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A Hispanized Philippines:
A Good Option?
© Elizabeth Medina, Santiago, Chile
March 30, 2000
Recently a Filipino friend who lives in the U.S., Rafael Onrubia, asked me why I thought it feasible and positive for the Philippines to be hispanized, and my answer was as follows:
The Philippines has 479 years of written history (from 1521 to the present), and 379 of them have been recorded in Spanish. It is a fact that we have a documentary legacy that is untranslated into English and that therefore we are unable to read - a motherlode that has hardly been mined by our historians. Aside from this, the works of modern Spanish historians, who have researched and published innumerable works on our Hispanic culture and past with such dedication and skill, are accumulating in libraries without the Filipinos' being able to make use of such an invaluable store of new contributions.
It is undeniable and curious that the Spanish wrote much on the Philippines, and I suspect that they wrote more about her than about the majority of their American colonies. This surely is due in part to the fact that the Philippines only became independent 88 years after Spanish America. However there can be no doubt that the Philippines in and of herself was a fascinating geographical and cultural space that captured the imagination, scientific interest and human sensibility of the many scholarly Spaniards who spent long years living among the people.
Speaking as a non-expert and basing myself on what I have been able to gather from the few contacts I've had with Filipino academics and their writings, from my own inquiries and those of independent researchers, it seems to me that the Spanish-language documentation overflows with gems that still wait to be rediscovered by the scholars of Philippine history. Our historians have not paid them much attention, preferring to study the writings of Anglo-Saxon historians and the few works written by Spaniards and translated into English, for a very simple reason - because unless one has profoundly assimilated Hispanic language and culture, it is impossible to penetrate the deep, implicit levels of meaning in the documentation.
We therefore have a double magnification of the problem. Filipino historians and scholars cannot read Spanish documents on one hand; on the other, they study their own history by reading Anglo-Saxons' interpretations of the Spanish documents. Thus they study it from third hand, through the cultural filters of researchers who, though they may possess an operative knowledge of the language, nevertheless have cultural filters that invariably select only those contents that reinforce the particular way of knowing that characterizes their non-Hispanic sensibility and understanding. Therefore, no matter how sincere their interest in penetrating into the profound messages ciphered in the documents, they lack the pitons that they need to scale that cultural glacier. Without pitons and all the specialized equipment that only profound experience and study of the culture that has produced that documentary wealth can give, it is impossible to receive its messages and capture its spirit. This is because, even more important than the external information that they offer, is the inner landscape, adequately grasped and then deployed, that equips a researcher for perceiving all the other information - implicit, invisible, unstated - that underlies the external linguistic content.
The result is that, although data and interpretations of apparently great scientific value are accumulated, the human and spiritual significance of that history remains unapprehended.
And if we assume - as I do - that knowledge must always incorporate a cultural and spiritual component that goes far beyond mere accumulation of neutral data, that concerns itself most of all with giving orientation to human development, then this manner of proceeding ought to be corrected and reoriented, without further loss of time and effort.
Culture, I am convinced, is the gold mine of this new century. It is the last undiscovered continent and the greatest wealth of nations. If a people discovers the way to create in other countries a vivid interest in their culture, and they materialize that fascination in marketable products, they can assure themselves of an inexhaustible source of earnings. Spain has created markets for her music, literature, architecture, fashion; Italy has done the same, particularly through her gastronomy and haute couture; Germany with her engineering know-how, her cars; likewise France, and of course, the U.S., whose products fill our homes to overflowing, even our brains, and everywhere on our planet.
The Philippines necessarily must learn to create external markets for her culture, not just the culture of folklore and tradition, which leads to not much more than a proliferation of objects. Most important, the innate talents of the Filipino people, which are already recognized worldwide, must be developed - in the culinary, plastic and visual arts, music, fashion, inventiveness and - something that today is just beginning to arise - the creation of a new literature that gives witness to the marvelous complexity and richness of our historico-cultural experience. All of these things have their deepest roots, their creatives sources, in the culture of the Hispanic-Filipino past.
This, without mentioning another issue of extreme importance, which is the development of our trade relations with the Spanish-speaking countries of the Pacific Rim.
An Invisible World that Refuses to Die
The 377 years of Filipino hispanization gave birth to a culture and a past that some have tried to annihilate and that is still under siege -- but that refuses to disappear and die.
It is a culture and a past that only become visible when -- like the Little Prince of St. Exupéry -- one learns to see with the heart.
If one doesn't know how to speak Spanish fluidly, one cannot realize what a wealth of Castilian words there are in Tagalog and in so many other Filipino dialects. If one doesn't carry Hispanic culture within oneself, one cannot recognize the Hispanic culture that informs and suffuses Filipino social customs and practices.
If one has no familiarity with the landscapes of Spain and Hispanic America, with their imposing buildings from the Middle Ages and the Colonial Era, one will be unable to recognize the Hispanic past whose faithful witnesses are the old churches, homes and towns of the Archipelago.
