Im Davaoeño and I speak fluent Mandaya which is the native tongue of Davao. Im 22 years old and I have yet to meet anyone my age from the city, even those in my generation inside my family, who speaks it. The only ones I speak Mandaya to here in the city are old people or those from the provinces. Davao is now only speaking bisaya which is from the Visayas as the name suggests since Davao is a melting pot, a lot of visayans, Ilocanos and Ilongos settled here thats why Davao now speaks a bisaya distinctly Davao. It has mixtures of tagalog, Ilocano and a bit of Ilongo. But no one now speaks Manadaya or even Dabaweño which is a bastardized version of Mandaya. I hope the local government does about this as it is part of our culture and the new generation are not even aware that Davao has its own dialect.

Sorry to here that but Manila doesnt care as do most filipinos. Just speak taglish instead that way maybe u can make it into showbiz .

we share same sentiments my friend, Im a Matigsalug of Sinuda, Bukidnon. Im an I.P too...

Ganun Talaga kasi Diskriminated tayong mga katutubo, D2 na me stay Manila, I know little of our dialect because I grew up here,I can't speak but I do understand, I was born in davao so I know how to speak Bisaya. my parents sitll practice the old ways, naa pa mi mga ritual og usahay mag tribal attire kami in special occasions.

Minority Kasi ang tribu natin jan, pati yung Bagobo ng Davao. Mostly nasa bundok pa, kaya minimal lang ang makita natin na speaking mandaya or bagobo or whatever. and to the fact na Bisaya is the language used in business jan sa atin, I mean every body knows bisaya.

Unlike sa Norte, In Kalinga, Every Body knows how to speak Kalinga and Ilocano as the 2nd Language for them.

Maybe because of the Settlers from Visayas that we became accumulated by their culture, if we don't start caring and preserving it. basig mawala na! anyway didto sa amo sa sinuda, kitaotao kay ang akong uncle si Mayor Gawila Jr. man ang mayor, unya kay Netibo man na sya, naa sya programs to preserve the cultural heritage of the Manobo-Matigsalug.

Dapat unta, si Mayor Deuterte naa pud sya programa to preserve the Mandaya and Bagobo Culture of Davao.

Yo is it true that most people in Mindanao nowadays aren't native Mindanaoans at all but are Visayans? My family's maid was from Davao Oriental province and she spoke a dialect of Cebuano, well I'm not sure she called it Bisaya but she spoke with another maid from Visayas who cannot speak Tagalog properly and she couldnt understand her much at all.

Just as much as I don't care what fickle people like you think. This topic is for those who do so I suggest you practice more on your acting and your taglish so maybe then you can get into showbiz and mingle with the likes of Boy Abunda. I know you would love the idea of you lying on the floor and telling you story to Boy Abunda in taglish on a sunday afternoon.

Oh man only if i was so lucky I wish to be like my idol Sandara Park because she talented and she is the best actor ever, she makes me so proud to be filipino .

i think RL33 is just doing that characteristic filipino trait of not ever taking issues seriously and always had to say some joke then nothing ever get done and the country is still mess up! i care about bagobo sittuation and all indigenous ppl, but im only in america and can not make a voice. maybe u should just record ur heritages and then promote it to america so american pinoys will readily want to learn it because we want to present an authentic ethnic identity in america. =D

see check it out. this filipino muslim guy is teaching his traditional kulintang music and muslim culture to america. he is becoming a teacher who teaches classes in america to eagar filipino students wanting a taste of a real culture!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9I5F3nqygIM

hey I know how to play kulintang the LUMAD way. But I Can't teach without the authority of the Tribal Leaders because my skill is the property of the tribe.

darren and vynncute,

the best way you can help preserve it is to speak the language and teach the people your language, or make a record of your vocabulary with examples of how it is used in a sentence. i'm very interested to learn the mindanaoan languages. i hope to be able to help preserve it by learning it. the problem is with our system where our native languages are not preserved because of lack of interest arguing that "it is not a national language and it would be a waste of resources to spend money for its research and preservation. so let's just all learn tagalog and enrich it." it's time the country wakes up and see what they are losing.

