. Their offspring was Prince Balagtas who joined the the clan of Sultan Ragam of Brunei by marrying Dayang Panginoon.

kelapa
QUOTE (Suzuka00 @ May 20 2009, 11:32 AM) *
another absurd claim for laughs


Be careful, because nobody til now can locate exactly what Saludung is, and a legend may be based on truth. It has simply no written proof. Majapahit once was also regarded as a legend mothers would tell their children before they sleep, even in only 200 years after its end.
Suzuka00
QUOTE (kelapa @ May 27 2009, 06:39 AM) *
Be careful, because nobody til now can locate exactly what Saludung is, and a legend may be based on truth. It has simply no written proof. Majapahit once was also regarded as a legend mothers would tell their children before they sleep, even in only 200 years after its end.

DNA is a more concrete proof...

The dna of Western Indonesians and Filipinos are far apart,I posted that once.


http://melayuonline.com/article/?a=RkprL1U...;lang=Indonesia

Saludung is on borneo...


Selurong that sounds like Saludung was established by borneans before that there was no Selurong it was also because of the goodwill of the king of luzon,luzon is also identified with selurung much like philippines is identified with manila..
Majapahitans


QUOTE
Di Balik Malaysia: dari Majapahit ke Putrajaya
ISBN: 9789834352127
Author: Farish A. Noor
Publisher: ZI Publications
Year: 2008
Number of page: 226
Delivery: 1 day
Price: 7.48EUR 6.73EUR

DI BALIK MALAYSIA DARI MAJAPAHIT KE PUTRAJAYA mengandungi koleksi artikel pilihan oleh Farish A. Noor, seorang sarjana/penganalisis politik dan sosial yang bukan sahaja kritis tetapi berterus terang. Buku ini mengambil pendekatan dengan menyorot beberapa tokoh terkenal dalam sejarah nasionalisma Melayu dan bagaimana pemikiran mereka dilihat masih relevan sehingga sekarang. Keistimewaan Dr Farish juga dilihat bagaimana ia mengaitkan sumber-sumber daripada naskah Melayu klasik sebagai latarbelakang justeru mengesahkan proses sosialisasi penyatuan antara kaum di Negara ini sebenarnya telah lama wujud. Isu-isu yang menyentuh soal agama Islam dan orang Melayu serta hubungkaitnya daripada segi pelaksanaan undang-undang Islam oleh penguatkuasa yang ghairah tetapi sempit pemikirannya juga diulas secara kritikal dan terbuka. Buku ini sarat dengan idea dan pemikiran baru tentang betapa perlunya bangsa Malaysia bersikap lebih terbuka dalam melihat kekayaan warisan budaya dan tradisi sejarahnya, dan bagaimana ia dapat dimanfaatkan untuk mewujudkan masyarakat Malaysia baru melepasi faham politik perkauman


This book caught my attention. This is interesting...., I tought Malaysian never (want to) acknowledge that they were once belongs under Majapahit domination. Probably because they tought it was a "Javacentric" empire.... icon_neutral.gif
I remember a debate with Malaysian member in Wikipedia insisted to remove Majapahit from Malaysian history timeline, but Malaysian didn't seems to upset about the fact that they were once belongs to "Malay" Srivijayan empire.
trismegistos
QUOTE (Suzuka00 @ May 27 2009, 08:20 AM) *
Saludung is on borneo...
Selurong that sounds like Saludung was established by borneans before that there was no Selurong it was also because of the goodwill of the king of luzon,luzon is also identified with selurung much like philippines is identified with manila..

Saludong was implied by a caucasian historian as off the bay of Borneo. And it is incorrect.
Selurung or Saludong is what the Ancient Indonesians as well as the ancient Bruneians called the Lusung Kingdom.
Sultan of Brunei, Nakhoda Ragam aka Raja Baguinda of Mindanao aka Raja Humabon of the Bisayan islands and accdg to some was one and the same with Sultan Parameswara of the Malacca Sultanate(but i'm inclined to believe Parameswara was a forebear of Ragam), invaded Selurung or Lusung Kingdom and defeated its ruler Datu Gambang and married the latter's daughter a Dayang of the Kingdom of Sapa or Savaka. This King claimed he was an emperor from Malacca to Luzon and he was very proud Vijayan or Bisaya(he wore a bisayan chawat) with Chinese blood(he wore imperial Chinese clothes) and Arab blood(claimed he was descended to the Mohammed the prophet and to Iskander or Alexander the Great).
His descendants resulting from the intermarriage with the Kingdom of Sapa nobilities include the nobilities of Ternate and Moluccan islands(Spice Islands) via Gatpandan and nobilities of Lusung Kingdom with Tondo as its capital and with Lakandula as its ruler and Manila Sultanate under Raja Sulayman as well as the nobilities of the Sulu Sultanate.


