http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/110...g_Sentence.html



In Pakistan, the rapist would get 51 pats on the back (or possibly high fives) and the woman would be executed.

You know that Rick James thing was the first thing that I thought of...lol

Anyway, that's messed up! I would let the local dogs and cats play with his pee wee.

You forgot to post the rest of the story.

I luv the Chappelle Show. Why did it have to go off?!

Hmmm...I guess a public slapping is better than nothing. But not much.

Hey..at least a rapist's actions are being recognized as something wrong and they are doing SOMETHING about it. Public slappings are better than just letting the rape slide.

It was kind of sad reading that Mukhtar Mai's case or whatever about how some people don't believe women when they say they got raped, or how they need 4 male witnesses to help testify?

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaah daaaaaaaaaaaarknessssssssssssssssssss

Sigh, I miss the Chapelle Show too, this world just ain't fair.

^^nice avatar.


NO, women don't need four male witnesses to testify that they have been raped. The quran demands four male witnesses to the act of "illegal" sex i.e. adultary to prove that a woman is an adulterer. But proving such sex is technically almost impossible. This law was originally intended to protect women's reputation against slander, but it is being distorted. You probably know how the desi police and government courts are. "Eek haat le dusre haat de." That's their motto.

Anyways I met Mukhtar Mai on the international women's day back in Pak. Her case was quite different. It wasn't a rape with sexual motivation, but a social rape. It was like honor killing. Not due to the social laws of Pakistan, but because of the mentality of people in rural areas, which must be changed. Their religion must be taught to these people. They should learn that it's a great sin to kill, rape or seriously injure any innocent human being. They should learn what the proper behavior in their Islamic society is. That forced marriages are NOT allowed in Islam. That a marriage with forced consent is NOT valid. They need to learn the basic islamic moral principles from the quran in their OWN language instead of just reciting the quran in arabic, while almost no one can understnad it in there. Stop to view the birth of a girl as burden. These are some of the crucial problems there, that must be eradicated with appropriate moral teachings in shools.

It's really sad that Pakistani society doesn't do much to protect women, the most precious thing that any society has. Same goes for the Indian society.

In glorious nation of Kazakhstan, man get trophy for raping woman.

"Darkness everyone, darkness. Darkness is spreading." ~Rick James-Chappelle Show

Chappelle Show-rick james and charlie murphy

I luv this episode. I was crying laughing through this whole skit.

Hey, I'm gonna make a thread for fav chappelle quotes

Come off it. You actually think being SLAPPED is at all equivalent to being RAPED? I would be happier if the decision was for the rapist to be @$$-raped than being slapped a bunch of times. Imprisonment would be ideal, though. Better than nothing does not a good punishment make.

That's what I read in the Indian reporter. Maybe they misunderstood and thought that it was referring to rape. I'm not just talking about Pakistan. People like that can be anywhere.






Where did I say that "being slapped" was the EQUIVALENT of being raped?

Reread the article where it says that that's all what the village can do.


If you lived in India, then you would understand how nothing is done about a lot of rape cases.


If it was up to me to come up with a punishment, then I sure as hell would do more to that person than a public slapping. But I don't live in that village and it's not up to me.


So, what else do you want me to say then? The public slapping is the only thing that they can do right now.

^I don't care about the excuses. I don't see something as atrocious as that being let off lightly and just think "well, that's all the could do, so they did it, fair enough." If that's all they could do then the system is fu-ked up and I'm GLAD I don't live in India, and that doesn't change a goddamn thing. "The system is backwards" is not a good fu-king excuse.

^^Did you read post #3 ?



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Honey, corruption is everywhere. I knew a man living in America that only got 7 years of prison after sticking a knife in his wife's eye and leaving her permanently blind in that eye, cutting her face up, and attempting to kill her. He was supposed to get 9 years, but the American system let him go 2 years earlier because he was so "well-behaved" in prison.

A 9-year sentence in prison isn't even enough for something that heinous, and being well-behaved in prison is NO excuse either for the American system to let someone out like that either. People with minor crimes compared to this man's actions have received longer jail sentences than him!


You can go fly to India and do something about the system or do something to the rapist, instead of getting irritated at us.

@pun: That's all great and good, but since the majority of rapes aren't going to reach criminal court it doesn't help too much, does it? I'm not blaming any particular person or the village itself, but the system is corrupt if a man can rape a woman and get off with a slap on the wrist (okay, face, whatever).

@ExpressYourself: I didn't twist your words around. You were the one that made a statement that the man got what he deserved, when he deserved a fu-k lot more than that. Uh, I never said corruption wasn't everywhere. Though it's not distributed equally, some places have more than others. I can tell you're taking this as an insult to Indians. "So what if that man raped her and just got slapped? Some American dude stabbed his wife and and got seven years! Nyah-nyah-nyah." It's not a fu-king contest about who's worse off. And I'd say 7 yrs imprisonment is a lot fu-king better than being publicly slapped.

This is what I said

Hey..at least a rapist's actions are being recognized as something wrong and they are doing SOMETHING about it. Public slappings are better than just letting the rape slide.

