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you know as well as i do that most hmong teens now adays prefers to hang out with their friends and drink and smoke and others dont even listen to their parents. When is it that the culture will end do you think? 
Full Version: When will you think the Hmong Culture will die?
When will you think the hmong culture will die? I mean our parents are keeping it alive...for now,
but you know as well as i do that most hmong teens now adays prefers to hang out with their friends and drink and smoke and others dont even listen to their parents. When is it that the culture will end do you think?
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you know as well as i do that most hmong teens now adays prefers to hang out with their friends and drink and smoke and others dont even listen to their parents. When is it that the culture will end do you think?
Whenever all the Hmongs that immigrated to the U.S. are gone or are very few.....meaning probably in the next 50-100 years?
But it won't happen if many people keep it alive....It does kinda bug me sometimes...the day when it's us that has to do these things and the OG's are gone.....would I try to learn or just ditch it, forget about it and live an American life?
But you know there will still always be the Hmongs back in Asia in villages/camps that will keep everything still...hopefully
But it won't happen if many people keep it alive....It does kinda bug me sometimes...the day when it's us that has to do these things and the OG's are gone.....would I try to learn or just ditch it, forget about it and live an American life?
But you know there will still always be the Hmongs back in Asia in villages/camps that will keep everything still...hopefully
I don't think it would die out any time soon. Honestly, the way my family sees it; it is important to have your education first and knowledge of the modern world, then go back and learn about the ways of the hmong people and intergrate that together...that way you don't really lose anything...i'm sure that by the time us modern kids are done with college our parents are still going to be there to teach us the old ways...so as long as we don't completely abondon it...and another thing is there are kids out there that want to preserve who we are and our traditions...so basically i don't think our traditions will die anytime soon....but maybe that's just my view....
why would it die? The miao people in china will be there forever.
when everything in tis whole dam world die the Hmong culture would be the last to die.
QUOTE(lilasiankid @ Nov 27 2006, 03:28 PM) 
Whenever all the Hmongs that immigrated to the U.S. are gone or are very few.....meaning probably in the next 50-100 years?
But it won't happen if many people keep it alive....It does kinda bug me sometimes...the day when it's us that has to do these things and the OG's are gone.....would I try to learn or just ditch it, forget about it and live an American life?
But you know there will still always be the Hmongs back in Asia in villages/camps that will keep everything still...hopefully
I feel you on that one, us younger generation need to get our education first then we come back to learn our heritage and culture. I feel like as i started college i've learned more about my culture than i've ever b4 as long as we attempt at trying to preserve our culture it will always be there when we need it...........
What I need to do first is take a Hmong language class and learn how to speak Hmong PROPERLY 
Cuz I can't do that....I just know basic informal Hmong. Very childish...This is the reason I don't communicate as well as I'd like to with OG's....my family is pretty traditional but...dont know why the fu-k I never got it...
Cuz I can't do that....I just know basic informal Hmong. Very childish...This is the reason I don't communicate as well as I'd like to with OG's....my family is pretty traditional but...dont know why the fu-k I never got it...
i can barely speak hmong OK but yeah i'm also trying to learn the bigger hmong words nowaday along with our own culture 
I feel you on that one, us younger generation need to get our education first then we come back to learn our heritage and culture. I feel like as i started college i've learned more about my culture than i've ever b4 as long as we attempt at trying to preserve our culture it will always be there when we need it...........
its not always there for us so yeah its best to grasp it as soon as possible your parent should be your best helper at this time..well..they are to me
QUOTE(HmOnG_BbOy @ Nov 28 2006, 04:04 PM)
I feel you on that one, us younger generation need to get our education first then we come back to learn our heritage and culture. I feel like as i started college i've learned more about my culture than i've ever b4 as long as we attempt at trying to preserve our culture it will always be there when we need it...........
its not always there for us so yeah its best to grasp it as soon as possible your parent should be your best helper at this time..well..they are to me
Hmong culture will NEVER die. It will evolve through time as in everything else. If you think about it, Hmong culture back in the 70's were different from Hmong culture back in the 20's and so on. We have to evolve to survive, but that doesn't mean our culture will die.
i want to learn about the my culture more... its interesting to learn and i want to be more involved with it and keeping it alive. i believe it can die out like in 200+ years in America, but not in Asia.
you know that question could have been asked by our parents' parents. i mean my mom told me that a lot changed from when her parents were young to when she was young. so i say there is always change but i don't consider it losing. in my case i don't consider it losing because i'm making an effort to learn hmoob kev cai, language (cov lus tob tob li cov lus siv huav kwv txiaj los cov lus siv thaum ua neeb), and etc.
it's your own fault if you lose your identity.
it's your own fault if you lose your identity.
Beginning of message!
It won't die! There are about 6.5 million something Hmong in China vs. the Thousand-something Hmong in the United States. The Hmong culture in the States might get lost later on down the path of life but it won't fully be dead because elsewhere, there are more Hmong that's keeping the tradition alive.
End of message!
It won't die! There are about 6.5 million something Hmong in China vs. the Thousand-something Hmong in the United States. The Hmong culture in the States might get lost later on down the path of life but it won't fully be dead because elsewhere, there are more Hmong that's keeping the tradition alive.
End of message!
Cultures never "die" out. They continuously adapt and evolve over time.
From my perspective point of view, the culture is dying at this moment. Little by little the traditions and culture is slowly fading away. I know that many of you have probably heard from your parents telling you to speak in Hmong instead of English, because that is "your" language, this is because they fear that after they are gone, in other words...dead, the Hmong language and tradition is going to fade away. Sadly, it is happening, in fact, I am losing my sensibility of Hmong, the language, and I barely know anything anymore about the culture. I am extremely influenced in the American culture as I had been born to it. I am struggling to try and keep my culture, mainly the language, but trying to incorporate the American culture, too, is an extremely difficult task. I know that I can not survive without knowing the American culture, as I am a very strong and firm believer in politics and in writing, as in English writing. Also, there are some traditions in the culture that I believe are just wrong and goes completely against my morals and against who I am and who I stand for. Such as, the ability to house more than one spouse. Or, Shamanism, it’s a beautiful and quite frightful tradition, but I rather our generation is more influenced in the Christian religion. I remember watching this film about education in Hmong and I saw this Hmong college student who had to have someone translate her English into Hmong because she couldn't speak Hmong. I was so disgusted, I mean, I was about to just vomit across the room. If I was her, I would be so embarrassed I could not even stand up to the camera. I advise for all of our generation to try and find what in our culture and in the American culture can we collaborate and keep. We need to define who we are and what we are now, as the new generation while still showing who we are. This is something that is very strange coming out of me; I do not appear as the type to even act like this. I am the type to dress in black rock band shirts, skate shirts, jeans, skate shoes, I am much Americanized, but here I am speaking about defining Hmong when my mom is constantly screaming at me about speaking more Hmong. Trust me; I want to keep the knowledge of my culture, but there seems to be a force that seems to embarrass me if I want to try and “re-learn” my culture, again. I want to, but my mother is just not the type of person that you’ll want to speak about that to. Where else am I supposed to go? I sound like a hypocrite, but, I am, at this moment trying to hold onto the tradition and still progress into the American life. It’s just a very hard task, I know that many of you will agree.