QUOTE (Majapahitans @ Jun 8 2009, 10:43 AM) *




This book caught my attention. This is interesting...., I tought Malaysian never (want to) acknowledge that they were once belongs under Majapahit domination. Probably because they tought it was a "Javacentric" empire.... icon_neutral.gif
I remember a debate with Malaysian member in Wikipedia insisted to remove Majapahit from Malaysian history timeline, but Malaysian didn't seems to upset about the fact that they were once belongs to "Malay" Srivijayan empire.

They wouldn't be uspet that they did belong to the Srivijayan empire or better yet to this Shilifoshi or Sanfotsi or Zabag or Javaka or Savaka(Sanskrit word for people of the Sabang or Sapa(estuary) thallosocracy.
Judging from the grandeur of that Maritime network of independent states all under allegiance to a Maharaja.
http://asiapacificuniverse.com/pkm/presterjohn.htm
quote:

Indian empires of the 12th century

Was there any historical empire of the 12th century that indeed extended over the Three Indias?

There was one maritime empire that could possibly fit if one only sees the dominion extending to parts of the Three Indias. It was known in Chinese texts as Sanfotsi and among the Muslims as Zabag.

Sanfotsi/Zabag could fit the bill if one accepts the historical texts at their word, which not all modern scholars are willing to do.

Chinese geographical texts like the Chu-fan-chi (1225) of Chau Ju-Kua mention that Sanfotsi ruled over numerous kingdoms within insular and mainland Southeast Asia. They further extend the rule of this kingdom to Si-lan or Ceylon.

The Muslim geography of al-Masudi confirms this latter claim when it states that Zabag, widely considered the equivalent of the Chinese Sanfotsi, ruled over Sirandib, the Arabic name for Ceylon.

Furthermore, the geography of Ma Tuan-lin (circa 1200) states that Chou-lien, was a vassal of Sanfotsi, verifying the same claim in the Sung-shih (960 - 1279). Chou-lien was the Chinese name for the Chola empire of India3. Again, the Chinese claim is verified by Arab geographers who state that Kalikut was among the dependencies of Zabag.

The Chola emperor Rajendrachola claimed to have made some conquests himself in the East Indies. However, his statements have no support from independent sources, i.e., Chinese, Muslim or other historians. Even Rajendrachola's son only claimed one of these victories -- that of Kadaram, possibly the state of Kataha in Malaysia.

The Chinese and Muslim accounts gain support from substantial evidence of royal influence from insular Southeast Asia in India at this time. Pali texts from 13th century Ceylon mention "Savaka" princes on the island.

As mentioned earlier, Sanfotsi/Zabag was known by the Indians as Suvarnadvipa:

"the eastern islands in this ocean (Sea of Champa), which are nearer to China than India, are the islands of Zabaj, called by the Hindus, Suvarnadvipa, i.e. the gold islands... because you obtain much gold as deposit if you wash only a little of the earth of that country."

(Al-Biruni, 1030 AD)

The monarchs of Suvarnadvipa were very active among the Cholas. In 1005, a Suvarnadvipa king built a Buddhist vihara in the Chola state, which the Chola king granted revenues4. In 1014-1015, gifts were sent for a Hindu temple5, and again in 1018-10196. In the 1080s, the king of Suvarnadvipa built the foundation for a Buddhist temple in South India7.

If we accept the historical claims of the Chinese and Muslim texts, then two of the three Indias would be covered so far. Or at least we can say that Sanfotsi/Zabag extended over significant parts of these two Indias. But what about the third India in East Africa?

We know that at an earlier period, Austronesian seafarers from insular Southeast Asia settled on the island of Madagascar forming the Malagasy-speaking population of the island. However, not many people are aware of the fact that during the medieval period, both regions maintained substanial contact with each other.

The Book of the Wonders of India, written by a Muslim author mentions in 945 an expeditionary raid off the East African coast by a fleet of 1000 ships from the East Indies. Centuries later in 1154, the Arab geographer Idrisi wrote in Kitab Rujjar that "the people of the isles of Zabag come to the land of Zanj on small and large ships...for they understand one another's languages." He also states: "The residents of Zabag go to the land of Sofala (near Beira, Mozambique) and export the iron from there supplying it to all the lands of India. No iron is comparable to theirs in quality and sharpness."