^^^hey guys calm down..havent you heard the news before that because of the diversed and merged dialects here in davao,it was once suggested to make it the national language..dont stick in the hell of the things only but also the benefits it could bring being hybridized,mixture of tounges..

ayos. alam na alam mo ang Manila ano? anthropologist ka noh?



hay, the bitterness again. kung alam mo lang ang totoong sitwasyon...

magkalaban talaga kau ni bisaya...

kung kabalo lang ka inday, kabao ko sa tinuod na kahimtang kay naglakawlakaw na ko sa bug-os pinas ug nakighiusa sa mga katawhan. gikan sa ilokos paubos dri sa bisayas, ilahos sa mindanao. mao mao gyud ang imo madunggan. ang tinuod nga wala kabalo sa tinuod kahimtang sa atong nasud kay kanang nagpuyo lang sa ila mga nindot na balay ug halos wala na mainiti sa adlaw. kanang mga tawhana na wala na mag-agi sa kalisud sa mga yano na katawhan na naa sa gawas sa manila. sila ang way kalibutan sa tinuod kahimtang. kung pagnegosyo ang hisgotan niagi na gihapon ko anang kalisud sa pagpang-asikaso sa mga kinahanglanon. ang tanan ako gisulti naggikan sa daghang mga gipang-agian nako na problema na resulta na gihapon sa ato systema. sanglit kung naa koy isulti dri na masakitan man ang mga nahitungdan. hinaot unta isipon ni nila na usa ka pahimatngon. kay tingali muabot ang panahon na sila ra gihapon ang mahimong hinungdan sa pagkabuwagbuwag sa atong nasud karon.

@crivnosku hindi naman. online crush ko nga siya eh. kung alam niya lang. hahahaha

ganito kasi yan. naiintindihan ko kung anong pinanggagalingan niya at ng ibang non-Tagalogs dito. pero sa lahat ng bagay, two-way relationship yan. lumalabas kasi aping-api lang sila. hahaha.

parang ang problema lang sa Pilipinas ay kaming mga Tagalos at taga-Maynila. hehehe. eh yung mga kapitalista? yung mga nag-dynamite fishing? lahat ba yun mga Tagalog? yung mga artistang pa-konyo konyo. eh lahat ba yun tubong Manila? Si boy abunda ba ay Tagalog? hahaha.

sa iba kasi, mas madali kung sisisihin na lang ang Manila at mga Tagalog. kasi mas madaling magpaka-bitter.



sige na nga. naintindihan ko sinasabi mo. may punto ka naman eh wag ka lang bitter talaga. jaded na jaded ka dong. okie

you need to read it again. the post was about the tagalog dominated educational system because the one who is at the top are from imperial manila or lives in manila and probably do not care much about the rest of the country.

we are just showing you the real state of our nation. the system that needs change because the present system focused too much on the tagalog's well being neglecting the rest of the citizens. and FYI, when we mention the word tagalog it doesnt always refer to the people, it could be the language, the culture or the system, the centralized system dominated by the tagalogs.

edit: maayo nagkasinabot na diay ta. ana ba para way gubot.

^hindi mo din ata nabasa yung post ko. hahahaha.

ganito lang yan. wag kang masyadong bitter. iniisip mo kasi biktima ka parati, biktima kayong mga hindi tagalog. kahit language o tao o kung ano pa man, wala kang ginawa kundi sisihin ang tagalog dodong.


ganito ka kasi mag-isip.

e.g.

bisaya na lang ang salita sa amin, nawala na yung katutubo naming wika = (eto ang malamang na sagot mo) kasi ang mga tagalog... (chorva eklat, chevers, etc.)

mahirap ang bansa = kasi ang mga tagalog, mga taga-Maynila...

puro na lang si balagtas = kasi ang mga tagalog, mga taga-Maynila...

