Why doesn't India have a seat on the UN Security Council? We are the
world's second most populous nation. We have a growing, thriving,
technology-driven economy. We are a nuclear power and a regional military
power. We are a force for stability in our own neighborhood. We are
a major player in global trade. So how does a weak, pointless, trivial
nation like France get a security counsel seat, but not India ?

I think China is the reason why India still did not get a Permanent U.N seat.
China should stop using her veto power to block India.

no, the US and Russia (I think France as well, not sure) vetos too.

and france is not weak. it's economy is triple to quadruple that of india's (i think 1.5 times of china's). militarily it is superior (mostly technologically speaking) compared to india's

I'll tell y'all the real reason why India doesn't have a seat on the Security Council.

The reason is due to an outdated WWII era organization that was founded (originally) as a sucessor to the League of Nations. The only way to get the major Allied Powers to join such an organization was to give them veto powers above all others (which is why USA and USSR signed in the first place).

That same organziation still stands today, and that is why India does not have a seat (and due to the reason that during the founding year of the U.N., India was still under the United Kingdom's direct control).

The United Nations (arguably) was never meant to succeed and this is shown quite clearly in its current configuration (which is severly outdated).

I think its time for an update of the council and/or a scrapping of the U.N. as a whole.

India hasn't been recognized as a potential superpower by the UN until relatively recently. It may later have a place on the UN security council but not at present. China is not trying to block out India. In fact, China was actually supporting India's bid for a place on the UN security council.


It depends which method your using. France's economy is almost triple of India's economy in terms of nominal GDP (exchange rates). In terms of real GDP (PPP), India's economy is more than double of France's economy. India's economy is also developing more rapidly. France's military is indeed technologically superior to India but the Indian army is numerically superior, over 5 times as large as France's army. France is not a weak nation in any way but it doesn't have the same kind of potential as China or India.

China never really oppposed India's bid on he UN security council. However, China does not have any obligation to support India's bid too.

how come everythings Chinas fault haha

No, China blocked Japan's bid.....and by extension blocked the bid of the four country alliance that included Japan, India, Brazil and one other country (forgot which one). China supports India's bid as long as its for India only and not Japan.

Easy logic

Argentina objects Brazil

China objects Japan

Pakistan objects India

Italy objects Germany



Don't says everything casuing Indian dissatisfaction is due to China.




Because India always claim Tibet.

Actually, France objects to Germany.

India does not claim Tibet.

Germany and France are allies.


If India don't claim Tibet, why she supports Dalai Lama 14th?

Dalai Lama 14th has challenged China for severeignty over Tibet and said that India is more reasonable to have severeignty over Tibet.

France and the U.K. might be allies with Germany but that does not mean they support Germany's bid. It wasn't until recently that France put its support behind the G4. Prior to that, they strictly opposed Germany's bid. Italy is of less concern as it is primarily of the Coffee Club.

The Dalai Lama is a political refugee. Just because he lives in India and is liked by the government doesn't mean India's out to claim Tibet.

If the Dalai Lama said Tibet is better of in India, then that was not a claim made by India. It was a claim made by the Dalai Lama who was expressing his own opinion. India had nothing to do with it.

BTW Typing in large font doesn't make your points more valid.

cuzz that guy's a troll

Whats the point of adding more UNSC members? It will only lessen the power of those currently in the council. Plus no one wants to give up their seats.

The UNSC, as it currently stands, is horribly unbalanced and is adhering to a WWII era formation. The world has changed withing the last 60 years, and the UNSC needs to reflect that.

yeah,it is reasonable to give permanent seat to some new guys including india.
but it is impossible to give vetos to them,otherwise,UN would become a forum that can't do nothing.


current P5 can't abandoned their veto or allow new ones to co-enjoy the privileges if UN does exist.




if india had applied a UNSC permanent seat alone instead of with Japan,the chance would be more .

UN doesn't get anything done as it is. India has pledged not to use its veto power for some years if it is grated the opportunity.

As of current, India is pursuing its own permanent seat. The G4 was more of a support group than a bloc. Also, Japan has been working outside of the G4 recently, so its not like India's bid is tied to Japan in any way.....

If we give India a UNSC seat, then we will have to give Brazil, Germany, and Japan seats. And as you know, China will veto the japan seat.

They do? Where the heck did you hear that?

Not necessarily. While the G4 is meant to be a support and cooperation group, it doesn't permanently bind the members together. Each one is essentially looking out for themselves, and if you give one a seat it doesn't mean you HAVE to give another a seat (although I'm sure all four want seats real bad).....

well Japan contributes the most money to the UN and to them, it hasn't paid off since they don't clearly don't have a seat. If India gets a seat instead of Japan, the Japanese would be really pissed off considering how much money they give the UN.

Yeah, that's true.

the simpiest way is to abandon U.N.
then creat a new organization to take the place of U.N.

yeah but without US or China membership, it be a joke lol

Not necessarily.

how about without all the UNSC countries?

Yeah, then it would be a joke.