Idrisi, whose patron was Roger II of Sicily, also states about trade expeditions to Zanj: "The people of Komr (Khmer) and the merchants of the land of the Mihraj (ruler of Zabag) come among them (the Zanj) and are well received and trade with them."

Tanzanian traditions suggest that there was a settlement around Pemba and Zanzibar of a people they called the Debuli from �Diba� and Jawa8. They were supposed to be responsible for planting the coconut palms and mangoes along the Tanzanian coast. As we will examine in the section on the spice routes the relationship between the Tanzanian coast and the East Indies may extend back into deep antiquity. There are different theories as to where Diba and Jawa refer, but one possibility is that Diba is a form of Dabag, thought to be a Nestorian corruption of Zabag. Jawa can refer to any number of East Indian locations such as Java, Sabah, Davao, Toubok, etc. The Debuli were said to be a seafaring people whose ships had sails of coconut palm fiber.

That the kingdom of Sanfotsi/Zabag extended over a vast region that might be said to span the "Three Indias" we have this quote from Mas'udi:

"In the sea of Champa (eastern South China Sea) is the empire of Maharaja, the king of the islands, who rules over an empire without limit and has innumerable troops. Even the most rapid vessels could not complete in two years a tour round the isles which are under his possesssion. The territories of this king produce all sorts of spices and aromatics, and no other sovereign of the world gets as much wealth from the soil."

(Mas'udi, 943)
end of quote
PerisaiLangkasuka
QUOTE (trismegistos @ Jun 8 2009, 10:58 PM) *
Was there any historical empire of the 12th century that indeed extended over the Three Indias?

There was one maritime empire that could possibly fit if one only sees the dominion extending to parts of the Three Indias. It was known in Chinese texts as Sanfotsi and among the Muslims as Zabag.

Sanfotsi/Zabag could fit the bill if one accepts the historical texts at their word, which not all modern scholars are willing to do.

Chinese geographical texts like the Chu-fan-chi (1225) of Chau Ju-Kua mention that Sanfotsi ruled over numerous kingdoms within insular and mainland Southeast Asia. They further extend the rule of this kingdom to Si-lan or Ceylon.

The Muslim geography of al-Masudi confirms this latter claim when it states that Zabag, widely considered the equivalent of the Chinese Sanfotsi, ruled over Sirandib, the Arabic name for Ceylon.

Furthermore, the geography of Ma Tuan-lin (circa 1200) states that Chou-lien, was a vassal of Sanfotsi, verifying the same claim in the Sung-shih (960 - 1279). Chou-lien was the Chinese name for the Chola empire of India3. Again, the Chinese claim is verified by Arab geographers who state that Kalikut was among the dependencies of Zabag.

The Chola emperor Rajendrachola claimed to have made some conquests himself in the East Indies. However, his statements have no support from independent sources, i.e., Chinese, Muslim or other historians. Even Rajendrachola's son only claimed one of these victories -- that of Kadaram, possibly the state of Kataha in Malaysia.

The Chinese and Muslim accounts gain support from substantial evidence of royal influence from insular Southeast Asia in India at this time. Pali texts from 13th century Ceylon mention "Savaka" princes on the island.

As mentioned earlier, Sanfotsi/Zabag was known by the Indians as Suvarnadvipa:

"the eastern islands in this ocean (Sea of Champa), which are nearer to China than India, are the islands of Zabaj, called by the Hindus, Suvarnadvipa, i.e. the gold islands... because you obtain much gold as deposit if you wash only a little of the earth of that country."

(Al-Biruni, 1030 AD)

The monarchs of Suvarnadvipa were very active among the Cholas. In 1005, a Suvarnadvipa king built a Buddhist vihara in the Chola state, which the Chola king granted revenues4. In 1014-1015, gifts were sent for a Hindu temple5, and again in 1018-10196. In the 1080s, the king of Suvarnadvipa built the foundation for a Buddhist temple in South India7.

That the kingdom of Sanfotsi/Zabag extended over a vast region that might be said to span the "Three Indias" we have this quote from Mas'udi:

"In the sea of Champa (eastern South China Sea) is the empire of Maharaja, the king of the islands, who rules over an empire without limit and has innumerable troops. Even the most rapid vessels could not complete in two years a tour round the isles which are under his possesssion. The territories of this king produce all sorts of spices and aromatics, and no other sovereign of the world gets as much wealth from the soil."

(Mas'udi, 943)
end of quote

Actually ... various scholars in various eras used the name Suvarna Dvipa {Golden Island(s)} to mean either Sri Lanka, Sumatra, Java or any combination of them.