para bang pag bumagyo = kasi ang mga tagalog, mga taga-Maynila hehehe

puro Manila at Tagalog ang laman ng reklamo mo. matindi ang galit mo manash. stroke ang abot mo niyan. hahaha

Yeah. That will help with national unity and progress, which is what the country needs right now. (Thats is sarcasm, by the way)

This reminds me of that time in China's history when some emperor guy standardized (is that the correct term?) their writing system (among others, such as weights and measurements).........

sayop, ang tubag nako, because of the national language policy and our educational system that are too focused on the tagalogs.



sayop na pud. because of the present system where there is too much centralization and imperial manila controls a big percentage of our wealth. the bureaucracy in manila is dominated by the tagalogs. the head office of the different bureaus and departments are in imperial manila.



murag sakto ka ana. kay taga-manila bitaw ang mga magpublish sa mga libro ug ang mga namuhunan anang mga publishing company dili taga-visayas ug mindanao. ang mga taga central office sa manila ang magpabidding. ang mga nagsuwat sa libro mga taga-luzon ug ang publisher naa sa luzon ug mga taga manila.



kana murag sakto pud ka ana kay pag-adto nako sa manila daghandaghan pud didto ang ako nakatagbo na bagyuhon ka kung makig-istorya na sila.



kay kinsa pa man diay inyo reklamohon? ang pamunuan gud na naa sa manila ang gakupot sa amo kuarta ug katigayunan.

^almost perfect score ka bisaya. puro tagalog at manila ang sagot mo. hehehe. as expected.

ibig mong sabihin mga opisyal lang sa Manila ang nagnanakaw ng pera niyo? amazing ah. wala sa sa ibang rehiyon?

pero for that, promote kita to the next level hehehe. okie. tama na 'to. bye. nyt. love you.

may kawatan gihapon dri sa amo apan kun naa na sa kamot sa amo mga local na gobyerno di na sila kabalibad na "wala pa mi kuarta, wa pa mi tagai sa manila." ug ipasa ang tanan sa presidente. mao mas daghan gihapon mabuhat bisan pa ingnon nato na iya ikurakot ang uban. mas labing lisud dawaton kung ang kuarta namo tua lang diay gikurakot sa dili pa gyud taga-amo.

Of course naman kailangan kung gusto ko to mag superstar sa showbiz i need ko mototo sa anthropology. I check ngadaan nila akon credentials how else ako maka dance sa wowwowee .


Seriously though, according to ethnologue.com (not super reliable) Mandaya has less than 30,000 speakers and thats all of its 3 dialects put together. This is language that will not last 20 years and thats just sad.

So the Visayans are just as "imperialistic" as the Tagalogs after all. And they accuse us Tagalogs of imperialism?

I sometime felt the same way in certain times when there isn't much Viets around me as well.

I think there is already a Manobo-Matigsalug Dictionary, I Remember Racket ng Ermats ko noon binabayaran sya para Magtranslate ng mga tagalog and English Words to our Dialect sa U.P




MAO GAYOD!

here's the difference...

the bisayan never imposed their language on other natives. the lumads chose to speak the language because it was the language spoken by the merchants. it would only be imperialism if we imposed our ways and our will on the lumads. the lumads were speaking bisayan because they were thinking that it would be easy for them to speak bisayan than the bisayan to speak their language. but after the bisayan learned that the lumads were already losing their language. nabalaka pud mi. and wants to preserve it. that is why duterte wants to do something to revive it.

maunay kinanlan nato idesentralays ang gobyerno para dili tanan kuarta na sa manila na sayon ra kawaton. Murag daghan ra kaayog kwarta og puwersa na gikupot sa manila. Maunay grabi kaayo and politika didto, gamay rag opisyal, pero daghan kaayog kwarta ilang giawayan.

RIGHT ON!!!

Following your logic...

