Full Version: what about ISLAM in Japan
hi guys.i am new in forum.this is my first topic.i am interesting japan.is there any turk or muslim in japan? and where?
^are you Muslim trying to find yerself a Japanese wife? Ya silly guy.
aww
They do not exist. Sorry.
History of Islam In Japan
Japan has seen a rapid growth of Islam in recent years and is home to an increasing population of affluent, young and enthusiastic adherents to Islam.
History
Islam's relation with Japan is quite recent as compared to those with other countries around the world.
There are no clear records of any contact between Islam and Japan nor any historical traces of Islam's coming into Japan through religious propagation of any sort except for some isolated cases of contact between individual Japanese and Muslims of other countries before 1868.
Islam was firstly known to Japanese people in 1877 as a part of Western religious thought. Around the same time the life of Prophet Muhammad was translated into Japanese. This helped Islam to find a place in the intellectual image of the Japanese people, but only as a knowledge and a part of the history of cultures.
Another important contact was made in 1890 when Ottoman Turkey dispatched a naval vessel to Japan for the purpose of starting diplomatic relations between the two countries as well introducing Muslims and Japanese people to each other. This naval vessel called "Ertugrul" capsized and sank with 609 people aboard drowning 540 of them, on its way returning to home.
The first Muslim Japanese ever known are Mitsutaro Takaoka who converted to Islam in 1909 and took the name Omar Yamaoka after making the pilgrimage to Mecca and Bumpachiro Ariga, who about the same time went to India for trading purposes and converted to Islam under the influence of local Muslims there and subsequently took the name Ahmad Ariga. However, recent studies have revealed that another Japanese known as Torajiro Yamada was probably the first Japanese Muslim who visited Turkey out of sympathy for those who died in the aftermath of the shipwreck of the Ertugrul. He converted to Islam there and took the name Abdul Khalil and probably made pilgrimage to Mecca.
The real Muslim community life however did not start until the arrival of several hundred Turkoman, Uzbek, Tadjik, Kirghiz, Kazakh and other Turko-Tatar Muslim refugees from central Asia and Russia in the wake of the Bolshevik Revolution during World War I. These Muslims who were given asylum in Japan settled in several main cities around Japan and formed small Muslim communities. A number of Japanese converted to Islam through the contact with these Muslims.
With the formation of these small Muslim communities several mosques have been built, the most important of them being the Kobe Mosque built in 1935 (which is the only remaining mosque in Japan nowadays) and the Tokyo Mosque built in 1938. One thing that should be emphasized is that very little weight of Japanese Muslims was felt in building these mosques and there have been no Japanese so far who played the role of Imam of any of the mosques.
During World War II, an "Islamic Boom" was set in Japan by the military government through organisations and research centers on Islam and the Muslim World. It is said that during this period over 100 books and journals on Islam were published in Japan. However, these organisations or research centers were in no way controlled or run by the Muslims nor was their purpose the propagation of Islam whatsoever. The mere purpose was to let the military be better equipped with the necessary knowledge about Islam and Muslims since there were large Muslim communities in the areas occupied in China and Southeast Asia by the Japanese army. As a result, with the end of the war in 1945, these organisations and research centers disappeared rapidly.
Another "Islamic Boom" was set in motion this time in the shade of "Arab Boom" after the "1973 oil crisis. The Japanese mass media have given big publicity to the Muslim World in general and the Arab World in particular after realizing the importance of these countries for the Japanese economy. With this publicity many Japanese who had no idea about Islam got the chance to see the scene of Hajj in Mecca and hear the call of Adhan (Islamic call to prayer) and Qur'anic recitations. Beside many sincere conversions to Islam at the time, there were also mass conversions of several tens of thousands of people. However, with the end of the effect of oil shock, most of those who converted to Islam left the faith.
The Turks have been the biggest Muslim community in Japan until recently. Pre-war Japan was well-known for its sympathy and favour towards Muslims in central Asia, seeing in them an anti-Soviet ally. In those days some Japanese who worked in intelligence circles had contact with these Muslims. A few opened their eyes to Islam through these contacts, and embraced it after the war ended. There were also those who went to Southeast Asian countries such as Malaysia as soldiers during the war. The pilots were instructed to say "La ilaha illa Allah", when they were shot down in these regions, so that their lives would be spared. Actually one of them was shot down and captured by the inhabitants. When he shouted the "magic" words to them, to his astonishment they changed their attitudes and treated him rather kindly. He has been keeping his words until this day.
The Japanese invasion of China and South East Asian countries during the second world war brought the Japanese in contact with Muslims. Those who embraced Islam through them established in 1953, the first Japanese Muslim organisation, the Japan Muslim Association under the leadership of the late Sadiq Imaizumi. Its members, numbering sixty five at the time of inauguration, increased two-fold before this devoted man passed away six years later.
The second president of the association was the late Umar Mita, a very dedicated man. Mita was typical of the old generation, who learned Islam in the territories occupied by the Japanese Empire. He was working for the Manshu Railway Company, which virtually controlled the Japanese territory in the north eastern province of China at that time. Through his contacts with Chinese Muslims, he became a Muslim in Peking. When he returned to Japan, after the war, he made the Hajj, the first Japanese in the post-war period to do so. He also made a Japanese translation of the meaning of the Qur'an from a Muslim perspective for the first time.
Thus, it was only after the second world war, that what can properly be called "a Japanese Muslim community" came into existence. In spite of the initial success, however, later developments were quite slow in terms of membership. Though many Islamic organisations were established since the 1900s, each of them has only a few active members.
