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rockerfeller
Does the country have its own defense industry? Do you know any products (warship, gun, missile...) made by Philippines?
martin_nuke
We manufacture guns

http://www.armscor.com.ph/home.htm

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jenny_dgd04
If you are talking about Military, I think Philippines we need to improve our system because it is not good enough or maybe we should have more funding, more training and at the same time high tech weapons and navigation system.
Eka_miminum_sumawa_kang_susuka
yeah we got
an airforce that can't fly
navy that can't set sail

got a highly trained soldiers that baricade oakwood
then decides they're just doing it for fun
Sirikittong
QUOTE(Eka_miminum_sumawa_kang_susuka @ Nov 6 2006, 11:28 AM) [snapback]2457049[/snapback]

yeah we got
an airforce that can't fly
navy that can't set sail

got a highly trained soldiers that baricade oakwood
then decides they're just doing it for fun


I really find that very disrespectful. The AFP is doing what it can with the limited funds it is provided with. As a Filipino, if you really are a Filipino, you should be greatful for the dedication and the time they give int he protection of the Philippines. Keeping terrorism at bay, keeping intruders out of Phil. waters and keeping the entire country in check.

I have much faith in our Philippine friends. Much have the Kingdom of Thailand and the Republic of the Philippines went through during these past 3-4 decades. From the communist threat, to the islamic cessionists, to the present day looming threat of terrorism. Both our countries work with each other and have a common threat.

I would be honored to see the Philippines and Thailand rise above any of our threats and problems.

That is what makes nations 'GREAT'.

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I personally find your lack of pride in your country very demeaning and disturbing.
rockerfeller
QUOTE(martin_nuke @ Nov 6 2006, 10:03 AM) [snapback]2455277[/snapback]


Thank U. It's very useful. Does Philippines make or upgrade planes, warships, tanks...?
martin_nuke
QUOTE(rockerfeller @ Nov 7 2006, 01:06 AM) [snapback]2458951[/snapback]

Thank U. It's very useful. Does Philippines make or upgrade planes, warships, tanks...?


No we don't manufacture planes, warships and tanks but we manufacture the SIMBA Armoured Personel Carriers which is lightweight deadly and fast I think approx 60mph. I think this is under lisensed by the British.

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rockerfeller
QUOTE(martin_nuke @ Nov 7 2006, 01:24 PM) [snapback]2459002[/snapback]

No we don't manufacture planes, warships and tanks but we manufacture the SIMBA Armoured Personel Carriers which is lightweight deadly and fast I think approx 60mph. I think this is under lisensed by the British.




That's cool. Do u have any links? I would like to read the info about that.
martin_nuke
QUOTE(rockerfeller @ Nov 7 2006, 01:28 AM) [snapback]2459016[/snapback]

That's cool. Do u have any links? I would like to read the info about that.


Sorry I dont not know the link.
bari
QUOTE(Sirikittong @ Nov 7 2006, 01:44 AM) [snapback]2457069[/snapback]

I really find that very disrespectful. The AFP is doing what it can with the limited funds it is provided with. As a Filipino, if you really are a Filipino, you should be greatful for the dedication and the time they give int he protection of the Philippines. Keeping terrorism at bay, keeping intruders out of Phil. waters and keeping the entire country in check.

I have much faith in our Philippine friends. Much have the Kingdom of Thailand and the Republic of the Philippines went through during these past 3-4 decades. From the communist threat, to the islamic cessionists, to the present day looming threat of terrorism. Both our countries work with each other and have a common threat.

I would be honored to see the Philippines and Thailand rise above any of our threats and problems.

That is what makes nations 'GREAT'.