It doesn't say anywhere that "The man got what he deserved." You just misinterpreted it that way.


And, why are you swearing? You're acting like we're the ones who had something to do with this whole incident.

I'm swearing because I'm fu-king pissed off at how lightly this thread is taking the issue. The photo presented and all the Chappelle show comments. It's sick. You don't joke about $hit like this.

You know what? When I swore in front of my mother as a kid I got slapped in the face. Big fu-king deal. That is not a fu-king punishment for rape.

What makes you think that man was "American"?

Honey, that man was of Indian descent. He was an Indian immigrant living in America.

If I took this to be an insult to Indians, I wouldn't have mentioned the example of an Indian man stabbing his wife.

^Whatever, you were comparing American justice system to Indian justice system to try to make it about who is more or less corrupt. You've already mentioned this man to me before, let's not get all into that again. You like to bring it up because it's personal and I can't touch it in an argument. That's pretty low. You were comparing two countries and saying one is just as bad as the other, basically meaning to say I can't complain about one justice system if there's imperfection in justice systems elsewhere, which is simply diversion from the topic at hand.

Oh good old Gretchen. I knew you sounded too familiar. Why aren't you on your other username?

Can you show me where I said that I was trying to provoke a "who's more corrupt contest?" All what I said was that corruption was everywhere. . If I wanted too, I could have flat out stated that the American system is more corrupt. Why didn't I do this?

We all feel terrible for the lady, and the best we can do is pray that something more will hopefully be done about the rapist. I know the system is corrupt, but that's out of our reach right now.

As for the jokes, I don't why you're taking it out on me, as I'm not the one making the Chapelle jokes or posting any such references to that show.

You should save your eyes for someone else to roll at next time.




Wait a minute. Do you realize that you're stating exactly what I implied in my initial post?


I just happened to throw more words in mine. Maybe that's what confused you.

It's pretty obvious, bringing up something that happened in America simply to "prove" (as if we didn't already know) that the American justice system is corrupt. It's basically saying two wrongs make a right, that if something bad is happening in America, no one is allowed to complain about something bad happening elsewhere. Well, screw that.

Your comment may not have been a joke (I wasn't about to touch the jokes with a ten foot pole because I know how bad I would've blown up) but it denigrated the horror of this incident. That's why I took issue with it.

And no, my comment was a little different than yours. Yours left an air that you were satisfied and that justice had prevailed.

That's your personal perception, but I would have to say that you're wrong. I honestly didn't intend to imply that justice had been prevailed.

I could interpret you any way I wanted to, but that doesn't necessarily mean I'm right. My opinion about your personality and how you present yourself could be wrong, just like how your judgement about someone else's comments could be wrong. Get it?




There you go again with taking things the wrong way. I'm just going to end it here and will recommend that you pray for the lady and the outcome of her case. If you're so concerned about the rapist's punishment, then arguing with me isn't going to help much.

^If I take everything you say the wrong way then have you ever thought that maybe you SAY everything the wrong way?

What happened to my old SN is none of your business, and no, I didn't get banned.

Aww you're so cute with your come-backs.

Nobody else seemed to have a problem with what I said, babe.

^Awww, you're so cute trying to patronize me.

Nobody else seemed to have a problem with the rape at all, most were too busy talking about how much they miss the Dave Chappelle show. What's your point?

Like I said, roll your eyes at them instead and dedicate a couple of posts towards whoever is a Chapelle fan.

You're not making much of a point either by arguing with me.

I already told you, I didn't like your comment because it reeked. And I wasn't going to comment on anyone else because they weren't even talking about the rape. And your little inflammatory uses of words like "babe" and "honey" is pathetic and transparent, just so you know. And so is your immediate jump to talk about that Indian man who stabbed his wife, it's not even relevant to the case at hand but you bring it up for no good reason, simply because I can't touch it due to the personal factor. You don't know how to argue and I think half the time you don't even know what you're saying.

If you think I don't know how to argue, then don't waste your time rambling to me trying to make your sentences sound fancy.


What part of "Take some friendly advice and end it here" do you not understand? Since I understand it, I will have to say good night Gretchen. Have fun rambling to whoever doesn't have you on the Ignore option, or whoever is willing to read your posts.

disco or Gretchen or whatever you prefer, your arguments are completely senseless and idiotic. Your arguing that this guy is not getting prison, but re-read the article and you'll see why. There's no evidence against the guy who did the raping, so the police have little they can do. There's an investigation into it, but it's exactly the same as most places in the world with regards to the law as without evidence, there's little people can say or do against the criminal.

The elders in the village who organised the public slapping can't do more either, they don't have power.

Now for your stupid argument with Express. She didn't say a slapping was enough in the first place, and definately didn't say it was a fair punishment, or even suggest it (god knows how you got such a messed up impression). All she ever did say was that at least there was some punishment against the guy instead of nothing. I'm dumbfounded how you can actually think Expresses comment left an air of satisfaction at the outcome, she never even suggests she's happy with it, only expressing her thought that she's glad that something is done rather than the whole incident completely being ignored.

Guess what, India's not the only place with a system with holes. Express quite clearly pointed out America also has this problem and so does every country in the world.