QUOTE(Liberi Fatali @ Jan 3 2007, 01:12 AM)
From my perspective point of view, the culture is dying at this moment. Little by little the traditions and culture is slowly fading away. I know that many of you have probably heard from your parents telling you to speak in Hmong instead of English, because that is "your" language, this is because they fear that after they are gone, in other words...dead, the Hmong language and tradition is going to fade away. Sadly, it is happening, in fact, I am losing my sensibility of Hmong, the language, and I barely know anything anymore about the culture. I am extremely influenced in the American culture as I had been born to it. I am struggling to try and keep my culture, mainly the language, but trying to incorporate the American culture, too, is an extremely difficult task. I know that I can not survive without knowing the American culture, as I am a very strong and firm believer in politics and in writing, as in English writing. Also, there are some traditions in the culture that I believe are just wrong and goes completely against my morals and against who I am and who I stand for. Such as, the ability to house more than one spouse. Or, Shamanism, it’s a beautiful and quite frightful tradition, but I rather our generation is more influenced in the Christian religion. I remember watching this film about education in Hmong and I saw this Hmong college student who had to have someone translate her English into Hmong because she couldn't speak Hmong. I was so disgusted, I mean, I was about to just vomit across the room. If I was her, I would be so embarrassed I could not even stand up to the camera. I advise for all of our generation to try and find what in our culture and in the American culture can we collaborate and keep. We need to define who we are and what we are now, as the new generation while still showing who we are. This is something that is very strange coming out of me; I do not appear as the type to even act like this. I am the type to dress in black rock band shirts, skate shirts, jeans, skate shoes, I am much Americanized, but here I am speaking about defining Hmong when my mom is constantly screaming at me about speaking more Hmong. Trust me; I want to keep the knowledge of my culture, but there seems to be a force that seems to embarrass me if I want to try and “re-learn” my culture, again. I want to, but my mother is just not the type of person that you’ll want to speak about that to. Where else am I supposed to go? I sound like a hypocrite, but, I am, at this moment trying to hold onto the tradition and still progress into the American life. It’s just a very hard task, I know that many of you will agree.
You just seem lost. One moment you're preaching about what hmongs should do and how they should manage their lives with both the hmong and american culture, then you say you feel embarassed if you try to re-learn your culture. You're just another one of those ignorant kids who still haven't grown up, but yet they're trying to tell other hmong people what to do.
Word of advice to you: get your s.hit together first before you come here parading around like you have a knowlegable mentality, because you're just making a fool of yourself and no one who has sense in them will take you seriously. People like you are what makes hmong people look bad. You're disgusted with other hmongs who can't even speak their own language anymore, and yet here you are feeling this "force of embarassment" about your culture. You should be disgusted with yourself.
QUOTE(Over the Horizon @ Dec 22 2006, 04:51 AM)
Beginning of message!
It won't die! There are about 6.5 million something Hmong in China vs. the Thousand-something Hmong in the United States. The Hmong culture in the States might get lost later on down the path of life but it won't fully be dead because elsewhere, there are more Hmong that's keeping the tradition alive.
End of message!
But alot of the Hmongs in China are different. They just count the population of the total Miao nationality. Most of them have assimilated into Chinese culture and only speak Chinese.
QUOTE(lilasiankid @ Jan 4 2007, 11:08 AM)
But alot of the Hmongs in China are different. They just count the population of the total Miao nationality. Most of them have assimilated into Chinese culture and only speak Chinese.
Yeah thats the same feeling i get when i think about the hmong in china, They are more integrated with the chinese and they do not really know our culture, most of the hmong in china cant even speak hmong. The only real hmong left are the ones in thailand and the ones in laos fighting for their freedom. I see my younger brothers not comprehending hmong another i always have to translate to them what my parents want. But the hmong culture is fading away faster than expected and its not even adapting like how most of you guys are thinking. If the hmong culture was adapting wouldnt we still be able to speak hmong? Wouldnt we still know what to do when it came down to religion? I'm slowly learning but i hope that our religion will strive because i've seen some religious stuff that i really believed help..........
QUOTE(miss yuli @ Jan 3 2007, 11:17 PM)
You just seem lost. One moment you're preaching about what hmongs should do and how they should manage their lives with both the hmong and american culture, then you say you feel embarassed if you try to re-learn your culture. You're just another one of those ignorant kids who still haven't grown up, but yet they're trying to tell other hmong people what to do.
Word of advice to you: get your s.hit together first before you come here parading around like you have a knowlegable mentality, because you're just making a fool of yourself and no one who has sense in them will take you seriously. People like you are what makes hmong people look bad. You're disgusted with other hmongs who can't even speak their own language anymore, and yet here you are feeling this "force of embarassment" about your culture. You should be disgusted with yourself.
If you go back and read what I had said, I feel embarrassed by my parents to re-engage my culture. I never said I feel embarrassed about my culture. And I am sure that many of "us", the more Americanized Hmong generation can agree that it is embarrassing to try and re-engage with our culture. I never said that I want to discard my culture for good. The balancing of two worlds is extremely hard. Trying to maintain a good education and a proper English skill to achieve that standard and trying to commit to your native culture and not only that, try to live in a social world where the American culture is the majority. Also, trying to live a life with a good sense of moral; the culture itself contains morals that I can't relate to my own. I live in a family where my father have married two wives, that alone made me disgusted with the morals and powers that the Hmong men embraces. This is one of my main reasons to detach. You go live in that sort of situation and allow yourself to have only a quarter of a father for your whole sixteen years of life and you tell me how it feels; having your father be two father, two family producer. I barely see him alone with all the work he has to do. And allowing the fact that he has a whole other family to tend to doesn't help the case, too. I see him before I go to bed and that is it. This is if I am lucky, not to mention that he only sleeps here ever other night. Before I even wake up, he's gone. We never even have a real family time dinner anymore. You live that life and tell me that it's great to live a life of this. It is a very difficult task to balance two worlds and live a life of a good personal moral. Also, yet again, you default to foul language; this doesn't make you any better than I am. I have yet to use any words of offense to you; I must say.