The Responsibility of the Cultural Guardians of Filipino Society
The fact that the majority of our years of written history took place during the Spanish colonial period and that they are recorded in the idiom of our Hispanic-Filipino culture necessarily places the guardians of culture and education in a position of heavy responsibility. To erase the past is to erase the future. The greatest cultural problem that we Filipìnos face, in my opinion, is that fact that we do not have the habit of reflecting deeply on cultural and educational issues in the Philippines, because as we have said, we were not clarified about the importance of profound culture. Part of the blame rests without doubt on our old Spanish administrators; another on the North American educational system that was implanted afterwards, which necessarily tried to erase the cultural past in order to impose an Anglo-Saxonized present and future. But another portion of blame rests squarely on those who have governed the country and have allowed the love of the old generations for Hispanic-Filipino language and culture to be abandoned under the new conditions of independence, when they surrendered themselves completely to the new foreign power, to the detriment of their own identity and historical legacy.
Therefore, though our new proposal cannot be an attempt to flip the cultural tortilla from one day to the next, and - just as English was imposed on us - to impose Spanish this time, what is indeed indispensable is the modification of the educational canon so that our historians, sociologists, anthropologists, writers, architects - all of our agents and formers of culture - may recover a full awareness of the past and be given the option of undertaking profound studies, whether in the Philippines, in Spain or in Latin America, in Hispanic-Amerasian history and culture, in the Spanish language.
I am likewise convinced that cultural exhange between Hispanic America and the Philippines cannot but lead to a new synthesis that in turn will produce a blossoming of the best in each one of our countries, thanks to the new climate of brotherhood and unity that it will tend to promote. A synthesis that will help lead our relations with Spain to a new level of maturity and mutual cooperation.
The foregoing does not mean that I advocate the separation of the Philippines from her Asian family, which would be absurd, a new backlash under the sign of the very same purism of those who today advocate our fanatic separation from our Western past. The fact is that we Filipinos are a living link between East and West. We come from both worlds, and both worlds are ours. The naturalistic and deterministic look, first of the Spanish and the North Americans, and now of ourselves in front of ourselves, said that we were Indians or Asians and therefore we had to be what we were and nothing more.
And this is the origin and the root of the continuing absurd debate about whether the Philippines should be hispanized once again, or not. When the Philippines has always been hispanized, except that the "Filipinos" born from 1901 onwards rapidly suffered, first of all, a cultural switch and the suppression of the past, and later, the outright deformation and annihilation of their historical consciousness.
In synthesis, I would say, in answer to the question of "Would it be positive for the Philippines to be hispanized once again?" that the Philippines already is hispanized. All that is lacking is for the Filipinos to realize this truth and make it work for their own benefit, to enrich themselves and progress, instead of impoverishing themselves and regressing.
Because regression - unlike progress - has its limits, and it seems to me that we have already reached those limits.
Comment on the article by Alfredo Chicote, a Spaniard born in the Philippines, residing in Madrid, who considers himself Hispanic-Filipino:
"As you know, I am in complete agreement with your thesis. It is a fact, without the Filipinos' knowing it, that the Philippines is a hispanized country. I believe the article is well written and argued. It is necessary to know Spanish in order to dig into one's own past. We must see things as they are: the Philippines - for good or ill - was born as a country under Spanish dominion and her history -- as W.E. Retana well saw it -- must be read in that language, as well as in English, Tagalog, Bisaya, etc.
To give you an example to illustrate your thesis of the deformation of Philippine history, I cite a passage from a tourist brochure that I've just gotten:
"In the 19th century, Spain's colonies were racked by corrupt administration and internal disorder. Liberal ideologies fired the spirits of enlightened manileños (residents of Manila) like Philippine national hero José Rizal, who studied abroad, and Filipino rebel leader Andrés Bonifacio, who read books on revolutionaries and philosophers........"
"But freedom would not come so easily, for the Filipinos found themselves under their erstwhile ally, the Americans. Under the new conqueror, Manila spread outwards, roads and bridges were built and schools taught Filipinos Western culture in a new language -- English. Democratic processes were introduced; and Neo-Classical government edifices rose around the old city..."
Not one word about the Revolution and the war between the United States and the Philippines, which cost more lives, perhaps, than all the years under Spanish rule! And of course, they also taught the Filipinos Western culture -- as if Spain had not done. But Spain, aside from being Western, is also mestiza [of mixed blood] -- is Jewish, Arab, Roman and Phoenician; in other words, she is as mestiza as her former colonies. Therefore perhaps she has a greater capacity to understand the Philippines than the North Americans.
From another brochure, written at least by a Spaniard, I send you this very brief passage:
"When Magellan landed on the island of Homonhon in 1521, he claimed these islands for King Philip II and called them 'Felipinas'." Well, my dear, I don't know who taught this writer his history -- two huge mistakes in just one short sentence! The king at that time was Carlos I, and the name 'Felipinas' was coined by Ruy López de Villalobos in 1542 for part of Mindanao or Leyte -- we do not know with precision. Only with the passing of time was the name used for the entire archipelago. At that time, in 1521, it was known as the Western Isles or the Spice Islands, the latter because it was believed that spices grew there, as in the Moluccas Islands.
In other words, two vivid examples that illustrate your thesis:
An absolute lack of knowledge about one's own past -- no doubt inherited from an equally ignorant "Thomasite" -- that no one throughout the years has bothered to correct.
