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tangawizi
A Somali just sent me the link to this article :

What really sparks my interest is how local islamic traditions differ from people to people, nations to nations. There is obviously no one standard of law yet, and Somalis have to unlearnt their local traditions and follow the standard set down by the Qu'ran.

Even so, they acknowledge they have to balance the modern day issues from women's liberty to non-violent political solutions rather than medieval concepts of jihad.

Some friends who work in the humanitarian field are suggesting that perhaps Islamic council is the only thing that will keep Somalia's various ethnic clans and their warlords at peace. Perhaps one can see the conditions that gave rise to Islam is not far from what is happening in present day Somalia.

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Somalis learn to follow the law

By Yusuf Garaad
BBC Somali Service editor, Mogadishu

Fear of a good lashing or having one's head shaved is keeping drivers in Somalia's capital on the straight and narrow.

A few months ago, Mogadishu's chaotic roads were ruled by red-eyed, open-shirted militia, speeding along in their technicals - the open vehicles with anti-aircraft guns mounted on the back - weaving from one side to the other to avoid the potholes.

Today, one of the world's most dangerous cities has been tamed: law-abiding men and women motor along without a gun at their side, keeping steadily to the speed limit, and not daring to swerve for craters.

This transformation is down to the rule of the Union of Islamic Courts (UIC), which took control of Mogadishu in June and much of southern Somalia since then.

They have imposed Sharia law and are at lengths to show that no-one, no matter their clan or influence, is above God's law.

Trials are swift and punishments public: publicity is their policeman.

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Most are astounded by the changes - restaurants are opening, business is booming - and people are proud to show off to visitors their new-found security.

But with reports that Ethiopian troops are in the country backing the beleaguered interim government in Baidoa and peace talks deadlocked in Khartoum, the calls for jihad grow.

It is talk that may win approval amongst the young at rallies after Friday prayers, yet behind the rhetoric the city's residents are sick and tired of the 16 years of fighting Somalia has experienced since the fall of Siad Barre.

"Jihad will mean more deaths. Why can't we use our brains to solve the political stalemate instead of fighting?" a female student recently had the temerity to ask UIC chairman Sheikh Sharif Sheikh Ahmed in a debate broadcast on the BBC Somali Service.

The 400-strong audience burst into applause before Mr Ahmed had a chance to respond.

Questions then flowed thick and fast from other women.

"Will you allow women to work in the media? Are you the Taleban?"

A known moderate, Mr Ahmed sought to allay their fears: the Islamists, he said, did not want to stop women working.

"Actually, I am happy a woman is asking this question - at a university campus," he said.

Yet it is this uncertainty about the UIC's intentions that marks life in the capital.

Elopements banned


Loud music no longer blares from taxis: it has not been banned, but it is felt best not to test the waters.

In Kismayo, 500km south of the capital, Islamist hardliners have banned the chewing of the mild narcotic khat - an afternoon ritual across the country.

On Tuesday, a distraught football fan phoned up the BBC Somali Service from Jamame, near Kismayo, begging them to include La Liga match details in their sports reports the next day as he said the screening of football matches had just been banned in his town.

These creeping edicts may be the courts' undoing as Somalis have always had a fairly liberal interpretation of the holy scriptures.

Agaran, which means green in Somali, is the perfect example. The coastal town is Somalia's Gretna Green, where couples eloping from the capital can go for a quick marriage.

According to local Islamic tradition, a woman must get her father's consent to marry if her father or guardian is within 50km.

On the map, Agaran is just over 50km south of the capital with many a willing sheikh at hand to perform the nuptials without dowry objections and saving the young couple wedding expenses that can ordinarily cost up to a year's wages.

Agaran's days as Somalia's romantic capital, however, are over, as Islamic leaders banned elopement marriages as unlawful on Monday.

Dissenters argue that this authoritarian attitude is eating away at Somali culture and traditions, from dulling their dress code to muting their music.

But for most this is an argument for another day.

For now, Somalis are basking in the novelty of moving about freely, the novelty of seeing a woman behind the wheel, the novelty of militiamen greeting them politely at checkpoints, the novelty of leaving their guns at home.

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That said, things could blow up in that region as Ethiopia and Eritrea attempt to play their war games with Somalia as catalyst.
Happy Asian
If Ethiopia keeps on interfering I guess the Islamist Somalis will go out and cause series damages. Nothing with that, I support them.
swingdoctor
Isn't there also some ethnic cleansing going on in Somalia?
tangawizi
no, not that i know of... there are just clan warfare and a struggle for power between the transition government that has been appointed under the EU sponsored peace process, but who is rejected by the Islamic Council because the transitional government appointees all come from a dominant clan, whereas the council is made up of representatives from other lesser clans, hence they view themselves as more representative of the somalians.

northern somalia near the border of etiopia is not in civil war, it has been relatively stable all these years.

but things are apparently not well, as streams of refugees have begun coming to Kenya once more when the Islamic council took control of the mid and southern parts of the country.
swingdoctor
QUOTE(tangawizi @ Nov 30 2006, 10:54 PM) [snapback]2531100[/snapback]

no, not that i know of... there are just clan warfare and a struggle for power between the transition government that has been appointed under the EU sponsored peace process, but who is rejected by the Islamic Council because the transitional government appointees all come from a dominant clan, whereas the council is made up of representatives from other lesser clans, hence they view themselves as more representative of the somalians.

northern somalia near the border of etiopia is not in civil war, it has been relatively stable all these years.

but things are apparently not well, as streams of refugees have begun coming to Kenya once more when the Islamic council took control of the mid and southern parts of the country.