Some last questions for you, "miss yuli", seeing how you are so involved in the Hmong culture. Do you walk around with the traditional clothing on wherever you go? Why and why not, if not, aren't you proud of being Hmong; so, doesn't that allow you to not be embarrassed? How do you engage with the cultural affiliations or ceremonies? Is "Yuli" even Hmong? Last time I checked, "Yuli" is an originated female name from Russia. If you're so proud of being Hmong, why not come up with a much more Hmong-affiliated name?
QUOTE(Liberi Fatali @ Jan 6 2007, 08:18 PM)
If you go back and read what I had said, I feel embarrassed by my parents to re-engage my culture. I never said I feel embarrassed about my culture. And I am sure that many of "us", the more Americanized Hmong generation can agree that it is embarrassing to try and re-engage with our culture. I never said that I want to discard my culture for good. The balancing of two worlds is extremely hard. Trying to maintain a good education and a proper English skill to achieve that standard and trying to commit to your native culture and not only that, try to live in a social world where the American culture is the majority. Also, trying to live a life with a good sense of moral; the culture itself contains morals that I can't relate to my own. I live in a family where my father have married two wives, that alone made me disgusted with the morals and powers that the Hmong men embraces. This is one of my main reasons to detach. You go live in that sort of situation and allow yourself to have only a quarter of a father for your whole sixteen years of life and you tell me how it feels; having your father be two father, two family producer. I barely see him alone with all the work he has to do. And allowing the fact that he has a whole other family to tend to doesn't help the case, too. I see him before I go to bed and that is it. This is if I am lucky, not to mention that he only sleeps here ever other night. Before I even wake up, he's gone. We never even have a real family time dinner anymore. You live that life and tell me that it's great to live a life of this. It is a very difficult task to balance two worlds and live a life of a good personal moral. Also, yet again, you default to foul language; this doesn't make you any better than I am. I have yet to use any words of offense to you; I must say.
Some last questions for you, "miss yuli", seeing how you are so involved in the Hmong culture. Do you walk around with the traditional clothing on wherever you go? Why and why not, if not, aren't you proud of being Hmong; so, doesn't that allow you to not be embarrassed? How do you engage with the cultural affiliations or ceremonies? Is "Yuli" even Hmong? Last time I checked, "Yuli" is an originated female name from Russia. If you're so proud of being Hmong, why not come up with a much more Hmong-affiliated name?
No, yuli is a nick. It's definitely not hmong, but why does it matter if I should use a hmong name or not? I can have any nicknames I want in a forum, hmong or not. I don't even use the name "yuli" outside of this forum. I use my hmong name all the time outside of the net, and I don't have an english/russian/french/whatever nickname for people to call me in real-life either. It's just a name for people to call me on a forum and nowhere else, but it's different for, let's say when I'm naming my daughter, then I would definitely name her a hmong name for sure. If you got a problem for something small like this, then deal with it. There's nothing wrong with using a non-hmong name in 1 forum, and it doesn't make me any less prideful of being hmong. "Yuli" is just a name; it means nothing. Get that.
I try wear hmong clothing whenever the opportunity comes. I'll admit that I do not wear hmong clothes every single time I go to new years, but I do wear them to new years. Besides, being proud to be hmong doesn't mean that you have to wear hmong clothes wherever you go. You can still be proud to be hmong when you wear jeans and a t-shirt, for your information. How do I engage in cultural ceremonies? You don't need to know, all you need to know is that I do engage in cultural/family ceremonies. And I do learn a lot from them.
As for your family life, I've never been in that kind of situation so I wouldn't know, but you choose your stand on in life. Meaning, no matter what you went through in the past, you choose to be the person you are after experiencing those things. The reason why I said get your s.hit together before you tell other hmong people what to do, is because it's true. If you feel like you're embarassed when you try to re-learn your culture then correct yourself first before you start telling others to do this and that. If you were here just expressing how you feel then I wouldn't care, but don't tell others what to do. People are not going to take advice from someone who's just as lost as they are. Oh and you're telling me that I'm no better than you are just because I used the word "s.hit?" It was to get my point across even though it might not sound very nice, oh well, tough luck because that's the way I talk when people like you come on here telling hmong people how to handle things when you can't even handle your own stuff.
deleto...
IT WON'T.. i'm sure there are hmong kids out there who will keep the hmong culture alive.. it won't die...
QUOTE(hmongboy120803 @ Nov 26 2006, 01:01 AM)
When will you think the hmong culture will die? I mean our parents are keeping it alive...for now,
but
you know as well as i do that most hmong teens now adays prefers to hang out with their friends and drink and smoke and others dont even listen to their parents. When is it that the culture will end do you think? Hmong culture will not die out. According to anthropologists, the cut off number is 100,000 members. If any group falls below that number, the chance of survival is slim. What is the Hmong population? 2+ million. We will not die out rest assure.
Hmong culture will die out but Miao culture will endure and prosper!
So no worry! :p
So no worry! :p
It can die out in a few generations. Most Hmongs have converted to Christianity and old beliefs are considered to be superstitious.
that is up to YOU.
ok, so some say the Hmong will die b/c more and more are being converted to Christianity? what about the Koreans who have a laaaaaaaaaaaarge majority who are Catholics and Christians? well! they are still Koreans and i don't see the end for Koreans anytime soon other than probably dying out by fighting against their own brothers if things get bloody. however, regardless of the conversions, Koreans are still strong and distinct in their unique way as Hmong people could. we are too quick to accuse and point fingers, that's why there's no love among us and that's why we don't have a country of our own. we are incooperative.
Hmongs will soon be a lost ethinicity b/c the youth are ignorant of their elders and the continuation of their language. THAT is the main reason why the Hmong may die out. so many of us speak Hmonglish or English only and don't try hard enough to understand and ask our elders any questions about the language and the history of our people. i've never met a person who had impressive fluency in Hmong.
don't blame it on religion. that's a VERY touchy subject that you should know better not to tread on if you are one bit smarter than a pig.
ok, so some say the Hmong will die b/c more and more are being converted to Christianity? what about the Koreans who have a laaaaaaaaaaaarge majority who are Catholics and Christians? well! they are still Koreans and i don't see the end for Koreans anytime soon other than probably dying out by fighting against their own brothers if things get bloody. however, regardless of the conversions, Koreans are still strong and distinct in their unique way as Hmong people could. we are too quick to accuse and point fingers, that's why there's no love among us and that's why we don't have a country of our own. we are incooperative.
Hmongs will soon be a lost ethinicity b/c the youth are ignorant of their elders and the continuation of their language. THAT is the main reason why the Hmong may die out. so many of us speak Hmonglish or English only and don't try hard enough to understand and ask our elders any questions about the language and the history of our people. i've never met a person who had impressive fluency in Hmong.
don't blame it on religion. that's a VERY touchy subject that you should know better not to tread on if you are one bit smarter than a pig.