Abdurresid Ibrahim (1853-1944)
Tokyo Mosque 12 May 1938, Sitting in right Abdurresid Ibrahim and Officer Ogasawara Chosei
Picture taken in World War 2 Mosque Kobe 1945, Safety Basement For Japanese Imprealist Army
Japanese Muslims
There is no reliable estimate on the Japanese Muslim population. Claims of thirty thousand are without doubt an exaggeration. Some claim that there are only a few hundred. This probably amounts to the number of Muslims openly practicing Islam. Asked to give an estimate on the actual number of Muslims in Japan, Abu Bakr Morimoto replied, "To say frankly, only one thousand. In the broadest sense, I mean, if we do not exclude those who became Muslims for the sake of, say marriage, and do not practice then the number would be a few thousands." Apparently such a slow development is due partly to external circumstances. Japanese traditional religious atmosphere and highly developed materialistic tendencies must both be taken into consideration. But there are also shortcomings on the part of the Muslims. There exists a difference in orientation between the old and new generations. For the old generation, Islam is equated with a religion of Malaysia, Indonesia, or China etc. But for the new generation, these East Asian countries are not very appealing, because of their western orientation, and so they are more influenced by Islam in the Arab countries.
"The old generation have lived closely connected with non-Japanese Muslims," points out Nur Ad-Din . "It is an excellent act in the spirit of brotherhood. But on the other hand, we cannot deny its side effect, that is, this way of life could not prevent other Japanese from thinking of Islam as something foreign. How to overcome this barrier is a problem to be solved. It is a task for us, the younger generation."
When visiting Muslim countries, the remark that Japanese Muslims are the minority religious group always brings a question from the audience, "What percentage of Japan's total population are Muslims?" The answer at the moment is: One out of a hundred thousand. Nevertheless, the younger generation has aspirations. Perhaps some day it will be said that Islam is a popular religion in Japan.
Da'wa in Japan
The history of Islam in Japan reveals therefore some random waves of conversions. In fact, religious campaigns are no more successful for other divine revelations or new religions. The statistics indicate that some 80% of the total population believe in either Buddhism or Shintoism while as few as 0.7% are Christians. The latest results of a poll conducted by a Japanese monthly opinion magazine imply however an important caveat. Only one out of four Japanese effectively believes in any particular religion. The lack of faith is even more pronounced for Japanese youth in their 20s with a rate of atheism as high as 85%.
The potential direct agents of da'wah represented by the Muslim community in Japan with its estimated one hundred thousand believers is itself extremely small compared with the total population of more than one hundred and twenty million citizens. Students together with various kinds of workers in precarious conditions constitute a large segment of the community. They are concentrated in big urban cities such as Hiroshima, Kyoto, Nagoya, Osaka and Tokyo but are seldom organised into established units in order to conduct effective programs of da'wah. In fact, the Muslim students association as well as some local societies organise periodical camps and gatherings in an effort to improve the understanding of Islamic teachings and for the sake of strengthening brotherhood relations among Muslims.
There is a continuous need for Muslims to withstand pressures to conform to the prevailing modern lifestyle which appeals to the passionate element of the soul. Further difficulties are faced by Muslims with respect to communication, housing, child education or the availability of halal food and Islamic literature, and these constitute additional factors hindering the course of da'wah in Japan.
The duty of da'wah is frequently perceived as the single obligation on Muslims to preach Islam to non-Muslims. However, important calls for reform (islaah) and renewal (tajdeed) constitute also distinct forms of da'wah to Muslims. A betterment of the level of Islamic knowledge and living conditions of the Muslim community is therefore by itself the very da'wah needed in Japan. One should bear in mind however, that unless the attitudes of indifference and passivity of Muslim residents in Japan with respect to Islamic issues of congregational aspect are changed, the risk of the community being uprooted and diluted through severe distorsions of the Islamic belief will indeed grow higher. This likelihood is in fact pertaining to the permanent exposure of Muslims to the influence of many Japanese customs and traditional practices such as deep bowing as a form of greeting and collective participation in religious festivities and temple visits.
The problem is perhaps being felt in more acute terms for Muslim children who, in the absence of any Muslim kindergartens or schools constitute indeed easy targets for the transmission and cultivation of unIslamic cultural and social habits. The remarkable lack of educational institutions of Islamic character is also reflected by the existence in all over Japan of a single mosque which resisted with fadhl from Allah (S.W.T) to the Great Hanshin earthquake that nearly destroyed the city of Kobe on January 17, 1995. There are permanent efforts to build or transform housing units into masajids in many other cities.
The misconception of Islamic teachings introduced by the western media stands to be corrected in a more efficient approach that takes into consideration the significant feature of the Japanese society of being one of the world's most literate countries. Yet, because of poor distribution, even translations of the meanings of Qur'an into Japanese language are not publicly available. Islamic literature is virtually absent from bookstores or public libraries to the exception of few english-written essays and books that are sold at relatively high prices.
As a result, it should not be surprising to find out that the knowledge of ordinary Japanese about Islam is modestly confined to few terms related to polygamy, Sunni and Shia, Ramadhan,Hajj, Allah, the God of Muslims, and Islam, the religion of Muhammad (peace be upon him). With increasingly significant evidence of a responsible recognition of its duties and rational assessment of its limits and capabilities, the Muslim Ummah (community) is showing stronger commitment to accomplish its task of da'wah in a better organized fashion.
The future of Islam in Japan
Islam is rapidly growing in Japan and many young, affluent and cultured Japanese, have converted to Islam, and the future for Islam in Japan looks promising.