What needs to be done is reform of the UN. But without the support of the permanent members of the UNSC, no major changes are likely going to happen. Things will likely change as countries such as India and Japan get stronger economically and militarily. Its bound to happen.

I still don't get it. A lot of people here are complaining China is not supporting India for a permanent seat on the UN Security Council. My question is why China should support India's bid? Can anyone answer me this question?

Who are you talking about? No one's complaining about it.

Actually, I think China was actually supporting India's bid to my surprise but of course strongly opposes Japan's bid.

I don't know why since pakistan would be pissed off

China is looking at the bigger picture. India on the UNSC is a good thing.

How so?

India is a key strategic power and up and coming superpower.

and why would China support a competitive india? Especially when its allied with United States to contain China?

Well, the India's not allied with America to contain China. The U.S. may wish to contain China, but that's not India goal. We are far too busy with ourselves to be concerned about China.

China actually supports India's bid for a permanent UNSC seat.

Asia Times Online: Beijing boosts Delhi's bid for UN council seat

People's Daily Online: Chinese Premier says China supports India's bid for UNSC seat

China Online: China Supports India's Bid for UNSC Seat


So, why did China block India's bid? Because India foolishly made its bid along with Japan as a group.


India Times: China okay with India at UNSC minus Japan

Chinese ambassador Sun Yuxi said, "We need developing countries in the expanded Security Council and hope India would play a larger role in international affairs, including the UN."

He added that China was not an obstacle to New Delhi's bid. He said China had worked against the G-4, comprising India, Brazil, Germany and Japan, because Tokyo was in the group.

" "We are opposed to Japan's bid as it has not adopted the correct attitude to historic issues," the envoy said. Extending conditional support to India's bid for permanent membership of the UN Security Council, China virtually asked it not to make a claim jointly with Japan as part of G-4 if it wanted Beijing's backing."


China has practically told India not to make the bid with Japan, but India would not listen. China must veto Japan's bid, at whatever cost necessary. So don't blame China.


India really should make the bid by itself without Japan. Then India is guaranteed to gain a permanent seat on UNSC. As a Chinese, I would love to see that happen because it'll send a strong message to Japan. The message is China is giving Japan "the finger". It'll like an insult and humiliation to Japan: "Haha, we let India onto UNSC, but not Japan! SCREW YOU JAPAN! And there's not a damned thing you little Japonese can do about it!"

With over 1 billion people and an emerging economy, India deserve a permenent seat.

The G4 is not permanently binding. All four of the countries have their own agendas. India is looking out for its own bid regardless of what happens to Japan. I think India's bid will go through, and I think Brazil may go through too.

None of the P5 want to give up power, there is no reason for it.

In any case, India is expanding, "with or without you"..... lalala...

Ha ha........

I luv how you made it seem, like......Oh we hate Japan so much, we'll even let India in, that's right India!

Because we hate you that much!


Japan isn't some evil tyrant anymore. It's a modern peaceful American controlled state. I mean Japan is the most technologically advanced country in Asia, but it's not on the council? WTF? Japan shouldn't be punished forever for some mistakes in the past. I don't know about other Indians, but I would of gladly had the Japanese colonize India for 400 yrs, then those dirtbag thieving racists, rapists, Brit bastards. But it seems that the West gets a pass for all their atrocities, but Japan has to keep apologising. Weird!

Like for example, a Fillipino person might complain about how horrible the Japanese occupation was etc. etc... But I'm think "are u crazy, what about the Spaniards?" The Japanese stayed for a few decades, but Spaniards stayed for 300 yrs, 300 yrs. Do you know how long 300 yrs. is!
Surely you can do more damage in 300 yrs than you can do in a few decades! It's the weirdest thing, no one is willing to forgive Japan! But everyone loves/wants to imitate the West, even after all their atrocites. I mean did the Japanese wipe out the indigenous/aboriginals of America, Latin America, Australia, New Zealand? Did the create the biggest racial slave trade mankind has ever seen? Did they lynch blacks? Did they create racial apartheid? Did they create the Holocaust? NO TO ALL!

I disagree.

In any case, it's not our problem if the Japanese wanted to do a little population control in China.

Really? You'd rather have White Nationalist Christian racist country control India for 400yrs? Causing caste, racial, state division in the process. Raping, stealing and re-wrinting history along the way. Instead of an East Asian Shinto Buddhist country?

Your argument is silly. No foreign hand is preferred.

I'm saying if it was between the two. Obviously no one would want either.

The point was there is alot of Japan bashing because of ancient history. If anything Japan deserved a seat before China. My opinion.

I don't think much of western culture but mongoloid culture is even more disgusting.

Point is that foreign hands are not wanted and frankly who cares about Japan, I just said they are good people to work with.

this is the same troll from before. we don't need anymoe crap. let's not.

please ban him.

The Nanjing Massacre by the Imperial Japanese Army in China was equivalent to a Holocaust but doesn't get as much attention. The same thing may have happened in India if the Indian Army had lost to them.


South Asian culture has a lot more in common with East Asian culture than it does with Western culture. How can it be any worse?

Closing thread.