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Wulandari
http://www.thejakartapost.com/detailheadli....A07&irec=6


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`Government not serious' about inviting investors to regions



Harry Bhaskara, The Jakarta Post, Jakarta November 18, 2006

"The government has been slow to respond to the desire of investors to put their money into the provinces," claims a deputy speaker of the Regional Representatives Council (DPD).

"The central government is just playing around. It's not serious about attracting investment to the provinces," Irman Gusman complained during a discussion at the Habibie Center on Thursday.

Citing one example, he said a local investor in West Java with US$100 million to spend had to wait two months just to meet a ministry director general.

"This means the central government does not mean business. It is not speaking the same language," he said.


Irman said the central government was reluctant to surrender its powers to the regions.

However, while criticizing the central government, Irman admitted that the problems at the local level were even worse. He said there was a long way to go before the investment climate in the provinces could be improved, adding that reforming local government bureaucracies was the first step that needed to be taken.

The discussion came on the heels of the publication of a study on investment in four provinces -- East Java, Bali, West Sumatra and East Kalimantan.

Funded by the Habibie Center and the Hanns Seidel Foundation, the researchers attempted to identify linkages between the performance of local government bureaucracies in each region and the attractiveness of these regions to investors.

Based on their findings, the researchers -- Dr. Siti Zuhro, Dr. Umar Juoro and Dr. Andrinof Chaniago -- concluded that there was no option but for local bureaucracies to be reformed if the regions wished to attract inward investment.

However, Ryas Rasyid a professor at the State Public Administration School (IIP), said it was even more urgent to change the mind-sets of political leaders at the local level.

"What we need to reform first are the politicians," said Rasyid, who was the state minister for administrative reforms in the government of president Abdurrahman Wahid.

A total revamp is needed in the way politicians are selected and groomed, he said. In addition, the way in which their performances were assessed needed to be improved.

"In fact, the bureaucrats are the victims of the politicians," he argued.

In the past, Rasyid added, the bureaucracy had also been the victim of Soeharto.

"Now, it is even worse than the Soeharto years as the bureaucracy has to kowtow to the various political parties. The bureaucracy has always been destroyed by the politicians."

The local direct elections that have taken place across the country, he said, have threatened to divide the bureaucracy.

"The bureaucracy is deeply divided in many regions. There are a lot of problems happening right now," Rasyid explained.

Newly elected local leaders, he said, often replaced the civil servants who had worked for their predecessors as soon as they took up office.

Hundreds of local elections have taken place since June last year, involving nearly 400 regencies and municipalities in all of the country's 33 provinces.

However, Rasyid argued that the government should not require all local elections to be held right away.

Only those regions whose own-source revenue was at least five times as much as it would cost to hold the elections should hold polls, he said.

Critics allege that local elections around the country have been marred by bribery and nepotism.

Rasyid referred to the type of elections currently taking place as "communal elections".

"Newly elected leaders tend to pick their staff from among people from their own mosque or church, or from the same place of origin or from the same ethnic group," he complained.





We beg foreign countries to invest money in our country. But, we are not serious to manage our own problems. It is about money. Nobody will put their money in our country if we are a mess.

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Betong
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`Government not serious' about inviting investors to regions



Harry Bhaskara, The Jakarta Post, Jakarta November 18, 2006


So Bashkara work for Jakarta Post....
ansudjono
a lot of investors doesnt want to invest in Indonesia ? Its not something new. mainly " perijinan " in Indonesia are very complicated. Evenmore, for every ijin that you are asking, you are going to spend a lot of money.
forrestcat
Every country worries over the same thing.
tengkuafif
Indonesia should have leaders like Malaysia.
ricochet
QUOTE(ansudjono @ Feb 20 2007, 12:32 AM) [snapback]2736108[/snapback]

a lot of investors doesnt want to invest in Indonesia ? Its not something new. mainly " perijinan " in Indonesia are very complicated. Evenmore, for every ijin that you are asking, you are going to spend a lot of money.