However, the image of Islam was seriously damaged with the assassination of Hitoshi Igarashi in Japan for his translation of the Satanic Verses, the September 11, 2001 attacks, and suicide bombings in Palestine, Israel, Bali, Iraq and Jordan all carried out in the name of Islam. Islam is further damaged by the perception of political instability in the Arab world.
Japanese Muslim Community and Malay Malaysia-Indonesia-Singapore
Japanese Muslim Kindergarten School In Mosque Kobe
Islamic Center - Japan
Japanese Muslim Graveyard
Japanese Muslim
New Generation Japanese Muslim
Halal Food Shop
Demostration Anti War Iraq
Japan has seen a rapid growth of Islam in recent years and is home to an increasing population of affluent, young and enthusiastic adherents to Islam.
History
Islam's relation with Japan is quite recent as compared to those with other countries around the world.
There are no clear records of any contact between Islam and Japan nor any historical traces of Islam's coming into Japan through religious propagation of any sort except for some isolated cases of contact between individual Japanese and Muslims of other countries before 1868.
Islam was firstly known to Japanese people in 1877 as a part of Western religious thought. Around the same time the life of Prophet Muhammad was translated into Japanese. This helped Islam to find a place in the intellectual image of the Japanese people, but only as a knowledge and a part of the history of cultures.
Another important contact was made in 1890 when Ottoman Turkey dispatched a naval vessel to Japan for the purpose of starting diplomatic relations between the two countries as well introducing Muslims and Japanese people to each other. This naval vessel called "Ertugrul" capsized and sank with 609 people aboard drowning 540 of them, on its way returning to home.
The first Muslim Japanese ever known are Mitsutaro Takaoka who converted to Islam in 1909 and took the name Omar Yamaoka after making the pilgrimage to Mecca and Bumpachiro Ariga, who about the same time went to India for trading purposes and converted to Islam under the influence of local Muslims there and subsequently took the name Ahmad Ariga. However, recent studies have revealed that another Japanese known as Torajiro Yamada was probably the first Japanese Muslim who visited Turkey out of sympathy for those who died in the aftermath of the shipwreck of the Ertugrul. He converted to Islam there and took the name Abdul Khalil and probably made pilgrimage to Mecca.
The real Muslim community life however did not start until the arrival of several hundred Turkoman, Uzbek, Tadjik, Kirghiz, Kazakh and other Turko-Tatar Muslim refugees from central Asia and Russia in the wake of the Bolshevik Revolution during World War I. These Muslims who were given asylum in Japan settled in several main cities around Japan and formed small Muslim communities. A number of Japanese converted to Islam through the contact with these Muslims.
With the formation of these small Muslim communities several mosques have been built, the most important of them being the Kobe Mosque built in 1935 (which is the only remaining mosque in Japan nowadays) and the Tokyo Mosque built in 1938. One thing that should be emphasized is that very little weight of Japanese Muslims was felt in building these mosques and there have been no Japanese so far who played the role of Imam of any of the mosques.
During World War II, an "Islamic Boom" was set in Japan by the military government through organisations and research centers on Islam and the Muslim World. It is said that during this period over 100 books and journals on Islam were published in Japan. However, these organisations or research centers were in no way controlled or run by the Muslims nor was their purpose the propagation of Islam whatsoever. The mere purpose was to let the military be better equipped with the necessary knowledge about Islam and Muslims since there were large Muslim communities in the areas occupied in China and Southeast Asia by the Japanese army. As a result, with the end of the war in 1945, these organisations and research centers disappeared rapidly.
Another "Islamic Boom" was set in motion this time in the shade of "Arab Boom" after the "1973 oil crisis. The Japanese mass media have given big publicity to the Muslim World in general and the Arab World in particular after realizing the importance of these countries for the Japanese economy. With this publicity many Japanese who had no idea about Islam got the chance to see the scene of Hajj in Mecca and hear the call of Adhan (Islamic call to prayer) and Qur'anic recitations. Beside many sincere conversions to Islam at the time, there were also mass conversions of several tens of thousands of people. However, with the end of the effect of oil shock, most of those who converted to Islam left the faith.
The Turks have been the biggest Muslim community in Japan until recently. Pre-war Japan was well-known for its sympathy and favour towards Muslims in central Asia, seeing in them an anti-Soviet ally. In those days some Japanese who worked in intelligence circles had contact with these Muslims. A few opened their eyes to Islam through these contacts, and embraced it after the war ended. There were also those who went to Southeast Asian countries such as Malaysia as soldiers during the war. The pilots were instructed to say "La ilaha illa Allah", when they were shot down in these regions, so that their lives would be spared. Actually one of them was shot down and captured by the inhabitants. When he shouted the "magic" words to them, to his astonishment they changed their attitudes and treated him rather kindly. He has been keeping his words until this day.
The Japanese invasion of China and South East Asian countries during the second world war brought the Japanese in contact with Muslims. Those who embraced Islam through them established in 1953, the first Japanese Muslim organisation, the Japan Muslim Association under the leadership of the late Sadiq Imaizumi. Its members, numbering sixty five at the time of inauguration, increased two-fold before this devoted man passed away six years later.
The second president of the association was the late Umar Mita, a very dedicated man. Mita was typical of the old generation, who learned Islam in the territories occupied by the Japanese Empire. He was working for the Manshu Railway Company, which virtually controlled the Japanese territory in the north eastern province of China at that time. Through his contacts with Chinese Muslims, he became a Muslim in Peking. When he returned to Japan, after the war, he made the Hajj, the first Japanese in the post-war period to do so. He also made a Japanese translation of the meaning of the Qur'an from a Muslim perspective for the first time.
