President Clinton and Gore are not realistic on Prop.87. There is no such thing as alternative to fuel. Clinton and Gore said we should vote on Prop. 87 to do alternative to fuel gas. They are not realistic. Please vote No. on Proposition 87. We don't have the technology to create alternative to gas yet.

yes we do, its call hydrogen fuel cell technology, several automaking company such as toyota has already develop prototypes that run on it, I think it'll be release on the market in about 3-5 years. even oil company have started their own chain of Hydrogen cell fueling station, its all in the developmental stage since nobody own a hydrogen cell car yet.

And biodiesel isn't too unrealistic also.

I voted "Yes" on Prop.87 twice. I voted "Yes" on my absent ballot, and my dad's. He didn't know what to vote for so he gave it to me.

May be they have this technology but not at present time. They may have it years from now. But at this present time, there is no such thing as althernative to fuel. Gas or fuel is the only good fuel now for mechanics.

If you took the time/money to invest in it, you will get good alternatives to it. In Berkeley, the buses already run primarily on biodiesel.

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hm..
biodisel runs on the compound-methyl ethanoate rite?
if yes,it can be easily manufacture using alcohol and methane....but almost impossible to be mass produced

last thing we need is build up of co2 gases,cuz these molecues traps 6x heat than most atmospheric gases
already excess co2 has build up and resulting in global warming which have devastating enviromental consequences.
of course biodisel being a compund of the alkene and alkane homologous series which means that water vapour is being produced too...which is redundant altho 'safe'

probaly somethign better have to be produce like installing of photovoltic cells in the cars?

Right now there is no solution for H2O and CO2 problem?

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i highlighted about the problems of co2
why ur returning me that question

Whatever happened to the electric car?

Some facts for you guys (i finished this 'global warming' subject a few years ago)

World energy consumption
prediction = 57% increase of world energy consumption from 2002 to 2025

The current break down of energy supplies for human
From: Oil (39%), natural gas (23%), coal (24%) ==> fossil fuels sources in total > 80%
Nuclear (7%) and renewable (8%)

It is predicted that that composition will not change much (just a few %) by about 2025

Miscellaneous
China and India's emission will surpass industrialised countries' emission by 2018
CFC stay longest in the atmosphere (take 50-400 years to get lost), then N2O (1-50 years)
Global warming potential (an indicator) is highest for N20

Green house gas= CO2, CFC, H2O, N2O, CH4
the concentration of GHG increases exponentially since industrial revolution
It is linked to global warming because it blocks the infra-red radiation (long-wave) going out of the earth.
GHG interacts with O3 and consume it, so the O3 layer get thinner as well.

Renewable energy
Wind, hydro, solar, wave, geothermal + biofuels, hydrogen
Now = 8% of world energy consumption and is predicted to remain so by 2025, even if we try to increase it
It is more expensive to produce
It is less efficient
To reduce its cost, a lot of investments are needed

Some impacts of global warming
Rise in temperature
Change in hydrological cycle
Rise in sea level
Extreme events increase in frequency

There you go, keep emitting CO2 and our children wont have to spend a lot of money to buy winter coat in the future

yeah we're pretty much screwed, we consume more than the earth can substained. the scary part is it is rapidly increasing. won't be long til we destroy the planet.

well Like they say, death solves all problems.

Yea that why i mentioned about the effect of co2
the last thing we want is the breeding of more tropical pest and dieases

It seems like there is no solution? There is no way we can get rid of access ocean water to prevent countries submerged underwater?

There is no solution,if the ice caps were to rise,then there is no turning back.
the increaese in sea level due to the melting ice caps will never change back to ice unless there is another ice age,but that will kill us all and another ice age is impossible cuz of the high global temperature.

And no,u can't get rid of the water on this earth,the volume of water on this earth will almost remain the same due to the hydrological cycle.
water>evaporation>rain>falls back to earth.

the only ways i can think of getting rid of water on earth is through chemical means like prodcuing some product on a large scale which requires water as its reactant.this will help to get 'rid' of the water.

i voted yes on it .. fossil fuels is not unlimited you know, i saw graphs and charts pointing in year 2040 the world will drain all of the oil and we wont have anymore until another 50,000 years or so ...

we need alternative fuels such as ethonol or hydrogen fuel cell for the sake of sustainablity and at the cost of lowering co2 emission which is the primary cause of global warming.

By the way, we actually need all the water we have .. without the high salt content, the ocean current flow will get fu-ked up out of whack .... if you really want to rid water, purify the sea water into safe drinking water through reverse osmosis and start watering deserts or something ..

i did mention,won't work
cuz no matter what u do to the water,like watering,etc etc....it will evaporate,condense in the cloud and fall as rain.
remeber evaporation takes place at any temperature.
its different from boiling.

the best alternative i came up so far is to form compund that require matter and then dispose of them or forming new substance that requires water molecue and which take a long time to biodegrade,keeping these water molecue in the substance and preventing them from evaporating.

Water molecule is strong. Even the A-bomb cannot get rid of it. How do we make the compound?

i don't mean getting rid like bombing it or somethign cuz it ain't gonna work.
maybe like reacting water with something to give a new compund

There is a big volume of water in the ocean, where to we store it?

U should read carefully...
i've said,industries should make compound which requires water molecues...and hopefully,the new compound will be a solid...which can be dump and stored beneath the ground.
This however requires global effort as it has to be done on a mass scale.

The new compound which is solid,be stored underground for decades until they breakdown and the water evaporate into the atmosphere.
this will allow scientist and enviromentalist to think of alternative ideas to stop the rising sea level

Do experts or scientists propose your idea?

I am going to vote Yes on 87.

We need the alternative energies to decrease our dependence of energy on foreign countries.

Beats me
no one know what goes on in that lab









is that scarcasm?

There is no true or real solution then?

Oh my god.. You guys are so off topic. Today is Nov. 7th. I am voting soon.

currently i don't know whats the UN agenda
But my idea can work but might not be practical

Global Warming is serious. The sea water level will rise. And the world does not have the solution yet?

A technical solution is not a problem. IMHO we don't have a economical viable solution. It's all about $$$.