that explains why rupiah never go up when all other currency move up against the greenback

but I read in the Edge newspaper that Msian companies making lots of headways in Indo

I think you have to give this govt more time to prove themselves.... look at china....there is more red tapes than any country in the world, but still people throng and throw their money there

so I think ...give indo another 5 years provided the same govt is there to manage the country
purnomor
^ From what I heard, the exporters' lobby (headed by VP Jusuf Kalla, who is a major exporter himself) influenced Indonesian govt to keep rupiah steady at 9000 per dollar to prevent too much rupiah appreciation which would hurt their business.
Proud ASIAN
The topic creator Wulandari sounds like a Malaysian since Malaysian spelling Indonesia into Indon. It is one of the Malaysian habit.
ricochet
QUOTE(Proud ASIAN @ Mar 8 2007, 12:22 PM) [snapback]2775569[/snapback]

The topic creator Wulandari sounds like a Malaysian since Malaysian spelling Indonesia into Indon. It is one of the Malaysian habit.


this is what I dun understand about indonesian in this chat...only this chat I found that it is very offensive if someone call or refer indonesian - INDON instead of INDO

In real life, I never face this problem dealing with my indonesian counterparts

Can someone explain why it is offensive??
forrestcat
QUOTE(Proud ASIAN @ Mar 8 2007, 12:22 PM) [snapback]2775569[/snapback]

The topic creator Wulandari sounds like a Malaysian since Malaysian spelling Indonesia into Indon. It is one of the Malaysian habit.


And why did Wulandari came to the Malaysia Chat and gave us trouble.

http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=96693

http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=48959

Proud ASIAN
Just ask her, what is her motivation doing this and that. About "Indon" it is offensive [ actually racist ] term used to shorten Indonesia. Because "Indon" never used on any even't such as International even't to short term Indonesia like INA that used to short term Indonesia on an International sport game, etc.
forrestcat
QUOTE(Proud ASIAN @ Mar 10 2007, 08:21 AM) [snapback]2780163[/snapback]

Just ask her, what is her motivation doing this and that. About "Indon" it is offensive [ actually racist ] term used to shorten Indonesia. Because "Indon" never used on any even't such as International even't to short term Indonesia like INA that used to short term Indonesia on an International sport game, etc.


She hates native Indonesians and Muslims and Malaysian Muslims.And she's said she's ashamed having native Indonesian blood in her.
firdausj
Our big problem are "law enforcement" and "corrupt bureaucracy".
Honestly speaking, I still can't see a clear and comprehensive strategy from SBY to solve these problems. bawling.gif bawling.gif bawling.gif
ricochet
QUOTE(Proud ASIAN @ Mar 10 2007, 08:21 AM) [snapback]2780163[/snapback]

Just ask her, what is her motivation doing this and that. About "Indon" it is offensive [ actually racist ] term used to shorten Indonesia. Because "Indon" never used on any even't such as International even't to short term Indonesia like INA that used to short term Indonesia on an International sport game, etc.


Indon is used in many tabloids across SG and MY. Anyway can someone substantiate why it is degrading and offensive in the 1st place??

QUOTE(firdausj @ Mar 12 2007, 09:12 PM) [snapback]2786312[/snapback]

Our big problem are "law enforcement" and "corrupt bureaucracy".
Honestly speaking, I still can't see a clear and comprehensive strategy from SBY to solve these problems. bawling.gif bawling.gif bawling.gif


You cant single out only law enforcement or any other authorities...its the culture embedded into the system and into the people

Everybody need to change. My observation and experience indicates that the general people are so accustomed with this until they dont know that its wrong of what they practises

Its an honest truth.....look around you and see the life you live
ricochet
Wednesday June 20, 2007


Bursa Malaysia ties up with Indon bourse


JAKARTA: Bursa Malaysia Bhd and Bursa Berjangka Jakarta signed a memorandum of understanding on Monday to establish cooperative ties in the development of futures and commodities markets in Malaysia and Indonesia.