An utter disregard for the achievements of the Hispanic period. In the Philippines, before the Americans arrived, there was nothing -- only corruption and disorder. Western civilization and democracy reached the islands with Merritt's soldiers (the Cádiz Constitution never existed). And Manila, far from being the vibrant and beautiful city that the chroniclers describe for us (See Morga), did not have a single building worth mentioning, until the "Neoclassical" government buildings were built (might they be copies of those in Washington, D.C.?).
Worst of all, Elizabeth, is that the people who publish these brochures really believe these things. There are a lot of false beliefs that must be changed! Long live Sr. Gómez and his grain of sand![*]
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why doesnt the philippines just speak spanish alone and ask to be a territory of spain again? 
just because we don't speak spanish and the documents are in spanish doesnt mean everyone needs to learn spanish, u can get them translated ok? halohalo your stupid idiot. i swear.
you want to see the philippines become fully intergrated into spanish culture and language? why to slap the filip[ino revolutionaries in the face? to spit on the graves of all those who fought and died fighting from spanish dominion?
damn... halohalo u keep throwing out these, lets join spain articles, ur pathetic man!
just because we don't speak spanish and the documents are in spanish doesnt mean everyone needs to learn spanish, u can get them translated ok? halohalo your stupid idiot. i swear.you want to see the philippines become fully intergrated into spanish culture and language? why to slap the filip[ino revolutionaries in the face? to spit on the graves of all those who fought and died fighting from spanish dominion?
damn... halohalo u keep throwing out these, lets join spain articles, ur pathetic man!
| QUOTE (dalawapo @ Jun 17 2004, 11:25 PM) |
| why doesnt the philippines just speak spanish alone and ask to be a territory of spain again? just because we don't speak spanish and the documents are in spanish doesnt mean everyone needs to learn spanish, u can get them translated ok? halohalo your stupid idiot. i swear. you want to see the philippines become fully intergrated into spanish culture and language? why to slap the filip[ino revolutionaries in the face? to spit on the graves of all those who fought and died fighting from spanish dominion? damn... halohalo u keep throwing out these, lets join spain articles, ur pathetic man! |
hoy dalawapo who the hell are u to come here and call me a stupid idiot??? Did I say I agreed with the article??? You have no right to insult ppl for showing a different viewpoint from your own, and I was asking what ppl thought of the article and maybe say some facts to back up their argument. I am going to report you dalawapo if you don't apologise over what you said about me. Criticize the article, don't criticize me for posting this up. You do not know anything about the PI, you have never even been there so don't call me an idiot. Who gave you the right to say that about me?? i am more of a Filipino than you ever will be, i was born there and my whole family is from there whereas you are juz half. You are nothing but a hypocrite and I will not stoop to your level by calling you an idiot, I am much better than that. Unlike some ppl.
I MEAN IT, APOLOGISE OR I WILL REPORT YOU!!!
The sad part is that very few Filipinos still speak perfect Spanish!
dalwapo, you come in here preaching, we should all fall under teh banner of hey i'm austronesian we should others blah blah balh...you bastard you calling your fellow filipino an idiot, as you did me...several times, but it don't hurt cuz i know your just a flamehead. you don't even know about our culture really you just read about it and no wyou blabbing. for your info we never disrespect our women, in my native tongue, hinid sila sinasktan silay minamahal. respetuhen mo naman sila, kahit na ba hindi mo sila kilala. hehe hindi niya alam kung ano ang sinasabi ko, yung gago. .
| QUOTE (flipcombatmedic @ Jun 18 2004, 03:17 AM) |
| you don't even know about our culture |
YOU ARE CORRECT! I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT YOUR CULTURE, I AM NOT CHRISTIAN AND I AM NOT HISPANCIZED! I KNOW MUCH ABOUT THE AUSTRONESIAN CULTURE OF THE PHILIPPINES, STILL REVERED BY THE IGOROT AND THE LUMAD AND OTHER INDIGENOUS TRIBES OF THE PHILIPPINES. AND I HAVE EXPERINCED THE AUSTRONESIAN CULTURE BECAUSE IT IS NOT ONLY FOUND IN THE PHILIPPINES.......
YOU HAVE EXPERINCED THE AUSTRONESIAN CULTURE YOURSELF AS WELL FLIP..... HAWAII PRACTICES THE AUSTRONESIAN CULTURE.
GUAM ALSO PRACTICES THE AUSTRONESIAN CULTURE.
| QUOTE (Ek-ek @ Jun 18 2004, 01:26 AM) |
| The sad part is that very few Filipinos still speak perfect Spanish! |
The sad part? You want your country to be a colony, and speak the colonizer's language.?
why do people bring up these topics anyway? topics like these proves Filipinos still have the colonial mentality. i mean, wtf?!! im proud to be a Filipino who has a language separate from its colonizers unlike the Mexicans and Latin American countries. we didnt borrow every word from them.... we assimilated almost all languages that have crossed our history making our Filipino language and not Tagalog only, one of the most flexible language. the Spaniards may have left the most visible mark in Philippine history yet they left it with a scar that would not heal for a long time. the Philippines was an economic liability to Spain for hundreds of years yet she was never set free until a revolution forced her to.