Ouch! Suddenly the unbelievers are inferior... 
i don't think you can really compare hmong and koreans because korea has it's own country and we don't...it's definitly a big difference.
language, culture, religion, it all plays a role in whether hmong will disappear or not.
language, culture, religion, it all plays a role in whether hmong will disappear or not.
QUOTE(vanggirlie @ May 14 2007, 03:03 PM)
i don't think you can really compare hmong and koreans because korea has it's own country and we don't...it's definitly a big difference.
language, culture, religion, it all plays a role in whether hmong will disappear or not.
language, culture, religion, it all plays a role in whether hmong will disappear or not.
considering the fact that Korea is basically a broken country, has been almost dominated by the Japanese at one point (and Chinese at another), what kept them a surviving ethinicity was their persistency to keep their language and their customs regardless of the pressures to speak Japanese for the sake of the comprehension of the Japanese soldiers. even today, though many can speak Japanese so fluently and are scattered across the globe, regardless of their broken country, regardless of our not knowing if they're South or North, Christian/Catholic or not, they are still a distinct and unique ethnic group for being true to their language, their ways, and customs.
just take this for an example. we all have our own likes and dislikes, but overall, we are human, being able to speak, love, and cry, invent and create little or great things. does our different likes and dislikes make one a pig and the other a horse? no. we are all human still. if you disagree with this, then i guess, b/c we like and dislike different things, we might all become extinct... say, life is boring if we all love spiders. life wouldn't be.
True to costumes and tradition? That's highly in doubt... What's unique to the Korean people has already been lost, replacing part of their identity lessers of their uniqueness. How can anyone claim that their root is truthful for that matter? Just like the hmong people and any other people in the world who's current religion isn't their original; originality is uniqueness...
*sigh* welcome to reality. originality no longer exists, really. what matters most now, as the world is in chaos pretty much, wars here and there over who's the real God or what's the real Truth, is life itself. let's just keep living on, minding our own business and stop blaming people for this and that, brewing up more animosity. after all, we're only human.
Originality exist, recent projects in the state's of America and abroad shows the importance of preserving origin. Think of the monuments, places, neighborhood, art, culture, music, and etc in the world; they all have value because of their origin and history. Originality is very much alive whether you choose to look the other way or not.
Wars here and there over who's god is the real god is only Christianity + Judiasm vs Islam. Let them do what their god commands them to do... People in this day and age are still very stubborn, ignorant, and very naive so religion can be use on them, like a tribal Judas goat leading them to their slaughters...
I would hate to see hmong people get involve as some of the hmong people are Christians and will do anything in the name of their god...
Wars here and there over who's god is the real god is only Christianity + Judiasm vs Islam. Let them do what their god commands them to do... People in this day and age are still very stubborn, ignorant, and very naive so religion can be use on them, like a tribal Judas goat leading them to their slaughters...
I would hate to see hmong people get involve as some of the hmong people are Christians and will do anything in the name of their god...
it's true that it depends on where people come from. through anthropoligists' perspectives, it's also true that, yes, diversity is affected highly by religion, however, that is only to a certain extent and diversity has survived and has been before and after most religions. it's as if some Hmong people are thinking in the same line as those extremists who caused the tragedy of 9/11. i just hope they don't go that far in blaming religion. it's as if one would generalize the buddhist religion in Asia and consider them to have no diversity when we should know that Buddhism has many branches and it's culture that makes this religion each country their own.
yes, there is still originality and the Hmong will remain and also obtain their diversity regardless of religion through their culture -- our language, our customs, our cuisine, our clothing, and our traditions -- that is "originality". Hmong people, Christian or not, it is important for all of you to know that, the MAJOR and most important traditions are still practiced by both such as renaming men when they come to age and paying a dowry for their soon-to-be wives.
Hmong people and their quick tongues have cost them a great deal already. Christianity is not an easy path to follow as it's so narrow, and not only that, it has many branches, that is what makes it a frequently misunderstood religion. i hope we'll be smart to understand that religion stands on it's own and as well as culture does and also not define a society by the actions of a minority group from the past that which may not have any relation to the society overall.
the sad thing is, Hmong people are such a small group, only making up approximately 200,000 in the USA, and as it's human nature to conform to the dominating and majority group (Americans) and we have lost most of our language and our knowledge of our people due to that, especially the younger generation. we are the most illiterate of all ethinic groups but there is little encouragement for the younger generation to trace back into their roots to strengthen their people. as we are a small society, i hope we would learn to love each other and not point fingers but instead realize that we need to emphasize on teaching and learning about our roots as that is what makes us diverse, not our religion alone.
yes, there is still originality and the Hmong will remain and also obtain their diversity regardless of religion through their culture -- our language, our customs, our cuisine, our clothing, and our traditions -- that is "originality". Hmong people, Christian or not, it is important for all of you to know that, the MAJOR and most important traditions are still practiced by both such as renaming men when they come to age and paying a dowry for their soon-to-be wives.
Hmong people and their quick tongues have cost them a great deal already. Christianity is not an easy path to follow as it's so narrow, and not only that, it has many branches, that is what makes it a frequently misunderstood religion. i hope we'll be smart to understand that religion stands on it's own and as well as culture does and also not define a society by the actions of a minority group from the past that which may not have any relation to the society overall.
the sad thing is, Hmong people are such a small group, only making up approximately 200,000 in the USA, and as it's human nature to conform to the dominating and majority group (Americans) and we have lost most of our language and our knowledge of our people due to that, especially the younger generation. we are the most illiterate of all ethinic groups but there is little encouragement for the younger generation to trace back into their roots to strengthen their people. as we are a small society, i hope we would learn to love each other and not point fingers but instead realize that we need to emphasize on teaching and learning about our roots as that is what makes us diverse, not our religion alone.
i wrote a long post to kaya's earlier response but then thought that we would just be running in circles discussing this and neither of us will probably agree nor understand what the other is saying so i will say that i agree to disagree with you on this issue. the korean and hmong being similar thinging.
oh and let me rephrase/add what i said above:
language, culture, religion, it all plays a role in whether hmong will disappear and/or evolve.
- peace out
^_^
oh and let me rephrase/add what i said above:
language, culture, religion, it all plays a role in whether hmong will disappear and/or evolve.
- peace out
^_^
Politically, 9/11 was our own problem, we helped engineered it... But you are right about religious extremists causing tragedy. Diversity perhaps did survive for some but other's not so... If you are referring to religious diversity and ethnic diversity , I believe that you are distorting facts in history. Diversity in present time maybe true but the later isn't... Assimilation is the way, resistance is futile...