The exchanges agreed to jointly develop areas of cooperation, facilitate information exchange and experiences in promoting the futures markets of both countries, Bursa said in a statement.

“Bursa Malaysia is a global marketplace and, with the unprecedented and growing demand in Asia, we are proud of an alliance with such a reputable exchange,” Bursa chief executive officer Datuk Yusli Mohamed Yusoff said.

Bursa Berjangka chief executive officer Hasan Zein Mahmud said both bourses operated derivatives market in palm oil in their respective countries.

Therefore, they had common aims and aspirations, he said.

“This collaboration will allow both exchanges to gain through mutual efficiencies,” he added.

AsianGuyFromAsia
There has been an official protest from the Indonesian embassy regarding the malas [ heh lets see if those malay like it or not ] who keep using Indon istead of Indo or Indonesian in their news paper, tv, etc.

Hahahaha, MALAS. Hey other Indoneisan peoples, lets call malaysian as Malas. Lets show them to know the feeling when caled into a name deferent than you should be called as.
Goombaking209
QUOTE(Betong @ Nov 22 2006, 12:43 AM) [snapback]2504420[/snapback]
So Bashkara work for Jakarta Post....


Unless Bhaskara changed his first name to Harry, Ari does not work for the Jakarta Post.
alfan
Indonesia's FDI Surges In 2007

(RTTNews) - Foreign direct investment or FDI in Indonesia rose 73.2% to US$10.34 billion in 2007 from a year ago, the National Investment Coordinating Board said Monday. The amount exceeded the target of US$4.5 billion. Singapore was the biggest source of FDI with an investment of US$3.75 billion in 124 projects, followed by the United Kingdom with US$1.69 billion.

The board said that domestic investment rose 57.8% last year, pushing the overall investment by 71.7% year-over-year. Investment, consumption and exports are the main drivers of Indonesian economy, which is expected to grow between 6.4-6.8% in 2008.

From: http://www.nasdaq.com/aspxcontent/NewsStor...Y_0006.htm&
Pada
Indonesia is one of the many countries that are corrupted. The government only wants to feed their own stomach and not build the nation~ Therefore, this is the result. Indonesia needs a firmir government with better leadership .. but then again, it'll take a long time to change the mentality of the people in Indonesia to change accordingly ..
claudia
Indonesia have to start a new law of monthly salary for every employee. They're need more salary than what the get today.

The point is, when the salary goes up than the price of product goes up to. What a joke!
kelantanese
at least better than malaysia which is when the price of product goes up our salary still remain low. :p
abarai1992
QUOTE(kelantanese @ Jan 31 2008, 11:26 AM) [snapback]3461356[/snapback]
at least better than malaysia which is when the price of product goes up our salary still remain low. :p



haha, true thumbsdown.gif
snoopy
The appropriate authorities need to stamp out corruption once and for all. They're making progress at the moment, but not enough has been done to effectively tackle 'the beast.' Once Suharto's cronies and family members are out of the picture, will the Indonesian people gain the confidence and the political will to eradicate the insidious culture of corruption within the country. It'll probably take a few generations, but, we'll get there someday. Furthermore, political stability needs to increase, so as to attract investors back to Indonesia.
Mangafan2
While this problem seems to be bad at this moment. Indonesia will be one of the last remaining countries with oil.
At some point Indonesia will get alot of money.
kidemangruwet
QUOTE(Wulandari @ Nov 17 2006, 11:58 PM) [snapback]2491870[/snapback]
http://www.thejakartapost.com/detailheadli....A07&irec=6

We beg foreign countries to invest money in our country. But, we are not serious to manage our own problems. It is about money. Nobody will put their money in our country if we are a mess.

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Al qaeda invest heavily in Indonesia by providing monetary fund to JI, that a proof that Indonesia still competitive in investment.
Petrus
QUOTE(ricochet @ Mar 8 2007, 11:47 PM) [snapback]2778013[/snapback]
this is what I dun understand about indonesian in this chat...only this chat I found that it is very offensive if someone call or refer indonesian - INDON instead of INDO

In real life, I never face this problem dealing with my indonesian counterparts

Can someone explain why it is offensive??