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| why do people bring up these topics anyway? topics like these proves Filipinos still have the colonial mentality |
I am in no way condoning what that woman said, I am juz trying to make ppl aware that this kind of thinking still exists. As far as I'm concerned, no I do not agree with this article but it relates to Philippine culture and heritage therefore do not see anything wrong in posting this article. Btw, try reading the article first b4 making any judgements.
well you were not clear in your intention, for all we know you could of been a supporter of this kind of propoganda and u were another filipino with colonial mentality.
lately, the filipino forums portray how filipinos act towards eacother in the real world.
| QUOTE (Horitaka @ Jun 18 2004, 03:54 PM) |
| lately, the filipino forums portray how filipinos act towards eacother in the real world. |
what do you mean by that?
Do you live around many Filipinos?
| QUOTE (Horitaka @ Jun 18 2004, 04:33 PM) |
| Do you live around many Filipinos? |
yes there is a pretty sizeable filipino community where i live dispite it being a southern small town prodominately white enviornment. we even have a established a filipino community where we have christmas parties and other celebration throughout the year. many filipinas are married to white men, some have interracial kids etc i guess we are different than ur average filipino in traditional household of filipino man and filipino woman or whatever.
i guess the main issue i have with them is that they like to gossip alot.
Aww man you ever heard of the Filipino crab mentality... Filipinos aren't united over here.
| QUOTE (tool666 @ Jun 18 2004, 07:11 AM) | ||
The sad part? You want your country to be a colony, and speak the colonizer's language.? |
shut up you, you racist anti Filipino you. we dont need you here....
| QUOTE (halohalo @ Jun 18 2004, 11:39 PM) | ||
I am in no way condoning what that woman said, I am juz trying to make ppl aware that this kind of thinking still exists. As far as I'm concerned, no I do not agree with this article but it relates to Philippine culture and heritage therefore do not see anything wrong in posting this article. Btw, try reading the article first b4 making any judgements. |
hehe try reading my whole post first and understand it. i wasnt commenting on you but on the topic. you simply quoted 2 sentences which were only a part of the whole idea i was implying. and for the record, i read the article before i posted.. i always do that. notice i don't post in some topics where articles are way too long since i dont have time to read them unlike others who comment directly just by reading the topic title. i do have forum etiquette. it's been part of me since i joined forums(this is the 8th forum im active).
| QUOTE (Horitaka @ Jun 19 2004, 06:44 AM) |
| Aww man you ever heard of the Filipino crab mentality... Filipinos aren't united over here. |
Filipinos are not totally united esp. in the california area. there's that crab mentality thingy.. yep. i may not have experienced that first-hand but people i know do. that's why i prefer visiting filipinos in the east coast like NJ or NY. no offense though to those in the west coast. im not generalising btw.
| QUOTE (Forumwalker @ Jun 19 2004, 12:15 PM) | ||
Filipinos are not totally united esp. in the california area. there's that crab mentality thingy.. yep. i may not have experienced that first-hand but people i know do. that's why i prefer visiting filipinos in the east coast like NJ or NY. no offense though to those in the west coast. im not generalising btw. |
I visited San Diego last summer and I found the Filipinos over there friendly and nice. Same in New Jersey where I used to live 7 years ago. One reason why I wantd to move down the West coast. So was I wrong on my first observation???
When I was younger I lived in a big city(Montreal) before with a big Filipino community, I know this crab mentality is not exclusive only to Filipinos but to other cultures as well although I noticed this trait is very noticeable amongst each other. Im not focusing on the negative aspects but Im staying for the sake of the subject. I didn't know the proper word for it before but I noticed/experienced/heard about it. Back in my early teens I was a bit confused why we're competitive in an unfriendly way and also alot of backbitting each other. Now I moved to a smaller city(Ottawa) but its still somewhat thesame, one of my good Filipina friend experienced alot of backbitting, at first I found it somewhat ridiculous until she validated her claims. Since she was a goodie two shoe girl. Yes, I was surprised, finally I knew what crab mentality is. I kept on bugging my Filipina friend to bring me to Filipino community events and such since she knows the community so I can integrate myself and make Filipino friends like I always wanted to, I did attend a couple of events! Wouhoo! I felt so happy just seeing so many Filipino faces, I felt right at home but my friend eventually stopped and hated attending because of her experience and bad gossip behind her back. Talk about integrating to the community well I had a hard time in doing so, I didn't get all these bad vibes and unfriendliness behind my back, sheesh like what the hell did I do?
I eventually gave up on the idea. I dont know whats their problem. Of course not everyone was like that, the elderly and mature adults were easy going and really nice to me but just the people around my age that wasn't so accommodating for some reason.One thing that annoyed me are these young Filipina women in the community always showing off their 50 years old White husbands and their hapa kids. Im not saying you cannot marry White men since you can and they can do whatever they want but the fact that they show them off like they are valuable "trophies" and dismiss their full blooded kids. Same for their mothers. Talk about modesty but I guess to show your success you have to be blatant about it to be recognized.
My mom married a White man but now divorced and my little brother and sister are hapa. I love my bro and sis alot so dont be thinking Im some hater of a healthy AF/WM relationship, I know she didnt marry an Asiaphile, anyways its over now so it doesn't matter. Its funny though all my mom's Filipino friends are only Filipinas with White husbands with hapa kids.
