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Erdene
I am sure Mongolians have all heard of Almas this and that......btw its means 'Yeti'. I for one, certainly believe in it. I have heard countless stories of Almas.

So anyone believe that he may exist???

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Airagyy
Hey, I found "almas" in wikipedia.



The Almas, Mongolian for 'wild man', is a cryptozoological species of presumed hominid reputed to inhabit the Caucasus and Pamir Mountains of central Asia, and the Altai Mountains of southern Mongolia. Most mainstream scientists consider the Almas to be a purely legendary creature.

Description
Almas is a singular word in Mongolian. As is typical of the unknown hominids throughout central Asia, Russia, and the Caucasus, Almas are generally considered to be more akin to "wild people" in appearance and habits than to apes (in contrast to the Yeti of the Himalayas).

Almas are typically described as human-like bipedal animals, between five and six and a half feet tall, their bodies covered with reddish-brown hair, with anthropomorphic facial features including a pronounced brow-ridge, flat nose, and a weak chin. They are usually described as unclothed, but a handful of sightings refer to primitive clothing. Many cryptozoologist researchers have been struck by the similarity between these descriptions and modern reconstructions of how Neanderthals might have appeared.

Evidence
There is evidence that Almas may be something other than legendary creatures, mainly via eyewitness accounts, footprint finds, and long-standing native traditions, which have been anthropologically, ethnographically, and cryptozoologically collected. Source: The Field Guide to Bigfoot and Other Mystery Primates by Loren Coleman and Patrick Huyghe (NY: HarperCollins, 1999, ISBN 1-933665-12-2).


Folk tales
Almas appear in the legend of local people, who tell stories of sightings and human-Almas interactions dating back several hundred years. Some of these accounts describe primitive communication between Almas and humans via the use of hand gestures and exchange of goods. [citation needed]

Drawings of Almas also appear in a Tibetan medicinal book. British anthropologist Myra Shackley noted that "The book contains thousands of illustrations of various classes of animals (reptiles, mammals and amphibia), but not one single mythological animal such as are known from similar medieval European books. All the creatures are living and observable today."


Famous sightings
Sightings recorded in writing go back as far back as the 15th century.

In 1430, Hans Schildtberger recorded his personal observation of these creatures in the journal of his trip to Mongolia as a prisoner of the Mongol Khan. Schildtberger also recorded one of the first European sightings of Przewalski horses. (Manuscript in the Munich Municipal Library, Sign. 1603, Bl. 210).

Nikolai Przhevalsky observed the animals in Mongolia in 1871 (Shackley, 94). He noted that Almas are part of the Mongolian and Tibetan apothecary's materia medica, along with thousands of other animals and plants that still live today.

British anthropologist Myra Shackley in Still Living? describes Ivan Ivlov's 1963 observation of a whole family of Almas. Ivlov, a pediatrician, decided to interview some of the Mongolian children who were his patients, and discovered that many of them had also seen Almas. It seems that neither the Mongol children nor the young Almas were afraid of each other. Ivlov's driver also claimed to have seen them.


Captives
A wildwoman named Zana is said to have lived in the isolated mountain village of T'khina fifty miles from Sukhumi in Abkhazia in the Caucasus; some have speculated she may have been an Almas, but hard evidence is lacking.

Captured in the mountains in 1850, she was at first violent towards her captors but soon became domesticated and, indeed, was able to assist with simple household chores. Zana is said to have had sexual relations with a man of the village named Edgi Genaba, and gave birth to a number of children of apparently normal human appearance. Several of these children, however, died in infancy. Some commentators have attributed these early deaths to Zana's genetic incompatibility (as an Almas) with humans.

The father, meanwhile, gave away four of the surviving children to local families. The two boys, Dzhanda and Khwit Sabekia (born 1878 and 1884), and the two girls, Kodzhanar and Gamasa Sabekia (born 1880 and 1882), were assimilated into normal society, married, and had families of their own. confused.gif Zana herself died in 1890. The skull of Khwit (also spelled Kvit) is still extant, and was examined by Dr. Grover Krantz in the early 1990s. He pronounced it to be entirely modern, with no Neandertal features at all. If Krantz's verdict on the skull is correct, and the skull itself is indeed that of Zana's son, it would indicate that Zana may have been a member of an isolated hunter gatherer tribe so culturally different from her captors' society as to make Zana seem non-human to them, even though she was indeed a modern human. How this may relate to the true identity of other reported Almases is unknown.