The Tagalogs never imposed our language on the Visayans. The Visayans chose to speak Tagalog because it was the language spoken by the merchants. It would only be imperialism if we imposed our ways and our will on the Visayans. The Visayans were speaking Tagalog because they were thinking that it would be easy for them to speak Tagalog than the Tagalog to speak their language.

on the contrary, it was imposed on us by the government in manila. we do not want to study it in school, we find it difficult. in fact, the lowest grade we have would often be in the subject called "filipino" (a.k.a. tagalog). the second thing that was imposed on us was to learn as much balagtasan as possible and speak tagalog the whole week for the linggo ng wika because that was the program set by the head office in manila. just a few years ago, there was even proposal by ultra-nationalist who wanted tagalog to be the language used in exams in U.P. and that includes U.P. in the visayas and mindanao. another was, the proposal that court proceeding would be written and done in tagalog. imagine what incovenience that would be for a non-tagalog citizen. we protested those proposal because we would be placed in a very disadvantageous position. most non-tagalogs may not even know what is meant by "matatas", "sanaysay" and "alituntunin". that's the difference.

^
alam ko na kung bakit ka bitter!!!!!!!!!! amazing!!! dahil mababa ang grade mo sa Filipino.

bisaya, wag kang masyadong madamdamin. gumawa ka na nga lang ng rebolusyon para mapahiwalay na kayo para hindi ka na ngawa ng ngawa pati ba naman UPCAT dinadamay mo. mas marunong ka pa sa involve sa admissions. hehehe

wala koy labot kung mubu kog grado sa "filipino" (tagalog). kay wala man nako gisukod ang ako pagkaFilipino sa kamaayo mo tagalog. garbo nako ang ako pagkaBisaya, ug garbo man pud nako ako pagkaFilipino. naa koy katungod magreklamo sa systema kay di man lang mga taga-manila ug mga tagalog ang mga sakop aning ato nasud. bahala mo kung gusto ninyo i-tagalog inyo mga exams didto pero wala koy nakitang maayong buot anang inyo pagpamugus sa tanan sakop aning nasud na mupailalom sa inyo kultura ug sinultian. bisaya mi pero mga filipino pud mi. sa amo, wala mo makalabaw, tupong lang kitang tanan.

i have the right to complain because i am a taxpayer, my fellow bisayans are also taxpayers, the money that UP is using is taxpayers money. money from the 12%VAT and our income taxes and other fees like permits and licenses including custom tariffs. the people in manila are not the only citizen of our country and the tagalogs do not own the philippines so i see no reason why they should try to forced us to be tagalogs claiming that it is the only way to show the world that we are patriotic. it is the slogan of the ulta-nationalist in manila. "to be tagalog is to be filipino", "to be filipino is to be tagalog".

bitterness? we try not too be bitter and let you do what you want but there is always a limit to people's patience.

oh my god. may sayad ka talaga.

ayos lang na English ang gagamitin sa UPCAT pero ang Tagalog hindi? hahaha. Tingin mo karamihan ng Filipinos mas magaling sa Ingles kaysa sa Tagalog? May survey ka na sumusuporta sa paniniwala mo? you're one of the world's best thinkers ah. pareho na kayo ng level ni Einstein. mabuhay ang America.

magsimula ka na rebolusyon pls. anyway, eto na naman tayo. pinaguusapan ang pagka-bitter mo.

very good, that's how the philippine educational system had taught us. "if you speak english you are not patriotic, you will be pro-america, you are a traitor to the philippines, so, you should use tagalog. very good logic! clap clap clap.. another example of the dumb way of measuring patriotism.

pangutan-a nalang nang mga naa dri na mga bisaya unsa ila mas gusto? tagalog o english? ako mismo nagsurvey ko sa kadugay na nakong naglakawlakaw sa bug-os pinas. wala ko magsugo ug tawo para magsurvey kay ako mismo ang nakighiusa sa mga tao. di man sila kabalo kaayo mag-ingles pero mas kasabot pa gani sila unsay "rules" kaysa sa "alituntunin". karon kung naglisud kag sabot sa ako bisaya hunahunaa nalang pud kong unsa pud nga kalisud ang agian sa mga dili tagalog tungod sa inyo mga pagpamugos sa inyo gusto. walay gusto anang tagalog. usa pa, unsa may kaayohan makuha nimo anang tagalog? the international language of today is english not tagalog. tagalog is very insignificant so why should we choose tagalog and not english? mas labing maayo pa gani kung bisayaon nalang ang exam kay wa gyud mi reklamo ana pero kung papilion mi ug tagalog ug english, sa english nalang mi.