The Arabs were also gross simplifiers. They arabised "Suvarna Dvipa" to "Serendib", by which various Arab scholars called Sri Lanka, Sumatra or Java ... which later led to some Malay peoples in Malaya calling Sumatra as "Serindit", which is actually the name of a bird in Malay.

They also arabised either Sri Vijaya or Javaka to Zabaj/Zabag.

Interestingly, the word "serendib" - originally the Arabic corruption of "Suvarna Dvipa" - later became established in the Arabic language to mean something like "fortunate" or "lucky". It then eventually made its way from Arabic into the English language. Hence today we hv English words like "serendipity" n "serendipitious". Funny, isn't it?

Kataha (Pali), Kadaram (Tamil) or Qilah (Arabic) was actually a Malayan kingdom centred in today's Kedah state but held sway over much more territory further down the Malay Peninsula. Kataha itself came more or less under Palembang Sri Vijayan hegemony. While Sang Rama Vijayo Thunga Varman - the Sri Vijayan Maharaja - after having been defeated n captured by Rajendra Chola in 1025 AD in Kataha - where he had been spending more time than in Palembang - was forced to accept Cholan overlordship.

The 'concentric circles' structure - or sphere in sphere - again, if you like.

So when Rajendra Chola's son went to meet the Chinese emperor alongside a Sri Vijayan delegation, presenting himself as "Ruler of Kataha", he was ironically addressed as a vassal rather than overlord of Srivijaya ... to the hilarious amusement (strongly supressed, of course) of everyone except himself.

Well he was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Majapahitans
QUOTE (PerisaiLangkasuka @ Jun 25 2009, 02:18 AM) *
Interestingly, the word "serendib" - originally the Arabic corruption of "Suvarna Dvipa" - later became established in the Arabic language to mean something like "fortunate" or "lucky". It then eventually made its way from Arabic into the English language. Hence today we hv English words like "serendipity" n "serendipitious". Funny, isn't it?


Fascinating... I didn't know that "serendipity" came from "Serendib" and "Suvarnadvipa"... icon_smile.gif


QUOTE (PerisaiLangkasuka @ Jun 25 2009, 02:18 AM) *
They also arabised either Sri Vijaya or Javaka to Zabaj/Zabag.

Interestingly, the word "serendib" - originally the Arabic corruption of "Suvarna Dvipa" - later became established in the Arabic language to mean something like "fortunate" or "lucky". It then eventually made its way from Arabic into the English language. Hence today we hv English words like "serendipity" n "serendipitious". Funny, isn't it?


I learn that Arab called all Indonesian ethnicity and even Malaysian (whole Malay-Austronesian) as "Jawi"

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"Bangsa Arab menyebut tanah air kita Jaza'ir al-Jawi (Kepulauan Jawa). Nama Latin untuk kemenyan adalah benzoe, berasal dari bahasa Arab luban jawi (kemenyan Jawa), sebab para pedagang Arab memperoleh kemenyan dari batang pohon Styrax sumatrana yang dahulu hanya tumbuh di Sumatra. Sampai hari ini jemaah haji kita masih sering dipanggil "Jawa" oleh orang Arab. Bahkan orang Indonesia luar Jawa sekalipun. "Samathrah, Sholibis, Sundah, kulluh Jawi (Sumatra, Sulawesi, Sunda, semuanya Jawa)" kata seorang pedagang di Pasar Seng, Mekah."


Arab called the region of Java, Sumatra, Malay peninsula and surrounding islands as "Jawi", "Zabag". Even Arabic letters used in writing Malay language are called "Jawi". Indian called our region "Javaka", Siam called "Jawaa" and Khmer called it "Melayu" or "Chveah".

Arab called the region Java probably because first it based on Indian geographic notions of Javaka and Javadvipa island mentioned in Ramayana. According to 8th century Arab source, the center of Srivijaya was in Java, based on the description of its capital as a dense populated and fertile agricultural kingdom, which was not the description of port cities of Sumatra such as Palembang or Jambi. Probably the Arabian visit was took place during the court of Srivijaya was located in Sailendra's court of Central Java.