Another case is said to date from around 1941, shortly after the German invasion of the USSR. A "wild man" was captured somewhere in the Caucasus by a detachment of the Red Army. He appeared human, but was covered in fine, dark hair. Interrogation revealed his apparent inability (or unwillingness) to speak, and the unfortunate creature is said to have been shot as a German spy. There are various versions of this legend in the cryptozoological literature, and, as with other Almas reports, hard proof is absent.


Explanations
Myra Shackley and Bernard Heuvelmans have speculated that the Almas are a relict population of Neanderthals, while Loren Coleman suggests surviving specimens of Homo erectus.[1] Others insist they are related to the Yeti of the Himalayas, being closer to apes than to humans. The locals, for their part, often see no appreciable difference between Almas and humans, regarding them simply as "wild men" who remain untouched by civilization.[citation needed] Another explanation is that human-like cryptids are humans with congenital disorders and/or mental retardation and ejected from society.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almas_(cryptozoology)


I have heard many stories about almas. So I beilieve it. I believe that somewhere in Mongolia deep in wild forest lives these almas.
Erdene
Nice thanks......I'm thinking of shooting one and becoming rich.....icon_smile.gif
Airagyy
QUOTE(Erdene @ Dec 7 2006, 07:41 PM) *

Nice thanks......I'm thinking of shooting one and becoming rich.....icon_smile.gif


How about catching alive. Then you'll make much more money.
bigmonkey2382
Or letting them go free? No need to bother something.
mongoljin
QUOTE(Erdene @ Dec 8 2006, 01:41 AM) *

Nice thanks......I'm thinking of shooting one and becoming rich.....icon_smile.gif

Call me, after you got one hehe. I heard so many stories too but I'm kinda 60% believer. Big, fury, black human like animal lives in caves of high high mountains and they still children, ooo. That's how my sister get me do things when I was kid.

How about ghost, do you believe in them? I don't but still..
tujue
QUOTE(bigmonkey2382 @ Dec 8 2006, 03:16 AM) *

Or letting them go free? No need to bother something.

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Erdene
I like to go altai mountains... Mongoljin what is your speciality going to be in this expedition???? if I take you with my team.

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A friend of mine went with his friends into the woods for few days........like this but we will go to the Altai mountains beerchug.gif

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mongoljin
Thanks for your offer, Erdene. I'd love to, my specialist could be (I have many, just one of them) "a story teller". In the evening, when everybody sitting around fire, according to the mood, I can tell you funny, scary, romantic stories. How about that?
By the way is it you, on your aviater. Hmm, very nice! (I ment very handsome when I said not bad, how silly is that. sorry..)
Erdene
Yeah ok Mongoljin...but no scary ones though icon_confused.gif
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Also Almasty and Albasty. Strange apelike creatures allegedly resembling Neanderthal man that reportedly live in the Caucasus Mountains, in the republic of Kazakhstan, central Asia.

In the Caucasus, Almas (which in the Mongolian language means 'wildman') are well known by the local people, who tell numerous stories of an apparent familiarity between humans and these creatures. Eyewitness accounts dating back hundreds of years describe Almas communicating with humans by means of gestures. There were even stories of Almas bartering food for trinkets.

Adult Almases have been described as being at least 5 ft tall, shy, hairy, with prominent eyebrow ridges, a receding chin and a jaw that protrudes out.

Other names by which these creatures are known, depending on the particular region, are 'Wind-Man', Abnuaaya, Bekk-Bok, Biabin-Guli, Gul-Biavan, Guli-Avan, Golub-Yavan, Kaptar, Kra-Dhan, Ksy-Giik or Ksy Gyik, Mirygdy, Mulen and Voita.