kung rebolusyon lang dugaydugay na ni namo gisugdan. kaning amo rebolusyon, rebolusyon sa pangisip. kinahanglan makakat-on ta maghunahuna dili lang para sa ato kaugalingon kaayohan kung gusto man nato magpabilin na tibuok ang pilipinas apan kung gusto ninyo magbuwagbuwag ni andam man pud mi kay kabalo mi mabuhi mi ug amo lang.

k. ang haba. di ko na binasa.

for the longest time I always tell people in these forums to just do away with tagalog and let english be the sole language of the government I mean everyone has to learn it in school and it is the international language for practically anything (business, science, media).

but there are always people who get pissed off at my idea because they say filipino (tagalog) is the national and english is just the official language. what the hell does that mean???!!!

kabalo man ko nga tuon ang mga istudyante ug english aron makatrabajo sila abroad apan nganong kinahanglan man sila motuon ug pilipino (tagalog)? aron makasabot sila sa mga pilikula, sa mga tv shows? dili gyud importanti nang tagalog.

The Philippines has two official languages; Filipino and English. Let's just do away with the other dialects and make Filipino and English as the only language of instruction, business, government, and everyday life. But if some Filipinos want to learn other native dialect or other foreign language, they'd be free to do so and should be offered as one of the elective classes in school.

Be Filipinos first! Remember if it wasn't for the Tagalogs and the Americans, you'd be kissing your native dialects and customs goodbye and you would be speaking Japanese while being worked to the ground as a slave laborer by the Japanese empire.

I want to point out to you what somebody pointed out to me and that is tagalog is not an official language, I was told it is the the national language, whatever the hell that means.

and can you give me a reason why filipino(tagalog) and english should be the language of instruction for business, and government? why not just english? what makes filipino(tagalog) so important? everyone has to learn tagalog in school but everyone also has to learn english in school too.

why can't english be the language of communication between filipinos of different regions?

you could kill two birds with one stone with english. if everyone in the philippines can speak english then filipinos from different regions can communicate with each other which is the what the purpose of filipino(tagalog) is. with english you can get better job opportunities abroad, filipino(tagalog) can't do that for you.

and what do you mean be filipinos first? what because I say tagalog shouldn't have any official status that automatically makes me a traitor? why because to be tagalog is to be filipino and to be filipino is to be tagalog?

are you also saying that only tagalogs fought against foreign invaders? and what about americans? why do you bring up the americans? when did I badmouth the americans??

i dont agree, it shows us one very important thing that aren't taught in school because our school textbooks are written by tagalogs and people who live in the tagalog region thus they speak too much about themselves, they write things that inflates their egos.

one very important fact of history is the famous LEYTE Landing, the guerillas of leyte fought and died valiantly for the country headed by a man named Ruperto Kangleon.

http://www.geocities.com/ebjustimbaste/gue...guerillas8.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Leyte

http://www.asiatravel.com/philippines/leyte/leyteinfo.html

if it wasnt for the people of leyte, there would have been no Leyte Landing, which paved the way for the liberation forces (the americans) to liberate manila and the tagalog region. when the americans landed in leyte, the warays were already winning the battle. if it wasnt for the valiant warays and bisayans, you'd be kissing your native tagalog language and customs goodbye and you would be speaking Japanese while being worked to the ground as a slave laborer by the Japanese empire.

and our bisayan language are not dialects of tagalog. we have a separate language. unique on its own.

so next time the tagalog wants to boast, let them be reminded of the leyte landing and the Battle of Leyte, one of the most famous in the world. but is not discussed well in our textbooks because it will hurt the tagalog pride. they want to boast that they were the ones who fought against spain that is why they flatter themselves by honoring themselves with the symbol of the eight rays of the sun.