About Srivijaya and Sunda

Btw, in traditional Sundanese account also mentioned the overseas kingdom of "Kuntala" probably it was the same as what Chinese called "Kantoli". Some historian believe it was the predecessor of Srivijaya located somewhere on eastern coast of Sumatra. Back in 80's in popular "Saur Sepuh" historical radio drama written by Niki Kosasih, also mentioned Kuntala as the arch-enemy of Sunda, the menacing marauding sea pirates and "penjajah orang Sunda". They defeated Tarumanagara that disintegrate into twin kingdoms; Sunda kingdom in the west and Galuh kingdom in the east. It was probably Srivijaya that launch military expedition on West Java, not Kuntala, but ancient Sundanese still identify them as "Kuntala". This overseas forces became overlord of West Java for centuries, until the demise of Srivijayan Malay Mandala and the emergence of united Sunda-Galuh kingdom (simply called as Sunda) in 12th-13th century. The fascinating thing is, although Sundanese language has common words to Javanese yet quite different in structure and pronounciation, Sundanese language instead of Java, have loads of old Malay origin words... Sundanese also have their own version traditional recipe of "Laksa" (the most popular is Laksa Bogor), while Javanese don't have any Laksa dish... we know that Laksa is Malay origin food.., trace of Malay Srivijayan domination over centuries?.
Majapahitans
Recently people "start" to realize that maybe Majapahit invented the first Piggy-Bank... beerchug.gif



I took this picture from National Museum of Indonesia, Jakarta, and upload it on wikipedia. As the result people worlwide in the net just went crazy and excited about this ancient piggy-bank.
I've red an European traveler drag his Indonesian friend to accompany him visit Jakarta National Museum just to see this ancient Piggy-bank...
"Piggy bank... piggy bank... celengan babi..., celengan babi...!" embarassedlaugh.gif (well "celeng" itself means wild boar)

Big in Japan: Exploding piggy bank helps you save money

All this time I tought piggy-bank was European origin, probably created by ancient Roman potters...
Or maybe created by ancient Chinese potters, but I highly doubt that, since ancient Chinese money is mainly gold and silver ingots (tael) not coins. Coins money just invented later during Ming dynasty. Yet the Chinese coin is adopted in Majapahit currency system.
The fact is... up until now the oldest findings of pig-shaped coin container still is Majapahit's.

My theory of the origin of piggy bank:
The Nawanatya book from Majapahit era mentions a court official whose duty was to protect the markets. 'Eight thousands cash every day from the markets is the share' received by this official. The 'cash' referred to in this text is Chinese bronze coins which became Majapahit's official currency in around 1300, replacing gold and silver currency which had been in use for centuries.
Back in Ancient Mataram (Sailendra and Sanjaya dynasty), the Klaten-Prambanan 9th century Wonoboyo hoard contains cornseed-like gold money (it is not in the form of coin). The container was white-blue (Tang dynasty) Chinese ceramic Jar. So the money container at that time took form of a jar from clay pottery or Chinese ceramics, it didn't took any animal form yet.

Chinese coins were apparently preferable because they were available in small denominations, suitable for use in markets. This change suggests that economic life in Trowulan was marked by specialized occupations, wages, and the acquisition of most daily needs by purchase. Important evidence for the 14th-century Javanese perception of money comes in the form of clay piggy banks with slits in their backs large enough to admit a coin.

Ancient Hindu Majapahit associated domestic wealth and fortune with boar or pig. They raised pig in their house vicinity, feed them with domestic garbages like food and vegetable garbages etc. as founds in present traditional Balinese household that still retain their Majapahit culture and rising domestic pig. The association of pig figurines and containers for saving money is obvious; in present Javanese and Indonesian, the word 'celengan' means 'piggy bank', 'money box', or 'saving', while the root word 'celeng' itself means boar or pig. Coin containers in other shapes have also been found.

Back in 14th century in Majapahit piglet money container was in boom.., all the kids beg their mother to buy them a cute piggy coin container... icon_smile.gif Many findings in Trowulan discover this ancient piggybank. Probably somewhere in 16th century a piggbank has made its way into a European merchant ship and sailed to Europe. Probably in British isle a potter took interest in the fascinating design and copy this cute piggy money container. From Europe the popularity of piggybank spread worldwide...


Fascinating..., I found out that Artemis Gallery also share this theory:

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Artemisgallery.com Majapahit pottery piggy bank


Description
Whimsical! Ancient Pottery Pig from Trowulan, Java, Majapahit empire rule, ca. 13th-15th century A.D. Large terracotta pig created as a bank in medieval Indonesia. 5-1/2"L x 3"W, intact/excellent condition. These type vessels were brought back by English sailors in the 16th and 17th centuries, and became the prototype for the modern Piggy bank - now found all over the world.


Whadya think...? icon_smile.gif
JoeRagan
^ I’ll say that is awesome Mas that piggy bank is the brainchild of Majapahitans
and I wonder if they came up with the innovative idea of Arisan too. icon_smile.gif
Researchers also suggest that some forms of ancient kites (made from leaves) were invented in Indonesia too!

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