I have no problems with them but if they start 'crabbing me' I'll unleash hell like a mofo that will make them cry. I have zero tolerance with bad gossip, backbitting, etc...especially from them.I admit, sadly I am very distant from the Filipino community. $hit, I tried my part and it's not my problem anymore. I'll integrate myself somewhere else where I can better conform without getting "crabbed".
I just hope we can ease up and simply eliminate this mentality. Unite and get along together.
okay, I'm tryin 2 figure out what crab mentality is all about coz this is da first time I've ever heard of it. So, crab mentality is 2 b!tch about ur own kind behind their back if you see them as being more successful than you?? Is that it??
regarding to jmac filipino women especially in the philippines have what most people here refer to as colonial mentality. i think it's lame, but i mean people got their own preferences. what's sad is if they treat these whitness tehy have to show off, to me that's wat's messed up, i mean what's they got to show off. does caucasianess weigh more than being filipino. these women are mostly born in pi, i suppose. cuz in the philippines since it's a heavily american/caucasain/western influenced country financially and socially many ,especially a great bunch of people are in poverty, women see in the media in everything that white men are cool, rich, and classy and brilliant. i mean they see them as rich americans, with dollars, and also big beautiful, cuz they have skin blue eyes blonde hair, something that tehy don't see very often. good looking white men flash the plastic western media, showing brad pitts and stuff. since they also come from a wealthier nation they are seen as somebody who is more sophisticated. also they want to get to a better life in America or canada or euro, australia etc away from their "poor" life htat have no hope of change in the pi so they like them and think themselves so happy to be able to snag some. and the old colonial mentality kicking in saying yeah that is cool that is whats better. so yeah it happens alot, but the sad part is sometimes they found out all too late that their mates are often not as they seemingly are. some are all f up dudes, "asianphiles" who are only attracted of their timid personality, and small asian features, and that these dudes only like them for other reasons. my moms coworker got threatened to be reported by her own husband, just cuz she was over him cuz he was a drunk and she only liked him because of his face, not telling her that he was an invalid dude, when she was about to divorce him cuz of some big fight and unrelenting drunkeness.
What was the ethnicity of your mom's co-worker ?
Is She a Filipina or other Asian?
Is She a Filipina or other Asian?
I know all the aspects of colonial mentality, Im just disturb with the growing amount of these people, not just women born in the Philippines but also Filipina that are born here.
I personally dont give a $hit anymore.
I personally dont give a $hit anymore.
aww man, dont leave your community just cuz of these people. come over to hawaii or california or something maybe a change of scenery and see different filipinos and stuff.
fully paid trip? sounds cool to me! 
lol! j/k!
haha what do you expect man, if you experienced it I bet you'd do thesame, Im moving down south as soon Im financially stable...West coast probably... Theres this stupid stereotype that lives in my head now...it disgust me.
lol! j/k!haha what do you expect man, if you experienced it I bet you'd do thesame, Im moving down south as soon Im financially stable...West coast probably... Theres this stupid stereotype that lives in my head now...it disgust me.
no worry man, yull fit there somewhere. just erase all those negativities. you know if i had the money i would help you out, but i'm just a po' flipino bra. haha.
| QUOTE (halohalo @ Jun 20 2004, 10:49 AM) |
| okay, I'm tryin 2 figure out what crab mentality is all about coz this is da first time I've ever heard of it. So, crab mentality is 2 b!tch about ur own kind behind their back if you see them as being more successful than you?? Is that it?? |
can you imagine a basket full of crabs? when a crab tries to climb out of the basket other crabs will pull that crab down. that's what's called crab mentality. other people will bring you down because they're envious of you. they don't want you to succeed.
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hoy dalawapo who the hell are u to come here and call me a stupid idiot??? Did I say I agreed with the article??? You have no right to insult ppl for showing a different viewpoint from your own, and I was asking what ppl thought of the article and maybe say some facts to back up their argument. I am going to report you dalawapo if you don't apologise over what you said about me. Criticize the article, don't criticize me for posting this up. You do not know anything about the PI, you have never even been there so don't call me an idiot. Who gave you the right to say that about me?? i am more of a Filipino than you ever will be, i was born there and my whole family is from there whereas you are juz half. You are nothing but a hypocrite and I will not stoop to your level by calling you an idiot, I am much better than that. Unlike some ppl. |
wow, halohalo, i didn't know that you can be racist!
| QUOTE (halohalo @ Jun 19 2004, 10:49 PM) |
| okay, I'm tryin 2 figure out what crab mentality is all about coz this is da first time I've ever heard of it. So, crab mentality is 2 b!tch about ur own kind behind their back if you see them as being more successful than you?? Is that it?? |
More or so...
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| Crab mentality. This phrase conjures images of unfriendly competition, backbiting, jostling and trampling of each other in a race towards a common goal. |
Its a nasty @$$ $hit! Ugh!