Actually, the explanation is very simple.

We Indonesian prefer to be called Indo because we think Indo term is more "high class" than Indon or Ina.

Indo term means mix blood between Indonesians and White people. Deep in our heart, we adore White people. On the contrary, Indon term means "Malays". We don't adore Malay. Because the reputation of Malay is "lower" than white people. And we use " Ina " term in Indonesia to call Indonesians who have bad behaviour such as: cheating in exams, corruption, thief, and so on.

jrockerz
QUOTE(Petrus @ Jun 29 2008, 01:14 AM) [snapback]3782184[/snapback]
Actually, the explanation is very simple.

We Indonesian prefer to be called Indo because we think Indo term is more "high class" than Indon or Ina.

Indo term means mix blood between Indonesians and White people. Deep in our heart, we adore White people. On the contrary, Indon term means "Malays". We don't adore Malay. Because the reputation of Malay is "lower" than white people. And we use " Ina " term in Indonesia to call Indonesians who have bad behaviour such as: cheating in exams, corruption, thief, and so on.



exactly, encik.
Petrus
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Businesses demand certainty from PLN over power supply


Novia D. Rulistia , The Jakarta Post , Jakarta | Thu, 07/10/2008 10:13 AM | Headlines





A powerful business lobby group has a new request for the state electricity company: If you can't give us electricity, at least give us some certainty.

The Indonesian Chamber of Commerce and Industry (Kadin) has said businesses need better information from the state electricity company PT Perusahaan Listrik Negara (PLN) to avoid incurring further losses due to the power cuts.

"We need certainty, such as advance notification if PLN is planning a blackout, because the sudden cuts are harming our production," head of Kadin's permanent committee for electricity Bakti Laddi said after meeting with PLN officials Wednesday.

Kadin's request is similar to that made by Japanese companies in the Japan Jakarta Club, which has also requested earlier notification of blackouts.

According to a survey conducted by the Japanese lobby group, 42 of its members have suffered total losses worth Rp 41 billion, because frequent blackouts in May and June led to defects in products and damage to production facilities.

Bakti said that during the meeting, industries also demanded that PLN prioritize the power supply for industries that rely heavily on electricity.

"Industries with cold storage, and those with have high export activities and with overseas affiliations have to have a guarantee that PLN will prioritize their power supply," he said.

Also attending the meeting was chairman of the Indonesian Plastic Association, Didie Suwondho, who said the prioritization was needed because such industries were mostly labor-intensive and export-oriented.

Bakti said another aim of the meeting was to find a solution in relation to a recent joint ministerial decree on the country's power crisis.

"We discussed the decree a little bit, but because we haven't got the details, we haven't come to a decision yet," he said.

The meeting is expected to be concluded next week.

PLN vice president director Rudiantara said the two parties needed to discuss an appropriate scheme, because industry had different power needs to households.

"We're still at the stage of learning each other's needs and capacity," he said.

The joint ministerial decree, which imposes a new schedule for business operating hours, was finalized Tuesday and is expected to take effect in October.

The decree also establishes punishments for manufacturers that fail to comply with the regulation by cutting their electricity supply temporarily. Companies that do move their operating hours in accordance with the decree will be rewarded.

The details of the punishments and incentives will be determined between PLN and individual manufacturers.

According to the Industry Ministry, manufacturers and households are the biggest consumers of electricity, at around 38 percent each, followed by other businesses such as malls and offices at 20 percent.



http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2008/07...wer-supply.html
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We are doomed !!

If Industries collapse, unemployments will sharply increase. Crimes will happen everywhere badly. Government must be replaced. They have failed us!

Unbelievable!!
Majapahitans
Yes you're doomed you Indonesian pretender....