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I personally find your lack of pride in your country very demeaning and disturbing.


true... my cousin is a soldier and we're proud of him. mabuhay ang Pilipinas!
Eka_miminum_sumawa_kang_susuka
sorry sirkitong but I talk of reality

I'm a son of a an enlisted soldier

and by that I do know what I am talking about

AFP is now as corrupt as any Philippine Agency


btw do you know that our Fighter Jets' some parts and accessories are made from various items such as majong pieces?

bet you didn't know that

that's how corrupt this military is

YOU DON'T RELLY ON MAHJONG PIECES TO PROTECT THE PHILIPPINES!



also I am a Filipino, true blooded and never been out of this country
I am proud of the soldiers that have defended this country blindly
just like my father, just like my uncle

but I am talking about soldiers corrupted
soldiers being paid to make this country unstable
generals that sell munitions and guns to terrorist groups,seperatists,seccesionists
amunitions and guns that kill their own soldiers
rockerfeller
QUOTE(martin_nuke @ Nov 7 2006, 01:31 PM) [snapback]2459023[/snapback]

Sorry I dont not know the link.


I've found the link. It's very cool.

http://www.caat.org.uk/publications/econom...uction-0801.php
martin_nuke
Thanks

The Simba APCs are very ideal for jungle warfare and Philippine terrain, its like a 4 wheel drive all terrain vehicle with armour and weapons. If im not mistaken, I think the Simba is also an amphibian because it looks like a boat.

I know that the Philippines will also manufacture UAVs because the Philippine Air Force and Army wants to have a fleet of UAVs.

The Philippine Army has developed its own UAV, still unnamed, and will be ready for use in a month. Compared with Blue Horizon, the homegrown UAV has less endurance (two hours flying time) and a smaller radius (20 kilometers) and is much cheaper at 3.5 million pesos (about 66 million pesos).

http://www.kokhavivpublications.com/2001/i...107272233s.html
rockerfeller
QUOTE(martin_nuke @ Nov 8 2006, 11:03 AM) [snapback]2461601[/snapback]

Thanks

The Simba APCs are very ideal for jungle warfare and Philippine terrain, its like a 4 wheel drive all terrain vehicle with armour and weapons. If im not mistaken, I think the Simba is also an amphibian because it looks like a boat.

I know that the Philippines will also manufacture UAVs because the Philippine Air Force and Army wants to have a fleet of UAVs.

The Philippine Army has developed its own UAV, still unnamed, and will be ready for use in a month. Compared with Blue Horizon, the homegrown UAV has less endurance (two hours flying time) and a smaller radius (20 kilometers) and is much cheaper at 3.5 million pesos (about 66 million pesos).

http://www.kokhavivpublications.com/2001/i...107272233s.html


The info about UAV was posted in 2001. So if the project was successful, Filipino Army could have some domestic-made UAV now.
bari
I saw an episode on tv, i think it was 2001 where the defense sec. was trying out a new local made rifle made in cebu, he pulled the trigger and the rifle split into two!! talk about quality!
vynncute
QUOTE(jenny_dgd04 @ Nov 5 2006, 09:21 PM) [snapback]2455888[/snapback]

If you are talking about Military, I think Philippines we need to improve our system because it is not good enough or maybe we should have more funding, more training and at the same time high tech weapons and navigation system.


exclude mo yung more training, take note that we have the most experienced, battle hardened military of all south east asia.

the training doctrine that we have is based on the experience of our military.

What we need is funding so that we could go on na sa modernization program natin. we do have the manpower and the technical know how, what we do not have are the tools needed for the security of our beloved nation.
vynncute
QUOTE(rockerfeller @ Nov 4 2006, 10:05 PM) [snapback]2452897[/snapback]

Does the country have its own defense industry? Do you know any products (warship, gun, missile...) made by Philippines?


Weapons Manufacturing Industry:

- we have the biente dos, trenta y otso, paltik, de sabog, surit-surit, sumpak and the modified pellet gun all are made in danaw, cebu city.

Ammunition:

- Probably our ammo is the deadliest in the world,

"The rust soaked ammo", when you hit you will die of tetanus.


just kidding! laugh.gif


try this one Special Operations Assault Rifle

j_diddy
We export partol vessels to the foreign countries such as the UK and Australia.