Thus, it was only after the second world war, that what can properly be called "a Japanese Muslim community" came into existence. In spite of the initial success, however, later developments were quite slow in terms of membership. Though many Islamic organisations were established since the 1900s, each of them has only a few active members.
Abdurresid Ibrahim (1853-1944)
Tokyo Mosque 12 May 1938, Sitting in right Abdurresid Ibrahim and Officer Ogasawara Chosei
Picture taken in World War 2 Mosque Kobe 1945, Safety Basement For Japanese Imprealist Army
Japanese Muslims
There is no reliable estimate on the Japanese Muslim population. Claims of thirty thousand are without doubt an exaggeration. Some claim that there are only a few hundred. This probably amounts to the number of Muslims openly practicing Islam. Asked to give an estimate on the actual number of Muslims in Japan, Abu Bakr Morimoto replied, "To say frankly, only one thousand. In the broadest sense, I mean, if we do not exclude those who became Muslims for the sake of, say marriage, and do not practice then the number would be a few thousands." Apparently such a slow development is due partly to external circumstances. Japanese traditional religious atmosphere and highly developed materialistic tendencies must both be taken into consideration. But there are also shortcomings on the part of the Muslims. There exists a difference in orientation between the old and new generations. For the old generation, Islam is equated with a religion of Malaysia, Indonesia, or China etc. But for the new generation, these East Asian countries are not very appealing, because of their western orientation, and so they are more influenced by Islam in the Arab countries.
"The old generation have lived closely connected with non-Japanese Muslims," points out Nur Ad-Din . "It is an excellent act in the spirit of brotherhood. But on the other hand, we cannot deny its side effect, that is, this way of life could not prevent other Japanese from thinking of Islam as something foreign. How to overcome this barrier is a problem to be solved. It is a task for us, the younger generation."
When visiting Muslim countries, the remark that Japanese Muslims are the minority religious group always brings a question from the audience, "What percentage of Japan's total population are Muslims?" The answer at the moment is: One out of a hundred thousand. Nevertheless, the younger generation has aspirations. Perhaps some day it will be said that Islam is a popular religion in Japan.
Da'wa in Japan
The history of Islam in Japan reveals therefore some random waves of conversions. In fact, religious campaigns are no more successful for other divine revelations or new religions. The statistics indicate that some 80% of the total population believe in either Buddhism or Shintoism while as few as 0.7% are Christians. The latest results of a poll conducted by a Japanese monthly opinion magazine imply however an important caveat. Only one out of four Japanese effectively believes in any particular religion. The lack of faith is even more pronounced for Japanese youth in their 20s with a rate of atheism as high as 85%.
The potential direct agents of da'wah represented by the Muslim community in Japan with its estimated one hundred thousand believers is itself extremely small compared with the total population of more than one hundred and twenty million citizens. Students together with various kinds of workers in precarious conditions constitute a large segment of the community. They are concentrated in big urban cities such as Hiroshima, Kyoto, Nagoya, Osaka and Tokyo but are seldom organised into established units in order to conduct effective programs of da'wah. In fact, the Muslim students association as well as some local societies organise periodical camps and gatherings in an effort to improve the understanding of Islamic teachings and for the sake of strengthening brotherhood relations among Muslims.
There is a continuous need for Muslims to withstand pressures to conform to the prevailing modern lifestyle which appeals to the passionate element of the soul. Further difficulties are faced by Muslims with respect to communication, housing, child education or the availability of halal food and Islamic literature, and these constitute additional factors hindering the course of da'wah in Japan.
The duty of da'wah is frequently perceived as the single obligation on Muslims to preach Islam to non-Muslims. However, important calls for reform (islaah) and renewal (tajdeed) constitute also distinct forms of da'wah to Muslims. A betterment of the level of Islamic knowledge and living conditions of the Muslim community is therefore by itself the very da'wah needed in Japan. One should bear in mind however, that unless the attitudes of indifference and passivity of Muslim residents in Japan with respect to Islamic issues of congregational aspect are changed, the risk of the community being uprooted and diluted through severe distorsions of the Islamic belief will indeed grow higher. This likelihood is in fact pertaining to the permanent exposure of Muslims to the influence of many Japanese customs and traditional practices such as deep bowing as a form of greeting and collective participation in religious festivities and temple visits.
The problem is perhaps being felt in more acute terms for Muslim children who, in the absence of any Muslim kindergartens or schools constitute indeed easy targets for the transmission and cultivation of unIslamic cultural and social habits. The remarkable lack of educational institutions of Islamic character is also reflected by the existence in all over Japan of a single mosque which resisted with fadhl from Allah (S.W.T) to the Great Hanshin earthquake that nearly destroyed the city of Kobe on January 17, 1995. There are permanent efforts to build or transform housing units into masajids in many other cities.
The misconception of Islamic teachings introduced by the western media stands to be corrected in a more efficient approach that takes into consideration the significant feature of the Japanese society of being one of the world's most literate countries. Yet, because of poor distribution, even translations of the meanings of Qur'an into Japanese language are not publicly available. Islamic literature is virtually absent from bookstores or public libraries to the exception of few english-written essays and books that are sold at relatively high prices.
As a result, it should not be surprising to find out that the knowledge of ordinary Japanese about Islam is modestly confined to few terms related to polygamy, Sunni and Shia, Ramadhan,Hajj, Allah, the God of Muslims, and Islam, the religion of Muhammad (peace be upon him). With increasingly significant evidence of a responsible recognition of its duties and rational assessment of its limits and capabilities, the Muslim Ummah (community) is showing stronger commitment to accomplish its task of da'wah in a better organized fashion.