We need more "Otongicide" here..... icon_twisted.gif
DutchEastIndiesMan
@ Petrus......GTFO you pretender....seriously don't you have something to do ?!?!??!!?
go get a life...
skyisdalimit
@ petrus = quit school and trolling, get a wife, get a decent job, start a family. lolol.

btw can this guy be the next tengkuafif, i forgot that guy name.
indiglo
QUOTE (Wulandari @ Nov 18 2006, 11:58 AM) *
http://www.thejakartapost.com/detailheadli....A07&irec=6







We beg foreign countries to invest money in our country. But, we are not serious to manage our own problems. It is about money. Nobody will put their money in our country if we are a mess.

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Malay$hit/Maliesia troll...undercover (only malie$hit use indon )

New E7 nations 'will overtake G7 by 2050'

The G7 group of rich nations will be overtaken by an "E7" bloc of emerging economies by 2050, presenting a major challenge to a swath of Western companies and workers, according to research published today.

The collective size of the economies of the fast-growing septet - China, India, Brazil, Russia, Indonesia, Mexico and Turkey - will have surpassed the Group of Seven by as much as 75 per cent by the midway mark in the century, it said.

The report, by the accountancy firm PwC, said the rise of these economies was beneficial to the West but warned there would be winners and losers - among companies and individual workers. Its report, which it said showed an urgent need for boosting skills levels, came as the online retailer Amazon.com said it was moving its main European customer service centre from Slough to the Irish Republic because of a shortage of multilingual workers.

PwC found that people with low- or medium-level skills would come under threat - both from having their jobs moved overseas and having them taken by migrant labour. Eventually, even high-skilled professionals such as lawyers and accountants could find their livelihoods under threat.

"Premium incomes currently earned by highly skilled and educated professionals - senior lawyers, accountants, bankers, financial market analysts - will tend to be gradually eroded by an increasing number of equally well-qualified, extremely highly motivated and hard-working English-speaking professionals from the E7 countries."

But it said that many business sectors and trades would be better off as long as Western countries adapted.


source:
http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/news...96-ecd64798a02c

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business...050-468415.html
indiglo
QUOTE (Petrus @ Jun 29 2008, 12:14 PM) *
Actually, the explanation is very simple.

We Indonesian prefer to be called Indo because we think Indo term is more "high class" than Indon or Ina.

Indo term means mix blood between Indonesians and White people. Deep in our heart, we adore White people. On the contrary, Indon term means "Malays". We don't adore Malay. Because the reputation of Malay is "lower" than white people. And we use " Ina " term in Indonesia to call Indonesians who have bad behaviour such as: cheating in exams, corruption, thief, and so on.




petrus you just stupit idiot person it was about grammar

Indonesia = Indo = Indus + Nesus/nesia =Archipelago so Indo+nesia= Indonesia not Indon+esia (it doesnt mean anything)

got it idiot!
We Bahasa Indonesia is very modern than Malay we have EYD that was adopted by Malay$hit (Malie$hit) ,Bahasa Malay$hit doesnt have gramatical!

SyedHussein
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Actually, the explanation is very simple.

We Indonesian prefer to be called Indo because we think Indo term is more "high class" than Indon or Ina.

Indo term means mix blood between Indonesians and White people. Deep in our heart, we adore White people. On the contrary, Indon term means "Malays". We don't adore Malay. Because the reputation of Malay is "lower" than white people. And we use " Ina " term in Indonesia to call Indonesians who have bad behaviour such as: cheating in exams, corruption, thief, and so on.


Unfortunately, The White people that you adore so much, adore malay more then the Indon.
SyedHussein
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We Bahasa Indonesia is very modern than Malay we have EYD that was adopted by Malay$hit (Malie$hit) ,Bahasa Malay$hit doesnt have gramatical!