I just hate it when people act like this, sadly I can so tell if Filipinos are doing so...I dont really wanna avoid Filipinos you know...
| QUOTE (redhotchili @ Jun 20 2004, 12:56 AM) | ||||
can you imagine a basket full of crabs? when a crab tries to climb out of the basket other crabs will pull that crab down. that's what's called crab mentality. other people will bring you down because they're envious of you. they don't want you to succeed. EDIT:
wow, halohalo, i didn't know that you can be racist! |
I'm not being racist, but I was offended when that guy called me an idiot. there's a difference. He had no right to call me that as if he thought he was better than me. I wasn' tryin 2 offend any1, juz posting up an article, try reading my other posts b4 callin me a racist.
i guess it;s noones fault because all people get to be angry it's human nature yeah. let's just put these behind, because theres no right answer for peopl's opinion you know what i mean.
| QUOTE (halohalo @ Jun 20 2004, 02:21 PM) | ||||||
I'm not being racist, but I was offended when that guy called me an idiot. there's a difference. He had no right to call me that as if he thought he was better than me. I wasn' tryin 2 offend any1, juz posting up an article, try reading my other posts b4 callin me a racist. |
no, no, no... i wasn't referring to your post. what i'm referring to is this:
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| i am more of a Filipino than you ever will be, i was born there and my whole family is from there whereas you are juz half. |
regardless of who you said this to, it seems to me that you have a bias towards people who are "juz" half filipinos. there are filipinos here in AF that are not 100% filipino. one is a fil-chi. now, is she less of a filipino than you are?
ok, let me tell you about these two different people. the first one is a girl of my age. her name is naomie. she was a classmate and she loves anything and everything american--->movies, clothes, food, etc. she's been to the states many times (she was raised there but she wasn't born there. she spent her highschool and college years in manila) and during our filipino class she pretends not to know the language so the teacher will excuse her during oral recitation (this is true). after she finished school she went to america to work.
the second goes by the name of Fr. neil o'brien. he's an irish priest who lived in a philippine province (gosh, i forgot the name
) for 10 years (he was living in the philippines for 40 years) and spoke its language like a native. he died just recently because of some illness (he went to italy for medication). one of his last wishes is for his remains to be brought back to the philippines to be buried here. (this story was published in the philippine daily inquirer on june 19, saturday). now what is my point? here are two people. one is a pure filipino while the other is not but despite this, i still consider the priest as being "more filipino" than my classmate. the thing is, blood may not be enough for one to be considered filipino.
| QUOTE (redhotchili @ Jun 20 2004, 02:01 AM) | ||||||||||
no, no, no... i wasn't referring to your post. what i'm referring to is this:
regardless of who you said this to, it seems to me that you have a bias towards people who are "juz" half filipinos. there are filipinos here in AF that are not 100% filipino. one is a fil-chi. now, is she less of a filipino than you are? ok, let me tell you about these two different people. the first one is a girl of my age. her name is naomie. she was a classmate and she loves anything and everything american--->movies, clothes, food, etc. she's been to the states many times (she was raised there but she wasn't born there. she spent her highschool and college years in manila) and during our filipino class she pretends not to know the language so the teacher will excuse her during oral recitation (this is true). after she finished school she went to america to work. the second goes by the name of Fr. neil o'brien. he's an irish priest who lived in a philippine province (gosh, i forgot the name ) for 10 years (he was living in the philippines for 40 years) and spoke its language like a native. he died just recently because of some illness (he went to italy for medication). one of his last wishes is for his remains to be brought back to the philippines to be buried here. (this story was published in the philippine daily inquirer on june 19, saturday). now what is my point? here are two people. one is a pure filipino while the other is not but despite this, i still consider the priest as being "more filipino" than my classmate. the thing is, blood may not be enough for one to be considered filipino. |
ok, im sory, i didnt mean it 2 come out that way. i juz sed it to shut u know who up. anyways, seriously, i dont mind wether a person is half, pure or even if deyr not filo by blood. As long as dey consider demselves filo den i consider dem as filo too.
good thing you cleared that up. no worries, it's all good now
| QUOTE (halohalo @ Jun 20 2004, 02:05 AM) |
| ok, im sory, i didnt mean it 2 come out that way. i juz sed it to shut u know who up. anyways, seriously, i dont mind wether a person is half, pure or even if deyr not filo by blood. As long as dey consider demselves filo den i consider dem as filo too. |
whatever, your words were clear as daylight, it is written and documented i can reference it anytime, so do not try to construe such ashameful words as though you did not mean it that way or the words were mistranslated while you were writing... if you did not mean it, then you would not have written it while you were in your heated debate. your true feelings and emotions and your character shows in these instances and are revealed to me.
and yes, i guess you consider somone filo as long as they are your type of filo that follows christian faith and spanish culture, everyone else is screw them right? you and flip are the same type of ppl, you discriminate your own filipino brother by saying you are not filipino because your half, or you are not filipino because you don't live in the philippines, or you are not filipino because you cant speak tagalog, etc....... you are more filipino than me, etc. how shameful can you get, your audacity to speak to someone who is from your same "family" i on the otherhand undrstand a concept of a family, and understand it is not dictated by how far you are or how verbal etc, its what is in your heart and your blood. i believe i am more stronger in my heart for the native culture than you are as i am proud and not ashamed to voice its heritage throughout these forums despite negative critisism and disinterest on my fellow filipino's part in these forum, but i am not going to stoop to your level now and proclaim myself more filipino than you or say i am a truer filipino than you because i revere what is the essence & foundation of filipino culture which is rememberd by few and misunderstood and being altered by many because a strong sense of family and extended family is the basis of your native austronesian culture, if you had any reverence to it, then you would never said such words to me!
