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BigBenChow
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China stuns U.S. women, sweeps gymnastics golds

AARHUS, Denmark -- The only team with an outside chance to topple the Americans did just that.

The Chinese women pulled off a stunner Wednesday, getting a second straight great performance from Zhang Nan to win their first world gymnastics title and give their country a sweep of the team gold. The men won Tuesday. Not a bad way to set the stage with 22 months until the Olympics in Beijing.

Although the men's win could have been expected, this one certainly wasn't.

The U.S. brought a stack of medals from last year's individual worlds with them to Denmark. Even with their national champion, Nastia Liukin, limited to one event, the Americans crushed everyone -- including China -- in preliminaries.

In that part of the competition, though, teams are allowed to throw away their worst score. In finals, every score counts. So does every mistake, and the Americans made too many.

They had major errors on three of their 12 routines and finished with 181.35 points, 0.85 fewer than the Chinese. Russia, rebuilding after winning bronze in Athens, finished third.

``I guess that's why they call it sport,'' said Kathy Kelly, senior director of the American women's program. ``Totally unexpected. But you can't take anything away from China.''

It was a great day for the Chinese, who finished seventh at the Athens Olympics. They haven't won a medal at worlds since 1999 and in 2003, they infamously gave away the bronze when an athlete was penalized for warming up for her beam routine on the podium near the beam, which wasn't allowed.

There were no such mistakes this time. In fact, not many mistakes at all, to speak of.

The Chinese women wrapped it up on floor where Zhang, their steadiest competitor through most of this rebuilding phase, put in an error-free routine that had the audience clapping. She didn't wait for her score -- a 14.8 -- to be posted before she was on the sideline hugging, high-fiving and celebrating with her teammates.

The United States still had to compete on floor, where they had defending world champion Alicia Sacramone and all-around champion Chellsie Memmel waiting, but the deficit was too steep.

The table had been set for an upset much earlier. On the first routine, Jana Bieger barely kept herself from falling on her backside on the vault landing, earning a score of 13.95.

Then came an even bigger stunner, when Memmel couldn't make the grab on a release move on the uneven bars. She made a thump when she hit the mat, drowned out milliseconds later by a huge gasp from the crowd.

Indeed, nobody expected this.

"But that's the name of the game in finals, when it's three up, three count," Kelly said. "It's 'stay on,' and we didn't stay on."



Can't wait till 2008.
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kingofloss
The world will be ours soon enough. Soon enough... victory.gif
mobi3232
excellent results. gymnastics in the olympics is one of my favorite events to watch and looks like the 2008 showing will be one that is worth watching. beerchug.gif
ktchong
China did not defeat the US in that competition. From what I've read, China won ONLY BECAUSE the US women had made a shocking amount of mistakes.

Chinese women upset U.S. in gymnastics

It was a surpise victory for China. So, basically, China got lucky this time. Shouldn't get too cocky.
big_d!ck
QUOTE(ktchong @ Oct 18 2006, 07:34 PM) *

China did not defeat the US in that competition. From what I've read, China won ONLY BECAUSE the US women had made a shocking amount of mistakes.

Chinese women upset U.S. in gymnastics

It was a surpise victory for China. So, basically, China got lucky this time. Shouldn't get too cocky.


But if you made mistakes that mean you are not as good as the other guys...am I missing something here?
ekkenergy
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supernovasp
will this be on ESPN? or was it already on?
Ling7
QUOTE(ktchong @ Oct 19 2006, 10:34 AM) *

China did not defeat the US in that competition. From what I've read, China won ONLY BECAUSE the US women had made a shocking amount of mistakes.
Chinese women upset U.S. in gymnastics

It was a surpise victory for China. So, basically, China got lucky this time. Shouldn't get too cocky.

Mistakes are mistakes. China DID defeat the US in that competition because the US were not rehearsed enough. A shocking amount of mistakes? That doesn't mean China got lucky. It means the US simply weren't good enough.
kunomchu
ya lol

congrats!
Mr. Tree
WOOT!!

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LoserSQRD
QUOTE(ktchong @ Oct 18 2006, 08:34 PM) *

China did not defeat the US in that competition. From what I've read, China won ONLY BECAUSE the US women had made a shocking amount of mistakes.

Chinese women upset U.S. in gymnastics

It was a surpise victory for China. So, basically, China got lucky this time. Shouldn't get too cocky.


athletic competition is about who makes the least mistakes.

Besides that, China has always been a powerhouse in gymnastics. They're right up there with the U.S. Russia, and until recently Romania.n
BigBenChow
QUOTE(ktchong @ Oct 18 2006, 08:34 PM) *

China did not defeat the US in that competition. From what I've read, China won ONLY BECAUSE the US women had made a shocking amount of mistakes.

Chinese women upset U.S. in gymnastics

It was a surpise victory for China. So, basically, China got lucky this time. Shouldn't get too cocky.


So in basketball, if the loosing team made mistakes with shooting the ball. Does that mean the winning team was lucky?

IF the US team members broke her legs or arms or something, then yes, it was luck on our part. But in this case, no. We won fairly, because gymnastics is all about making the least mistakes.
Ino_II
the chinese team was better. fair and simple. the U.S. team was crap.
DingDingDing
QUOTE(BigBenChow @ Oct 19 2006, 08:47 AM) *

So in basketball, if the loosing team made mistakes with shooting the ball. Does that mean the winning team was lucky?


Sometimes yes. In football(soccer), a team may have the most shots and most posessions, but make no goals, while the other team luckily makes a goal! Now that's facking lucky.