We've been helping Indonesian a lot for the past 30 years. We gave the indonesians job, we are among the first to give aid to indonesia during the disaster, we Invest in their country when investors from other countries avoid them like a plague. And what do we get in return? they throw feces on our embassy and threaten us? If we decide to send back all of those Indonesian workers, Indonesia will face one of the greatest Social crisis they've ever known. So what? we have people who abuse Indonesian maid. But those people were condemed and they were punished. And the Batik. Malaysian batik are very different from indonesian batik not just in look, but also in the process. Where's the Inodnesian batik are pressed, Malaysian batik, or specifically Terengganu batik, were hand drawn. The Wayang kulit, were originated from malay population of southern thailand, not Indonesia. Kuda kepang? there's many Java descendent in Southern state of Johor, in fact, my Grandfather on my mother side came from Java.

What about Indonesian maid who robbed their employer? what about indonesian maid who abuse or kidnapped their employers children? what about hundreds of Indonesian who robbed and killed Malaysian? Do we get angry at Indonesian and then marching on the street and detain any Indonesian we come across? do we march to Indonesian consulat and throw feces and barred the door? Of course not. We malay pride ourselves of being kindly and polite people. We do have misgivings upon Indonesians who has no business filling up our public transports and their insatiable demand also contribute to the increase in grocery prices. If were thinking like Indonesian, we would've detain all the indonesian and throw them into the straits of malacca. let them swim back to Indonesia. But luckily for many Indonesian here, we are not Indonesian. we are Malaysian, and as such we respect those who show respect to us, even though we have misgivings inside. Ask any Indonesian here what they think of Malaysian? most of them will say they received better treatment in this country then they were by their own countrymen.

My father is a soldier. he once involved in a joint Malaysian-indonesian military training in Sumatera. When the malaysian army finish building camp, they began to visit the nearby villages and start charity work. They build water pump in several of the village and repair some of the villager houses. Then, indonesian soldiers arrive. They too went into the villages, but they knocked on everyones door and ask for protection money. Then they took away the villagers plants and animals. and lastly they were seen dragging several young girls back into their camps.
ataturk
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If we decide to send back all of those Indonesian workers, Indonesia will face one of the greatest Social crisis they've ever known.


Nah, there are only one million or so Indonesian workers in Malaysia, as compared to our 120 million workforce and 240 million population. The remittence sent from Malaysia is far less than what is remitted from our more skilled overseas workers in Singapore, Japan, Korea, and other places with better. In short, Malaysia is economically insignificant for Indonesia.

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Ask any Indonesian here what they think of Malaysian? most of them will say they received better treatment in this country then they were by their own countrymen.


Haha, tell that to the thousands of Indonesian workers who fled to Indonesian Embassy Compound every year to escape abuse by Malaysian employers and the goon Malay cops.

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Where's the Inodnesian batik are pressed, Malaysian batik, or specifically Terengganu batik, were hand drawn. The Wayang kulit, were originated from malay population of southern thailand, not Indonesia.


LOL, it is well known that the best Indonesian batik are hand-drawn (batik tulis). Wayang kulit has been recorded in annals of ancient Javanese kingdoms since 5th century AD, long before people in Malay Peninsula even know how to read or write.

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they throw feces on our embassy and threaten us?


Seeing how Malaysia has developed unjustified and wholly laughable superiority complex over Indonesians, which is implemented by their constant border violations of Indonesian sovereign territory, it is clear Indonesians need to treat Malaysia with arm's length of wariness.

We should seek more sophisticated and effective methods of subduing and weakening Malaysia than throwing feces at their embassy.

SyedHussein
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Seeing how Malaysia has developed unjustified and wholly laughable superiority complex over Indonesians, which is implemented by their constant border violations of Indonesian sovereign territory, it is clear Indonesians need to treat Malaysia with arm's length of wariness.

We should seek more sophisticated and effective methods of subduing and weakening Malaysia than throwing feces at their embassy.