The future of Islam in Japan
Islam is rapidly growing in Japan and many young, affluent and cultured Japanese, have converted to Islam, and the future for Islam in Japan looks promising.
However, the image of Islam was seriously damaged with the assassination of Hitoshi Igarashi in Japan for his translation of the Satanic Verses, the September 11, 2001 attacks, and suicide bombings in Palestine, Israel, Bali, Iraq and Jordan all carried out in the name of Islam. Islam is further damaged by the perception of political instability in the Arab world.
Japanese Muslim Community and Malay Malaysia-Indonesia-Singapore
Japanese Muslim Kindergarten School In Mosque Kobe
Islamic Center - Japan
Japanese Muslim Graveyard
Japanese Muslim
New Generation Japanese Muslim
Halal Food Shop
Demostration Anti War Iraq
QUOTE(splur @ Nov 10 2006, 03:07 PM) [snapback]2470748[/snapback]
They do not exist. Sorry.
actually they do, just not enough for ppl to notice . i think i read somewhere where it's only about .002% of the pop. of japan that are islamic
QUOTE(Goombaking209 @ Nov 14 2006, 05:40 PM) [snapback]2481533[/snapback]
actually they do, just not enough for ppl to notice . i think i read somewhere where it's only about .002% of the pop. of japan that are islamic
Yep, the muslim population there is not that big, only ca. 50,000 Muslims and about 90 percent of them are not Japanese. But the number is increasing as the poster above you already mentioned it.
QUOTE(Goombaking209 @ Nov 14 2006, 10:40 AM) [snapback]2481533[/snapback]
actually they do, just not enough for ppl to notice . i think i read somewhere where it's only about .002% of the pop. of japan that are islamic
hahaha, I was joking :P.
It's a good news for me to know that they are a muslim community in japan. 
Islam is a good teaching of life in this chaotic world.
Then you can find hallal meat in japan?
Islam is a good teaching of life in this chaotic world.
Then you can find hallal meat in japan?
QUOTE(blade82 @ Dec 20 2006, 02:09 PM) [snapback]2587031[/snapback]
Islam is a good teaching of life in this chaotic world.
yeah it made airline more secure and travel fun for everyone
QUOTE(blade82 @ Dec 20 2006, 04:09 PM) [snapback]2587031[/snapback]
Islam is a good teaching of life in this chaotic world.
Man, sorry but sigh.............I just can't agree to that.
QUOTE(flipcombatmedic @ Nov 10 2006, 05:35 PM) [snapback]2469949[/snapback]
^are you Muslim trying to find yerself a Japanese wife? Ya silly guy.
If only there were more Muslim Japanophiles.
LOL @ Japanese Muslims
Why are you lolling? Are they really weird? I might as well lol to Chinese Christians or white Buddhist...
QUOTE(Astromantic @ Dec 23 2006, 08:18 AM) [snapback]2594288[/snapback]
Why are you lolling? Are they really weird? I might as well lol to Chinese Christians or white Buddhist...
There are Chinese and white Muslims aswell.
as well as French Muslims, Canadian Muslims, etc, etc
German and Dutch Muslims too.
khmer and vietnamese muslims as well
And penguin Muslims as well.
QUOTE(rahul1000 @ Dec 28 2006, 10:31 PM) [snapback]2607937[/snapback]
And penguin Muslims as well.
you forgot pirate muslims and muslim talking birds. arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
QUOTE(rahul1000 @ Dec 28 2006, 09:31 PM) [snapback]2607937[/snapback]
And penguin Muslims as well.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Well, I'm gonna offend some people with this, but Islam and Japan just doesn't mix you know? Such a strange strange weird combination. Japanese Muslims...huh.
I see no reason why a nation should be exclusive to any religion...unless it forces you to listen to country music then it should just be plain banned.
QUOTE(rahul1000 @ Dec 29 2006, 12:03 AM) [snapback]2608250[/snapback]
Well, I'm gonna offend some people with this, but Islam and Japan just doesn't mix you know? Such a strange strange weird combination. Japanese Muslims...huh.
Not to offend you but you're a fu-king dumbest imbecile i've ever sawn on the forums i've registered.
That's something unique you got, you must been awarded for being "something" -no joking im sirious.
Islam and Japan doesn't really mix, I'm sure others will agree with me as well.
Warnings for both of you. Nm you edited it: P
Sorry about that Jasel. 
Aren't Muslim extremists now slowly putting their eyes on Japan? Sigh, Islam scares me and so does the increasing number of extremist/militant Muslims.
I like cats. Meow!
So do I, but I don't know if I'd ever want to keep one as a pet, not just cats but anything for a pet, too much for me, I'm too lazy to take care of one right now.
Aren't Muslim extremists now slowly putting their eyes on Japan? Sigh, Islam scares me and so does the increasing number of extremist/militant Muslims.
QUOTE(Kultigin @ Dec 29 2006, 01:32 PM) [snapback]2609324[/snapback]
I like cats. Meow!
So do I, but I don't know if I'd ever want to keep one as a pet, not just cats but anything for a pet, too much for me, I'm too lazy to take care of one right now.
why won't japan and islam mix?
islamicizing japan has been the dream of many a islamic rulers throughout history.