Note: Monotheist belief can hardly be consider diversity as one can only have one faith...
It only takes one screw up pastor to lead a screw up church and its followers. The new faith allows too much room for error. Christ is not an easy path, how so? I can see myself struggling to follow but I can't see someone whom was able to give him/herself up for GOD thinking that it's difficult. Isn't doing the right things in life part of that path and following the ideals behind it? I don't think you see the real problem with our people. It's the many branches of church that divides people, they preferred their own things.. Not the majority practice those traditions you'd mention; in fact, the majority would prefer that the soon to be wife or husband be of the same faith, if not he/she must convert. And renaming or participating in any traditional ceremony would wrong their religion.
There's always a cause and an effect from the actions of a "few" in the past for they all share the same common belief even the righteous are at fault, God's teaching contradicts itself... It's a good thing religion was separated from the state or the free minds will be oppressed once more. The few are societies own reflection, she forgot that she'd created them...
Isn't it problematic for you to know how sad the youths has become, yet, you yourself seemed to champion assimilation, the true path?... Hmong people can not expect to have one society but two as some people think they're much better than the other. We'll always point fingers at each other just like any other ethnic groups. There's the Christians and then, there's the Unbelievers; we each have a different societal standard... I'm not sure where you are taking diversity to as you stated that it's not religion that makes us diverse but education and finding one's root.
Note: Monotheist belief can hardly be consider diversity as one can only have one faith...
It only takes one screw up pastor to lead a screw up church and its followers. The new faith allows too much room for error. Christ is not an easy path, how so? I can see myself struggling to follow but I can't see someone whom was able to give him/herself up for GOD thinking that it's difficult. Isn't doing the right things in life part of that path and following the ideals behind it? I don't think you see the real problem with our people. It's the many branches of church that divides people, they preferred their own things.. Not the majority practice those traditions you'd mention; in fact, the majority would prefer that the soon to be wife or husband be of the same faith, if not he/she must convert. And renaming or participating in any traditional ceremony would wrong their religion.
There's always a cause and an effect from the actions of a "few" in the past for they all share the same common belief even the righteous are at fault, God's teaching contradicts itself... It's a good thing religion was separated from the state or the free minds will be oppressed once more. The few are societies own reflection, she forgot that she'd created them...
Isn't it problematic for you to know how sad the youths has become, yet, you yourself seemed to champion assimilation, the true path?... Hmong people can not expect to have one society but two as some people think they're much better than the other. We'll always point fingers at each other just like any other ethnic groups. There's the Christians and then, there's the Unbelievers; we each have a different societal standard... I'm not sure where you are taking diversity to as you stated that it's not religion that makes us diverse but education and finding one's root.
I suggest you to read "Hard to Believe" by John MacArthur. The Word is so frequently misinterpreted. The path is difficult, causing many to stray from it. Christianity is a wide and vastly followed religion, but the path is ever so often strayed from and yet there are those who represent the religion as consumer friendly, which is sad. But what do you know? You're quite the intelligent man but yet have not fully grasped the concept of the religion as it could never be fully grasped for it's complexity. I'm nothing but a common human being following and growing in my faith and only speak of the truth. Yes, I am ashamed of those so called Christians who look down upon those who are non-believers. I am just as ashamed of those who stereotype and define a whole by one. Of course, there are those who will always point fingers and make or seek faults. As I said, welcome to reality. If you truly are afraid that Christianity will cause the Hmong to die out, that is your perspective as well as a other's. In the world out there, there is definitely far more that will outweigh that accusation. Continue to hold your opinion and I won't throw fierce words or curse you. I only pray that God will bless you and forgive you.
From your perspective you may think that religion is full of complexity but in simpler terms, it's really not complex as you would like to think. I would agreed with McArthur that words are frequently misinterpreted but that's no excuse for anyone to start their own religion just because they don't like the original and it's clauses. This rebellion only serves to undermine the established beliefs as you have already known the existence of many branch of churches out there. This result should in no ways glorified the religion or deem truthful. You may think I don't understand the bible but maybe I understood it all too well.
Hmong culture will die when Hmong's language cease to exist.
QUOTE(kaya @ May 14 2007, 04:30 PM)
considering the fact that Korea is basically a broken country, has been almost dominated by the Japanese at one point (and Chinese at another), what kept them a surviving ethinicity was their persistency to keep their language and their customs regardless of the pressures to speak Japanese for the sake of the comprehension of the Japanese soldiers. even today, though many can speak Japanese so fluently and are scattered across the globe, regardless of their broken country, regardless of our not knowing if they're South or North, Christian/Catholic or not, they are still a distinct and unique ethnic group for being true to their language, their ways, and customs.
just take this for an example. we all have our own likes and dislikes, but overall, we are human, being able to speak, love, and cry, invent and create little or great things. does our different likes and dislikes make one a pig and the other a horse? no. we are all human still. if you disagree with this, then i guess, b/c we like and dislike different things, we might all become extinct... say, life is boring if we all love spiders. life wouldn't be.
just take this for an example. we all have our own likes and dislikes, but overall, we are human, being able to speak, love, and cry, invent and create little or great things. does our different likes and dislikes make one a pig and the other a horse? no. we are all human still. if you disagree with this, then i guess, b/c we like and dislike different things, we might all become extinct... say, life is boring if we all love spiders. life wouldn't be.
Vanggirle is right the reason y the hmong culture will cease to exist is because Hmong people has no country. If you have a country you strive and struggle to find some way to keep ur culture alive. The reason y Korea hasnt lost their culture is because they have a country. Korean's can teach other korean's about their culture thru education, look at the hmong they have no way of teaching hmong thru education. Look at korea now, their music's looks more like stuff you see on bet........i saw this korean music video and the lady's moves reminded me of j-lo.
Most of the hmong people's daily life is
-school
-farm
-study
-super little time for fun
and no time to learn about hmong culture......
oh yeah and plz dont compare our ethnicity with another ethnicity cuz if you do it only goes to show that our culture will only fade cuz we have no country.
the only people you should compare the hmong with is the mein (minh) ethnicity, they are just like us. They are the only ethnicity like us that struggle about the same subject....
Oh yeah and the reason y you'll never see a fluent hmong speaker because their are two language that we speak. The white cant understand the green so what else can the green do but to speak english and embrace it........
You and Vanggirlie make a very good point about hmong people not having a country, a foundation or a collective organization; where one can find out about him/her identity. Hmong people will only disappear if they let themselves be assimilated. It's ironic how hmong people have resisted assimilation for some millennia only to be assimilated by priests and missionaries. It's just so sad how educated and knowledgeable some hmong Christians are about their people and culture, yet, they threw their own beliefs away with the alienation of their pob yawg txiv khom. This I could never understand.