Ambalat and Sipadan is contested waters, so we Malaysian understand if there's a violations on both side as this is a strategy to strengthen their claims, and we don't blame Indonesians if their ships patrol those waters. But the straits of Malacca is not contested waters, neither are Waters off Kota Tinggi. and both side agreed on this borderlines. yet Indonesian navy vessels constantly intrude this waters. not just that, they even kidnapped Malaysian citizens inside Malaysian territory. In fact, in one occasion, Indonesian ship venture within sight of the Coast of Port d!ckson and they were caught on a hotel security camera.
ataturk
^ that is the story that Malaysians were made to believe via the govt-controlled media there. The cold fact is, in 2010 alone, Indonesian govt has delivered 40 official notes of protests to Malaysia govt over border violations by Malaysian patrols. This has been the case in previous years as well. So you can see where all this accumulated anti-Malaysian anger is coming from.
SyedHussein
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that is the story that Malaysians were made to believe via the govt-controlled media there. The cold fact is, in 2010 alone, Indonesian govt has delivered 40 official notes of protests to Malaysia govt over border violations by Malaysian patrols. This has been the case in previous years as well. So you can see where all this accumulated anti-Malaysian anger is coming from.


All of them happen in the contested waters. as the ownership of this territory are still in dispute and yet to be determine by ICJ Malaysia have as much right on the territory as Indonesia. and we don't go around kidnapping Indon citizens. But Indonesian ship that kidnapped malaysian fishermans off the coast of Kota Tinggi intruded into well established Malaysian territory. The fishermans were dragged into the Indonesian territories where they were held for ransom. Are TNI-AL a navy, or a bunch of pirates?
SyedHussein
DEL
Nobody wants to invest in Indonesia?

I am Dutch and i see a lot of business oppurtunities here in Indonesia.

The market promises a lot. biggrin.gif
ataturk
QUOTE (SyedHussein @ Sep 1 2010, 06:50 AM) *
All of them happen in the contested waters. as the ownership of this territory are still in dispute and yet to be determine by ICJ Malaysia have as much right on the territory as Indonesia. and we don't go around kidnapping Indon citizens. But Indonesian ship that kidnapped malaysian fishermans off the coast of Kota Tinggi intruded into well established Malaysian territory. The fishermans were dragged into the Indonesian territories where they were held for ransom. Are TNI-AL a navy, or a bunch of pirates?


LOL, don't get brainwashed by stories made-up by your media, which is a propaganda mouthpiece of your govt. It is the Malaysian marine police who kidnapped Indonesian fishery officials in Indonesian waters who are the pirates. Indonesia will not be intimidated and will continue to arrest Malaysian fihermen stealing fish in our sovereign waters, just yesterday a Malaysian fishermen boat was caught in Indonesian waters, off the border in East Kalimantan.
Indonbali
QUOTE (ataturk @ Sep 1 2010, 06:23 PM) *
LOL, don't get brainwashed by stories made-up by your media, which is a propaganda mouthpiece of your govt. It is the Malaysian marine police who kidnapped Indonesian fishery officials in Indonesian waters who are the pirates. Indonesia will not be intimidated and will continue to arrest Malaysian fihermen stealing fish in our sovereign waters, just yesterday a Malaysian fishermen boat was caught in Indonesian waters, off the border in East Kalimantan.




Talking about the incident... Indon polices are famous for their evil attitudes onto people. Indon polices always blackmail people, torture innoncent people and murder civilians. Most Indon polices can get away after doing the crimes because the law in Indon is very weak.

However, the story will be different in here. Malaysians are non Indons. They are not part of Indon. So, when Indon polices blackmail Malaysians, the backlash happens. Malaysia detains corrupt Indon police and make this case become public and Indon get slapped in its face. Indons just scream and yell loudly.... without daring to do anything to Malaysia.

So, here is the moral of the story..... Indons can mess up with their own people. But, once you mess up with non Indons from other country, you will get slapped at your face over and over again. Don't mess up with the world, unless you Indons want to be publicly humiliated.....
Majapahitans
^^^
What with all this hatred? Sure Indonesia is not a perfect nation, a corrupt official is present somewhere, we don't deny it.
But to simply put blame and demonize a whole nations in too much.

Hmm my troll detector is ringin, I sense an Indonesian hater here...
Indonbali, you are nothing but a pety hatemonger.
A dose of warning and ignoring maybe sufficient for now.
Kopassus
Its just a Indonhatertroll.....
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