| QUOTE (dalawapo @ Jun 20 2004, 03:15 AM) | ||
whatever, your words were clear as daylight, it is written and documented i can reference it anytime, so do not try to construe such ashameful words as though you did not mean it that way or the words were mistranslated while you were writing... if you did not mean it, then you would not have written it while you were in your heated debate. your true feelings and emotions and your character shows in these instances and are revealed to me. and yes, i guess you consider somone filo as long as they are your type of filo that follows christian faith and spanish culture, everyone else is screw them right? you and flip are the same type of ppl, you discriminate your own filipino brother by saying you are not filipino because your half, or you are not filipino because you don't live in the philippines, or you are not filipino because you cant speak tagalog, etc....... you are more filipino than me, etc. how shameful can you get, your audacity to speak to someone who is from your same "family" i on the otherhand undrstand a concept of a family, and understand it is not dictated by how far you are or how verbal etc, its what is in your heart and your blood. i believe i am more stronger in my heart for the native culture than you are as i am proud and not ashamed to voice its heritage throughout these forums despite negative critisism and disinterest on my fellow filipino's part in these forum, but i am not going to stoop to your level now and proclaim myself more filipino than you or say i am a truer filipino than you because i revere what is the essence & foundation of filipino culture which is rememberd by few and misunderstood and being altered by many because a strong sense of family and extended family is the basis of your native austronesian culture, if you had any reverence to it, then you would never said such words to me! |
dalawapo plz stop it. i don't wish to fight u or any1 else here. i came here 2 learn more and discuss more about da phils and its culture. i don't care wether ur black white brown green or god knows wat else, if u consider urself as filo den so be it. u r filo. and i do consider u as filo, but u juz annoyed me. i say things dat i don't mean, juz like every1 else. i apologised already so quit bringing it up.
just let it die. man, she made a mistake then dang let her go, that's how i know my culture is we try to be less an @$$ to people. let us get one lil happy fam in this forum, because seriously if you know how flip community tend to be we are really friendly and warm and hospitable. in fact i surprise my white friends who i bring to gathering and church meetings, they are surprise how we are. no offense but teh more you say things here the more yo seem very what we call here haole, in fact one fo my friends came over earlier and read some of these post and yu know what she said, she said you sound like a very anal f....ed up haole, she was shocked u wasn't white.
| QUOTE (flipcombatmedic @ Jun 20 2004, 03:23 AM) |
| just let it die. man, she made a mistake then dang let her go, that's how i know my culture is we try to be less an @$$ to people. let us get one lil happy fam in this forum, because seriously if you know how flip community tend to be we are really friendly and warm and hospitable. in fact i surprise my white friends who i bring to gathering and church meetings, they are surprise how we are. no offense but teh more you say things here the more yo seem very what we call here haole, in fact one fo my friends came over earlier and read some of these post and yu know what she said, she said you sound like a very anal f....ed up haole, she was shocked u wasn't white. |
yes you are precieving me as a white person, because i am for the betterment and preservation of "OUR" (yours and my) native austronesian culture which is being debauch by your full and unconditional reverence to all mighty spanish culture with no questions asked....
look how you say MY CULTURE again, thanks for feeding my fire. and trying to Flip flop the situation to me being a a white guy??! wtf
through my eyes, u are more of a white man, with your brainwashed menality to think your white founded culture is the only way and more "Filipinoooo" than me who revere a native "outdated" culture, i should be damned to purgatory or whatever for trying to preserve OUR* NATIVE CULTURE.
yeah i guess you see me as a whitemen, but that' only through your eyes, everybody see you as that. and serioiusly your what everybody says an asscrack, i'm just saying the truth. and seriously i am from teh pi and grew up in hawaii, and you in the middle of white america, and you tell me i'm white. you funny. but i suggest that yo stop cuz the more you get aggresive i think the more of kababyan are getting mad. and about my culture, like i said you are so hateful thati think that you could never be a malayan. prove me and everybody else here that you cold at least be par tof this forum. i don't want to dog you but you just ask for it.
stop using hateful words, that is not part of the malayan culture. it;s very disrespectful. that's is why most people here don't even post here anymore and snub you al the time, your so vulgar and hateful and derogatory.
stop using hateful words, that is not part of the malayan culture. it;s very disrespectful. that's is why most people here don't even post here anymore and snub you al the time, your so vulgar and hateful and derogatory.
please this is like somoene saying stop being descrimniatory but then you turn around and say im not ffilipino/pi because i live in tennesee? oh yeah i guess if there are filipino overseas workers in saudi arabia they are not filipino either rright? a very huge portion of income filipinos in the philippines get is from overseas filipinos, ok, so for u to say something so stupid like that is to imply that filipinos in the philippines are being some lazy pretentioous people just loungeing around and throwing about this im true pi because im living in the philippines more than you overseas "flips" but you continue to feed me the money u slaving across the water...... u stupid flip. maybe overseas filipinos need to cut off the funding and see how egotistical u are when u starving yaeh?