Yes, the Mien people and hmong are in the same boat. But I wonder if they are doing better than us, doesn't seem like they are suffering the same challenges as us. Maybe they have a stronger will.
Yes, the Mien people and hmong are in the same boat. But I wonder if they are doing better than us, doesn't seem like they are suffering the same challenges as us. Maybe they have a stronger will.
o what next? the Hmong holocaust? as if Christians have become the rebirth of Adolf Hitler and his army. honestly, this so called "assimilation" that's considered a "rebellion" is only assumed based upon hate, fear, and anger. go on ahead and so be it then. it rather makes me chuckle to find that the some Hmong people can be this dense.
i have the freedom to follow what i wish but i would never forget my people, who i am, and where i come from. i have the freedom to state my beliefs and share my opinion, but i won't go as far as to already blindly & arrogantly speak of what is beyond the ability of a human's mind to ever grasp. it's as if one has claimed to have found the shape and form of love which has been and will always exist as abstract and uncontainable.
i have the freedom to follow what i wish but i would never forget my people, who i am, and where i come from. i have the freedom to state my beliefs and share my opinion, but i won't go as far as to already blindly & arrogantly speak of what is beyond the ability of a human's mind to ever grasp. it's as if one has claimed to have found the shape and form of love which has been and will always exist as abstract and uncontainable.
Is it just an assumption? Deep down you know that our ancestors has always resisted assimilation and it's true that it is founded on anger, fear, and hatred for others whom would want to force their beliefs and way of life on to us. Is it so wrong for our ancestors to hate, fear and to hold anger against others for their aggression? How would you feel if your children are force into slavery and to adopt your oppressor's culture, way of life, and are against their own will? For those that can't feel anger, fear, and host hatred for one's enemy. What is your purpose in life? Is your existence merely to serve the oppressor? Love thy enemy? I don't think so...
At least being dense serve as a line of defense, while others aren't so.
Sure, everyone has the freedom to follow what he/she wishes and to state one's on mind but you contradicted yourself. Aren't you being arrogant & blind? So who are you, where you from, what are some things that are taboo in your clan, who's your pob yawg txiv khom? If you truly know your roots as you so claimed to be, you shouldn't have any trouble answering these questions even if you don't practice your "heathen" beliefs.
I can say that I honestly don't know everything about my tradition, gives me all the more reason to hold onto what I have. The integrity of one's own tradition is far more important. If you say that's been dense than that's what differentiate one from the lesser of the other.
Well, look who speaks beyond the ability of a man's mind to ever comprehend such. If I can remember correctly, you stated that hmong people are descendants of the Caucasian people. And I wonder why you can believe something with absolute certainty, isn't that a little over your grasp?
At least being dense serve as a line of defense, while others aren't so.
Sure, everyone has the freedom to follow what he/she wishes and to state one's on mind but you contradicted yourself. Aren't you being arrogant & blind? So who are you, where you from, what are some things that are taboo in your clan, who's your pob yawg txiv khom? If you truly know your roots as you so claimed to be, you shouldn't have any trouble answering these questions even if you don't practice your "heathen" beliefs.
I can say that I honestly don't know everything about my tradition, gives me all the more reason to hold onto what I have. The integrity of one's own tradition is far more important. If you say that's been dense than that's what differentiate one from the lesser of the other.
Well, look who speaks beyond the ability of a man's mind to ever comprehend such. If I can remember correctly, you stated that hmong people are descendants of the Caucasian people. And I wonder why you can believe something with absolute certainty, isn't that a little over your grasp?
the fact that Hmong people were a sub-group of a Caucasian origin? that has already been known as a fact for quite a long time. the Hmong people have, for centuries, faced many misfortunes, but the one thing gradually tainted us was the lack of love for one another. honestly, clans held grudges against each other, there was competitiveness, jealousy, and some would practice voodoo and black magic on one another. my ancestors? they were known to be highly skilled in Shaman black magic and most of all, their martial arts skills. more than 50 years ago, the Word of God was brought to us through missionaries which set us free from those practices that truly damaged the Hmong already. we're free of those superstitions and curses. as humans, we seeked for another solution, a way for redemption and salvation, and so we came to Christianity. many clans were allied and reunited. over time, there have been countless Apologetics, highly intelligent individuals who once accused the Bible a farce but after intense research have proven themselves wrong. of course, many other religions consist of legends that are relevant in the bible, but doesn't that make us one then, if one would really think about it? we all live by pretty much the same stories... i understand that the Americans used the Hmong to keep Thailand, but i also understand that it was the Hmong who chose to fight under the Americans all for the hunger of money. in the end, we had no choice anyways. but it's as if becoming a Christian has made us White. Christianity is beyond a color and a culture. the lifestyle only asks us to be righteous, but righteousness, as the world is full of chaos and desperation, is hard to obtain, also harder as it takes a lot of courage to understand and embrace the deep philosophic scripture. as vanggirlie said, all those factors play a role in it. one can be lost, but the other factors outweigh it and will still keep us here and we learn to love one another regardless of our beliefs.
wow...yavthaubluv and kaya don't argue anymore its all pointless in here after all it is to resist assimilation and freedom that our ancestor strive for, its free of choice whether you want to convert or not both of you are right at the same time but to save ourself along with cultuer i believe a land is what we all need.
No; similarity of stories, legends, and myths doesn't make us one of them. You know, you make it sound as if changing would end all your problems and truly sets you free. I would agree that it has given you some degree of freedom but you're not free, you merely replace your old life styles with a new. You've only helped to shackle yourself along the many others whom follow the same foot steps. This new change does not end old grudges that Clans have against one another without extinguishing the old flames first. I don't have to give examples of the many problems existing in the many hmong churches to you. You are a very intelligent woman, you can figure it out yourself.
Religion can and will never be a person's salvation or redemption thinking that it will fix his/her problems. Every ethnic group has competitions, jealousies, grudges, and all the ugly traits you can think off. What makes us different from them is that we are less educated than they're. We've only started to make progress a little more than 30 years compared to others, they've have more than a century to perfect themselves. Religion does not end old superstitions and curses like you have stated, you're merely displacing it and replacing with the new one that exist in the new found faith. It is through education, science, and technology that has a profound influence in the way we think and reason. And hmong people a sub group of the caucasion is a long time fact? Maybe bible studies/science but not in real world.