Almas Timeline:

1420 - The first known printed reference on the Almas was made by a Bavarian named Hans Schiltberger. He traveled through the Tien Shan mountains as a captive to the Mongols. During his imprisonment he kept a journal in which he wrote:

"In the mountains themselves live a wild people, who have nothing in common with other human beings, a pelt covers the entire body of these creatures. Only the hands and face are free of hair. They run around in the hills like animals and eat foliage and grass and whatever else they can find. The Lord of the Territory made Egidi a present of a couple of forest people, a man and a woman, together with three untamed horses the sizes of asses and all sorts of other animals which are not found in German lands and which I cannot therefore put a name to."

1807-1867 - Sightings reported at Khalkha, the Galbin Gobi and Dzakh Soudjin Gobi as well as in Inner Mongolia; also at the Gourban Bogdin Gobi, Chardzyn Gobi and the Alachan desert.

Mid 1800s - A wild reddish-black hair covered woman with both mongoloid and negroid features, dark skin, broad body, large hands and feet and a sloped forehead, was allegedly captured in the western Caucausus region of Abkhazia, and given the name Zana or Zanya. According to accounts, she was very physically powerful, able to perform feats of exceptional strength. While in captivity, Zana was passed on through a succession of owners, including noblemen, and mothered several children (she was reputed to have a fondness for wine, which supposedly played a role in her pregnancies). According to the story, she had as many as 6 offspring, by different men. Of these, the first 2 perished, due to Zana washing them in cold water after birth. The other 4 survived with the help of the local village women, who took care of the children. They were fairly normal, except for being dark and physically powerful, and grew up accepted among the villagers. Each of these children reproduced and allegedly had descendants throughout the region, up to nowadays. Zana died sometime in the 1880s.

1881 - As almost to confirm Hans Schiltberger's journal, a Russian named Nicholai Przewalski rediscovered the horses the sizes of asses and called them, of course, the "Przewalski horses"; he also reported seeing 'wildmen' in Mongolia in 1871.

1906 - Badzare Baradyine, while on a caravan at the desert of Alachan, reports seeing an "hairy man standing on the top of a sand dune, outlined against the sunset." After being approached by the Imperial Russian Geographical Society's president and asked not to publish the incident, Badzare complies, but relays the information about his sighting to a personal friend, Mongolian professor Tsyben Zhamtsarano, who in turn begins a lengthy and determined investigation of the Almas.

1907-1940 - Professor Tsyben Zhamtsarano compiles eyewitness' acounts and recruits an artist to draw the likeness of the Almas based on the gathered descriptions. He also plots sightings locations and dates on a map of the region. After being imprisoned in Russia for a number of years, the professor dies in 1940. His files vanish, and are rumored confiscated by the authorities.

1937 - Dordji Meiren, an associate of Professor Zhamtsarano, reports seeing a carpet made out of a hide of an Almas, being used by lamas at their monastery in ritual ceremonies.

1941 - A Russian unit fighting the Germans in the Caucasus near Buinakst is asked by some partisans to look at an unusual prisoner. According to the unit's commander, Lt. Col. Vargen Karapetyan, the captive 'man' was naked, hairy, and covered with lice; he obviously didn't understand speech and appeared to be dim-witted, blinking often; he was evidently afraid, but made no attempt to defend himself when Karapetyan pulled hairs from his body. He was kept in a barn, because, as the partisans explained, in a heated room he stank and dripped sweat. Not wanting to get involved, Karapetyan told the partisans to do what they wanted with the prisoner. A few days later he heard that the prisoner had escaped, but according to a later report made by the Ministry of the Interior in Daghestan, the 'wild man' had been executed as a deserter after being court-martialed.

1963 - Ivan Ivlov, a Russian pediatrician, sees a family of manlike creatures consisting of a male, female and a small child, standing on a mountain slope. Ivlov observed the creatures through field glasses for some time before they vanished behind a jutting rock. Ivlov's Mongol driver also sees the creatures and assures him they are common in the area.

1964 - Russian historian Boris Porshnev visits the place where Zana had reportedly lived. Several centenarians (Caucasus people are noted for their longevity) claimed to have known her and to have attended her funeral. Dr Porshnev also meets a couple of the alleged descendants (her grandchildren) of the wild woman, and wrote of the episode:

"From the moment I saw Zana's grandchildren, I was impressed by their dark skin and negroid looks. Shalikula, the grandson, has unusually powerful jaw muscles, and he can pick up a chair, with a man sitting on it, with his teeth."