Also, the fact is Express used a personal experience to justify her points does not mean she used it so you couldn't argue back (though you have no case against the argument, as Express is right that stuff like this happens in America). What's funny is she used the argument not knowing who you were, so how you can think that she used it so you couldn't get on her back about it is nonsensical. As far as I see, she used her argument to simply show India isn't the only nation where the system is messed up, every country has similar problems.

As for Express saying things the wrong way, I don't see it and I doubt pretty highly anyone else interpreted her comment in the way you have. You've thrown a hissy fit over nothing and quite frankly made yourself look an idiot.

As for no one taking the rape seriously, do you really believe that people consider it is a joke? In case you probably don't realise, hundreds if not thousands of cases of rape are occuring throughout the world everyday (a high number of which will result in the rapist getting away), just this one has been brought to attention in the media. Why not take time to consider every single rape that occurs if you're on such high moral ground?

Also, don't try to act as though your argument is better than Express's, because if you had actually thought like you claim you believe you do, then you wouldn't have ever started making such moronic arguments.

@ExpressYourself: Sorry, I'll try to use small words with you from now on so not to confuse you.

You present yourself weakly and argue over nothing. If you in fact agreed so much with me that the punishment wasn't appropriate, then why when I pointed that out after quoting you the first time did you continue to argue with me? Simply for the sake of arguing (and doing it poorly). If you agreed with me that the system was corrupt and that the punishment wasn't just, then why did you make such a to-do about how there are other injustices blah, blah blah, at least they did something. You were just bored, you're not even taking this seriously.

@AC: It's rather easy to gather physical evidence upon examination of a woman. Unless this man used a condom when raping her.

Blah, blah, blah, Express very clearly sounded happy with the outcome. And no one in this thread was taking it at all seriously.

I could fu-king bring up a $hitload of personal things and talk about them in an attempt to make my point without allowing the other person to touch my argument, but I'm not that pathetic and low. It's really cheap to use personal tragedies in arguments when they have no basis. And the idea that saying something is okay simply because it goes on everywhere is also pathetic. I didn't take offense with this case simply because it was in India, I took offense with it because it was a RAPE. Do you want to hear about my personal experience with rape? Well you're not going to, because I'm not so low as to use personal tragedies to make a point that no one's allowed to touch because of the personal aspect of it.

I never said India was the only messed up country. Where did I say that? In what part of anything I said did I imply that I was horrified by the way this case was handled because it was in India? The fact that the majority of rapes everywhere go unreported does not mean one should ignore the few that get reported and reach media news outlets. We can only take a personal interest in what we have knowledge of, so obviously we can't take a personal interest in unreported rapes because we DON'T KNOW ABOUT THEM. We know about this case, and pretty much the entire attitude of this thread has disgusted me.

The fact that Express (who claims now to have agreed with me) argued with me anyway is a clear sign that Express was arguing for arguing's sake. If I misinterpreted her comment, or if she mis-said her comment then what was the argument about? Her argument is worse than mine simply because it is based on nothing but the wish to argue.

@EY & DG hehe

You both should just leave each other alone.

Edit: And no personal attacks please.

Hey bro--I said "let's end it here" a few posts back.

She didn't want to listen, so I already backed out for good.

Did anybody ask for this tirade? Please don't start acting like some "Bipolar and angst-ridden version of Anchal." I and some other guy asked you to end this, so what's the problem?

This is my last shot at a piece of friendly advice for you.

Maybe you should take a break from these forums where "low, cheap people that don't know how to argue" lurk around.


It might give you a peace of mind from these sudden bouts of "hissy fits" and creating defense mechanisms.

has the woman given her consent to this? has her family given their consent? You can't just force the tests on them, and considering what she had to go through, I doubt she'd probably want someone examining her body like that.



Firstly, no. Anyone with a brain should've been able to work out what EY was trying to say. No one was taking this thread seriously because before any real discussion began on it everyone went off topic. Doesn't mean they don't care.

Also, it's not pathetic or low to use past experiences to backup an argument. Where did EY say it was ok for something bad to happen because it happens elsewhere? She said that these bad things happen everywhere, it's really not difficult to comprehend.

Look I'm sorry if you have bad experiences with rape in the past, but your attack on EY is not justified.



we shouldn't ignore any rape cases at all. My point was we're well aware of what happens around the world and just because people don't talk about it doesn't mean they don't care. Yes, perhaps people were wrong to joke about Dave Chapelle, but what's stupid is you're attacking one of very few posters who replied fairly on the topic.



Hold on, get something straight before you say she's arguing for arguments sake. YOU attacked her post, misunderstood what she said (which I'm yet to see anyone else say they thought she meant what you thought) and when I first saw your reply, I was wondering precisely why you were arguing, as I thought you made the same point as her. Quite frankly, you misinterpreted her post, and assumed she meant something which she didn't and the only reason this argument ever continued is because you won't accept that you wrongly interpreted her post and instead bullishly keep trying maintain your stance. She can't be blamed of defending her post.

Pun and Tenj should close this thread immediately now.


Darn you, Dharma Sen.

Closed on request.