Europe's conquests of Africa and Central Asia toward the close of the last century, and the subsequent Anglo-French agreement mutually appropriating Egypt and Morocco, evoked murmurs of impotent fury from the Moslem world. Under such circumstances the Russo-Japanese War of 1904 sent a feverish tremor throughout Islam. The Japanese might be idolaters, but the traditional Moslem loathing of idolaters as beings much lower than Christians and Jews (recognized by Mohammed as "Peoples of The Book") was quite effaced by the burning sense of subjugation to the Christian yoke. Accordingly, the Japanese were hailed as heroes throughout Islam.
The way in which Islamic peoples began looking to Japan is revealed by this editorial in a Persian newspaper, written in the year 1906: "Desirous of becoming as powerful as Japan and of safeguarding its national independence, Persia should make common cause with it. An alliance becomes necessary. There should be a Japanese ambassador at Teheran. Japanese instructors should be chosen to reorganize the army. Commercial relations should also be developed." (F. Farjanel, "Le Japon et l'Islam," Revue du Monde Musulman, November, 1906.) Indeed, some pious Moslems hoped to bring this heroic people within the Islamic fold. Shortly after the Russo-Japanese War a Chinese Mohammedan sheikh wrote: "If Japan thinks of becoming some day a very great power and making Asia the dominator of the other continents, it will be only by adopting the blessed religion of Islam." (Farjanel, supra.) And Al Mowwayad, an Egyptian Nationalist journal, remarked: "England, with her 60,00O,000 Indian Moslems, dreads this conversion. With a Mohammedan Japan, Mussulman policy would change entirely." (Ibid.) As a matter of fact, Mohammedan missionaries actually went to Japan, where they were smilingly received.
and during WWII and later in the peak oil crisis of the 70's, tens of thousands japanese converted en masse into islam.
islamicizing japan has been the dream of many a islamic rulers throughout history.
QUOTE
Europe's conquests of Africa and Central Asia toward the close of the last century, and the subsequent Anglo-French agreement mutually appropriating Egypt and Morocco, evoked murmurs of impotent fury from the Moslem world. Under such circumstances the Russo-Japanese War of 1904 sent a feverish tremor throughout Islam. The Japanese might be idolaters, but the traditional Moslem loathing of idolaters as beings much lower than Christians and Jews (recognized by Mohammed as "Peoples of The Book") was quite effaced by the burning sense of subjugation to the Christian yoke. Accordingly, the Japanese were hailed as heroes throughout Islam.
QUOTE
The way in which Islamic peoples began looking to Japan is revealed by this editorial in a Persian newspaper, written in the year 1906: "Desirous of becoming as powerful as Japan and of safeguarding its national independence, Persia should make common cause with it. An alliance becomes necessary. There should be a Japanese ambassador at Teheran. Japanese instructors should be chosen to reorganize the army. Commercial relations should also be developed." (F. Farjanel, "Le Japon et l'Islam," Revue du Monde Musulman, November, 1906.) Indeed, some pious Moslems hoped to bring this heroic people within the Islamic fold. Shortly after the Russo-Japanese War a Chinese Mohammedan sheikh wrote: "If Japan thinks of becoming some day a very great power and making Asia the dominator of the other continents, it will be only by adopting the blessed religion of Islam." (Farjanel, supra.) And Al Mowwayad, an Egyptian Nationalist journal, remarked: "England, with her 60,00O,000 Indian Moslems, dreads this conversion. With a Mohammedan Japan, Mussulman policy would change entirely." (Ibid.) As a matter of fact, Mohammedan missionaries actually went to Japan, where they were smilingly received.
and during WWII and later in the peak oil crisis of the 70's, tens of thousands japanese converted en masse into islam.
QUOTE(northwestern_student @ Dec 29 2006, 04:39 PM) [snapback]2609818[/snapback]
why won't japan and islam mix?
islamicizing japan has been the dream of many a islamic rulers throughout history.
Islamcizing the entire world is the dream of Muslims worldwide.
QUOTE(rahul1000 @ Dec 29 2006, 10:25 PM) [snapback]2609903[/snapback]
Islamcizing the entire world is the dream of Muslims worldwide.
I agree, but sorry arabs were fine and they invented so many great things.. but when they did that. they weren't muslim...
sorry but after what Happened in RUssia,Uk,Spain and USa I don't want to live near muslims.. i am seriously scared for mi family.
QUOTE(Italiano_Parkour @ Dec 29 2006, 05:06 PM) [snapback]2609955[/snapback]
I agree, but sorry arabs were fine and they invented so many great things.. but when they did that. they weren't muslim...
sorry but after what Happened in RUssia,Uk,Spain and USa I don't want to live near muslims.. i am seriously scared for mi family.
booooo! I do live in Miami too, may I come visit you?
btw rahul thanks for your email with full of kindness of your entire nation, dont be sad we where all once homo sapiens, but your still one -no worry about it, there will come a time that gonna change you, the time when you'll gonna have to stand up and walk, the time that you dont have to hang out in three's anymore but in caves but the most important thingy is, you'll be human once.
QUOTE(rahul1000 @ Dec 28 2006, 11:03 PM) [snapback]2608250[/snapback]
Well, I'm gonna offend some people with this, but Islam and Japan just doesn't mix you know? Such a strange strange weird combination. Japanese Muslims...huh.
you dont have to say. presence of infidel pisses them off
QUOTE(Kultigin @ Dec 29 2006, 07:44 PM) [snapback]2610130[/snapback]
As I said before, I love cats and actually I have one too many, would you like one Rahul? I have a very cute kitten.
Thanks a lot for the offer Kultigin, but right now, I just don't have what it takes to take care of a pet, I'm too busy with some other responsibilities right now. However, I am very touched that you offered me a kitten, thanks a lot. Means a lot to me that it does.