During the next few years, Porshnev and a colleague tried to find Zana's remains in the Genaba (the family name of her descendants) graveyard, and although they found the vaguely Neanderthaloid bones of what they speculated was one of her children, they never discovered the remnants of the Almas herself.

1972 - An unnamed Russian doctor met a family of Almas, according to British anthropologist Myra Shackley, who adds that their "very simple lifestyle and the nature of their appearance suggests strongly that Almases might represent the survival of a prehistoric way of life, and perhaps even of an earlier form of man. The best candidate is undoubtedly Neanderthal man."

1985 - Maya Bykova, an assistant to Dr Boris Porshnev (yes, the same one from 1964) at Moscow's Darwin Museum, is reported to have actually observed a hominoid of unknown identity, a creature nicknamed by the ethnic Mnasi people as Mecheny, or "marked," because of the the whitish skin patch seen on its left forearm, the only part of its body not covered by red-brown hair.



Link: http://www.crystalinks.com/bigfoot.html
Almas
are u guys talkin about me ?
Erdene
Are you hairy and live in the Altai mountians????
danoc
well. i know that kazakhstan did search for those guys inner north-tianchan and south-altai mountans. but what they did catched was just one big kriminal with old kalaschnikow and some wolf and sheep coats.
feiying
They do exist.

In China, they have red hair and live in the mountains. We call them "yeh yan" (wild people). They scream like birds.

In Tibet/Bhutan, they also exist and is called "Yeti." In fact a piece of the head was pulled out after a Tibetan got into a fight with one many years ago. I think they still have this scalp in some Buddhist Lama monastery.
Mgl_Style
i call my friend almas : )
i think almas still exists i mean like Mountain Altai......its mysterious!
Baldansambuu
Anda -This name means Cool Almas from Altai
Alkanaft
I had a Kazakh mate called Almas. He was supposed to have been named after his hometown, which was Almas, Kazakhstan. He did in fact act like a real "almas" after a few glasses of bitter. I'm sure he would've loved to pose as an "almas" for the rest of his life provided someone was able to give him all the alcohol he needed until his death.
danoc
QUOTE(Alkanaft @ Feb 27 2007, 04:32 AM) *

I had a Kazakh mate called Almas. He was supposed to have been named after his hometown, which was Almas, Kazakhstan. He did in fact act like a real "almas" after a few glasses of bitter. I'm sure he would've loved to pose as an "almas" for the rest of his life provided someone was able to give him all the alcohol he needed until his death.


i am sure he was named not after his hometown.

this town was named after almas (Алмаз).

his parents called him after diamond. (strong, clear and unadulterated)

Алмаз is russian and kazahkstanian a name for diamond.

this have nothing to do with this Yethy story.

almas is very unusual name for yethy in those areas.
Alkanaft
QUOTE(danoc @ Feb 28 2007, 03:59 AM) *

Алмаз is russian and kazahkstanian a name for diamond.


I know what алмаз means in Russian - it's the same thing in Mongolian. I'm talking about алмас or almas (not almaz). Anyway, are you a Kazakh?
danoc
QUOTE(Alkanaft @ Feb 27 2007, 03:34 PM) *

I know what алмаз means in Russian - it's the same thing in Mongolian. I'm talking about алмас or almas (not almaz). Anyway, are you a Kazakh?


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Anda
ALMAZ - diamond
ALMAS- that thing
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KAZAK- free people who run for Russia
KAZAKH- people who are looking for their dientity

Why do they play like that? I feel really bad about this
QUOTE(Erdene @ Dec 8 2006, 10:38 AM) *

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luidspreker
This one is serious.

I believe my ancestors are Almas.
- Bigfoots
My foots are not only big but they also wide, high and with larger heels.
All my shoes are with strike-ropes. I always make a hole on the back of my sport shoes
so the knots gets more space.
- Heavily boned.
Not only in Turkey but also in Holland sometimes I compare my knee-patella with others for joke.
The difference is big. I have also, from my child ages, compared to other people wide chest.
- I am 1.84 tall and come from Turkey, this is tall for a turkish norms, and my origins 600 years back goes to nearby Aral lake district.

If there any DNA search for this Almas species, then I might be the one who mixed with humans.
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