I was watching a documentary the other day regarding some refugees from Somalia and essentially it said that some militia came to a village and basically told its inhabitants that they were taking their land, one man refused and was taken away and shot. Some of the women were raped before the villagers left as refugees.

This documentary also highlighted problems non muslims were having since the Islamic Council took over.

I have to admit though I was busy at the time so wasn't listening in great detail about what was being said.
forrestcat
Somalia have been ravaged been war despite being ruled by Western backed warlords and anyone seen as kicking the arses of these despot warlords as seen as heroes by the Somalis and it was these Islamist who dare to do it.

As I mentioned before,in the Middle East and perhaps in Northern Africa,Islamic political movements are seen as a force of justice and stability just as Westerners see democracy as the ultimate form of governance. Almost all parts of Northerns Africa has been ruled by Western based governments yet failed to develop the region..hence people like the Somalis are willing to accept a different rule for change....but I dunno whether it'll better ....for all I know they might use religion just as a tool to attract suppport...we will have to wait for time to finish Somalia's tale..
swingdoctor
QUOTE(forrestcat @ Dec 1 2006, 12:56 AM) [snapback]2531528[/snapback]

Somalia have been ravaged been war despite being ruled by Western backed warlords and anyone seen as kicking the arses of these despot warlords as seen as heroes by the Somalis and it was these Islamist who dare to do it.

As I mentioned before,in the Middle East and perhaps in Northern Africa,Islamic political movements are seen as a force of justice and stability just as Westerners see democracy as the ultimate form of governance. Almost all parts of Northerns Africa has been ruled by Western based governments yet failed to develop the region..hence people like the Somalis are willing to accept a different rule for change....but I dunno whether it'll better ....for all I know they might use religion just as a tool to attract suppport...we will have to wait for time to finish Somalia's tale..

Sure I agree with this and I'm not suggesting that the people of Somalia are relatively worse off under Islamic rule. I don't know how much better or worse the Western back warlords would have been because in Somalia anyway they could not defeat the other warlords and therefor could not govern adequetely. Its only now that some warlords have been able to unite under one banner that one faction has been strong enough to concour the others.
What I'm suggesting is that whoever wins power, I hope will govern fairly, and that the rights of all its citizens will be protected equally.
With Ethiopia entering the frame, we will see what happens....
Kiss_the_Girls
Ohh dear God, Somalia will be like the next Malaysia. Where if you ain't Muslim. YOUR NOT WELCOMED!
Protoculture
QUOTE(Kiss_the_Girls @ Dec 3 2006, 03:14 PM) [snapback]2538397[/snapback]

Ohh dear God, Somalia will be like the next Malaysia. Where if you ain't Muslim. YOUR NOT WELCOMED!


You don't know a jack about Malaysia, ignorant fool ...
forrestcat
^Proto,u really are very hostile to critics of Malaysia embarassedlaugh.gif ....I ave seen ur post at WAFF,very agressive but I advise next time keke,panda gemuk and gary strikes again,it's best we ignore their posts coz in the end it'll atract bad attention from other bigots at WAFF. embarassedlaugh.gif
Protoculture
QUOTE(forrestcat @ Dec 6 2006, 02:13 AM) [snapback]2546111[/snapback]

^Proto,u really are very hostile to critics of Malaysia embarassedlaugh.gif ....I ave seen ur post at WAFF,very agressive but I advise next time keke,panda gemuk and gary strikes again,it's best we ignore their posts coz in the end it'll atract bad attention from other bigots at WAFF. embarassedlaugh.gif


I've battled with Keke before ... a longgggg time ago. My standard response to Keke is mostly by ignoring him. In fact, I haven't visited WAFF in ages, its just for a brief while, & seeing panda posted BS about 'black racist malays', I just gotta being supersonic.

Sometime, my patience ran out when I see idiotic post like the one posted by K_S_G!

One more, fighting back is good!
tangawizi
QUOTE(Kiss_the_Girls @ Dec 3 2006, 11:14 PM) [snapback]2538397[/snapback]

Ohh dear God, Somalia will be like the next Malaysia. Where if you ain't Muslim. YOUR NOT WELCOMED!


Wtf! The Somali women are effing gorgeous!!! and their men have hormones shooting out of their ears with their AK47s. They 8888 and fight like crazy.

Malaysians are tame compared to Somalis. Hehehe.. embarassedlaugh.gif
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