QUOTE(Jarhier @ Dec 29 2006, 07:55 PM) [snapback]2610148[/snapback]
you dont have to say. presence of infidel pisses them off
Muslims just get angry way too easily and have no restraint. Can you beleive how much they rioted just because of some cartoons mocking Mohammed? I mean jeez relax people, many Muslims are just way too uptight about their religion, I mean seriously.
The threat of Muslim extremists really does worry me and it really is a harsh and strict and intolerant religion but yet there's so many that claim its a peaceful religion, I just find it SO hard to beleive.
QUOTE(Italiano_Parkour @ Dec 29 2006, 10:06 PM) [snapback]2609955[/snapback]
I agree, but sorry arabs were fine and they invented so many great things.. but when they did that. they weren't muslim...
sorry but after what Happened in RUssia,Uk,Spain and USa I don't want to live near muslims.. i am seriously scared for mi family.
What do you mean? Of course the Arabs were Muslims when "they invented so many great things."
wooo i'm a muslim, do i freighten you, but seriously now, the reason why muslim people were offended by that cartoon of mohamed was because he is a very sacred person to muslim all over the world and to have him dipicted in such a way is considerd isulting, muslim people are kind people it's all the propaganda the U.S puts out that has cast a shadow on this beautiful religion.
QUOTE(Jagger @ Dec 30 2006, 05:52 AM) [snapback]2610902[/snapback]
What do you mean? Of course the Arabs were Muslims when "they invented so many great things."
no they were not. research it!
QUOTE(jali @ Jan 22 2007, 08:45 PM) [snapback]2671854[/snapback]
wooo i'm a muslim, do i freighten you, but seriously now, the reason why muslim people were offended by that cartoon of mohamed was because he is a very sacred person to muslim all over the world and to have him dipicted in such a way is considerd isulting, muslim people are kind people it's all the propaganda the U.S puts out that has cast a shadow on this beautiful religion.
What can I say, Danish guy who drew the cartoon did it because one of the Danish journalist's was beheaded by on national tv. so he did it as a pay back. so I think muslims over reacted.
I'm all for droves of Muslims entering Japan and making a huge presence there. Maybe the Japanese will stop acting like ultra-nationalist punks once they lose their homogeny. If enough multi-culturalism is forced down their throats, they'll eventually give in to it and become more tolerant.
It worked for the Europeans.
It worked for the Europeans.
QUOTE(cephicide @ Jan 23 2007, 09:09 AM) [snapback]2673523[/snapback]
I'm all for droves of Muslims entering Japan and making a huge presence there. Maybe the Japanese will stop acting like ultra-nationalist punks once they lose their homogeny. If enough multi-culturalism is forced down their throats, they'll eventually give in to it and become more tolerant.
It worked for the Europeans.
Wow such a beautifull world
i wish Japanese or European could make a huge presence in Arabian Muslim country, to force down their throats some multi-culturalism and eventually make them become more tolerant.
If you take any religion, Christians, Muslims, Jews.... all religion are peacefull and very tolerant, many Muslim people in Arabian country are very friendly and open minded, and Muslim religion allow to be not too strict about it, if you take it in a non-extremist way.
but lots of people are very extremist, and they want to Force upon other their own ideology, the Coran wich the sacred book for Muslim was many time abused by iman saying their own interpretation of it.
Islam today is as Extremist and Dangerous as Christianity was in middle Age where Priest would torture and burn alive anyone who disagree with them. Islam today don't torture them they just cut there throat or bomb them, pretty nice Men, killing innocent civilian in a plane or train to justify your Superior peacefull religion.
oups !! look like European country are not so tolerant ( i am French) if the meaning of tolerant mean abide with all what Muslim say... but if the meaning of tolerant is to accept that people can have their own religion and point of view, as long as they give this freedom to other too, then Europe is tolerant.
so peace everyone let's the Muslim become peacefull and tolerant Muslim, and let's the Japanese be able to become or not Muslim on their own free will.
QUOTE(jali @ Jan 22 2007, 02:45 PM) [snapback]2671854[/snapback]
wooo i'm a muslim, do i freighten you, but seriously now, the reason why muslim people were offended by that cartoon of mohamed was because he is a very sacred person to muslim all over the world and to have him dipicted in such a way is considerd isulting, muslim people are kind people it's all the propaganda the U.S puts out that has cast a shadow on this beautiful religion.
i'm totaly agree with you
, the media say anything that will hurt or hated others diferent nation or people, for what? for money that's all, their happiness is money, their paradise is money and where can they bring their sacred money when they'll die? Nowhere.In islam or Christianism the true happiness and the best destination is the real paradise that you can't buy it with money.
Terrorist not equal to Islam.
Killing innocent life in Islam is forbidden. God is benevolent and merciful. The terrorist is hijacking Islam to just their horrible cause.
Aum Shin Ri Kyo released Sarin gass in Tokyo Subway is not Islam, they were somehow a stray apocalyptic Buddhist sect. But they are terrorist. Soo don't be afraid too Islam.
I'm Muslim but I'm not crazy about spreading or proselytizing Islam worldwide. I believe in pluralism, the more diverse, the better. The more understanding, the much better. Japan is already good with their Shinto beliefs or their Zen Buddhist, and I respect that. But if there's some Japanese choose to be a christian, a muslim, or even atheist, well that is their right......
Killing innocent life in Islam is forbidden. God is benevolent and merciful. The terrorist is hijacking Islam to just their horrible cause.