but let you be reminded of this:



so, you see, the visayans have as much capabilities as the tagalogs but the bisayans never boasts too much because we consider it inappropriate to flatter ourselves too much even if in our hearts we have the pride of being bisayan.

in our desire to be filipino first, we choose not to complain when tagalog was declared a "national language" even if we know we are the majority. we didnt complain when we were asked to give huge percentage of our income to the national government for nation building. we didnt even complain when we were forced to learn the ways of the tagalogs, their culture, their language, their literatures, their poetry including wearing their barong tagalog for every formal events. but you see, we are now being treated like second class citizens because the tagalog now thinks that they are masters of our country. they think they have a tight grip on every filipinos and brainwashed them often in our textbooks that "if it wasnt for the taglogs, we would still be barbarians and uncivilized, if it wasnt for the tagalogs we would not be free." sounds familiar?!? yes, it is familiar to us because the spaniards and the americans did the same thing to the "indios". reminding the "indios"/filipinos that if it wasnt for them they'd still be barbarians and uncivilized.

so, you think we must be grateful to these people for giving us culture?!? did they really gave us culture and made us "human"?!?

All right, the Visayans are great warriors too like the Tagalogs.

Here are some more battles the Tagalogs fought in, just so you know.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Bataan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Corregidor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Bataan_%281945%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Corregidor_%281945%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Manila_%281945%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raid_at_Los_Ba%C3%B1os
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raid_at_Cabanatuan


One of the problems the Philippines have is that there's too much regionalism and tribalism going on. Regionalism was instilled in our psyche during the Spanish occupation to divide us, so we'd be easily conquered. I can't believe there are still Filipinos, up to this day for crying out loud, who still harbor the same mentality.

If only the great patriot of Visayan descent, Ramon Magsaysay was alive today.





Here are the reasons why Filipino (based on Tagalog) was chosen to be the national language of The Philippines.

more than half of those you listed are discussed in our textbooks including the death march because anything that happens in the tagalog region and manila are often discussed well in our textbooks. they give it huge space to highlight the patriotism of the tagalogs but for the non-tagalogs who made the very crucial sacrificed in leyte for the liberation of the people of the entire philippines, they gave it only a brief mention of the event and then goes back to speak about manila again or anything in the tagalog region. so, our children are being brainwashed to think the tagalogs are our nation's hero. it is not just regionalism or tribalism that is the core issue. it is the fair treatment of every facts of history without giving too much attention to one group neglecting the rest of the country's inhabitants who made equal if not greater contribution to the freedom and well-being of this country.



on the contrary, it was the spaniards and the americans that united us as one nation. before the coming of the spaniards and the americans, we were separate independent kingdoms ruled by independent datus and rajahs and in sulu the sultan. regionalism was essential for us to preserved our langauge and culture because had we not been regionalistic and tribalistic, our culture and languages would have been gone 50 years after the declaration of tagalog as the national language and we would have disgraced and insulted our ancestors' memory. after all these years of feeding us the taglog culture, literatures, languages and way of life, our nation's children are already beginning to believe that the tagalogs are the heroes of this nation, insulting the memory of many non-tagalog who had done much for this nation's well-being.




http://skirmisher.org/true-history/a-gibbe...language-month/

Kunwari naintindihan ko.

I think this is the problem in urbanized city that was once inhabited by IPs. Same case in Baguio. Once upon a time, it was Ibaloi-dominated but now more than half of the population(3/4, I assume) are not even Igorots(either Ibaloi, Kankanaey).

Kalinga and Ifugao are a different case. They are very isolated from the "Filipino" civilization as in it's very hard to have access to the place. That's why it's easier for them to preserve their indigenous heritage.

Granting that Kalinga is as prosperous as Baguio, it will have the same fate as the city(Baguio) - lowlanders will start to infest and the indigenous culture will rapidly diminish

Kalinga to Tugegarrao pa lang, it takes 7 hours.

Mababa rin grade ko sa Filipino. In fact, it's the only subject where I got a line of 7.