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Cebu now launching high-tech naval vessels!
INSIDE CEBU By Bobit S. Avila
The Philippine Star 03/06/2006


Last Saturday noon, we rode to the town of Balamban, Cebu via the Transcentral Highway for the formal launching of the brand-new Boat No. 1021, a Sea Slice vessel named Lider, the most highly sophisticated high-tech vessel ever built in Asia by the FBMA Marine Inc. (an Aboitiz company) since it has been building fastcraft like the SuperCat ferry serving Cebu City and Ormoc City or the 50-knot TriCat ferry that plies Hong Kong and Macau.

Because it was being launched from the FBMA shipyard, therefore, we saw this vessel when it was still on its cradle before it slid into the water. One can immediately see the technology that Lockheed Martin (America’s biggest defense contractor, which built the World War II P-38 Lighting twin-engine fighter and the venerable C-130 Hercules that the Philippine Air Force still uses) designed into this vessel.

Underneath the Sea Slice’s twin hull are four "Torpedo-like hulls," which look more like mini-submarines, attached to its belly. It has been a known fact that submarines are impervious to big waves because waves affect only the surface of the ocean. Therefore, Lockheed Martin designed a vessel whose underwater structure resembles that of a submarine; hence, the Sea Slice can travel in comfort even in 10 feet swells!

To complete its high technology, the propellers are in the front part of the vessel (call it the front-wheel drive for ships) and it doesn’t have a traditional rudder to steer the vessel. What it has are small wings or vanes that not only steer the vessel, but also keep it steady in the roughest of weather. This is perhaps why this vessel doesn’t turn like a traditional ship, but more like an airplane making a turn. Originally, the Sea Slice was designed as fastcraft for the US Navy and Coast Guard.

Lockheed Martin designed Boat No. 1021 for commercial application for Hoteleria y Servicios Petroleros that operates a ferry service for the giant Pemex Corp., Mexico’s state oil company, and it’s the first commercial craft of its kind and it was built in Cebu! The Lider will serve as a "crewboat" to ferry workers from shore to the oilrigs in the rough seas of the Gulf of Mexico. It will replace helicopter ferries, which are more expensive and cannot fly in bad weather. It’s not a large vessel, only 28.5 meters long with a service speed of 22 knots.

Every time we in the media get invited to the launching of vessels in Balamban, we always get emotional because, as Mayor Alex Binghay of Balamban said in his speech,"These high-tech, world-class vessels are made in Balamban, Cebu… which means Filipinos do not really have to leave their country to find better jobs." We should inform our politicians about this!

On hand to grace the launching of Lider were Roberto Aboitiz and Ernesto Aboitiz of FBMA Marine and its CEO, Doug Border. Angel Morales represented the Lockheed Martin Company, while Jesus Cruz represented the Hoteleria y Servicios Petroleros. No launching could start without a blessing from God, which was done by Balamban parish priest Fr. Manuel Tan… complete with Sinulog offerings.

Ernie Aboitiz reminded me that this project rekindles the Galleon Trade that we once had with Mexico, which virtually put a stop to the Great Silk Road of Marco Polo’s days… because a ship could go from point to point smoothly, unlike on land routes, where often traders got robbed or killed en route.

Indeed, it was a rare sight, seeing the flags of the United States, Mexico and the Philippines on the mast of the Lider — three nations working with each other to help develop each other’s economies. Someday, I hope to see the day when the Philippine Navy would purchase a number of twin-hull vessels for the future of the Philippine Navy and Coast Guard, because we Filipinos can build our very own vessels on our own, right in our own backyard!


http://www.philstar.com/philstar/NEWS200603069906.htm



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25m Air Crew Patrol Vessel

Operator - British M.O.D

Owner:SMIT International

Hull Material:Aluminum

Speed 21 knots



www.fbma.com.ph


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Caliber: 5.56x45mm NATO (.223 Rem)
Operation: Gas operated semi-automatic
Scope: Tasco Armored 3-9x40mm
Bushnell 3-9x40mm w/Mil-Dots (3rd Gen).
Feed: 20/30 round detachable box magazine.
Weight: 10 lbs (4.55 kg)
Length: 42.25" (107.3 cm)
Barrel: 24" (68 cm) DPMS Heavy Stainless Steel Match
20" (50.8 cm) DPMS Heavy SS Match (NSWAG 3rd Gen)
Barrel Twist: RH 1 - 8.5", or 1-8" (3rd Gen)
Stock: Black synthetic M-16A1 design with Cheek Rest.
Black syntehtic M-16A2 (3rd Gen)
Trigger: J&P match trigger
Accuracy: At least 1 MOA with M855 ammo