I must disagree with you of the highly intelligent people whom once doubt the bible but through research their doubts were proven wrong. You must understand that not every person's intelligence can be of equals, everyone is intelligent but only on different subjects. Not only that but one must have a clear conscience and a broad horizon to really conclude whether they're wrong or their suspicion of the bible was correct. It doesn't take a genius to realize and apply this simple military doctrine, "divide and conquer" to apply to the bible. You've already know the outcome already, don't you? If not, think of the many different churches or groups we have, does each group think alike or they have something against one an other? I don't see how dividing up our ethnic group is any use to us if love is what we desire. My strength to voice my disagreement is the concerns I have for the youths, seeing evangelical preachers on national tv is bad enough, I do not wish to see hmong people put themselves that low as I've seen plenty of those already.
We did not choose to fight, the fight came to us, it is our duty to defend the country at all cost. Of course, we can help over throw the Monarchy but because of our conscience and morals, we fought for the King. It is the US that struck a deal with us. It is not clear what the Americans promised our people but they have the obligation and responsibility of our people's well being for their part. The US does not care about Thailand and it's not money that we fought for although it's true that our soldiers do get pay for their services. The US supplies the hmong with weapons, ammunition, food, meds, and machinery but ultimately what force them into war was the fact that their homes, family, and way of life are in danger. The US's only objective was to use the hmong as a buffer to stop the flow of man, machinery, and supplies from N. Vietnam to S. Vietnam through the Ho CHi Mein Trails. There's no regret what our people did back then. We will do the same for this country if it's under attack.
tsoompwmywj,
You are right that it's pointless to argue against one another as one's preconceived notion can't be overturn. You're also right about having a place to call home is what we all needed to preserve ourselves. However, I can not just sit around and not voice my opposition. Every person has a voice that can and will affect the others... I like to think and act as a buffer, after all it is this disagreement that actually help kept balance. Imagine if there isn't any opposition to what the churches' plan to implement their own "science" curriculum in every school nation wide, what would have the outcome be? It would definitely be another nation where the church is the state.
Religion can and will never be a person's salvation or redemption thinking that it will fix his/her problems. Every ethnic group has competitions, jealousies, grudges, and all the ugly traits you can think off. What makes us different from them is that we are less educated than they're. We've only started to make progress a little more than 30 years compared to others, they've have more than a century to perfect themselves. Religion does not end old superstitions and curses like you have stated, you're merely displacing it and replacing with the new one that exist in the new found faith. It is through education, science, and technology that has a profound influence in the way we think and reason. And hmong people a sub group of the caucasion is a long time fact? Maybe bible studies/science but not in real world.
I must disagree with you of the highly intelligent people whom once doubt the bible but through research their doubts were proven wrong. You must understand that not every person's intelligence can be of equals, everyone is intelligent but only on different subjects. Not only that but one must have a clear conscience and a broad horizon to really conclude whether they're wrong or their suspicion of the bible was correct. It doesn't take a genius to realize and apply this simple military doctrine, "divide and conquer" to apply to the bible. You've already know the outcome already, don't you? If not, think of the many different churches or groups we have, does each group think alike or they have something against one an other? I don't see how dividing up our ethnic group is any use to us if love is what we desire. My strength to voice my disagreement is the concerns I have for the youths, seeing evangelical preachers on national tv is bad enough, I do not wish to see hmong people put themselves that low as I've seen plenty of those already.
We did not choose to fight, the fight came to us, it is our duty to defend the country at all cost. Of course, we can help over throw the Monarchy but because of our conscience and morals, we fought for the King. It is the US that struck a deal with us. It is not clear what the Americans promised our people but they have the obligation and responsibility of our people's well being for their part. The US does not care about Thailand and it's not money that we fought for although it's true that our soldiers do get pay for their services. The US supplies the hmong with weapons, ammunition, food, meds, and machinery but ultimately what force them into war was the fact that their homes, family, and way of life are in danger. The US's only objective was to use the hmong as a buffer to stop the flow of man, machinery, and supplies from N. Vietnam to S. Vietnam through the Ho CHi Mein Trails. There's no regret what our people did back then. We will do the same for this country if it's under attack.
tsoompwmywj,
You are right that it's pointless to argue against one another as one's preconceived notion can't be overturn. You're also right about having a place to call home is what we all needed to preserve ourselves. However, I can not just sit around and not voice my opposition. Every person has a voice that can and will affect the others... I like to think and act as a buffer, after all it is this disagreement that actually help kept balance. Imagine if there isn't any opposition to what the churches' plan to implement their own "science" curriculum in every school nation wide, what would have the outcome be? It would definitely be another nation where the church is the state.
hmmm, tsoompwmywj, considering your post... this is like a debate that's truly interesting we've pulled out perspectives from so many angles so far... closing my eyes, i see it like a ripped confetti bag, all these confetti scattered everywhere... each one holding a reason... makes me sigh.
well, reality really messes up people from all backgrounds and of all beliefs. i've seen that firsthand. it's heartbreaking how churches i've heard of have broken up all b/c of ridiculous reasons. yes, there will always be that hate lingering among all societies. religion is a personal battle, and it leads to a domino effect. it's sad how we don't have a land to fall back to, but it's also sad that, yeah there's such a few number of us, but some of us act irrationally. everyone holds a fault in this somewhere at some point...
i've been observing the relationship between my father and the non-christian community here which we moved into not too long ago. we hang out with these people a lot, join their Shaman "khi tes" rituals... (we don't take part in the "khi tes" thing though and the bowing), we're pretty tight with the people here, and conversations like this are brought up a lot... it's ongoing and definitely deep and intense... but in the end, these elders learn that and let each other know that, above all, when the Hmong are hit the hardest, it's nothing but love that will ultimately save us, and i respect this as the elders know more than we'll ever discover in wisdom, excluding knowledge. some people i know have been so concerned about this "rebellion" that their own non-Christian kids are losing the "Hmong" in them even more than those who are Christian. *shrugs* i'll leave it at this.
we've pulled out perspectives from so many angles so far... closing my eyes, i see it like a ripped confetti bag, all these confetti scattered everywhere... each one holding a reason... makes me sigh.well, reality really messes up people from all backgrounds and of all beliefs. i've seen that firsthand. it's heartbreaking how churches i've heard of have broken up all b/c of ridiculous reasons. yes, there will always be that hate lingering among all societies. religion is a personal battle, and it leads to a domino effect. it's sad how we don't have a land to fall back to, but it's also sad that, yeah there's such a few number of us, but some of us act irrationally. everyone holds a fault in this somewhere at some point...
i've been observing the relationship between my father and the non-christian community here which we moved into not too long ago. we hang out with these people a lot, join their Shaman "khi tes" rituals... (we don't take part in the "khi tes" thing though and the bowing), we're pretty tight with the people here, and conversations like this are brought up a lot... it's ongoing and definitely deep and intense... but in the end, these elders learn that and let each other know that, above all, when the Hmong are hit the hardest, it's nothing but love that will ultimately save us, and i respect this as the elders know more than we'll ever discover in wisdom, excluding knowledge. some people i know have been so concerned about this "rebellion" that their own non-Christian kids are losing the "Hmong" in them even more than those who are Christian. *shrugs* i'll leave it at this.
