QUOTE(Majapahitans @ Apr 3 2007, 10:25 AM) [snapback]2834770[/snapback]
Oh... my bad...., thousands of appologies O' miss internationale travel.....
I just giving a piece of my mind about zat Indon word.
perfect display of what some indonesians do in debates when they cant win and when cornered .. they sneer at people or sarcastically insult people.
fact: You first accused me of being ignorant (and imply that I am arrogant simply becuse I travel a lot) because lived in Europe too long. That was an unnecessary insult, as I did not insult you, you are insignificant to me.
So I was merely responding by telling you that I am not ignorant about this case in particular because I travel to Malaysia a lot... hate the game, not the player.. you are a very funny person.. If I had your attitude I wont last a day here.. kesal trus ngatain orang.. heheheh kayak anak kecil..
This issues is in the realm of language conotations and how we felt about it.
Maybe they meant harmless and neutral to refer us as Indon, but in the process that word has gain negative conotations or negative sentiments especially among Indonesians.
Again, I said repeatedly "for me personally" I could care less what you think about the word, i was just telling the malaysians here what i think, and that if they call me indon, i would not mind. Are you the only one who can give a piece of your mind? I am also entitled to give my opinion, and tell them that not all Indonesians object to the use of the word.
And I don't believe you tought of this: If they uses WNI instead, Indonesian will start to protest against using of "WNI" to refer to Indonesian.....?
(sorry I can say this analogue are ridiculous -- to avoid to state this analogue as.... stupid).
Of course we're not going to protest, coz we also refer us as WNI too.....
I was referring to your claim that the word Indon has been used in bad lights.
ex: "Indon Maid Kill Again, Illegal Indon Deported."
All this headlines gave the word "Indon" bad conotations for us. As if it felt that the word "Indon" is refer to this bad Indonesians and also the way Malaysian and Singaporean mock and ridicule us. <-- your words
So I was again merely saying that if the word Indon had a bad connotation because of "All this headlines" (your words, not mine) so let's say that all Malaysians and Singaporeans and Brunei never refer to us as Indons and use the word WNI instead..
then another Indonesian maid kills or steals or whatever it is some maids do (a very small minority, and bad people belong to all races, they do not solely belong to the Indonesians may I remind you) and the newspaper prints their issue with a headline saying "WNI maid kill again, Illegal WNI deported" and then another case, and another.. until the word WNI has, like Indon, been used in the papers so many times, most of which described some criminal act that Indonesians committed in Malaysia.. would "All this headlines" (actually, "All THESE headlines" is the correct phrase) give the word WNI bad connotation too?
That was my point.
So do more research, and tell me and all of us exactly what turned "Indon" to a word with a negative/bad light, and why, and how come, and maybe when it started to be that way.. if you have solid proof and facts supporting your claim then I applaud you, but until then do not sarcastically insult me, saying that I am stupid (dont insult my intelligence by saying you never said I was stupid, that you think only the analogue I presented was stupid. same difference. you should learn some manners before debating people) or prevent me to voice out my opinions in this forum.
This might be my last response to you as I am growing tired of debating nonsense with people I do not even know. warga malaysia, sorry to pollute this thread with these posts, but I promise I wont pollute it any further here so that you guys can continue discussing the word. If Mr. Majapahit wishes to insult me any further he is welcome to open a new thread in the indonesia chat with a title of "how stupid and arrogant ms. jakartaninbxl really is" or something to that effect, to satisfy his male ego.