The MSSR was developed out of a need for a designated sniper rifle for the Landing Battalions of the Filipino Marines. They were operating on a limited budget, and didn't have the expert gunsmiths to modify a M14 or any of the other standard rifles used for sniping. But they do have the experts who know how to work on M16's. They have been producing the M16A1 under license for several years, and all the troops are framiliar with the handling of the weapon. So they did the logical thing and built a sniper rifle on the M16A1 platform.

The armorers take an existing M16A1 lower receiver and replace the upper with a DPMS match upper and Barrel. This includes a floating aluminum handguard tube and a Harris bi-pod is attached to that. They use a Tasco Armored 3-9x40mm scope, not really my first choice, in fact, not a very good choice in my opinion. But they did have a very limited budget to work with, so this is probably the one area they thought they could get away with cutting. They use a J&P match trigger that has been fine tuned. The rifles are tested and only get issued if they will shoot 1 MOA or better with M855 ammo.

I am not a fan of the 5.56mm being used in sniper rifles, but this is a unique case were it isn't such a bad plan. The limited ranges found in the Filipino jungles helps reduce some of the short comings of the round. The rifles will generally shoot right around 1 MOA out to 600 meters. The ease of training due to framiliarity with the M16 helps to reduce training costs, both for the sniper and the armorers. All in all, its not a bad implentation, and shows some creativity in developing a sniper rifle with a set of rigid constraints.

Update The Filipino Marines have started deployment of the 3rd generation MSSR with the Naval Special Warfare Group (NSWAG) and some Marines starting the transition. Changes to the 3rd Gen includes the DPMS 24 inch heavy barrel (with the NSWAG opting for the 20 inch). The new barrels have a change of twist from the old 1-8.5" to a new 1-8". The rifles also have a DPMS gas port, A2 pistol grips, and use three scope rings rather than two. The new 3rd Gen MSSR has also replaced the rubber coated Tasco scope with a Bushnell 3-9x scope with mil dots. The standard ammo for the MSSR has been changed from M885 to the federal 69 grain match. The MSSR has also began evaluation of Remington 700P's to be used as an intermediate range sniper rifle to compliment the MSSR and their long range .50 that is used in small numbers. With the upgrades to the MSSR, it has become a very nice rifle for its intended mission. Thanks to Lt Col John Martir of the Philippine Marine Corps for the updated info and images!!
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the philippine navy night fighting weapon

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the philippine navy night fighting weapon

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martin_nuke
Philippine designed and made Sub Machinegun MK-9 with a firepower of 800-850 rounds per minute can cut you in half.

This is deadlier than the Israeli Uzi which only has 600 rounds per minute.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floro_MK-9
http://www.timawa.net/defense/smallarms/floromk9.htm

Other Philippine Made Weapons

http://www.floro-intl.com/

105mm Pack Howitzer
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Personal Defense Weapon
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High Velocity Grenade Launcher
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MK-9 Sub Machinegun
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MK-9 Variations
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rockerfeller
I like those weapons.
bari
HUWAW!!!! AMAZING TALAGA!!!! ganda ng mga gawa ng mga pinoy!!! sana pati eroplano at mga tangke din!
Happy Asian
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Nice guns, great miniatures.
vynncute
PALTIK

this is a Home Made Gun used to shoot wild chickens
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dabawenyo
the greatest defence our country has at the moment is diplomacy..who cares if theres any aggression from our neighbors knowing that USA just behind us..thats only for defence..

but i think we should still on for the system upgrade of our rotting armed forces..well keep praying for more revenues to come and higly spirited economy..sabah belongs to us.. madcool.gif

wala na pala taung jet fighter no??ang alam ko nasa inventory na lhat..
phichanad
armscor guns have a good reputation here in the philippines, and is a good alternative to US, Canadian, Israeli and european brands.