Aum Shin Ri Kyo released Sarin gass in Tokyo Subway is not Islam, they were somehow a stray apocalyptic Buddhist sect. But they are terrorist. Soo don't be afraid too Islam.
I'm Muslim but I'm not crazy about spreading or proselytizing Islam worldwide. I believe in pluralism, the more diverse, the better. The more understanding, the much better. Japan is already good with their Shinto beliefs or their Zen Buddhist, and I respect that. But if there's some Japanese choose to be a christian, a muslim, or even atheist, well that is their right......
I was going to write some stuff that whould change everybodues preception of this subject but fu-k it you guys are way into deep.
just 2 things
1. Kamekaze-Suicide bombers is a verry scarry thought(be realistic this $hit will never happen. This only happens to people in poor countries were younmen get offered money for there family if they do it)
2. Why not a Muslim Japan(who the hell is saying that whole Japan should become muslim). It works for the hui in china note these are not uigur turks but ethnic chinese)
so Why the fu-k not.
I wish I could i put up my middle finger to all those extremist and say thanks buddy for fu-king it up for the rest of us.
But you should all know this. They accualy have nothing to do with religion only with political and personal gain.
what is the easiest way to make people believe you and do things for you. hmmm just tap in the thing what they care the most for. Wich countries do those terrorist come from.
Hmmm rich muslim countries like Saudi arabia, The Emirates etc.... or fu-ked op places like Afganistan.
If i promise you a free ticket to heaven and money for your family(who are literary starving) and I'm a realy good manipulator.........Lets see how fast you strap on.....
But on the otherhand I can't relate to those people. We just don't give a fu-k enough were pragmatic
Islam doesn't equal Terrorism.
Extremism equals Terrorism
just 2 things
1. Kamekaze-Suicide bombers is a verry scarry thought(be realistic this $hit will never happen. This only happens to people in poor countries were younmen get offered money for there family if they do it)
2. Why not a Muslim Japan(who the hell is saying that whole Japan should become muslim). It works for the hui in china note these are not uigur turks but ethnic chinese)
so Why the fu-k not.
I wish I could i put up my middle finger to all those extremist and say thanks buddy for fu-king it up for the rest of us.
But you should all know this. They accualy have nothing to do with religion only with political and personal gain.
what is the easiest way to make people believe you and do things for you. hmmm just tap in the thing what they care the most for. Wich countries do those terrorist come from.
Hmmm rich muslim countries like Saudi arabia, The Emirates etc.... or fu-ked op places like Afganistan.
If i promise you a free ticket to heaven and money for your family(who are literary starving) and I'm a realy good manipulator.........Lets see how fast you strap on.....
But on the otherhand I can't relate to those people. We just don't give a fu-k enough were pragmatic
Islam doesn't equal Terrorism.
Extremism equals Terrorism
lol who said Islam worked in Europe, it did not!!!
Look what have happened in France! No thanx, I don't want a korea or Japan to be muslim, I want some Free Muslim countries, too much into religion they are, and I would be worried if my children will live somewhere close to them.. sorry.
Look what have happened in France! No thanx, I don't want a korea or Japan to be muslim, I want some Free Muslim countries, too much into religion they are, and I would be worried if my children will live somewhere close to them.. sorry.
People who live in france talking about the North africans man I won't even touch that subject I gave up understanding them a long time ago.
those people think there arab but not quite
those people think there arab but not quite
is elders of zion popular with them as well?
Hmm I guess but there just anti-jewish they don't know any thing about elders of zion(there like arabs without the culture)
most of them are just a bunch of lowlife thugs
man france is some fu-ked up plce I can asure you that
most of them are just a bunch of lowlife thugs
man france is some fu-ked up plce I can asure you that
QUOTE(tujue @ Jan 26 2007, 02:57 PM) [snapback]2682102[/snapback]
Hmm I guess but there just anti-jewish they don't know any thing about elders of zion(there like arabs without the culture)
most of them are just a bunch of lowlife thugs
man france is some fu-ked up plce I can asure you that
sorry I didn't mean it like "hurr muslims are evil" or the famous "hurr arabs=all muslims." I'm just curious if it is more of spirtual community or a political community
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hi guys.i am new in forum.this is my first topic.i am interesting japan.is there any turk or muslim in japan? and where?
no there aren\'t!
QUOTE(gomeny @ Jan 26 2007, 11:02 PM) [snapback]2682111[/snapback]
sorry I didn't mean it like "hurr muslims are evil" or the famous "hurr arabs=all muslims." I'm just curious if it is more of spirtual community or a political community
as i said the community in france is not a political or a spiritual one. I can't even begin to explain how bad it is in france but serves them right.
Mabey if you give me specific question I can awnser them
QUOTE(Italiano_Parkour @ Jan 23 2007, 07:03 AM) [snapback]2673446[/snapback]
no they were not. research it!
The Arabs didn't even have a civilization before Islam. They were desert nomads before that, except for a few small coastal towns. Most of their scientific, technological and philosophical acheivements only came about after adopting Islam.
yeah jagger telling the truth i researched it
so supprised
i have many muslim friends there all devoted muslims they say what ever you see on tv looks really like a consperacy excuse my spelling
the truth will one day come out
it always does.
you will see more of islamic counties are going to be attacked by u know who!
for the past many years its been about islam this islam that watch what happens next?
so supprised
i have many muslim friends there all devoted muslims they say what ever you see on tv looks really like a consperacy excuse my spelling
the truth will one day come out
it always does.
you will see more of islamic counties are going to be attacked by u know who!
for the past many years its been about islam this islam that watch what happens next?
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