You're so right about the parents' whom are so worried about the many "rebellions" out there that they forget about their own kins.
I just think that people believing and adopting a new belief left and right is what weakens us physically and mentally. As we have so many more disagreements between the many sides. Radical movements and the desire to establish a self sustaining society outside the norm is particularly the most disturbing all coming out from those whom claim that they are for the hmong people, hlub haiv neeg hmoob. To the commoner, this is alienation. But as you said even with all these changes, some how, we are still able to come together and might even love one another despise our differences. I just wish that hmong people would be more conservative about their identity, culture, and heritage as we don't have a home land to return to. Not only that but we should think far into the future and know what its consequence on our descendants.
I just think that people believing and adopting a new belief left and right is what weakens us physically and mentally. As we have so many more disagreements between the many sides. Radical movements and the desire to establish a self sustaining society outside the norm is particularly the most disturbing all coming out from those whom claim that they are for the hmong people, hlub haiv neeg hmoob. To the commoner, this is alienation. But as you said even with all these changes, some how, we are still able to come together and might even love one another despise our differences. I just wish that hmong people would be more conservative about their identity, culture, and heritage as we don't have a home land to return to. Not only that but we should think far into the future and know what its consequence on our descendants.
QUOTE(hmongboy120803 @ Nov 25 2006, 11:01 PM)
When will you think the hmong culture will die? I mean our parents are keeping it alive...for now,
but you know as well as i do that most hmong teens now adays prefers to hang out with their friends and drink and smoke and others dont even listen to their parents. When is it that the culture will end do you think?
but
you know as well as i do that most hmong teens now adays prefers to hang out with their friends and drink and smoke and others dont even listen to their parents. When is it that the culture will end do you think? the irony is that we see our culture slowly deterioate and bring up discussions about the uncertainties of it yet all we do is wait for it to die---as if we are hopeless, unable to save it. pathetic
I just think its sad that the majority of people i have run into dont even know what "hmong" is, plus they dont even know it exist until we mention it to them. I live in sacramento, and i have to say that there are a lot of hmong people here compared where I use to live and Im suprised when people come into my store where I work at and ask me what my nationality is, i would say "hmong", and they would answer "oh what country is that?" or "what is that?" it shocks me because I would think that these people who are living amongst us would know what hmong is, but they dont. Then when we go to the Hmong new year I rarely see any other races there and when I have gone to the chinese new year i've seen blacks, hispanics, caucasian, and many other asian cultures celebrating the chinese new year.
I mean here we are posting if our culture is going to die out in the future instead we should be thinking of how are we going to make ourselves known to others...where people of other races will say "oh I know what hmong is". I feel like hmong people are hiding out in their homes or somewhere! i rarely see them around here in sacramento unless i go to the asian stores haha.
I dont think we are going to die out unless we just keep our cultures strong...i mean we have sooo many differences and we argue about this and that and it just makes us become far apart from each other, i just wish that we could just understand and respect eachothers differences and focus on bringing the culture together and just enjoying who we are it doesnt matter what religion we are in or what kind of morals we have.
I mean here we are posting if our culture is going to die out in the future instead we should be thinking of how are we going to make ourselves known to others...where people of other races will say "oh I know what hmong is". I feel like hmong people are hiding out in their homes or somewhere! i rarely see them around here in sacramento unless i go to the asian stores haha.
I dont think we are going to die out unless we just keep our cultures strong...i mean we have sooo many differences and we argue about this and that and it just makes us become far apart from each other, i just wish that we could just understand and respect eachothers differences and focus on bringing the culture together and just enjoying who we are it doesnt matter what religion we are in or what kind of morals we have.
QUOTE(orchid01 @ Jun 1 2007, 01:04 PM)
I just think its sad that the majority of people i have run into dont even know what "hmong" is, plus they dont even know it exist until we mention it to them. I live in sacramento, and i have to say that there are a lot of hmong people here compared where I use to live and Im suprised when people come into my store where I work at and ask me what my nationality is, i would say "hmong", and they would answer "oh what country is that?" or "what is that?" it shocks me because I would think that these people who are living amongst us would know what hmong is, but they dont. Then when we go to the Hmong new year I rarely see any other races there and when I have gone to the chinese new year i've seen blacks, hispanics, caucasian, and many other asian cultures celebrating the chinese new year.
I mean here we are posting if our culture is going to die out in the future instead we should be thinking of how are we going to make ourselves known to others...where people of other races will say "oh I know what hmong is". I feel like hmong people are hiding out in their homes or somewhere! i rarely see them around here in sacramento unless i go to the asian stores haha.
I dont think we are going to die out unless we just keep our cultures strong...i mean we have sooo many differences and we argue about this and that and it just makes us become far apart from each other, i just wish that we could just understand and respect eachothers differences and focus on bringing the culture together and just enjoying who we are it doesnt matter what religion we are in or what kind of morals we have.
I mean here we are posting if our culture is going to die out in the future instead we should be thinking of how are we going to make ourselves known to others...where people of other races will say "oh I know what hmong is". I feel like hmong people are hiding out in their homes or somewhere! i rarely see them around here in sacramento unless i go to the asian stores haha.
I dont think we are going to die out unless we just keep our cultures strong...i mean we have sooo many differences and we argue about this and that and it just makes us become far apart from each other, i just wish that we could just understand and respect eachothers differences and focus on bringing the culture together and just enjoying who we are it doesnt matter what religion we are in or what kind of morals we have.
Damn this $hit is long I'm tired of readin this $hit..
anyways.........What I think is it won't die out....
But there is good oppositions.......Hmong culture is outdated
I mean we youngsters are adapting into other cultures...........where-ever they live
France: they can't speak Hmong
America: We still got it going....and yes where losin it but we got Prodigies out there who still has it alive
Laos: You already know.....but there are alot of Lao Hmongs who prefer to speak Lao over Hmong like in AMerica
China: More hmongs are being sent to school and speak more Chinese than Hmong..like Hmong AMericans chose english over Hmong just like the Laotian kids
Anyways.....I strongly believe taht there is some revolutionist/idealist people out there who are going to try and adapt the Hmong culture to the modern world.
That means cut down on traditions, like the animal sacrifices.
^yall niggas heard of speaking 3, 4, etc languages. shix i speak 3 and still manage to speak ebonics naga
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