I believe the Chinese gymnastic team was lucky.
Chinese DesertFox
QUOTE(DingDingDing @ Oct 19 2006, 02:23 PM) *

Sometimes yes. In football(soccer), a team may have the most shots and most posessions, but make no goals, while the other team luckily makes a goal! Now that's facking lucky.

I believe the Chinese gymnastic team was lucky.

That's sounds ridiculous even as you say it.

Gymnastics is based precisely on how many mistakes the athlete makes, which can usually attributed to a lack in physical or mental strength.

Maybe you're the type of student that tells your classmates that they got "lucky" you made so many mistakes on an exam.
WarEngineer
daamn though, those girls looks like they take steroids
kunomchu
they don't have to worry about ball shrinkage
Anda
QUOTE(WarEngineer @ Oct 19 2006, 02:29 PM) *

daamn though, those girls looks like they take steroids

Oh yeah. Born for gymnasitics

recently I saw documentary about their training. That was no fun. believe me it was harsh.
Only countries like communist Romania or PRC could push their children like that.
DingDingDing
QUOTE(Chinese DesertFox @ Oct 19 2006, 04:40 PM) *

That's sounds ridiculous even as you say it.

Gymnastics is based precisely on how many mistakes the athlete makes, which can usually attributed to a lack in physical or mental strength.

Maybe you're the type of student that tells your classmates that they got "lucky" you made so many mistakes on an exam.


Lol! Luck is part of every game, stop being so cocky all of a sudden. Talktohand.gif

I'm still a bit confused about the "exam" example you stated. How does me getting mistakes on an exam affect my friends? Lol good laugh though biggthumpup.gif .... sure.gif
big_d!ck
QUOTE(WarEngineer @ Oct 19 2006, 04:29 PM) *

daamn though, those girls looks like they take steroids


I bet they can kick your nerdy @$$.
holamon
QUOTE(DingDingDing @ Oct 19 2006, 05:24 PM) *

Lol! Luck is part of every game, stop being so cocky all of a sudden. Talktohand.gif

I'm still a bit confused about the "exam" example you stated. How does me getting mistakes on an exam affect my friends? Lol good laugh though biggthumpup.gif .... sure.gif


If the professor grades you on a curve, you bring the average down. That's how you affect other students. icon_wink.gif
Ino_II
glad to see those americans get a preview of wahts to come in 2008 icon_wink.gif
northwestern_student
QUOTE(DingDingDing @ Oct 19 2006, 02:23 PM) *

Sometimes yes. In football(soccer), a team may have the most shots and most posessions, but make no goals, while the other team luckily makes a goal! Now that's facking lucky.

I believe the Chinese gymnastic team was lucky.


that's what happened in the France V Italy football match.

Italy got incredi-fu-king-bly lucky
Elysee
QUOTE(northwestern_student @ Oct 20 2006, 03:06 AM) *

that's what happened in the France V Italy football match.

Italy got incredi-fu-king-bly lucky


i am just wondering how many people in the states actually care about soccer and even call soccer "football"?
northwestern_student
dude i got so fu-king pissed off by that match. france was the better team, hands down. and that matterazi, what a fu-king douchebag, you don't just call someone's mother a fu-king ho without expecting any reprisals.


actually more americans care about football (or soccer) than you would like to believe. most people i knew watched the world cup.
Elysee
QUOTE(northwestern_student @ Oct 20 2006, 03:15 AM) *

dude i got so fu-king pissed off by that match. france was the better team, hands down. and that matterazi, what a fu-king douchebag, you don't just call someone's mother a fu-king ho without expecting any reprisals.
actually more americans care about football (or soccer) than you would like to believe. most people i knew watched the world cup.


that's a tactic.....sadly zizou just fell right into it.

everybody is insulting everyone in a football match, in expecting the other side would get mad and do something really stupid.

I do not think France is the better team 'coz honestly Italy is pretty damn good as well.

northwestern_student
maybe so, but in that match, france played much better than italy.

france had more possession of the ball, was more often on the offensive, executed more attacks, and charged the italians, rather than vice versa.
Chinese DesertFox
QUOTE(DingDingDing @ Oct 19 2006, 05:24 PM) *

Lol! Luck is part of every game, stop being so cocky all of a sudden. Talktohand.gif

I'm still a bit confused about the "exam" example you stated. How does me getting mistakes on an exam affect my friends? Lol good laugh though biggthumpup.gif .... sure.gif

That was a pretty stupid post, did you think that up yourself?

We're not talking about whether or not luck is a factor in sports, so don't try to weasel your way out of this one. Just because one side performed poorly certainly doesn't mean the other side got "lucky." The example with the exam proves this point, but it doesn't seem you're smart enough to fathom it. So let me put it simpler terms for your feeble mind.

There are three students, A, B, and C who have just taken an exam and are awaiting scores. Student A finds out he scors a 95/100, student B discovers his score is 80/10, and student C receives a score of 70/100. Student C, being the jealous little prick that he is, exclaims to student A and B that they got extremely lucky that he made so many careless mistakes. If not, he would have received full marks and beaten them both! Clearly someone is being a sore loser here. (Hey stupid, it's you)

China completely dominated this event, but I suppose there are always going to be a few jealous little pricks out there.
BigBenChow
QUOTE(DingDingDing @ Oct 19 2006, 06:24 PM) *

Lol! Luck is part of every game, stop being so cocky all of a sudden. Talktohand.gif

I'm still a bit confused about the "exam" example you stated. How does me getting mistakes on an exam affect my friends? Lol good laugh though biggthumpup.gif .... sure.gif


So then based on your argument, every single time someone win at something... it is luck?
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