We also did have license to manufacture M-16A1s, and currently a US based filipino company (FERFRANS) produces assualt rifles and squad automatic weapons for the PNP and AFP.

http://www.ferfrans.net/default.htm

it is owned by 2 cebuano brothers....(fernando and fransisco)...

we have also produced patrol crafts for the philippine navy, license-build BO-105 helicopters, Islander aircrafts, etc...

for further details on Philipppine made weapons, see this very informative website:

http://timawa.net/forum/index.php?topic=3886.0

be facinated with the Santa Barbara project, the MIT Robots, and the coconut bombs
commanderchaos
Theres a Filipino company that makes armored personnel carrier...they were the ones who created the hari digma and the mx-8 "gagamba"..

Also during the Marcos time there was an attempt to create our very own trainer, there was only limited funds given so the project was very slow. During the Estrada administration, it was 80% done until Eurocopter got scared we might become very smart and create fighter jets in the future that they filed a lawsuit against the producers of the jet. Eventually, President Estrada cancelled the program. Rumors say that the jet model is still being kept today.

And also during the Magsaysay (?) time, a Captain from the air force (?) spearheaded a project for a Filipino-made utility chopper because he felt sorry for his comrades who were dying in the battlefileds due to the lack of helicopters at that time. The project was cancelled again though for some unknown reason, the captain went berserk at this and staged a hostage-taking. He was killed by the authorities. Sad huh? icon_sad.gif
TheUsualSuspect
cool! didn't know the PI manufactures small arms, are they for export too?
tamang hinala
as far as i know, they are only made for Filipinos..
Selkies
QUOTE(martin_nuke @ Nov 10 2006, 12:23 PM) [snapback]2468445[/snapback]
Philippine designed and made Sub Machinegun MK-9 with a firepower of 800-850 rounds per minute can cut you in half.

This is deadlier than the Israeli Uzi which only has 600 rounds per minute.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floro_MK-9
http://www.timawa.net/defense/smallarms/floromk9.htm

Other Philippine Made Weapons

http://www.floro-intl.com/

105mm Pack Howitzer


Personal Defense Weapon


High Velocity Grenade Launcher


MK-9 Sub Machinegun




MK-9 Variations






Our ingenuity is very inspiring despite the odds. beerchug.gif
R2D22
The Philippines should license-build an amphibious ship like this for their Navy:





http://www.armada.mde.es:80/ArmadaPortal/S...ltimedia_videos

The Australians are getting two ships like that to project their amphibious force.

Selkies
problem is we could not afford to maintain them, if it aint 100% broke dont replace it. xD
martin_nuke
The Philippines used to be the no. 1 shipbuilder in the world constructing more than 100 Manila Galleons when we were still a Spanish Colony.

The Philippines is now ranking no. 4 in Shipbuilding in the world today.

http://www.balitapinoy.net/default.asp?sou...noy&he=.net

Philippine Shipyards
http://www.fbma.com.ph/
http://www.hermashipyard.com/
http://www.keppelphilippinesmarineinc.com/
adroth
The Philippine Army is in the process of acquiring watercraft from Colorado Shipyard -- a Cebu-based shipbuilder. These boats, 20 in all, will be assigned to the Philippine Army equivalent of the In-Shore Boat Battalion of the Philippine Marines.

The following photograph was taken from the 2007 modernization report

bananaque
yes i also read about this manila galleons in philippine history and what the manila gallleon special from the other galleon is the type of wood use i think the wood use was very hard anyway i read recently hanjin now have a contract to build very large crude carrier (VLCC) from UAE in subic and i also read that hanjin recently build LPD for south korean navy i wonder why our government not source our future navy ships requirements from hanjin???
martin_nuke
During the DDay invasion in France the Landing Barges used to transport thousands of Soldiers to shore were made of Philippine wood but I do not know if they were manufactured in the Philippines. The Manila Galleons construction and wood was so sturdy and hard that cannon balls from Pirate Ships would just bounce off.
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