you are so discriminatory its not even funnie, and im the bad guy? look how u continue to descirminate me, a filipino and always try to point out that i am not a filipino because of my freakin location...
thats why im talkin this way to you flip. don't try to twist it around like im a bad guy... your the one kid.
you are so discriminatory its not even funnie, and im the bad guy? look how u continue to descirminate me, a filipino and always try to point out that i am not a filipino because of my freakin location...
thats why im talkin this way to you flip. don't try to twist it around like im a bad guy... your the one kid.
let's stop this it's just this is really tiring and we don't get anywhere. but mad people and people leaving this site. we can't you just post your opinion and just watch out for people's emtions, and just be respectful of word usage. i don't want to say anymore, cuz we go in circles. i wil do the same. if i say some hurtufl things about you but it's just what you provoke. if i provoke you sorry, let's just be more mature in the future. this site is so small for people to throw harsh words, and it sad cuz everyone here is filipino, most of us get along here but it seems like things just keep on coming up and this filipino forum is getting filled with negativity. let's just keep on our business.
| QUOTE (flipcombatmedic @ Jun 20 2004, 04:43 AM) |
| let's stop this it's just this is really tiring and we don't get anywhere. but mad people and people leaving this site. we can't you just post your opinion and just watch out for people's emtions, and just be respectful of word usage. i don't want to say anymore, cuz we go in circles. i wil do the same. if i say some hurtufl things about you but it's just what you provoke. if i provoke you sorry, let's just be more mature in the future. this site is so small for people to throw harsh words, and it sad cuz everyone here is filipino, most of us get along here but it seems like things just keep on coming up and this filipino forum is getting filled with negativity. let's just keep on our business. |
FIRST OF ALL IF YOU WANT THIS TO END, THEN ADMIT YOU DISCRIMINATED AGAINST ME, SUPPOSED TO BE FILIPINO COMRADAERY BY SAYING THINGS THAT IMPLY I AM NOT FILIPINO SUCH AS DOGGING ME FOR NOT SPEAKING TAGALOG, DOGGING ME FOR LIVING IN TENNESEEE, DOGGING ME FOR NOT LIVING IN THE PHILIPPINES, DOGGING ME FOR NOT BEING CHRISTIAN, DOGGING ME FOR NOT REVERING SPANISH CULTURE, ETC...... THAT IS MY PROBLEM, ADMIT YOU ARE DESCRIMINATING.
SECONDLY, YOU ONLY BEEN HERE A WEEK OK, U DONT KNOW WHAT HOW THINGS FLOW IN AF, OK, SO U NEED TO KNOW YOUR PLACE INSTEAD OF ACTING LIKE YOU KNOW EVERYTHING IS ALL PERFECT ON THESE FORUMS....
YOU JOINED A WEEK AGO, STUPID. NOT A YEAR AGO, SO WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT HOW THINGS ARE?
okay once again to be make this forum okay, ill be the better filipino and say yes you win i said bad things i said all these bad stuff. i just dont got time for really emotional stuff i want to have fun in this site.
yououeen here 1 week flip..... your not the better man, your a *bleepin* noob who talk all kinda sh-et to me trying to descriminate a filipino and try to bring him down about some idiotic and stupid bs that i am not filipino because of my location on the planet etc. your a low individual, ur not a better man. your not even a man bcuz u cant even face up to what you did. FLIP
| QUOTE (redhotchili @ Jun 20 2004, 03:01 PM) |
| regardless of who you said this to, it seems to me that you have a bias towards people who are "juz" half filipinos. there are filipinos here in AF that are not 100% filipino. one is a fil-chi. now, is she less of a filipino than you are? ok, let me tell you about these two different people. the first one is a girl of my age. her name is naomie. she was a classmate and she loves anything and everything american--->movies, clothes, food, etc. she's been to the states many times (she was raised there but she wasn't born there. she spent her highschool and college years in manila) and during our filipino class she pretends not to know the language so the teacher will excuse her during oral recitation (this is true). after she finished school she went to america to work. the second goes by the name of Fr. neil o'brien. he's an irish priest who lived in a philippine province (gosh, i forgot the name ) for 10 years (he was living in the philippines for 40 years) and spoke its language like a native. he died just recently because of some illness (he went to italy for medication). one of his last wishes is for his remains to be brought back to the philippines to be buried here. (this story was published in the philippine daily inquirer on june 19, saturday). now what is my point? here are two people. one is a pure filipino while the other is not but despite this, i still consider the priest as being "more filipino" than my classmate. the thing is, blood may not be enough for one to be considered filipino. |
| QUOTE (dalawapo @ Jun 20 2004, 06:17 PM) |
| yououeen here 1 week flip..... your not the better man, your a *bleepin* noob who talk all kinda sh-et to me trying to descriminate a filipino and try to bring him down about some idiotic and stupid bs that i am not filipino because of my location on the planet etc. your a low individual, ur not a better man. your not even a man bcuz u cant even face up to what you did. FLIP |
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